Re: [freenet-chat] Questions

2006-03-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
Hi! We cannot enforce a limit, since people can always edit the source
code, but Freenet 0.5 requires at least 101MB of disk space, and
defaults to 256MB. The limit may be a bit lower in 0.7 because of
smaller keys, or it may be quite a bit bigger (the test nodes had a
hard-coded datastore size of 1GB for a while; now it is configurable).

Re bandwidth, and fairness.. the main constraint is that if your node is
really slow, e.g. because you have a low bandwidth limit, then nodes
connected to your node will disconnect it in favour of "better" nodes.

On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 02:28:46PM +0100, Martin Ottehall wrote:
> Hi!
>  
> Im doing a school thing about freenet and have some quiestions.
>  
> Is there a minimum req. on how much space and bandwith you have to share?
> Whats the connection between share and recive? (I share X and can then only 
> recive X, or what?)
> More questions are to come.
>  
> Thanks in Forehand!
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[freenet-chat] Questions

2006-03-20 Thread Martin Ottehall


Hi!
 
I´m doing a school thing about freenet and have some quiestions.
 
Is there a minimum req. on how much space and bandwith you have to share?
What´s the connection between share and recive? (I share X and can then only recive X, or what?)
More questions are to come.
 
Thanks in Forehand!
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Re: [freenet-chat] questions about freenet/i2p/entropy

2005-11-03 Thread Matthew Toseland
Historically Freenet has focussed on document storage and retrieval,
whereas I2P has focussed on real time connections between nodes. That's
the obvious difference. I2P implements a form of onion routing to
protect these connections; in I2P, you construct a 3 hop tunnel from
your node to somewhere, using nodes from all over the network. Whereas
freenet's routing is more heuristic, often taking 7 or more hops, and
exclusively uses the routing table, pre-established connections,
although it is important for new connections to be established from time
to time. Both approaches have advantages, in both security and
performance; they are complementary, for the time being.

In terms of security, I2P and Freenet are completely different; I2P is a
scalable mixnet, which is inherently harvestable, meaning that an
attacker can quickly find all nodes, but in which it should be very hard
to find the originator of a connection (this is however a topic of some
dispute!). For Freenet to have really good anonymity, we will have to
add a layer of "premix routing", meaning onion routing, a la I2P, but
probably over our existing connections; this does not mean that
Freenet's anonymity right now is rubbish, but various attacks are
possible which we would like to prevent. It has been suggested to use
I2P to do this, but there are some major problems with that for example
harvestability. Freenet's anonymity as-is is probably worse than I2P's,
but Freenet is known to scale in practice to at least 10,000 nodes,
whereas I2P has maybe 300. Freenet 0.7 will have a scalable darknet F2F
option, where each node only connects to those which are explicitly added
as belonging to friends of the node operator; this can scale, because
although I only connect to my friends, they connect to theirs, and you
can span the globe pretty fast. The upshot of this is that it is not
harvestable any more, and a whole variety of attacks become much harder
and much less useful. This is intended for use in hostile environments,
such as China, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, where the internet is heavily
filtered. China does not yet do harvesting of Freenet or I2P nodes, but
it does block Freenet by other means (which rely on a misfeature which
will also be eliminated in 0.7).

Entropy, as far as I know, was a rip-off of Freenet. It even used FCP.
:) It had more or less the same goals, but used home-grown crypto
algorithms (which is *ALWAYS* a bad thing), and had a primitive routing
algorithm which suggests it probably wouldn't have scaled.

On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:20:41PM -0800, none none wrote:
> Function-wise is I2P different from Freenet and
> Entropy? If so how is it different? What are the pros
> and cons of using either Freenet and entropy? (any
> difference speed-wise?) Can I2P be used in conjuction
> with Freenet or Entropy? If so how do I set it up? I
> have done a little readingbut it was information
> over-load. And please put it in layman terms.Is
> entropy still in development? Because according to
> this link:
> http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/a/an/anonymous_p2p1.htm
> Entropy is no longer in development. thank you to all
> that replies to this. 
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[freenet-chat] questions about freenet/i2p/entropy

2005-10-31 Thread none none
Function-wise is I2P different from Freenet and
Entropy? If so how is it different? What are the pros
and cons of using either Freenet and entropy? (any
difference speed-wise?) Can I2P be used in conjuction
with Freenet or Entropy? If so how do I set it up? I
have done a little readingbut it was information
over-load. And please put it in layman terms.Is
entropy still in development? Because according to
this link:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/a/an/anonymous_p2p1.htm
Entropy is no longer in development. thank you to all
that replies to this. 



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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-09-01 Thread Toad
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:13:11PM -0400, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> > Every new endeavour is worth pursuing. If you don't pursue your dreams
> > because it might upset somebody, somewhere, at some point in the future,
> > then you might as well lay down and let life pass you by. Millions of
> > people went to war and gave their lives to preserve those freedoms -
> > don't let their efforts be in vain.
> A rousing speech, and something I'll try to take to heart. I'm not being 
> sarcastic.
> 
> But having seen http://www.eff.org/cgi/tiny?urlID=235, I think I may just try 
> this. Does anyone know more about this and what it would mean for a Freenet 
> client developer?

That URL doesn't work for me. Is that the IAAL page?
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-27 Thread Nick Tarleton
On Friday 27 August 2004 02:42 pm, Kevin Steen wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 18:19, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> > While it may be paranoid, I didn't want to risk it AT ALL (in case I
> > accidentally gave myself away, or some exploit was found in Freenet)
> > because I KNOW that I cannot POSSIBLY defend myself from OR settle a
> > major lawsuit.
>
> Most countries have legal aid to defend those who can't afford a
> high-priced lawyer - to prevent rich corporations from suing the poor
> into oblivion.
I never thought of that. Still, I have reasons not to get sued (involving the 
words "minor" and "parents" and "kill me"). And I might not win.
> Remember that, despite corporate efforts to convince everyone that they
> are guilty until proven innocent, the opposite is actually still law in
> most countries.
I know, but one still has to defend oneself.
> Every new endeavour is worth pursuing. If you don't pursue your dreams
> because it might upset somebody, somewhere, at some point in the future,
> then you might as well lay down and let life pass you by. Millions of
> people went to war and gave their lives to preserve those freedoms -
> don't let their efforts be in vain.
A rousing speech, and something I'll try to take to heart. I'm not being 
sarcastic.

But having seen http://www.eff.org/cgi/tiny?urlID=235, I think I may just try 
this. Does anyone know more about this and what it would mean for a Freenet 
client developer?

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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-27 Thread Kevin Steen
On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 18:19, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> While it may be paranoid, I didn't want to risk it AT ALL (in case I accidentally 
> gave myself away, or some exploit was found in Freenet) because I KNOW that I cannot 
> POSSIBLY defend myself from OR settle a major lawsuit.

Most countries have legal aid to defend those who can't afford a
high-priced lawyer - to prevent rich corporations from suing the poor
into oblivion.

Remember that, despite corporate efforts to convince everyone that they
are guilty until proven innocent, the opposite is actually still law in
most countries. 

Every new endeavour is worth pursuing. If you don't pursue your dreams
because it might upset somebody, somewhere, at some point in the future,
then you might as well lay down and let life pass you by. Millions of
people went to war and gave their lives to preserve those freedoms -
don't let their efforts be in vain.

-Kevin




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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-27 Thread Nick Tarleton
While it may be paranoid, I didn't want to risk it AT ALL (in case I accidentally gave 
myself away, or some exploit was found in Freenet) because I KNOW that I cannot 
POSSIBLY defend myself from OR settle a major lawsuit.

-Original Message-
From: Brian Dotson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Aug 26, 2004 4:40 PM
To: Nick Tarleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:16:00 -0400 (GMT-04:00), Nick Tarleton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd like to know a 
> couple of answers first:
> 
> 1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under current US 
> law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client?
> 2. Approximately how soon is the change to fixed-size keys expected? Approximately 
> how much would this require changing in an existing client?
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Why not code the client and release it anonymously on freenet? I
thought that was the entire point of freenet.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-25 Thread Toad
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 01:07:21PM -0400, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> Anyone who owns the copyright on something illegally distributed in Freenet. 
> Although I just realized, they couldn't prove it without seeing my datastore, for 
> which they would need a subpoena, which no judge would give them based only on the 
> fact that I run Freenet. And anyway, since I run a node on dialup (and so am 
> effectively transient), I probably wouldn't have any illegal material on my node 
> unless I request it.

That last point is wrong. ALL nodes are now used to spread the por^Wdata
and balance load. Nodes which don't accept requests for the network will
not be very useful once the rest of the network realizes this; they will
be disconnected from.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Aug 25, 2004 5:23 AM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer
> 
> On 24 Aug 2004, at 18:24, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 2004 8:04 PM, Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I hate to say it, but if you are that timid then I suggest you run a
> >> mile from Freenet and anything like it.
> >
> > Indeed, it seems I should. Running a Freenet node could easily get one 
> > sued for contributory copyright infringement.
> 
> I don't think so, who would sue you?
> 
> Ian.
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Fw: Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-25 Thread Nick Tarleton
It means I probably won't write it (I have plenty of other ideas to occupy my time), 
but may continue to use Freenet.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Aug 25, 2004 1:59 PM
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Subject: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

yes, well...does that mean you're going to write it, or not?

>Anyone who owns the copyright on something illegally distributed in Freenet. Although 
>I just realized, they couldn't prove it without seeing my datastore, for which they 
>would need a subpoena, which no judge would give them based only on the fact that I 
>run Freenet. And anyway, since I run a node on dialup (and so am effectively 
>transient), I probably wouldn't have any illegal material on my node unless I request 
>it.

-Original Message-
From: Ian Clarke 
Sent: Aug 25, 2004 5:23 AM
To: 'chat at freenetproject.org, chat at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

On 24 Aug 2004, at 18:24, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> On Aug 23, 2004 8:04 PM, Ian Clarke  wrote:
>> I hate to say it, but if you are that timid then I suggest you run a
>> mile from Freenet and anything like it.
>
> Indeed, it seems I should. Running a Freenet node could easily get one 
> sued for contributory copyright infringement.

I don't think so, who would sue you?

Ian.

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[freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-25 Thread Newsbyte



yes, well...does that mean you're going to write it, or not? >Anyone who owns the copyright on something illegally distributed in Freenet. Although I just realized, they couldn't prove it without seeing my datastore, for which they would need a subpoena, which no judge would give them based only on the fact that I run Freenet. And anyway, since I run a node on dialup (and so am effectively transient), I probably wouldn't have any illegal material on my node unless I request it.

-Original Message-
From: Ian Clarke <ian at locut.us>
Sent: Aug 25, 2004 5:23 AM
To: 'chat at freenetproject.org, chat at freenetproject.org
Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

On 24 Aug 2004, at 18:24, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> On Aug 23, 2004 8:04 PM, Ian Clarke <ian at locut.us> wrote:
>> I hate to say it, but if you are that timid then I suggest you run a
>> mile from Freenet and anything like it.
>
> Indeed, it seems I should. Running a Freenet node could easily get one 
> sued for contributory copyright infringement.

I don't think so, who would sue you?

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-25 Thread Nick Tarleton
Anyone who owns the copyright on something illegally distributed in Freenet. Although 
I just realized, they couldn't prove it without seeing my datastore, for which they 
would need a subpoena, which no judge would give them based only on the fact that I 
run Freenet. And anyway, since I run a node on dialup (and so am effectively 
transient), I probably wouldn't have any illegal material on my node unless I request 
it.

-Original Message-
From: Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Aug 25, 2004 5:23 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

On 24 Aug 2004, at 18:24, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> On Aug 23, 2004 8:04 PM, Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I hate to say it, but if you are that timid then I suggest you run a
>> mile from Freenet and anything like it.
>
> Indeed, it seems I should. Running a Freenet node could easily get one 
> sued for contributory copyright infringement.

I don't think so, who would sue you?

Ian.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-25 Thread Ian Clarke
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On Aug 23, 2004 8:04 PM, Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I hate to say it, but if you are that timid then I suggest you run a
mile from Freenet and anything like it.
Indeed, it seems I should. Running a Freenet node could easily get one 
sued for contributory copyright infringement.
I don't think so, who would sue you?
Ian.
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[freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-24 Thread Newsbyte



>Running a Freenet node could 
easily get one sued for contributory copyright infringement.
 
>"Giving aid or comfort to copyright infringers", 
maybe.
 
ermmm...the position of troll has already been taken... by 
me.  ;-)

 
 
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-24 Thread Nick Tarleton
On Aug 23, 2004 8:11 PM, Newsbyte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Maybe I'll have to wait on the INDUCE II act, though.
"Giving aid or comfort to copyright infringers", maybe.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-24 Thread Nick Tarleton
On Aug 23, 2004 8:04 PM, Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I hate to say it, but if you are that timid then I suggest you run a 
> mile from Freenet and anything like it.

Indeed, it seems I should. Running a Freenet node could easily get one sued for 
contributory copyright infringement. (It's not "timidity" or litigiophobia, just that 
I probably don't have the resources to either defend myself OR settle.)

> Unfortunately the real damage of the Induce Act would likely occur 
> during private meetings between entrepreneurs and their potential 
> investors, rather than in public court proceedings.  It won't be easy 
> for the public to see that they have been denied the next iPod if they 
> never knew that it might have existed in the first place.

Good point.
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[freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-24 Thread Newsbyte



"In short "yes", just as the answer to 
"Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that  I could get struck by lightening?" would 
also be "yes".  Could you get  sued?  Yes.  Could they win 
the suit?  Maybe, but the recent 9th  Circuit Court ruling in the 
Grokster case makes this less likely."
 
 
 
Don't forget to give me a sign when they make it 
illegal to create a wiki about Freenet.
 
;-)
 
 
 
Maybe I'll have to wait on the INDUCE II act, 
though.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-23 Thread Toad
On Mon, Aug 23, 2004 at 07:23:05PM -0400, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> On Monday 23 August 2004 04:05 pm, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > On 23 Aug 2004, at 19:16, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> > > I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd
> > > like to know a couple of answers first:
> > >
> > > 1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under
> > > current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client?
> >
> > In short "yes", just as the answer to "Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that
> > I could get struck by lightening?" would also be "yes".  Could you get
> > sued?  Yes.  Could they win the suit?  Maybe, but the recent 9th
> > Circuit Court ruling in the Grokster case makes this less likely.
> >
> > The best advice I can give is to read this:
> >
> >http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/p2p_copyright_wp.php
> 
> Uh, never mind. It seems I would have no plausible deniability, as everyone 
> knows a lot (most?) of the large file traffic on Freenet is in violation of 
> copyright. Even if this would never hold up in court, I don't want to risk 
> even getting a lawsuit threat/C&D letter.

Everyone knows most of the files shared by Grokster users were illegal.
Right? But they won the case! So the situation is clearly not that simple.
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-23 Thread Ian Clarke
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On 24 Aug 2004, at 00:23, Nick Tarleton wrote:
On Monday 23 August 2004 04:05 pm, Ian Clarke wrote:
On 23 Aug 2004, at 19:16, Nick Tarleton wrote:
I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd
like to know a couple of answers first:
1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, 
under
current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client?
In short "yes", just as the answer to "Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that
I could get struck by lightening?" would also be "yes".  Could you get
sued?  Yes.  Could they win the suit?  Maybe, but the recent 9th
Circuit Court ruling in the Grokster case makes this less likely.
The best advice I can give is to read this:
   http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/p2p_copyright_wp.php
Uh, never mind. It seems I would have no plausible deniability, as 
everyone
knows a lot (most?) of the large file traffic on Freenet is in 
violation of
copyright.
You might have, but you certainly don't after saying that on a public 
mailing list.

 Even if this would never hold up in court, I don't want to risk
even getting a lawsuit threat/C&D letter.
I hate to say it, but if you are that timid then I suggest you run a 
mile from Freenet and anything like it.

(BTW, I don't think the INDUCE Act will ever pass, and if it did, it 
wouldn't
last long - can you imagine what The Public would think if MP3 player 
makers
- big companies, not Jon Johansens - were hauled to court en masse?)
Unfortunately the real damage of the Induce Act would likely occur 
during private meetings between entrepreneurs and their potential 
investors, rather than in public court proceedings.  It won't be easy 
for the public to see that they have been denied the next iPod if they 
never knew that it might have existed in the first place.

Ian. 
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-23 Thread Nick Tarleton
On Monday 23 August 2004 04:05 pm, Ian Clarke wrote:
> On 23 Aug 2004, at 19:16, Nick Tarleton wrote:
> > I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd
> > like to know a couple of answers first:
> >
> > 1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under
> > current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client?
>
> In short "yes", just as the answer to "Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that
> I could get struck by lightening?" would also be "yes".  Could you get
> sued?  Yes.  Could they win the suit?  Maybe, but the recent 9th
> Circuit Court ruling in the Grokster case makes this less likely.
>
> The best advice I can give is to read this:
>
>http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/p2p_copyright_wp.php

Uh, never mind. It seems I would have no plausible deniability, as everyone 
knows a lot (most?) of the large file traffic on Freenet is in violation of 
copyright. Even if this would never hold up in court, I don't want to risk 
even getting a lawsuit threat/C&D letter.

(BTW, I don't think the INDUCE Act will ever pass, and if it did, it wouldn't 
last long - can you imagine what The Public would think if MP3 player makers 
- big companies, not Jon Johansens - were hauled to court en masse?)
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Re: [freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-23 Thread Ian Clarke
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On 23 Aug 2004, at 19:16, Nick Tarleton wrote:
I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd  
like to know a couple of answers first:

1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under  
current US law, for creating and publishing a Freenet client?
In short "yes", just as the answer to "Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that  
I could get struck by lightening?" would also be "yes".  Could you get  
sued?  Yes.  Could they win the suit?  Maybe, but the recent 9th  
Circuit Court ruling in the Grokster case makes this less likely.

The best advice I can give is to read this:
  http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/p2p_copyright_wp.php
Then, if you are *really* feeling enthusiastic, read the Grokster  
ruling:

   
http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/MGM_v_Grokster/ 
20040819_mgm_v_grokster_decision.pdf

And then, before you get too excited, read about the Induce Act:
  http://techlawadvisor.com/induce/
2. Approximately how soon is the change to fixed-size keys expected?  
Approximately how much would this require changing in an existing  
client?
You should direct this question to the development mailing list,  
Matthew is the person to answer it (he also reads this mailing list,  
but I suspect you will catch his attention more easily on devl, and  
this question is on-topic for that mailing list).

Ian.
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[freenet-chat] Questions from a potential client writer

2004-08-23 Thread Nick Tarleton
I'm contemplating writing a FUQID-like program for Linux/KDE, and I'd like to know a 
couple of answers first:

1. Is there ANY CHANCE AT ALL that I could get in legal trouble, under current US law, 
for creating and publishing a Freenet client?
2. Approximately how soon is the change to fixed-size keys expected? Approximately how 
much would this require changing in an existing client?
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