[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
actually Scott, you may have hit on something that is 100% this thread. CF8 ent on Linux toe-to-toe with ASP.NET on Win Server2003 I haven't a clue what the answer to that is, dollar-wise, but it could an interesting comparison with perhaps CF8 Enterprise still being competitively priced? anyone wanna work it out? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
I hate the how much is Windows argument. We run ColdFusion on top of Windows so we pay for both, as do most people running ColdFusion. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited) Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:48 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? It really depends how you decide to compare. Service Provider pricing for Windows Server Standard is around $40 per CPU per month with instant upgrade rights for any new server version. This is die pricing so cores don't count. So when you look at .Net versus an application server like CF, you're comparing something you get with the monthly fee already (.net) with something that you need to buy and install on top of the OS costs. It's also not about the technology costs for the end-game hosting of the solution, I still firmly believe that CF out performs .Net in terms of speed to market for development, so what you really need to do is weight up the costs of developing a solution in both languages and then add on the ongoing costs for say 3 years. That way you are comparing the cost savings of rapid development in CF with the cost savings of hosting in .Net. Cheers Bruce -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 6:43 p.m. To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? actually Scott, you may have hit on something that is 100% this thread. CF8 ent on Linux toe-to-toe with ASP.NET on Win Server2003 I haven't a clue what the answer to that is, dollar-wise, but it could an interesting comparison with perhaps CF8 Enterprise still being competitively priced? anyone wanna work it out? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Robin, That's good I guess, but will your price be equivalent to the US$ prices, you should post pricing here when you can so that people fly to the US to save themselves money :) Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:54 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? That's RRP, way above what most Australian resellers would charge (no different to CF7) - we're waiting for the distis to give us the new pricing. Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/07/2007, at 4:46 PM, Steve Onnis wrote: Off the website Robin -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:44 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? On 30/07/2007, at 3:49 PM, Dale Fraser wrote: Standard $1,299 USD $2,105 AUD Enterprise $7,499 USD $12,169 AUD Dale, Where are you getting the Australian prices from? Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
perhaps we should all take a breather and wait until the dust settles? the information is only a couple of hours old. On 7/30/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin, That's good I guess, but will your price be equivalent to the US$ prices, you should post pricing here when you can so that people fly to the US to save themselves money :) Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:54 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? That's RRP, way above what most Australian resellers would charge (no different to CF7) - we're waiting for the distis to give us the new pricing. Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/07/2007, at 4:46 PM, Steve Onnis wrote: Off the website Robin -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:44 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? On 30/07/2007, at 3:49 PM, Dale Fraser wrote: Standard $1,299 USD $2,105 AUD Enterprise $7,499 USD $12,169 AUD Dale, Where are you getting the Australian prices from? Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Hey Dale, Seriously, these prices on the website don't seem that different to what used to be there for CF7. Remember also that Australian prices reflect a certain 10% tax we were never, ever supposed to get. Pam has already been fielding a lot of requests about upgrades and we've been talking to our distributor over the last few days to get some prices out ASAP. BTW Sydney people don't forget to RSVP here: http://www.eventbrite.com/event/66962286 Robin PS: Now that you know this meeting is actually a launch, you may remember the CF7 launch and how many people were there - space is limited to 50 and less than 30 spots are left, don't be left out... PPS: There is a strong possibility of a special, remote but live guest at all the ANZ CF8 launch events... watch this space. Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/07/2007, at 4:58 PM, Dale Fraser wrote: Robin, That's good I guess, but will your price be equivalent to the US$ prices, you should post pricing here when you can so that people fly to the US to save themselves money :) Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:54 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? That's RRP, way above what most Australian resellers would charge (no different to CF7) - we're waiting for the distis to give us the new pricing. Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/07/2007, at 4:46 PM, Steve Onnis wrote: Off the website Robin -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:44 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? On 30/07/2007, at 3:49 PM, Dale Fraser wrote: Standard$1,299 USD $2,105 AUD Enterprise $7,499 USD $12,169 AUD Dale, Where are you getting the Australian prices from? Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Robin If you see my first post, you will see the price difference between CF7 and CF8. They are veeery different Steve -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 5:16 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? Hey Dale, Seriously, these prices on the website don't seem that different to what used to be there for CF7. Remember also that Australian prices reflect a certain 10% tax we were never, ever supposed to get. Pam has already been fielding a lot of requests about upgrades and we've been talking to our distributor over the last few days to get some prices out ASAP. BTW Sydney people don't forget to RSVP here: http://www.eventbrite.com/event/66962286 Robin PS: Now that you know this meeting is actually a launch, you may remember the CF7 launch and how many people were there - space is limited to 50 and less than 30 spots are left, don't be left out... PPS: There is a strong possibility of a special, remote but live guest at all the ANZ CF8 launch events... watch this space. Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/07/2007, at 4:58 PM, Dale Fraser wrote: Robin, That's good I guess, but will your price be equivalent to the US$ prices, you should post pricing here when you can so that people fly to the US to save themselves money :) Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:54 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? That's RRP, way above what most Australian resellers would charge (no different to CF7) - we're waiting for the distis to give us the new pricing. Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/07/2007, at 4:46 PM, Steve Onnis wrote: Off the website Robin -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:44 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? On 30/07/2007, at 3:49 PM, Dale Fraser wrote: Standard$1,299 USD $2,105 AUD Enterprise $7,499 USD $12,169 AUD Dale, Where are you getting the Australian prices from? Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Dale, besides all price differences due to currency etc, I'm very sure that you are aware of the fact that if you fly to the US to pick your new shiny box of CF Enterprise yourself, you would most probably be liable for Australian GST (international reverse charge) and customs duty when you cross the border. That adds another 5% customs duty plus GST on sale price in the US and customs duty, I suppose. Keep that in mind, because the US pricing excludes taxes and any type of local (state) GST. I'm sure the balance is still in favour towards the US$ price after including that, but probably not as much anymore. Cheers Kai Robin, That's good I guess, but will your price be equivalent to the US$ prices, you should post pricing here when you can so that people fly to the US to save themselves money :) Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:54 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? That's RRP, way above what most Australian resellers would charge (no different to CF7) - we're waiting for the distis to give us the new pricing. Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 30/07/2007, at 4:46 PM, Steve Onnis wrote: Off the website Robin -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Hilliard Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 4:44 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? On 30/07/2007, at 3:49 PM, Dale Fraser wrote: Standard $1,299 USD $2,105 AUD Enterprise $7,499 USD $12,169 AUD Dale, Where are you getting the Australian prices from? Robin Hilliard CEO - RocketBoots Pty Limited Consulting . Recruitment . Software Licensing . Training http://www.rocketboots.com.au m+61 418 414 341 e[EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
OUCH! -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Haikal Saadh Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 6:12 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? Steve Onnis wrote: Is it? ASP.Net is free with Window Server Coldfusion doesn't come with a production level server Neither does windows! *rimshot* (Sorry, I tried, but I couldn't resist) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
i do have this answer and it weighs in our favour. it can turn religious fast but the LAMP stack isnt as free as first thought. suffice to say though you have to weigh capability as well into the conversation and whilst our sales staff would grin ear to ear to see you all become .NET developers overnight, i'd throw caution to the wind and raise initial concerns. it was a joke earlier and id rather not hijack this thread with this kind of discussion (happy to take offline) scott. On 7/30/07, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually Scott, you may have hit on something that is 100% this thread. CF8 ent on Linux toe-to-toe with ASP.NET on Win Server2003 I haven't a clue what the answer to that is, dollar-wise, but it could an interesting comparison with perhaps CF8 Enterprise still being competitively priced? anyone wanna work it out? -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
i could argue point for point on this.. you for example should readup on LINQ for example, match that with the foundation server solutions (which are free). then drop the VStudio products and rapid development is something old MSFT have. look i love cfml, i still keep my finger in its pie but i wouldt be so quick to cast .NET as being a joke. Billions of developers world wide cant be wrong. happy to take offline as i am concious of being offtopic. On 7/30/07, Bruce Trevarthen (B2 Limited) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really depends how you decide to compare. Service Provider pricing for Windows Server Standard is around $40 per CPU per month with instant upgrade rights for any new server version. This is die pricing so cores don't count. So when you look at .Net versus an application server like CF, you're comparing something you get with the monthly fee already (.net) with something that you need to buy and install on top of the OS costs. It's also not about the technology costs for the end-game hosting of the solution, I still firmly believe that CF out performs .Net in terms of speed to market for development, so what you really need to do is weight up the costs of developing a solution in both languages and then add on the ongoing costs for say 3 years. That way you are comparing the cost savings of rapid development in CF with the cost savings of hosting in .Net. Cheers Bruce -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 6:43 p.m. To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? actually Scott, you may have hit on something that is 100% this thread. CF8 ent on Linux toe-to-toe with ASP.NET on Win Server2003 I haven't a clue what the answer to that is, dollar-wise, but it could an interesting comparison with perhaps CF8 Enterprise still being competitively priced? anyone wanna work it out? -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Billions of developers world wide cant be wrong. but if Ballmer brags that by the end of 2008 windows will be on one billion pc's and there is billions of devs does that make windows a minority product? :P --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Sorry had billions on the brain, it's millions.. don't be a smart @rse m@ hehehe :) On 7/30/07, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Billions of developers world wide cant be wrong. but if Ballmer brags that by the end of 2008 windows will be on one billion pc's and there is billions of devs does that make windows a minority product? :P -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion 8 Seems to be out!
Me neither, and people have to remember that Coldfusion is still one of the more easily scalable server software (?), and last i heard the license is per CPU, so considering the number of JVM instances you can run off one high spec server with lots of ram... well i trust you guys can work it out yourselves! On Jul 30, 2:46 pm, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Standard is the same, although with far more functionality than it has before. Enterprise has gone up but you now have server monitoring, more db drivers, user/role management for the admin, sandboxing, and multi server capabilities... so I'm not shocked at the price hike. Mark On 7/30/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WTF? Did they just hike the prices upwards, I can't believe it. What moron is running this show. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 2:30 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] ColdFusion 8 Seems to be out! http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/ Wh000t! Mark -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W:www.compoundtheory.com -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W:www.compoundtheory.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Nope just my pay cheque.. anywho... Back to the original conversation... Have you all weighed up the new features vs old and considered why you'd upgrade from today to tommorow? I'm re-looking at the features and to be honest I wouldn't of wagered price tag would of been a hesitation? If you're serious about RIA and going down the Flex 3 path, then it makes natural sense to consider CF8 as not only your workflow language but the connection points between client-serverside. I dunno, i look at the overall perspective and if i have the level of skill investment that most of you have made already, it doesn't seem all dark and gloomy per say. What are the realistic pro's and con's in upgrading, weigh that up and associate price to this and determine whether or not your product(s) / project(s) will get significant gains by the upgrade. If you're only upgrading for the sake of it, then your ROI will come out trumps anyway? 20, 10 or 5% either way.. On 7/30/07, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry had billions on the brain, it's millions. looking at the sales sheets for windows server licensing again hey :P -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Spot on about Flex 3 integration Scott. Also you have to remember that CF is now part of the Adobe stable I expect more of the good stuff coming from what is already there in CF8 in future iterations, in relations to out of the box image and PDF manipulation. Not to forget CF7 alone was probably the most scalable and one of the fastest server web app platform around, its only a was because now we have CF 8. Oh and the remark about about how millions of .Net developers compared to the relatively less amount of CF developers... well you know once people used to denounce the minority who said the earth was not flat and instead spherical... Sorry couldn't resist :) Anyway on a serious note, each organisation will choose depending on their needs and budget, no one solution will cover everything, at least I have not seen one yet. On Jul 30, 7:34 pm, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope just my pay cheque.. anywho... Back to the original conversation... Have you all weighed up the new features vs old and considered why you'd upgrade from today to tommorow? I'm re-looking at the features and to be honest I wouldn't of wagered price tag would of been a hesitation? If you're serious about RIA and going down the Flex 3 path, then it makes natural sense to consider CF8 as not only your workflow language but the connection points between client-serverside. I dunno, i look at the overall perspective and if i have the level of skill investment that most of you have made already, it doesn't seem all dark and gloomy per say. What are the realistic pro's and con's in upgrading, weigh that up and associate price to this and determine whether or not your product(s) / project(s) will get significant gains by the upgrade. If you're only upgrading for the sake of it, then your ROI will come out trumps anyway? 20, 10 or 5% either way.. On 7/30/07, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry had billions on the brain, it's millions. looking at the sales sheets for windows server licensing again hey :P -- Regards, Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
well you know once people used to denounce the minority who said the earth was not flat and instead spherical... to quote the great late carl sagan (off the top of my head) They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. M@ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Well since we're all in a quoting mood: Change is the law of life, and those who look only to the past *or the present are certain to miss the future. - JFK.* Mind you he didn't see that Dallas in his future either heh :) On 7/30/07, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well you know once people used to denounce the minority who said the earth was not flat and instead spherical... to quote the great late carl sagan (off the top of my head) They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. M@ -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: webservice question
Maybe refer to the earlier thread about cfobject timing out? skateboard.com.au wrote: Hi People I have a webservice that I call. Every 2 days it dies. Refreshing the wsdl file via the CF admin fixes the issue. One of you guys indicated previously that there was code to automate the refresh. If someone could help me out here that would be good. Also, does anyone know why I am having this problem with this particular webservice? ie do some web services have timeouts or something? thanks Drew Peacock --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: webservice question
Hi Haikal That appears to be a different issue. I am just after some code to blow away a cached wsdl file. The webservice does not exactly time-out. It just stops working and the definition file needs to be re-read for some reason. thanks Drew Peacock -Original Message- From: Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:13:15 +1000 Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webservice question Maybe refer to the earlier thread about cfobject timing out? skateboard.com.au wrote: Hi People I have a webservice that I call. Every 2 days it dies. Refreshing the wsdl file via the CF admin fixes the issue. One of you guys indicated previously that there was code to automate the refresh. If someone could help me out here that would be good. Also, does anyone know why I am having this problem with this particular webservice? ie do some web services have timeouts or something? thanks Drew Peacock --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: webservice question
ignore this one. google came to the rescue. thanks Drew Peacock -Original Message- From: skateboard.com.au [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:41:18 +1000 Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webservice question Hi Haikal That appears to be a different issue. I am just after some code to blow away a cached wsdl file. The webservice does not exactly time-out. It just stops working and the definition file needs to be re-read for some reason. thanks Drew Peacock -Original Message- From: Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:13:15 +1000 Subject: [cfaussie] Re: webservice question Maybe refer to the earlier thread about cfobject timing out? skateboard.com.au wrote: Hi People I have a webservice that I call. Every 2 days it dies. Refreshing the wsdl file via the CF admin fixes the issue. One of you guys indicated previously that there was code to automate the refresh. If someone could help me out here that would be good. Also, does anyone know why I am having this problem with this particular webservice? ie do some web services have timeouts or something? thanks Drew Peacock --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Actually you can run .NET on linux.. I have seen it done. I have it running on my MAC!!! ooo aaahhh... On Jul 30, 4:03 pm, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inflation? :) CPI Index maybe... i got nothin... One could argue the PDF / Breeze pieces to the conversation could justify a price increment but.. one could argue :D *grin* ASP.NET is free? :P heheheheh (kidding, just kidding). On 7/30/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, I was looking at the US prices. CF7 Ent was $5999 CF8 Ent is $7499 Exactly 25% increase. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 3:53 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? Milking I noticed that you stated it's a 25% increase in your blog. Infact it is a 50% increase. The previous version is 25% cheaper in cost but the new pricing is 50% more than the previous version. Steve -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 3:49 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? Did you say Milking or Killing I'm a bit dyslexic. PS: Don't buy CF out of Australia unless you want to pay through the nose, the US$ is 90cents odd. Standard$1,299 USD $2,105 AUD Enterprise $7,499 USD $12,169 AUD The upgrades are just as bad, don't let Adobe rip off Australians, seriously it would be less expensive to fly to the US and purchase a copy from a store. Regards Dale Fraser http://dalefraser.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 30 July 2007 3:35 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke? No doubt this will be a heated thread but it has to be said, and I am sure we will all agree that we hope the powers at Adobe are watching. Now that CF8 has hit the Adobe site, we no longer have to wait for a release date, or do we? As many of you have no doubt seen, the pricing of the newly released Coldfusion 8 product is a little bit inflated. As well as that, the price difference between the boxed and download products is ridiculous. $500 difference between the 2 of them. Lets have a look at the pricing Product Price Box Price D/L DIFF == Coldfusion 8 == CF 6.x or MX7 STD UG to CF8 ENT $9,489 $8,629 $860 CF 6.x or MX7 ENT UG to CF8 ENT $6,085 $5,535 $550 CF 6.x or MX7 STD UG to CF8 STD $1,055 $ 955 $100 == Coldfusion 7 == CF 6.x STD UG to CF7 ENT$6,009 $5,465 $544 CF 6.x ENT UG to CF7 ENT$3,129 $2,845 $284 CF 6.x STD UG to CF7 STD$ 679 $ 615 $ 64 For the enterprise licensing there is over a 50% price increase between this release and the previous release and a little less than that for the standard product. Also, whats the deal with the price different between the boxed and download between the upgrade paths? They cant be indicating that depending on the product that the boxes will be different and contain different stuff in them aside from the serial number being different can they? Even if they seriously thought we would swallow that, how is it that the enterprise upgrades are different, by $300! If you are talking about price increases as a result of things like the server monitoring, why not sell them as an addon, much like the graphing components for Flex? I am sure they can lock out functionality much like they do between the standard and enterprise products. Personally I get the feeling that Adobe is just milking this release. Steve -- Regards, Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Coldfusion 8 Pricing - Is it a joke?
Mono rox and MSFT from memory (don't source me on this) apparently donates a lot of code to this project. So yeah you can have Mono on Linux but IIS7.0is worth looking more into in terms of performance gains. In Windows 2008, Php actually runs faster then on Linux (fast CGI is ownerz). Scott. On 7/31/07, Haikal Saadh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cfgroupie wrote: Actually you can run .NET on linux.. I have seen it done. I have it running on my MAC!!! ooo aaahhh... Srsly? Thru Mono? Does it work well? Our work has a job tracking system that's .net, and if I can get it run on my mac, I can turn off my windows machine again. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
