[cfaussie] Date format
Hi all, I am using ColdFusion to drag some data kicking and screaming out of a very strange MS-based database. The date of birth field has values such as 716640 and 712672. After a bit of mucking about I discovered that I can place this value in an excel cell and change the format to date to give a value that seems to makes sense. (The two values above yield 02.02.62 and 24.3.51 respectively). Does anyone know what is going on here - and more importantly what can I do in CF to 716640 to make it a date that I can use as a normal date. Cheers, Tom -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
Ok, It will be a julian date of some format, which is normally a number or seconds or minutes past a certain point in time, based on the small number, minutes. The standard Java Time is seconds or milliseconds past 1 Jan 1970. I tried this with yours but it didn't work, you need to know the base, so play with this. cfset me = createDate(1970, 1, 1) / cfset me = dateAdd(s, 71664, me) / cfoutput#me#/cfoutput And you can probably work out the base, assuming you are confident Excel converted it correctly. If you still have access to the old system try adding a record and see what the number comes out as, then try to adjust such that the number gets closer to 0, which will be the base. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom MacKean Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2007 5:18 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Date format Hi all, I am using ColdFusion to drag some data kicking and screaming out of a very strange MS-based database. The date of birth field has values such as 716640 and 712672. After a bit of mucking about I discovered that I can place this value in an excel cell and change the format to date to give a value that seems to makes sense. (The two values above yield 02.02.62 and 24.3.51 respectively). Does anyone know what is going on here - and more importantly what can I do in CF to 716640 to make it a date that I can use as a normal date. Cheers, Tom -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
Trying to create a date of 0001/01/01 is alot of fun in CF - I cant seem to create one using createdate(). I imagine Tom you will have to use something like the code below to generate a reference date to compare the integers against. cfset mydate = createdate(1962,2,2) cfset refdate = dateadd(d, -716640, mydate) cfoutput #dateformat(refdate, '/mm/dd')# /cfoutput hth Rod --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: WDDX2CFML
Hi Rei, if you go look at your datasource in coldfusion administrator, under the advanced settings there is an option for Enable long text retrieval (CLOB) . make sure it's turned on. cheers, Toby On 03/04/2007, at 19:04 , Rei wrote: Evening all, I am trying to retrieve WDDX packet stored in an ntext field of table x in my trusty SQL db. The charLength of said WDDX packet is approx 7. CFWDDX ACTION=WDDX2CFML INPUT=#bigPacket# OUTPUT=xStruct But...alas! When I return this data, I only get 32000 characters, and the missing 38000 characters includes the closing tag of the WDDX packet (amongst other valuable information) so I get a parse error. So I have two questions for knowledgeable folks. At what point are the characters discarded? Any suggestions for a suitable workaround? Many thanks in advance! --- Life is poetry, write it in your own words --- Toby Tremayne Senior Technical Consultant Lyricist Software 0416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: WDDX2CFML
What SQL db are you using? On Apr 3, 7:04 pm, Rei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evening all, I am trying to retrieve WDDX packet stored in an ntext field of table x in my trusty SQL db. The charLength of said WDDX packet is approx 7. CFWDDX ACTION=WDDX2CFML INPUT=#bigPacket# OUTPUT=xStruct But...alas! When I return this data, I only get 32000 characters, and the missing 38000 characters includes the closing tag of the WDDX packet (amongst other valuable information) so I get a parse error. So I have two questions for knowledgeable folks. At what point are the characters discarded? Any suggestions for a suitable workaround? Many thanks in advance! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: WDDX2CFML
Thanks a lot - works a charm!! On Apr 3, 7:09 pm, Toby Tremayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rei, if you go look at your datasource in coldfusion administrator, under the advanced settings there is an option for Enable long text retrieval (CLOB) . make sure it's turned on. cheers, Toby On 03/04/2007, at 19:04 , Rei wrote: Evening all, I am trying to retrieve WDDX packet stored in an ntext field of table x in my trusty SQL db. The charLength of said WDDX packet is approx 7. CFWDDX ACTION=WDDX2CFML INPUT=#bigPacket# OUTPUT=xStruct But...alas! When I return this data, I only get 32000 characters, and the missing 38000 characters includes the closing tag of the WDDX packet (amongst other valuable information) so I get a parse error. So I have two questions for knowledgeable folks. At what point are the characters discarded? Any suggestions for a suitable workaround? Many thanks in advance! --- Life is poetry, write it in your own words --- Toby Tremayne Senior Technical Consultant Lyricist Software 0416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
The funny thing is, Excel recognises these numbers as dates. If I paste one of the numbers into Excel, then do Format Cell Date and choose the last option on the list, Excel will happily turn it into a correct date. To my thinking, it must therefore be a fairly standard way of formatting a date and yet I can find nothing about it anywhere. Very weird. More Googling needed I think. Thanks for all your help. T On 4/3/07, rod higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to create a date of 0001/01/01 is alot of fun in CF - I cant seem to create one using createdate(). I imagine Tom you will have to use something like the code below to generate a reference date to compare the integers against. cfset mydate = createdate(1962,2,2) cfset refdate = dateadd(d, -716640, mydate) cfoutput #dateformat(refdate, '/mm/dd')# /cfoutput hth Rod -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] WSE Security - anyone have any experience with it?
My client has asked for advice on what the ramifications might be for his site if he shares content with another company who uses WSE Security. The content will require secure access - there's dollars being passed back and forth - and this other company is a .net site, and they use WSE security. So .. now I have to bone up on what it means for a CF7.0.2 enterprise/Win2003 environment. Can anyone point me at any resources so I can learn about it. preferably not anything from Microsoft I have the greatest difficulty learning anything from their documentation. -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Date format
Hi Tom, According to http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/06/16.html: In most modern programming environments, dates are stored as real numbers. The integer part of the number is the number of days since some agreed-upon date in the past, called the epoch. In Excel, today's date, June 16, 2006, is stored as 38884, counting days where January 1st, 1900 is 1. ...Basic uses December 31, 1899 as the epoch I put the numbers in Excel 2003 got 2/02/3862 and 24/03/3851. You might want to google for the epoch of your strange MS-based database :) kj _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom MacKean Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 9:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Date format The funny thing is, Excel recognises these numbers as dates. If I paste one of the numbers into Excel, then do Format Cell Date and choose the last option on the list, Excel will happily turn it into a correct date. To my thinking, it must therefore be a fairly standard way of formatting a date and yet I can find nothing about it anywhere. Very weird. More Googling needed I think. Thanks for all your help. T --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
OK. Feeling a bit silly now. #dateformat(718167,d.m.yy)# works a treat. It gives 9.4.66 which is the same result as Excel (and I assume is correct) My confusion initially was that #dateformat(718167,d.m.)# gives 9.4.3866 which didn't look right at all so I thought is wasn't working. The key is that the year is only two digits. Sorry for wasting everyone's time :( T On 4/4/07, Tom MacKean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The funny thing is, Excel recognises these numbers as dates. If I paste one of the numbers into Excel, then do Format Cell Date and choose the last option on the list, Excel will happily turn it into a correct date. To my thinking, it must therefore be a fairly standard way of formatting a date and yet I can find nothing about it anywhere. Very weird. More Googling needed I think. Thanks for all your help. T On 4/3/07, rod higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to create a date of 0001/01/01 is alot of fun in CF - I cant seem to create one using createdate(). I imagine Tom you will have to use something like the code below to generate a reference date to compare the integers against. cfset mydate = createdate(1962,2,2) cfset refdate = dateadd(d, -716640, mydate) cfoutput #dateformat(refdate, '/mm/dd')# /cfoutput hth Rod -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
Barry I think we all do. I did the same thing a few years ago to, and even posted a solution to this from a mssql database. Tom: Yeah it is a Julian format, and is commonly used in storing dates in mySql servers. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 10:42 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Date format no waste at all, IMHO. I stumbled across this with dateformat() by pure accident three years ago and then completely forgot. had you not reminded me with your problem I probably would have forgotten this for good. thanx for the mental jog (there's always a silver lining to look for) b On 4/4/07, Tom MacKean [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK. Feeling a bit silly now. #dateformat(718167,d.m.yy)# works a treat. It gives 9.4.66 which is the same result as Excel (and I assume is correct) My confusion initially was that #dateformat(718167,d.m.)# gives 9.4.3866 which didn't look right at all so I thought is wasn't working. The key is that the year is only two digits. Sorry for wasting everyone's time :( T On 4/4/07, Tom MacKean [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The funny thing is, Excel recognises these numbers as dates. If I paste one of the numbers into Excel, then do Format Cell Date and choose the last option on the list, Excel will happily turn it into a correct date. To my thinking, it must therefore be a fairly standard way of formatting a date and yet I can find nothing about it anywhere. Very weird. More Googling needed I think. Thanks for all your help. T On 4/3/07, rod higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying to create a date of 0001/01/01 is alot of fun in CF - I cant seem to create one using createdate(). I imagine Tom you will have to use something like the code below to generate a reference date to compare the integers against. cfset mydate = createdate(1962,2,2) cfset refdate = dateadd(d, -716640, mydate) cfoutput #dateformat(refdate, '/mm/dd')# /cfoutput hth Rod -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
On 4/4/07, Tom MacKean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My confusion initially was that #dateformat(718167,d.m.)# gives 9.4.3866 which didn't look right at all so I thought is wasn't working. The Looks like a bug in the dateformat function. Perhaps you could raise an issue with Adobe about it. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
Actually Excel returns the same result when you force it to use a four digit year. Tom On 4/4/07, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/07, Tom MacKean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My confusion initially was that #dateformat(718167,d.m.)# gives 9.4.3866 which didn't look right at all so I thought is wasn't working. The Looks like a bug in the dateformat function. Perhaps you could raise an issue with Adobe about it. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor or irrational religious beliefs. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email is not authorized (either explicitly or implicitly) and constitutes an irritating social fauxpas. No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the mutt next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
I can't see a bug at all. The dateformat function simply diplays the last two digits of the year of the date as it should. It the date is stored as 9.4.3866 you would expect a display of 9.4.66 wouldn't you? What I want to know is why #dateformat(1,d.m.)# is 31/12/1899 and not 1/1/900 ?? On Apr 4, 11:07 am, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/07, Tom MacKean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My confusion initially was that #dateformat(718167,d.m.)# gives 9.4.3866 which didn't look right at all so I thought is wasn't working. The Looks like a bug in the dateformat function. Perhaps you could raise an issue with Adobe about it. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
suggest you refer back to Karen's previous entry and then follow up the joelonsoftware link, about halfway donn the joelonsoftware post. it might help On 4/4/07, rod higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see a bug at all. The dateformat function simply diplays the last two digits of the year of the date as it should. It the date is stored as 9.4.3866 you would expect a display of 9.4.66 wouldn't you? What I want to know is why #dateformat(1,d.m.)# is 31/12/1899 and not 1/1/900 ?? On Apr 4, 11:07 am, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/07, Tom MacKean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My confusion initially was that #dateformat(718167,d.m.)# gives 9.4.3866 which didn't look right at all so I thought is wasn't working. The Looks like a bug in the dateformat function. Perhaps you could raise an issue with Adobe about it. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
My point exactly excel parses the date from 1/1/1900, so should CF. The date stored in excel is the same as CF, for Tom's example it would be stored internally as 9/4/3866 regardless of how you display it. Half way down the article; In most modern programming environments, dates are stored as real numbers. The integer part of the number is the number of days since some agreed-upon date in the past, called the epoch. In Excel, today's date, June 16, 2006, is stored as 38884, counting days where January 1st, 1900 is 1. So why does CF regard the integer 1 as 31/12/1899? Do others experience this or is it just a dodgy version of CF running on my localhost? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 12:17 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Date format suggest you refer back to Karen's previous entry and then follow up the joelonsoftware link, about halfway donn the joelonsoftware post. it might help On 4/4/07, rod higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't see a bug at all. The dateformat function simply diplays the last two digits of the year of the date as it should. It the date is stored as 9.4.3866 you would expect a display of 9.4.66 wouldn't you? What I want to know is why #dateformat(1,d.m.)# is 31/12/1899 and not 1/1/900 ?? On Apr 4, 11:07 am, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/4/07, Tom MacKean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My confusion initially was that #dateformat(718167,d.m.)# gives 9.4.3866 which didn't look right at all so I thought is wasn't working. The Looks like a bug in the dateformat function. Perhaps you could raise an issue with Adobe about it. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Date format
Tom,
The number is simple it is a date that is number of seconds from a given
date, if you type the number into excel it is going to do its best to
convert that number to a date.
The actual problem as I tried to find the code that I came up with fro
coldfusion, is simple to achieve.
The solution would be to do cfset date = DateAdd('s',value,01/01/1980) /
And that will give you the correct date from the time specified in Julian
dates converted to CF, excel doesn't do this for you it just tries to
convert number to a date object.
Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613 8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Date format
Actually Excel returns the same result when you force it to use a four digit
year.
Tom
On 4/4/07, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/4/07, Tom MacKean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My confusion initially was that #dateformat(718167,d.m.)# gives
9.4.3866 which didn't look right at all so I thought is wasn't working.
The
Looks like a bug in the dateformat function. Perhaps you could raise
an issue with Adobe about it.
Chris
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[cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training
Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex-training--course.cfm Cheers Grant --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
Grant, Can this course be offered in other locatons. Brian -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex-trainin g--course.cfm Cheers Grant --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
Grant, That is fantastic and I would love to send some staff on this course. However it really just isn't a good time for us. But please if you plan on doing something similar again I would be interested. PS: If you want to do one in Melbourne it would be more affordable for us and I could send more people. I'm sure you would have no trouble filling a session in Melbourne. PS: If you have rates on doing in house training, send them my way. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex-training--c ourse.cfm Cheers Grant --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
I just house trained my dog. Cost me nothing. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:45 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training Grant, That is fantastic and I would love to send some staff on this course. However it really just isn't a good time for us. But please if you plan on doing something similar again I would be interested. PS: If you want to do one in Melbourne it would be more affordable for us and I could send more people. I'm sure you would have no trouble filling a session in Melbourne. PS: If you have rates on doing in house training, send them my way. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex-trainin g--c ourse.cfm Cheers Grant --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] cfcharts in cfforms
Hey Been trying to get a cfchart to appear in a tabbed cfform Have tried flipping the type in cfformitem, but only succeed in getting various code being displayed Can't find any examples or info where this is done on MX7.02 Any help appreciated Bryce :-) *** Confidentiality and Disclaimer Statement * The information in this e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be subject to legal professional privilege. It is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, or person responsible for delivering this information to the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately. Unless you are the intended recipient or his/her representative you are not authorised to, and must not read, copy, distribute, use or retain this message or any part of it. Opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in this message are not given or endorsed by NCC unless otherwise indicated by an authorised officer independent of this message. NCC has implemented anti-virus software, and whilst all care is taken, it is the recipient's responsibility to ensure that the message and any attachments are scanned for viruses prior to use. This footnote also confirms this e-mail message has been read electronically by an e-mail content breakdown system. Newcastle City Council Web: http://www.newcastle.nsw.gov.au E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
because you (your company) have been a respected Macromedia Alliance partner for a while now, does this training come with any recognition/magic pieces of paper/certification? On 4/4/07, Grant Straker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, if people are interested. We have a number of clients in Queensland so Brisbane is certainly an option as is Melbourne. I'll have a chat with the guys and see if we can get some provisional dates for both locations and see if we have enough interest to run one. It is being offered in Auckland on the 17-18th April for those interested. http://www.straker.co.nz/shadozoom//events/events/2007/en/auckland-2-day-flex-training.cfm Grant On Apr 4, 3:41 pm, KNOTT, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant, Can this course be offered in other locatons. Brian-Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex-trainin g--course.cfm Cheers Grant --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
It won't come with any Adobe certification but we will have our own certificate to hand out at the end. We have been working with and training Flex since Flex 1.0, so feel we know enough about it to get out a certificate with some meaning. Grant On Apr 4, 4:12 pm, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because you (your company) have been a respected Macromedia Alliance partner for a while now, does this training come with any recognition/magic pieces of paper/certification? On 4/4/07, Grant Straker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, if people are interested. We have a number of clients in Queensland so Brisbane is certainly an option as is Melbourne. I'll have a chat with the guys and see if we can get some provisional dates for both locations and see if we have enough interest to run one. It is being offered in Auckland on the 17-18th April for those interested. http://www.straker.co.nz/shadozoom//events/events/2007/en/auckland-2-... Grant On Apr 4, 3:41 pm, KNOTT, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant, Can this course be offered in other locatons. Brian-Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex-trainin g--course.cfm Cheers Grant --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
FYI the Adobe certified Flex courses are now being offered by Dynamic Web Training - I'm actually in Melbourne right now teaching the very first Rich Client Application course, and will be back down in a few weeks for the Data Communications course. That said, if you can make it to Indy's sessions I'm sure you'll get a lot out of it. http://www.dynamicwebtraining.com.au/training/flex_training.php Thanks, Robin __ Robin Hilliard Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins: w+61 7 5451 0362 m+61 419 677 151 f+61 3 9923 6261 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Direct: m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 04/04/2007, at 2:18 PM, Grant Straker wrote: It won't come with any Adobe certification but we will have our own certificate to hand out at the end. We have been working with and training Flex since Flex 1.0, so feel we know enough about it to get out a certificate with some meaning. Grant On Apr 4, 4:12 pm, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because you (your company) have been a respected Macromedia Alliance partner for a while now, does this training come with any recognition/ magic pieces of paper/certification? On 4/4/07, Grant Straker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, if people are interested. We have a number of clients in Queensland so Brisbane is certainly an option as is Melbourne. I'll have a chat with the guys and see if we can get some provisional dates for both locations and see if we have enough interest to run one. It is being offered in Auckland on the 17-18th April for those interested. http://www.straker.co.nz/shadozoom//events/events/2007/en/ auckland-2-... Grant On Apr 4, 3:41 pm, KNOTT, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant, Can this course be offered in other locatons. Brian-Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex- trainin g--course.cfm Cheers Grant --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this e-mail constitutes a commercial message of a type that you no longer wish to receive please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
Well the training is not worthless, very high quality and beneficial. But the certificate is worthless in the sense that employers seem to hold no value to it, I'm sure most here with CF certifications might agree. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Muller Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:34 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training Dale I'm curious as to how the certified training is almost worthless. Andrew On 04/04/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the certificate training will cost you 5 times as much and is almost worthless I think it's a good deal. PS: How many do you need to make a trip cost effective. Regards Dale Fraser --- Andrew Muller http://www.webqem.com linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
You know Robin, That really pisses me off. I have off and on list been chasing to get you down to Melbourne to do training and you have never come back with anything. Each time we get to a point of you saying I'll organise something leave it with me. And now you're down doing training? Did I miss something or do I have a right to be pissed off. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:35 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training FYI the Adobe certified Flex courses are now being offered by Dynamic Web Training - I'm actually in Melbourne right now teaching the very first Rich Client Application course, and will be back down in a few weeks for the Data Communications course. That said, if you can make it to Indy's sessions I'm sure you'll get a lot out of it. http://www.dynamicwebtraining.com.au/training/flex_training.php Thanks, Robin __ Robin Hilliard Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins: w+61 7 5451 0362 m+61 419 677 151 f+61 3 9923 6261 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Direct: m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 04/04/2007, at 2:18 PM, Grant Straker wrote: It won't come with any Adobe certification but we will have our own certificate to hand out at the end. We have been working with and training Flex since Flex 1.0, so feel we know enough about it to get out a certificate with some meaning. Grant On Apr 4, 4:12 pm, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because you (your company) have been a respected Macromedia Alliance partner for a while now, does this training come with any recognition/ magic pieces of paper/certification? On 4/4/07, Grant Straker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, if people are interested. We have a number of clients in Queensland so Brisbane is certainly an option as is Melbourne. I'll have a chat with the guys and see if we can get some provisional dates for both locations and see if we have enough interest to run one. It is being offered in Auckland on the 17-18th April for those interested. http://www.straker.co.nz/shadozoom//events/events/2007/en/ auckland-2-... Grant On Apr 4, 3:41 pm, KNOTT, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant, Can this course be offered in other locatons. Brian-Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex- trainin g--course.cfm Cheers Grant --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
I disagree I think certification is looked upon quite well by employers and is well worth the effort. My2c. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:58 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training Well the training is not worthless, very high quality and beneficial. But the certificate is worthless in the sense that employers seem to hold no value to it, I'm sure most here with CF certifications might agree. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Muller Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:34 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training Dale I'm curious as to how the certified training is almost worthless. Andrew On 04/04/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the certificate training will cost you 5 times as much and is almost worthless I think it's a good deal. PS: How many do you need to make a trip cost effective. Regards Dale Fraser --- Andrew Muller http://www.webqem.com linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
Will you be in town for the VIC Cfug Meeting Robin? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:35 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training FYI the Adobe certified Flex courses are now being offered by Dynamic Web Training - I'm actually in Melbourne right now teaching the very first Rich Client Application course, and will be back down in a few weeks for the Data Communications course. That said, if you can make it to Indy's sessions I'm sure you'll get a lot out of it. http://www.dynamicwebtraining.com.au/training/flex_training.php Thanks, Robin __ Robin Hilliard Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins: w+61 7 5451 0362 m+61 419 677 151 f+61 3 9923 6261 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Direct: m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 04/04/2007, at 2:18 PM, Grant Straker wrote: It won't come with any Adobe certification but we will have our own certificate to hand out at the end. We have been working with and training Flex since Flex 1.0, so feel we know enough about it to get out a certificate with some meaning. Grant On Apr 4, 4:12 pm, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because you (your company) have been a respected Macromedia Alliance partner for a while now, does this training come with any recognition/ magic pieces of paper/certification? On 4/4/07, Grant Straker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, if people are interested. We have a number of clients in Queensland so Brisbane is certainly an option as is Melbourne. I'll have a chat with the guys and see if we can get some provisional dates for both locations and see if we have enough interest to run one. It is being offered in Auckland on the 17-18th April for those interested. http://www.straker.co.nz/shadozoom//events/events/2007/en/ auckland-2-... Grant On Apr 4, 3:41 pm, KNOTT, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant, Can this course be offered in other locatons. Brian-Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex- trainin g--course.cfm Cheers Grant --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between Suncorp and the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this e-mail, including attachments, is unauthorised and expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and delete the e-mail and any attachments from your system. If this
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Are you an employer who looks upon it favourably or an employee who has had it looked upon favourable? No one has ever asked to see my certificates and I've never asked to see any. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Higgins Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 3:37 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training I disagree I think certification is looked upon quite well by employers and is well worth the effort. My2c. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:58 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training Well the training is not worthless, very high quality and beneficial. But the certificate is worthless in the sense that employers seem to hold no value to it, I'm sure most here with CF certifications might agree. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Muller Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:34 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training Dale I'm curious as to how the certified training is almost worthless. Andrew On 04/04/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the certificate training will cost you 5 times as much and is almost worthless I think it's a good deal. PS: How many do you need to make a trip cost effective. Regards Dale Fraser --- Andrew Muller http://www.webqem.com linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
Sorry Steve, Is there a meeting? did I miss the announcement? is there another cfaussie list where such things are announced?? Do you have a date and a venue that you can share with us? Lucas. On 4/4/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will you be in town for the VIC Cfug Meeting Robin? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:35 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training FYI the Adobe certified Flex courses are now being offered by Dynamic Web Training - I'm actually in Melbourne right now teaching the very first Rich Client Application course, and will be back down in a few weeks for the Data Communications course. That said, if you can make it to Indy's sessions I'm sure you'll get a lot out of it. http://www.dynamicwebtraining.com.au/training/flex_training.php Thanks, Robin __ Robin Hilliard Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins: w+61 7 5451 0362 m+61 419 677 151 f+61 3 9923 6261 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Direct: m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 04/04/2007, at 2:18 PM, Grant Straker wrote: It won't come with any Adobe certification but we will have our own certificate to hand out at the end. We have been working with and training Flex since Flex 1.0, so feel we know enough about it to get out a certificate with some meaning. Grant On Apr 4, 4:12 pm, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because you (your company) have been a respected Macromedia Alliance partner for a while now, does this training come with any recognition/ magic pieces of paper/certification? On 4/4/07, Grant Straker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, if people are interested. We have a number of clients in Queensland so Brisbane is certainly an option as is Melbourne. I'll have a chat with the guys and see if we can get some provisional dates for both locations and see if we have enough interest to run one. It is being offered in Auckland on the 17-18th April for those interested. http://www.straker.co.nz/shadozoom//events/events/2007/en/ auckland-2-... Grant On Apr 4, 3:41 pm, KNOTT, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant, Can this course be offered in other locatons. Brian-Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex- trainin g--course.cfm Cheers Grant --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp. Suncorp may be contacted at Level 18, 36 Wickham Terrace, Brisbane or on 13 11 55 or at suncorp.com.au. The content of this e-mail is the view of the sender or stated author and does not necessarily reflect the view of Suncorp. The content, including attachments, is a confidential communication between
[cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training
Should be scheduled for the 20th so hold your horses:P _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 3:45 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training Sorry Steve, Is there a meeting? did I miss the announcement? is there another cfaussie list where such things are announced?? Do you have a date and a venue that you can share with us? Lucas. On 4/4/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will you be in town for the VIC Cfug Meeting Robin? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:35 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training FYI the Adobe certified Flex courses are now being offered by Dynamic Web Training - I'm actually in Melbourne right now teaching the very first Rich Client Application course, and will be back down in a few weeks for the Data Communications course. That said, if you can make it to Indy's sessions I'm sure you'll get a lot out of it. http://www.dynamicwebtraining.com.au/training/flex_training.php http://www.dynamicwebtraining.com.au/training/flex_training.php Thanks, Robin __ Robin Hilliard Director - RocketBoots Pty Ltd Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au http://www.rocketboots.com.au For schedule/availability call Pamela Higgins: w+61 7 5451 0362 m+61 419 677 151 f+61 3 9923 6261 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] or Direct: m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 04/04/2007, at 2:18 PM, Grant Straker wrote: It won't come with any Adobe certification but we will have our own certificate to hand out at the end. We have been working with and training Flex since Flex 1.0, so feel we know enough about it to get out a certificate with some meaning. Grant On Apr 4, 4:12 pm, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because you (your company) have been a respected Macromedia Alliance partner for a while now, does this training come with any recognition/ magic pieces of paper/certification? On 4/4/07, Grant Straker [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, if people are interested. We have a number of clients in Queensland so Brisbane is certainly an option as is Melbourne. I'll have a chat with the guys and see if we can get some provisional dates for both locations and see if we have enough interest to run one. It is being offered in Auckland on the 17-18th April for those interested. http://www.straker.co.nz/shadozoom//events/events/2007/en/ auckland-2-... Grant On Apr 4, 3:41 pm, KNOTT, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grant, Can this course be offered in other locatons. Brian-Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 1:36 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Affordable Flex Training Hi All, Many people we meet at Webdu talked to us about Flex training in general and also learning a bit more about ZoomFlex . Due to the demand we have put together a low cost Flex training course to be held in Sydney on the 23-24 April. At only $295 the course is an absolute bargin for those of you looking to upskill in Flex. Course Agenda: The course is designed for developers who have had some exposure to Flex and understand the basics but want to get to the next level. At the end of the course attendees will build a working e-commerce Flex store using the ZoomFlex framework. Day 1 * Understanding the Flex paradigm * Flex Frameworks and why you need them (Covers MVC,Cairgorm and ZoomFlex) * Best practice CFC architecture * Error handling and debugging * Building for performance Day 2 * Making Flex applications SEO friendly * Securing Flex applications * Flex tips and tricks * Building a Flex e-commerce store The Tutor Senior Shado developer and course presenter Indy Nagpal has conducted training on different versions of ColdFusion since 1999 and is Adobe certified to teach Flex as well as Fast Track and Advanced ColdFusion courses. Indy was formerly a teacher of web programming at Humber College, Toronto and has conducted numerous training events for Straker Interactive. * Cost: : $295+GST * Duration: 2 Days * Venue: Sydney CBD - TBC * Date: 23-24th April 2007 Limited to 20 participants Lunch Provided You can book on the course here http://www.straker.co.nz/events/events/2007/en/sydney-2-day-flex- trainin g--course.cfm Cheers Grant --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related
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Actually most recently an employer and yes if I had to choose between a certified candidate and one that wasn't I would definitely go with a certified candidate. Some of our clients prefer developers that are certified and it adds value to any firm to say projects are developed by certified professionals. There are ad's on seek that list certification as a desirable or even an essential requirement for CF developers. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 3:42 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training Are you an employer who looks upon it favourably or an employee who has had it looked upon favourable? No one has ever asked to see my certificates and I've never asked to see any. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod Higgins Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 3:37 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training I disagree I think certification is looked upon quite well by employers and is well worth the effort. My2c. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:58 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training Well the training is not worthless, very high quality and beneficial. But the certificate is worthless in the sense that employers seem to hold no value to it, I'm sure most here with CF certifications might agree. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Muller Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 2:34 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Affordable Flex Training Dale I'm curious as to how the certified training is almost worthless. Andrew On 04/04/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering the certificate training will cost you 5 times as much and is almost worthless I think it's a good deal. PS: How many do you need to make a trip cost effective. Regards Dale Fraser --- Andrew Muller http://www.webqem.com linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/1/151/905 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
