[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Robin Hilliard]

On 24/07/2009, at 5:03 PM, Mark Mandel wrote:

> Quite often I have done this, where I have had all the CFCs I am  
> using, which are stored off the webroot in one project, and the  
> actual view code in another project.
>
> Something like:
> project-wwwroot
> project-mapped
>
> I often set them up as related projects, so they will both open  
> together.

You can also use the svn:external tag to bring projects together - the  
nice thing then is you can import a tagged version of a project (say  
some sort of common library) you depend on, so that you can keep  
updating the project without breaking everything else that uses it.

Robin


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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Robin Hilliard]

On 24/07/2009, at 4:52 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes wrote:

> 'Projects' have been a bit of a pain in the past though because of  
> the structure I have adopted where most 'sites' are just skeletons  
> and all the code is safely tucked away in another directory far  
> removed from the web root.

Hi Brett,

We've come full circle from that in recent CF projects, where our  
project is a package hierarchy like this:

/com
   /company
 /project
   /vhosts
 /thewebroot
 ...other web roots
 ...other projects
   ...code from other companies
/test
   ...test cases in packages mirroring those above

...and the web root(s) are placed under the projects they belong to.   
When installing the application we set up the appropriate cf mappings  
to point to the package hierarchy (which contains all our CFML, not  
just cfcs) and then add vhosts to the web roots in Apache.

We think of our CF apps as applications that happen to contain some  
web sites (and maybe other forms of access like gateways, scheduled  
tasks and such), not web sites that happen to be applications.

Cheers,
Robin



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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Kai Koenig]

If it had Banner ads, I'd still rather pay 500$ for it. :)

Cheers
Kai



>
> I heard there's going to be a free version, with banner ads.
>
> Now how much do you want to pay?
>
> :)
>
> On 7/29/09, Kai Koenig  wrote:
>>
>> Well, no one knows for sure - but why would Adobe make a development
>> IDE available for free? That would at least very much surprise me.  
>> I'd
>> expect it to be priced in the ranges of Flex Builder, maybe slightly
>> less.
>>
>> I personally find it very nice to work with and it has a lot of
>> features that
>> CFEclipse doesn't offer at the moment. If it's worth the price tag
>> (whatever
>> it will be) is pretty much anyone's decision after release I'd say.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Kai
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On the subject. Does anyone know if CF Builder is going to be free
>>> when it is released? If it is going to cost money, will it offer us
>>> much more than what CFEclipse does now? I couldn't find this info
>>> online anywhere.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM, AJ Mercer  
>>> wrote:
 you can add a new directory that is just a link
 right-click - select new folder
>>>

>>
>> _
>> Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd
>> ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 /  +61 450 132 117
>> web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz
>> blog: http://www.bloginblack.de
>>
>>
>>>
>>
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Steve Onnis]

Na just a cloning machine :)  Maybe a magic hammock like Homer Simpson
had.

  _  

From: Mark Mandel [mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2009 2:20 PM
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Would you like fries with that? ;)


On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Peter  wrote:



Are you taking orders Mark?  I'll have one, here's what I'd like.

Current Web Premium set
   Dreamweaver
   Fireworks
   Acrobat Pro
   Photoshop
   Illustrator
   Flash Pro

Plus
   CF Builder
   Flex Builder

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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[MrBuzzy]

I heard there's going to be a free version, with banner ads.

Now how much do you want to pay?

:)

On 7/29/09, Kai Koenig  wrote:
>
> Well, no one knows for sure - but why would Adobe make a development
> IDE available for free? That would at least very much surprise me. I'd
> expect it to be priced in the ranges of Flex Builder, maybe slightly
> less.
>
> I personally find it very nice to work with and it has a lot of
> features that
> CFEclipse doesn't offer at the moment. If it's worth the price tag
> (whatever
> it will be) is pretty much anyone's decision after release I'd say.
>
> Cheers
> Kai
>
>
>
>>
>> On the subject. Does anyone know if CF Builder is going to be free
>> when it is released? If it is going to cost money, will it offer us
>> much more than what CFEclipse does now? I couldn't find this info
>> online anywhere.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM, AJ Mercer wrote:
>>> you can add a new directory that is just a link
>>> right-click - select new folder
>>
>> >
>
> _
> Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd
> ph: +64 4 476 6781 - mob: +64 21 928 365 /  +61 450 132 117
> web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz
> blog: http://www.bloginblack.de
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Steve Onnis]

If you want free there is always notepad :) 

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From: Kai Koenig [mailto:k...@bloginblack.de] 
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Bolt


Well, no one knows for sure - but why would Adobe make a development
IDE available for free? That would at least very much surprise me. I'd
expect it to be priced in the ranges of Flex Builder, maybe slightly  
less.

I personally find it very nice to work with and it has a lot of  
features that
CFEclipse doesn't offer at the moment. If it's worth the price tag  
(whatever
it will be) is pretty much anyone's decision after release I'd say.

Cheers
Kai



>
> On the subject. Does anyone know if CF Builder is going to be free
> when it is released? If it is going to cost money, will it offer us
> much more than what CFEclipse does now? I couldn't find this info
> online anywhere.
>
> thanks
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM, AJ Mercer wrote:
>> you can add a new directory that is just a link
>> right-click - select new folder
>
> >

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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Kai Koenig]

Well, no one knows for sure - but why would Adobe make a development
IDE available for free? That would at least very much surprise me. I'd
expect it to be priced in the ranges of Flex Builder, maybe slightly  
less.

I personally find it very nice to work with and it has a lot of  
features that
CFEclipse doesn't offer at the moment. If it's worth the price tag  
(whatever
it will be) is pretty much anyone's decision after release I'd say.

Cheers
Kai



>
> On the subject. Does anyone know if CF Builder is going to be free
> when it is released? If it is going to cost money, will it offer us
> much more than what CFEclipse does now? I couldn't find this info
> online anywhere.
>
> thanks
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM, AJ Mercer wrote:
>> you can add a new directory that is just a link
>> right-click - select new folder
>
> >

_
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Mark Mandel]

Would you like fries with that? ;)

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Peter  wrote:

>
> Are you taking orders Mark?  I'll have one, here's what I'd like.
>
> Current Web Premium set
>Dreamweaver
>Fireworks
>Acrobat Pro
>Photoshop
>Illustrator
>Flash Pro
>
> Plus
>CF Builder
>Flex Builder
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Peter]

Are you taking orders Mark?  I'll have one, here's what I'd like.

Current Web Premium set
Dreamweaver
Fireworks
Acrobat Pro
Photoshop
Illustrator
Flash Pro

Plus
CF Builder
Flex Builder

Peter Robertson

On Jul 29, 1:41 pm, Mark Mandel  wrote:
> Now that is an interesting question!
>
> Like a Developer Suite -
>
> Something like
> ColdFusion Builder
> Flex Builder
> Fireworks
> Acrobat Pro (?)
> Flash (?)
>
> Would that work?
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Barry Beattie wrote:
>
>
>
> > > What we need is Flex Builder and Bolt to be part of the web version of
> > the
> > > next Adobe Creative Suite. :-)
>
> > oooh .. that's an interesting viewpoint.
>
> > Should CFB and FXB be part of Web suite, or a new suite collection
> > altogether?
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[AJ Mercer]

Adam Lehman was on cf hour and the Suite idea came up.
Whilst he would not make a comment on it, he was saying how the development
life-cycles of all the eclipse based product were going to be kept in sync.
He then said you an draw your own conclusions from that.

The point he was also making was that if it was to be included in the CS
suite, then they would have to keep it in sync with that life-cyle. His
tone/attitude/read-between-the-lines was that was not going to happen.

Well, that was my take on the pod cast.
make up your own mind
http://cfhour.com/detail.cfm?entry=8AAE09B7-B7E4-8D4E-57FE66221A620990



2009/7/29 Mark Mandel 

> Now that is an interesting question!
>
> Like a Developer Suite -
>
> Something like
> ColdFusion Builder
> Flex Builder
> Fireworks
> Acrobat Pro (?)
> Flash (?)
>
> Would that work?
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Barry Beattie wrote:
>
>>
>> > What we need is Flex Builder and Bolt to be part of the web version of
>> the
>> > next Adobe Creative Suite. :-)
>>
>> oooh .. that's an interesting viewpoint.
>>
>> Should CFB and FXB be part of Web suite, or a new suite collection
>> altogether?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Andrew Myers]

Yes!  I possibly would want Dreamweaver added to that list and that would
certainly work for me...

2009/7/29 Mark Mandel 

> Now that is an interesting question!
>
> Like a Developer Suite -
>
> Something like
> ColdFusion Builder
> Flex Builder
> Fireworks
> Acrobat Pro (?)
> Flash (?)
>
> Would that work?
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Barry Beattie wrote:
>
>>
>> > What we need is Flex Builder and Bolt to be part of the web version of
>> the
>> > next Adobe Creative Suite. :-)
>>
>> oooh .. that's an interesting viewpoint.
>>
>> Should CFB and FXB be part of Web suite, or a new suite collection
>> altogether?
>>
>>
>>
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Mark Mandel]

Now that is an interesting question!

Like a Developer Suite -

Something like
ColdFusion Builder
Flex Builder
Fireworks
Acrobat Pro (?)
Flash (?)

Would that work?

Mark


On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Barry Beattie wrote:

>
> > What we need is Flex Builder and Bolt to be part of the web version of
> the
> > next Adobe Creative Suite. :-)
>
> oooh .. that's an interesting viewpoint.
>
> Should CFB and FXB be part of Web suite, or a new suite collection
> altogether?
>
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Barry Beattie]

> What we need is Flex Builder and Bolt to be part of the web version of the
> next Adobe Creative Suite. :-)

oooh .. that's an interesting viewpoint.

Should CFB and FXB be part of Web suite, or a new suite collection altogether?

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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Andrew Myers]

Yes I am probably being unfair.  They are actually very good and have never
had a problem with buying CS3 and consequently upgrading me to CS4.

What we need is Flex Builder and Bolt to be part of the web version of the
next Adobe Creative Suite. :-)

2009/7/29 Mark Mandel 

> Wouldn't you want to check it out, at the very least to find out if it will
> make you more productive (which I'm finding it is for me, for sure), and if
> so, make an argument to the ROI of buying a licence for you?
>
> If it costs $500 (to pick a number out of thin air), I'd be surprised if a
> company would balk over paying for it, if it's going to cut development time
> over an extended period.
>
> That being said, I've been surprised before.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Andrew Myers  wrote:
>
>> That's exactly why I haven't checked it out.  I don't want to become
>> dependent on something I can't afford and my company won't buy me. :-|
>>
>> 2009/7/29 Mark Mandel 
>>
>>> From everything I have read/heard it will be a commercial product,
>>> although Adobe isn't saying what the price point will be at this time.
>>>
>>> As to 'will it offer more' - there is a public beta, go check it out :D
>>> make your own decision.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Ryan Sabir  wrote:
>>>

 On the subject. Does anyone know if CF Builder is going to be free
 when it is released? If it is going to cost money, will it offer us
 much more than what CFEclipse does now? I couldn't find this info
 online anywhere.

 thanks


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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Mark Mandel]

Wouldn't you want to check it out, at the very least to find out if it will
make you more productive (which I'm finding it is for me, for sure), and if
so, make an argument to the ROI of buying a licence for you?

If it costs $500 (to pick a number out of thin air), I'd be surprised if a
company would balk over paying for it, if it's going to cut development time
over an extended period.

That being said, I've been surprised before.

Mark




On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Andrew Myers  wrote:

> That's exactly why I haven't checked it out.  I don't want to become
> dependent on something I can't afford and my company won't buy me. :-|
>
> 2009/7/29 Mark Mandel 
>
>> From everything I have read/heard it will be a commercial product,
>> although Adobe isn't saying what the price point will be at this time.
>>
>> As to 'will it offer more' - there is a public beta, go check it out :D
>> make your own decision.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Ryan Sabir  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On the subject. Does anyone know if CF Builder is going to be free
>>> when it is released? If it is going to cost money, will it offer us
>>> much more than what CFEclipse does now? I couldn't find this info
>>> online anywhere.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM, AJ Mercer wrote:
>>> > you can add a new directory that is just a link
>>> > right-click - select new folder
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Andrew Myers]

That's exactly why I haven't checked it out.  I don't want to become
dependent on something I can't afford and my company won't buy me. :-|

2009/7/29 Mark Mandel 

> From everything I have read/heard it will be a commercial product, although
> Adobe isn't saying what the price point will be at this time.
>
> As to 'will it offer more' - there is a public beta, go check it out :D
> make your own decision.
>
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Ryan Sabir  wrote:
>
>>
>> On the subject. Does anyone know if CF Builder is going to be free
>> when it is released? If it is going to cost money, will it offer us
>> much more than what CFEclipse does now? I couldn't find this info
>> online anywhere.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM, AJ Mercer wrote:
>> > you can add a new directory that is just a link
>> > right-click - select new folder
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Mike Kear]

Given that at WebDU a couple of years ago, one of the Adobe guys told
me that the principal business of Adobe was building development
tools, I doubt if they would make it free or near-free.

And that would also mean they should be preparing quite a lot of
documentation and other materials showing why paying for Bolt is
better than using CFEclipse for free.

Just my speculation.

Cheers
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On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Ryan Sabir wrote:
>
> On the subject. Does anyone know if CF Builder is going to be free
> when it is released? If it is going to cost money, will it offer us
> much more than what CFEclipse does now? I couldn't find this info
> online anywhere.
>
> thanks
>
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Mark Mandel]

>From everything I have read/heard it will be a commercial product, although
Adobe isn't saying what the price point will be at this time.

As to 'will it offer more' - there is a public beta, go check it out :D make
your own decision.

Mark

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Ryan Sabir  wrote:

>
> On the subject. Does anyone know if CF Builder is going to be free
> when it is released? If it is going to cost money, will it offer us
> much more than what CFEclipse does now? I couldn't find this info
> online anywhere.
>
> thanks
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 5:03 PM, AJ Mercer wrote:
> > you can add a new directory that is just a link
> > right-click - select new folder
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Ryan Sabir]

On the subject. Does anyone know if CF Builder is going to be free
when it is released? If it is going to cost money, will it offer us
much more than what CFEclipse does now? I couldn't find this info
online anywhere.

thanks


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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[AJ Mercer]

you can add a new directory that is just a link
right-click - select new folder
click 'Advanced >>' button
check 'link to folder'
browse to directory

Then when you search a project, it will search these folders too


2009/7/24 Brett Payne-Rhodes 

>
> Thanks Mark,
>
> I didn't expect it to be pain free and this is the first major issue that I
> have found so maybe it is a sign that it is time to bite the bullet...
>
> 'Projects' have been a bit of a pain in the past though because of the
> structure I have adopted where most 'sites' are just skeletons and all the
> code is safely tucked away in another directory far removed from the web
> root. If CF Builder will let me specify separate directories as part of a
> single project then that will help, but it hasn't been possible in other
> IDEs that I have tried. Is the 'project' structure used by CF Builder common
> to all Eclipse type IDEs? By which I mean if I go looking for a tutorial on
> 'Projects in Eclipse' will that help me find out what I need to know?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Brett
> B)
>
>
> Mark Mandel wrote:
> > This is where the difference lies in a proper IDE ;o)
> >
> > A 'project' is necessary, so that it knows things about what you are
> > developing, such as paths to where SVN is, or how you have set up your
> > unit tests, or even which server you are using.
> >
> > If you try and use Eclipse / ColdFusion Builder like Homesite, you're
> > going to be in for a rough time, as that's not how it was designed.
> >
> > Come to the dark side, it's nice and warm over here with our projects
> > :oD  I swear you will like it.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is where I have to admit to being a dinosaur and long time user
> > of Homesite which knows nothing of things like 'projects' but has a
> > very good text search facility that I use all the time. Trying to
> > use a search facility outside of the IDE isn't going to fly because
> > it is just too painful to go backwards and forwards - having found
> > the file I want to just click on it, and to be honest I just want it
> > built in...
> >
> > Many thanks!
> >
> > B)
> >
> >
> > Mark Mandel wrote:
> >  > So you are correct!
> >  >
> >  > I never really search outside my projects (if I do I grep), so I
> just
> >  > assumed you could specify any folder.
> >  >
> >  > Stupid question though - why do you want to search outside of
> > your projects?
> >  >
> >  > If you are on windows (and don't have grep), try out:
> >  > http://www.wingrep.com/
> >  >
> >  > It's a nice general search and replace tool I've used before.
> >  >
> >  > Mark
> >  >
> >  > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes
> > mailto:bret...@gmail.com>
> >  > >> wrote:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Thanks Mark,
> >  >
> >  > I found the Remote Search ... What I am referring to is the
> > 'scope'
> >  > of the search... How do I specify a directory to search
> > rather than
> >  > a 'workspace'? The popup from the Browse button isn't a
> >  > directory/file browser.
> >  >
> >  > B)
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Mark Mandel wrote:
> >  >  > You want to use the Remote Search.  It's a tab when you
> > hit CTRL+H
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Mark
> >  >  >
> >  >  > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes
> >  > mailto:bret...@gmail.com>
> > >
> >  >  > 
> >  >  >  >
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Is anyone trying out Bolt, aka Coldfusion Builder?
> >  >  >
> >  >  > If so... Do you know how to make the Search function
> > work over a
> >  >  > directory rather than a 'workspace' or 'working set'?
> > I've been
> >  >  > trying to use it exclusively since it was released on
> Beta
> >  > and have
> >  >  > been reasonably happy with it, but this is a bit of a
> show
> >  > stopper
> >  >  > for me...
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Thanks.
> >  >  >
> >  >  > B)
> >  >  >
> >  >  > --
> >  >  > Brett Payne-Rhodes
> >  >  > Eaglehawk Computing
> >  >  > t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
> >  >  > m: +61 (0)414 371 047
> >  >  > e: br...@ehc.net.au 
> > >
> >  > 
> > >>

[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Mark Mandel]

There is no reason you can't have more than 1 project dedicated to an
application.

Quite often I have done this, where I have had all the CFCs I am using,
which are stored off the webroot in one project, and the actual view code in
another project.

Something like:
project-wwwroot
project-mapped

I often set them up as related projects, so they will both open together.

..Also! Although I haven't played with it - in the ColdFusion settings for a
project, you can link to source not found in the project, and there is a
checkbox in which to specify that cfc's are stored there.

So lots of options!

Mark

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes wrote:

>
> Thanks Mark,
>
> I didn't expect it to be pain free and this is the first major issue that I
> have found so maybe it is a sign that it is time to bite the bullet...
>
> 'Projects' have been a bit of a pain in the past though because of the
> structure I have adopted where most 'sites' are just skeletons and all the
> code is safely tucked away in another directory far removed from the web
> root. If CF Builder will let me specify separate directories as part of a
> single project then that will help, but it hasn't been possible in other
> IDEs that I have tried. Is the 'project' structure used by CF Builder common
> to all Eclipse type IDEs? By which I mean if I go looking for a tutorial on
> 'Projects in Eclipse' will that help me find out what I need to know?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Brett
> B)
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Chris Velevitch]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 16:52, Brett Payne-Rhodes wrote:
> 'Projects' have been a bit of a pain in the past though because of the 
> structure I have adopted where most 'sites' are just skeletons and all the 
> code is safely tucked away in another directory far removed from the web 
> root. If CF Builder will let me specify separate directories as part of a 
> single project then that will help, but it hasn't been possible in other IDEs 
> that I have tried. Is the 'project' structure used by CF Builder common to 
> all Eclipse type IDEs? By which I mean if I go looking for a tutorial on 
> 'Projects in Eclipse' will that help me find out what I need to know?

You can link directories into a project by File->New->Folder at the
bottom of the dialog click the advanced button and check the "Link to
folder in the file system" and then browse for that folder.


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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Chris Velevitch]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 15:55, Brett Payne-Rhodes wrote:
> I found the Remote Search ... What I am referring to is the 'scope' of the 
> search... How do I specify a directory to search rather than a 'workspace'? 
> The popup from the Browse button isn't a directory/file browser.

The remote search dialog has a folder field with a browse button next
to it. You can select any directory on your system and they don't have
to be contained within any projects.

Also, to search only a sub-directory of a project, in the Package or
Navigator view select the sub-directory and then in the scope section
of the search dialog choose "Selected resources" and searching will
search that sub-directory.


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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Brett Payne-Rhodes]

Thanks Mark,

I didn't expect it to be pain free and this is the first major issue that I 
have found so maybe it is a sign that it is time to bite the bullet...

'Projects' have been a bit of a pain in the past though because of the 
structure I have adopted where most 'sites' are just skeletons and all the code 
is safely tucked away in another directory far removed from the web root. If CF 
Builder will let me specify separate directories as part of a single project 
then that will help, but it hasn't been possible in other IDEs that I have 
tried. Is the 'project' structure used by CF Builder common to all Eclipse type 
IDEs? By which I mean if I go looking for a tutorial on 'Projects in Eclipse' 
will that help me find out what I need to know?

Thanks again,

Brett
B)


Mark Mandel wrote:
> This is where the difference lies in a proper IDE ;o)
> 
> A 'project' is necessary, so that it knows things about what you are 
> developing, such as paths to where SVN is, or how you have set up your 
> unit tests, or even which server you are using.
> 
> If you try and use Eclipse / ColdFusion Builder like Homesite, you're 
> going to be in for a rough time, as that's not how it was designed.
> 
> Come to the dark side, it's nice and warm over here with our projects 
> :oD  I swear you will like it.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes  > wrote:
> 
> 
> This is where I have to admit to being a dinosaur and long time user
> of Homesite which knows nothing of things like 'projects' but has a
> very good text search facility that I use all the time. Trying to
> use a search facility outside of the IDE isn't going to fly because
> it is just too painful to go backwards and forwards - having found
> the file I want to just click on it, and to be honest I just want it
> built in...
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> B)
> 
> 
> Mark Mandel wrote:
>  > So you are correct!
>  >
>  > I never really search outside my projects (if I do I grep), so I just
>  > assumed you could specify any folder.
>  >
>  > Stupid question though - why do you want to search outside of
> your projects?
>  >
>  > If you are on windows (and don't have grep), try out:
>  > http://www.wingrep.com/
>  >
>  > It's a nice general search and replace tool I've used before.
>  >
>  > Mark
>  >
>  > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes
> mailto:bret...@gmail.com>
>  > >> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Thanks Mark,
>  >
>  > I found the Remote Search ... What I am referring to is the
> 'scope'
>  > of the search... How do I specify a directory to search
> rather than
>  > a 'workspace'? The popup from the Browse button isn't a
>  > directory/file browser.
>  >
>  > B)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Mark Mandel wrote:
>  >  > You want to use the Remote Search.  It's a tab when you
> hit CTRL+H
>  >  >
>  >  > Mark
>  >  >
>  >  > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes
>  > mailto:bret...@gmail.com>
> >
>  >  > 
>   >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > Is anyone trying out Bolt, aka Coldfusion Builder?
>  >  >
>  >  > If so... Do you know how to make the Search function
> work over a
>  >  > directory rather than a 'workspace' or 'working set'?
> I've been
>  >  > trying to use it exclusively since it was released on Beta
>  > and have
>  >  > been reasonably happy with it, but this is a bit of a show
>  > stopper
>  >  > for me...
>  >  >
>  >  > Thanks.
>  >  >
>  >  > B)
>  >  >
>  >  > --
>  >  > Brett Payne-Rhodes
>  >  > Eaglehawk Computing
>  >  > t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
>  >  > m: +61 (0)414 371 047
>  >  > e: br...@ehc.net.au 
> >
>  > 
> >>
>  >  > w: http://www.yoursite.net.au
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > --
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>  > 
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Mark Mandel]

This is where the difference lies in a proper IDE ;o)

A 'project' is necessary, so that it knows things about what you are
developing, such as paths to where SVN is, or how you have set up your unit
tests, or even which server you are using.

If you try and use Eclipse / ColdFusion Builder like Homesite, you're going
to be in for a rough time, as that's not how it was designed.

Come to the dark side, it's nice and warm over here with our projects :oD  I
swear you will like it.

Mark

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes wrote:

>
> This is where I have to admit to being a dinosaur and long time user of
> Homesite which knows nothing of things like 'projects' but has a very good
> text search facility that I use all the time. Trying to use a search
> facility outside of the IDE isn't going to fly because it is just too
> painful to go backwards and forwards - having found the file I want to just
> click on it, and to be honest I just want it built in...
>
> Many thanks!
>
> B)
>
>
> Mark Mandel wrote:
> > So you are correct!
> >
> > I never really search outside my projects (if I do I grep), so I just
> > assumed you could specify any folder.
> >
> > Stupid question though - why do you want to search outside of your
> projects?
> >
> > If you are on windows (and don't have grep), try out:
> > http://www.wingrep.com/
> >
> > It's a nice general search and replace tool I've used before.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Thanks Mark,
> >
> > I found the Remote Search ... What I am referring to is the 'scope'
> > of the search... How do I specify a directory to search rather than
> > a 'workspace'? The popup from the Browse button isn't a
> > directory/file browser.
> >
> > B)
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Mandel wrote:
> >  > You want to use the Remote Search.  It's a tab when you hit CTRL+H
> >  >
> >  > Mark
> >  >
> >  > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes
> > mailto:bret...@gmail.com>
> >  > >> wrote:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Is anyone trying out Bolt, aka Coldfusion Builder?
> >  >
> >  > If so... Do you know how to make the Search function work over
> a
> >  > directory rather than a 'workspace' or 'working set'? I've
> been
> >  > trying to use it exclusively since it was released on Beta
> > and have
> >  > been reasonably happy with it, but this is a bit of a show
> > stopper
> >  > for me...
> >  >
> >  > Thanks.
> >  >
> >  > B)
> >  >
> >  > --
> >  > Brett Payne-Rhodes
> >  > Eaglehawk Computing
> >  > t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
> >  > m: +61 (0)414 371 047
> >  > e: br...@ehc.net.au 
> > >
> >  > w: http://www.yoursite.net.au
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > --
> >  > E: mark.man...@gmail.com 
> > >
> >  > T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic
> >  > W: www.compoundtheory.com 
> > 
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > >
> >
> > --
> > Brett Payne-Rhodes
> > Eaglehawk Computing
> > t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
> > m: +61 (0)414 371 047
> > e: br...@ehc.net.au 
> > w: http://www.yoursite.net.au
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic
> > W: www.compoundtheory.com 
> >
> >
> > >
>
> --
> Brett Payne-Rhodes
> Eaglehawk Computing
> t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
> m: +61 (0)414 371 047
> e: br...@ehc.net.au
> w: http://www.yoursite.net.au
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Brett Payne-Rhodes]

This is where I have to admit to being a dinosaur and long time user of 
Homesite which knows nothing of things like 'projects' but has a very good text 
search facility that I use all the time. Trying to use a search facility 
outside of the IDE isn't going to fly because it is just too painful to go 
backwards and forwards - having found the file I want to just click on it, and 
to be honest I just want it built in...

Many thanks!

B)


Mark Mandel wrote:
> So you are correct!
> 
> I never really search outside my projects (if I do I grep), so I just 
> assumed you could specify any folder.
> 
> Stupid question though - why do you want to search outside of your projects?
> 
> If you are on windows (and don't have grep), try out:
> http://www.wingrep.com/
> 
> It's a nice general search and replace tool I've used before.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Mark,
> 
> I found the Remote Search ... What I am referring to is the 'scope'
> of the search... How do I specify a directory to search rather than
> a 'workspace'? The popup from the Browse button isn't a
> directory/file browser.
> 
> B)
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Mandel wrote:
>  > You want to use the Remote Search.  It's a tab when you hit CTRL+H
>  >
>  > Mark
>  >
>  > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes
> mailto:bret...@gmail.com>
>  > >> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Is anyone trying out Bolt, aka Coldfusion Builder?
>  >
>  > If so... Do you know how to make the Search function work over a
>  > directory rather than a 'workspace' or 'working set'? I've been
>  > trying to use it exclusively since it was released on Beta
> and have
>  > been reasonably happy with it, but this is a bit of a show
> stopper
>  > for me...
>  >
>  > Thanks.
>  >
>  > B)
>  >
>  > --
>  > Brett Payne-Rhodes
>  > Eaglehawk Computing
>  > t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
>  > m: +61 (0)414 371 047
>  > e: br...@ehc.net.au 
> >
>  > w: http://www.yoursite.net.au
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > E: mark.man...@gmail.com 
> >
>  > T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic
>  > W: www.compoundtheory.com 
> 
>  >
>  >
>  > >
> 
> --
> Brett Payne-Rhodes
> Eaglehawk Computing
> t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
> m: +61 (0)414 371 047
> e: br...@ehc.net.au 
> w: http://www.yoursite.net.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> E: mark.man...@gmail.com 
> T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic
> W: www.compoundtheory.com 
> 
> 
> > 

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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Mark Mandel]

So you are correct!

I never really search outside my projects (if I do I grep), so I just
assumed you could specify any folder.

Stupid question though - why do you want to search outside of your projects?

If you are on windows (and don't have grep), try out:
http://www.wingrep.com/

It's a nice general search and replace tool I've used before.

Mark

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes wrote:

>
> Thanks Mark,
>
> I found the Remote Search ... What I am referring to is the 'scope' of the
> search... How do I specify a directory to search rather than a 'workspace'?
> The popup from the Browse button isn't a directory/file browser.
>
> B)
>
>
>
> Mark Mandel wrote:
> > You want to use the Remote Search.  It's a tab when you hit CTRL+H
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Is anyone trying out Bolt, aka Coldfusion Builder?
> >
> > If so... Do you know how to make the Search function work over a
> > directory rather than a 'workspace' or 'working set'? I've been
> > trying to use it exclusively since it was released on Beta and have
> > been reasonably happy with it, but this is a bit of a show stopper
> > for me...
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > B)
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> >
> >
> >
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Brett Payne-Rhodes]

Thanks Mark,

I found the Remote Search ... What I am referring to is the 'scope' of the 
search... How do I specify a directory to search rather than a 'workspace'? The 
popup from the Browse button isn't a directory/file browser.

B)



Mark Mandel wrote:
> You want to use the Remote Search.  It's a tab when you hit CTRL+H
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Is anyone trying out Bolt, aka Coldfusion Builder?
> 
> If so... Do you know how to make the Search function work over a
> directory rather than a 'workspace' or 'working set'? I've been
> trying to use it exclusively since it was released on Beta and have
> been reasonably happy with it, but this is a bit of a show stopper
> for me...
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> B)
> 
> --
> Brett Payne-Rhodes
> Eaglehawk Computing
> t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
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> 
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[cfaussie] Re: Bolt

[Mark Mandel]

You want to use the Remote Search.  It's a tab when you hit CTRL+H

Mark

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Brett Payne-Rhodes wrote:

>
> Is anyone trying out Bolt, aka Coldfusion Builder?
>
> If so... Do you know how to make the Search function work over a directory
> rather than a 'workspace' or 'working set'? I've been trying to use it
> exclusively since it was released on Beta and have been reasonably happy
> with it, but this is a bit of a show stopper for me...
>
> Thanks.
>
> B)
>
> --
> Brett Payne-Rhodes
> Eaglehawk Computing
> t: +61 (0)8 9371-0471
> m: +61 (0)414 371 047
> e: br...@ehc.net.au
> w: http://www.yoursite.net.au
>
>
> >
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