[Chevelle-list] Fuel Pump Brands/GPH required
Along the same lines as Larry's question. What brands of electric fuel pumps do you guys use? How do I determine the gph required for my engine (460hp+/-)? I came across complete kits at summit and at scoggin dickey. Do you guys think these are a good value for someone needing the complete system from tank to carb? http://www.sdpc2000.com/catalog/3217/products/154233/BG280-1x4-Fuel-System-Kit.htm http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=aeromotivesearchinresults=falseNtk=KeywordSearchDDS=1N=115target=egnsearch.asp Thanks! Matt At 04:43 PM 2/26/2006, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm getting ready to run new fuel line from tank to my mechanical fuel pump (Holley 110gph) to carb. Any suggestions concerning type of fuel lines to use, and what you are using to filter your fuel and placement of filter(s) would be appreciated. Also, is anybody out there insulating the fuel line coming up to the carb? Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Fuel Pump Brands/GPH required
I come from a drag racing background... It's always been thought that too much is ok... you get yourself a pump that puts out more than you think you'll need... like say a Comp140 Mallory pump, or something similar, then regulate your pressure up near the carb. Not using enough of a pump will kill you... I'd bought a big block camaro many moons ago and had run it at the drags before I'd done really even given it a good going over just to see where I was... every pass, the motor just fell on it's face at about 1000ft... turns out the guy had put some $30 electric pump on it and it couldn't keep up... bowls were dry at 1000ft... As far as line size... I'd always run -8 from the tank/pump to the regulator, then -6 to the carb. Supply was never an issue, even running up to 600hp...One thing to note though...we never ran the single inlet that splits to the dual feed on our Holleys... we ran two separate lines from the regulator, one to each bowl...I think at some point, those single/dual inlets will become a restriction. Ron Matthew Post wrote: Along the same lines as Larry's question. What brands of electric fuel pumps do you guys use? How do I determine the gph required for my engine (460hp+/-)? I came across complete kits at summit and at scoggin dickey. Do you guys think these are a good value for someone needing the complete system from tank to carb? http://www.sdpc2000.com/catalog/3217/products/154233/BG280-1x4-Fuel-System-Kit.htm http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=aeromotivesearchinresults=falseNtk=KeywordSearchDDS=1N=115target=egnsearch.asp http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=aeromotivesearchinresults=falseNtk=KeywordSearchDDS=1N=115target=egnsearch.aspThanks! Matt At 04:43 PM 2/26/2006, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm getting ready to run new fuel line from tank to my mechanical fuel pump (Holley 110gph) to carb. Any suggestions concerning type of fuel lines to use, and what you are using to filter your fuel and placement of filter(s) would be appreciated. Also, is anybody out there insulating the fuel line coming up to the carb? Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Fuel Pump Brands/GPH required
Thanks Ron. From what you're saying, it sounds like 150gph should be more than enough. The BG280 is probably overkill. I was thinking about using a regulator with a bypass, so these kits might not be the way to go. It looks like they come with a basic 2-port regulator. What about brands? Any opinions on which have the best reliability? Or brands to stay away from? Thanks, Matt At 09:27 AM 2/27/2006, Ron Zeppin wrote: I come from a drag racing background... It's always been thought that too much is ok... you get yourself a pump that puts out more than you think you'll need... like say a Comp140 Mallory pump, or something similar, then regulate your pressure up near the carb. Not using enough of a pump will kill you... I'd bought a big block camaro many moons ago and had run it at the drags before I'd done really even given it a good going over just to see where I was... every pass, the motor just fell on it's face at about 1000ft... turns out the guy had put some $30 electric pump on it and it couldn't keep up... bowls were dry at 1000ft... As far as line size... I'd always run -8 from the tank/pump to the regulator, then -6 to the carb. Supply was never an issue, even running up to 600hp...One thing to note though...we never ran the single inlet that splits to the dual feed on our Holleys... we ran two separate lines from the regulator, one to each bowl...I think at some point, those single/dual inlets will become a restriction. Ron Matthew Post wrote: Along the same lines as Larry's question. What brands of electric fuel pumps do you guys use? How do I determine the gph required for my engine (460hp+/-)? I came across complete kits at summit and at scoggin dickey. Do you guys think these are a good value for someone needing the complete system from tank to carb? http://www.sdpc2000.com/catalog/3217/products/154233/BG280-1x4-Fuel-System-Kit.htm http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=aeromotivesearchinresults=falseNtk=KeywordSearchDDS=1N=115target=egnsearch.asp http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=aeromotivesearchinresults=falseNtk=KeywordSearchDDS=1N=115target=egnsearch.aspThanks! Matt At 04:43 PM 2/26/2006, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm getting ready to run new fuel line from tank to my mechanical fuel pump (Holley 110gph) to carb. Any suggestions concerning type of fuel lines to use, and what you are using to filter your fuel and placement of filter(s) would be appreciated. Also, is anybody out there insulating the fuel line coming up to the carb? Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] Fuel Pump Brands/GPH required
Hi Matt... It doesn't sound like you have a motor set on KILL, so I believe a 140gph pump should be plenty. All we'd used in racing was a holley 'blue' regulator...fuel entered from the bottom and exited from both sides... one side went to one bowl, other side to the other bowl. keeps the plumbing very simple. A bypass regulator would work fine also, but I believe is a bit more plumbing. As far as brands go... you can't really go wrong with any of the main stream brands... Holley, BG, Mallory, etc, etc... The choices these days are amazing... I remember back in the 80's... it was Holley... that was pretty much it for a quality electric pump. It was almost impossible to walk through the pits at a drag race and find a car (with a carb) that didn't have a Holley blue pump... Now it like walking through the isles at your grocery store and trying to figure out what brand of laundry detergent you'd like to buy! Ron Matthew Post wrote: Thanks Ron. From what you're saying, it sounds like 150gph should be more than enough. The BG280 is probably overkill. I was thinking about using a regulator with a bypass, so these kits might not be the way to go. It looks like they come with a basic 2-port regulator. What about brands? Any opinions on which have the best reliability? Or brands to stay away from? Thanks, Matt At 09:27 AM 2/27/2006, Ron Zeppin wrote: I come from a drag racing background... It's always been thought that too much is ok... you get yourself a pump that puts out more than you think you'll need... like say a Comp140 Mallory pump, or something similar, then regulate your pressure up near the carb. Not using enough of a pump will kill you... I'd bought a big block camaro many moons ago and had run it at the drags before I'd done really even given it a good going over just to see where I was... every pass, the motor just fell on it's face at about 1000ft... turns out the guy had put some $30 electric pump on it and it couldn't keep up... bowls were dry at 1000ft... As far as line size... I'd always run -8 from the tank/pump to the regulator, then -6 to the carb. Supply was never an issue, even running up to 600hp...One thing to note though...we never ran the single inlet that splits to the dual feed on our Holleys... we ran two separate lines from the regulator, one to each bowl...I think at some point, those single/dual inlets will become a restriction. Ron Matthew Post wrote: Along the same lines as Larry's question. What brands of electric fuel pumps do you guys use? How do I determine the gph required for my engine (460hp+/-)? I came across complete kits at summit and at scoggin dickey. Do you guys think these are a good value for someone needing the complete system from tank to carb? http://www.sdpc2000.com/catalog/3217/products/154233/BG280-1x4-Fuel-System-Kit.htm http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=aeromotivesearchinresults=falseNtk=KeywordSearchDDS=1N=115target=egnsearch.asp http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=aeromotivesearchinresults=falseNtk=KeywordSearchDDS=1N=115target=egnsearch.aspThanks! Matt At 04:43 PM 2/26/2006, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm getting ready to run new fuel line from tank to my mechanical fuel pump (Holley 110gph) to carb. Any suggestions concerning type of fuel lines to use, and what you are using to filter your fuel and placement of filter(s) would be appreciated. Also, is anybody out there insulating the fuel line coming up to the carb? Thanks, Larry Shouse
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LOL..no it's not set on KILL. Thanks for the advice. You are right, the number of choices now is pretty amazing. I'll stick to something fairly conservative. Matt At 10:04 AM 2/27/2006, Ron Zeppin wrote: Hi Matt... It doesn't sound like you have a motor set on KILL, so I believe a 140gph pump should be plenty. All we'd used in racing was a holley 'blue' regulator...fuel entered from the bottom and exited from both sides... one side went to one bowl, other side to the other bowl. keeps the plumbing very simple. A bypass regulator would work fine also, but I believe is a bit more plumbing. As far as brands go... you can't really go wrong with any of the main stream brands... Holley, BG, Mallory, etc, etc... The choices these days are amazing... I remember back in the 80's... it was Holley... that was pretty much it for a quality electric pump. It was almost impossible to walk through the pits at a drag race and find a car (with a carb) that didn't have a Holley blue pump... Now it like walking through the isles at your grocery store and trying to figure out what brand of laundry detergent you'd like to buy! Ron Matthew Post wrote: Thanks Ron. From what you're saying, it sounds like 150gph should be more than enough. The BG280 is probably overkill. I was thinking about using a regulator with a bypass, so these kits might not be the way to go. It looks like they come with a basic 2-port regulator. What about brands? Any opinions on which have the best reliability? Or brands to stay away from? Thanks, Matt At 09:27 AM 2/27/2006, Ron Zeppin wrote: I come from a drag racing background... It's always been thought that too much is ok... you get yourself a pump that puts out more than you think you'll need... like say a Comp140 Mallory pump, or something similar, then regulate your pressure up near the carb. Not using enough of a pump will kill you... I'd bought a big block camaro many moons ago and had run it at the drags before I'd done really even given it a good going over just to see where I was... every pass, the motor just fell on it's face at about 1000ft... turns out the guy had put some $30 electric pump on it and it couldn't keep up... bowls were dry at 1000ft... As far as line size... I'd always run -8 from the tank/pump to the regulator, then -6 to the carb. Supply was never an issue, even running up to 600hp...One thing to note though...we never ran the single inlet that splits to the dual feed on our Holleys... we ran two separate lines from the regulator, one to each bowl...I think at some point, those single/dual inlets will become a restriction. Ron Matthew Post wrote: Along the same lines as Larry's question. What brands of electric fuel pumps do you guys use? How do I determine the gph required for my engine (460hp+/-)? I came across complete kits at summit and at scoggin dickey. Do you guys think these are a good value for someone needing the complete system from tank to carb? http://www.sdpc2000.com/catalog/3217/products/154233/BG280-1x4-Fuel-System-Kit.htm http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=aeromotivesearchinresults=falseNtk=KeywordSearchDDS=1N=115target=egnsearch.asp http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=aeromotivesearchinresults=falseNtk=KeywordSearchDDS=1N=115target=egnsearch.aspThanks! Matt At 04:43 PM 2/26/2006, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm getting ready to run new fuel line from tank to my mechanical fuel pump (Holley 110gph) to carb. Any suggestions concerning type of fuel lines to use, and what you are using to filter your fuel and placement of filter(s) would be appreciated. Also, is anybody out there insulating the fuel line coming up to the carb? Thanks, Larry Shouse
Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2
If you're running a quadrajet, there is a small seal at the filter in the carb. It is meant to keep fuel to the carb when not running. With age, it tends to let the gas flow back to the tank and you have to pump a lot to get fuel back to the engine. Brian From: Ron Malespin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:24:26 -0600 That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal. My 67 Malibu has started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few days. It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started. I never have any running or restarting issues after that. It starts right up with no pumping until it has sat for quite awhile. Ron M. - Original Message - From: Dan McIntoshmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing Listmailto:Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2 Well guys, After school today, I removed the fuel pump from the motor, then took off the back plate so I could inspect the push rod. Everything with the pushrod looked good, and I stuck it in the hole and had the wife crank the motor while I pushed on it with my finger. It moved back and forth following the cam lobe, about 1/2 of an inch. Does this seem correct? While I was at it, I blew air through the tank to pump line, until I heard air bubbling in the gas tank. So I'm assuming that line is free of obstructions. Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal to get the car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps, after sitting for a few days, that is. Also, nobody around here seems to stock the pump that I need, in fact, the young kid at Auto Zone pulled it up on his computer and then brought out an electric inline pump. When I pointed to the box, and told him mine looked like the mechanical pump pictured, he said, let me ask this guy referring to a co-worker, who's response was, I think that's an EGR valve So I'm going to NAPA tomorrow in hopes of them having one, if they don't, I'll be on my way to Summit Racing for the Holley pump. - Original Message - From: Krister Meistermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing Listmailto:Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.netmailto:Chevelle-list@chevelles.net ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? Dan, Maybe your signature tag line came true. - Hope things work out! Krister At 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote: I have no clue what I screwed up this time. Dan McIntosh 1963 Impala SS Convertible HOP IT TILL IT BREAKS ^^ Looks like you did G. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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Brian is correct. I had this same problem on my Quadrajet. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Brian Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're running a quadrajet, there is a small seal at the filter in the carb. It is meant to keep fuel to the carb when not running. With age, it tends to let the gas flow back to the tank and you have to pump a lot to get fuel back to the engine. Brian From: Ron Malespin [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal. My 67 Malibu has started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few days. It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started. I never have any running or restarting issues after that. It starts right up with no pumping until it has sat for quite awhile. Ron M.
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Wouldn't a worn needle and seat cause this as well? I had issues with this years ago in my '56 Chevy pickup. -- Shawn Price Network Team Lead Technology Solutions Morrison Homes 404-427-8229 On Aug 2, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Clint Hooper wrote: Brian is correct. I had this same problem on my Quadrajet. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Brian Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're running a quadrajet, there is a small seal at the filter in the carb. It is meant to keep fuel to the carb when not running. With age, it tends to let the gas flow back to the tank and you have to pump a lot to get fuel back to the engine. Brian From: Ron Malespin [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal. My 67 Malibu has started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few days. It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started. I never have any running or restarting issues after that. It starts right up with no pumping until it has sat for quite awhile. Ron M.
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I can see 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal in some cases, but I don't think I need more than two in any case. I don't think I could crank the car to get 15 pumps of the gas pedal without it starting long long before I could get that far. When the car has sat for a week or longer, it takes a few cranks and pumps of the pedal, but after sitting overnight it never needs more than one pump, and if sitting for a few hours it starts without a pump and in the first revolution of the engine. I would think a check of your fuel and spark systems would be in order if you need more than 3 or 4 pumps of the gas pedal to get started in all but the worst conditions. When my fuel pump went out two years ago, the car started and drove just fine, and then it flat out died in the street on the way home from work one day. The pushrod was fine. Something internal on the pump failed, but luckily no gas ended up in the oil pan. You might want to change the oil just to be safe, with starter fluid being used and the possibility of gas getting into the oil if the pump failed internally. Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) '66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFG R1 '67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | F-Body Brakes | 275/40/17 Kumho MX From: Ron Malespin [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal. My 67 Malibu has started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few days. It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started. I never have any running or restarting issues after that. It starts right up with no pumping until it has sat for quite awhile. - Original Message - From: Dan McIntoshmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal to get the car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps, after sitting for a few days, that is.
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Thanks for the discussion guys. This is a great site! I have an Edelbrock performer series carburetor. Out of curiosity I called the Edelbrock techs. He said that the fuel is most likely evaporating. I have a hard time believing that because it didn't do it when I first got the car. I have an inline filter with a movable interior that was dry after the car had sat for a couple days. Is it meant to hold the fuel in the line when the engine is off? If so it might just be a simple in line fuel filter replacement. - Original Message - From: Shawn Price To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2 Wouldn't a worn needle and seat cause this as well? I had issues with this years ago in my '56 Chevy pickup.--Shawn PriceNetwork Team LeadTechnology SolutionsMorrison Homes404-427-8229On Aug 2, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Clint Hooper wrote: Brian is correct. I had this same problem on my Quadrajet. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: "Brian Knight" [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're running a quadrajet, there is a small seal at the filter in the carb. It is meant to keep fuel to the carb when not running. With age, it tends to let the gas flow back to the tank and you have to pump a lot to get fuel back to the engine. Brian From: "Ron Malespin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal. My 67 Malibu has started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few days. It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started. I never have any running or restarting issues after that. It starts right up with no pumping until it has sat for quite awhile. Ron M.
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Have you checked the carb float level ? Mike Wagner -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Waller Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:52 AM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2 I can see 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal in some cases, but I don't think I need more than two in any case. I don't think I could crank the car to get 15 pumps of the gas pedal without it starting long long before I could get that far. When the car has sat for a week or longer, it takes a few cranks and pumps of the pedal, but after sitting overnight it never needs more than one pump, and if sitting for a few hours it starts without a pump and in the first revolution of the engine. I would think a check of your fuel and spark systems would be in order if you need more than 3 or 4 pumps of the gas pedal to get started in all but the worst conditions. When my fuel pump went out two years ago, the car started and drove just fine, and then it flat out died in the street on the way home from work one day. The pushrod was fine. Something internal on the pump failed, but luckily no gas ended up in the oil pan. You might want to change the oil just to be safe, with starter fluid being used and the possibility of gas getting into the oil if the pump failed internally. Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) '66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFG R1 '67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | F-Body Brakes | 275/40/17 Kumho MX From: Ron Malespin [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's interesting to hear about pumping the pedal. My 67 Malibu has started doing the same thing in the last year after it sits for a few days. It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started. I never have any running or restarting issues after that. It starts right up with no pumping until it has sat for quite awhile. - Original Message - From: Dan McIntoshmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal to get the car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps, after sitting for a few days, that is.
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Thanks Mike. You just reminded me about what is (or can be) the secret trick for this. Sometimes the floats get hung up and you just have to rap the side of the carb with a couple of good shots. This is particularly common with a brand new carb that may have been turned upside down at some point during shipping. You can always open up the carb as well to see if the floats are moving freely. HTH, John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Wagner Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2 Have you checked the carb float level ? Mike Wagner
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dan i'd pull the fuel pump and make sure there isnt a problem with the pump push rod, it may have broken Bill Bradley67 MalibuEdmond Oklahomahttp://www.cardomain.com/ride/1649723 - Original Message - From: Dan McIntosh To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net ; impala list ; Curt Ballsrud Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? Hi all, today I was out driving the 63, and it started feeling like it had no power, bogging out and stuff, until it finally died on the side of the road. I had the wife bring me starting fluid, at which point it ran until the fluid dissipated. I took the line off the carb, removed the filter from the carb, and cranked the motor, no fuel shot out. So I sent her to get some gas, and dumped 5 gallons into the car (dunno the status of the gauge, it was reading half, and it seemed to work before) Shot it with the starting fluid, and it cranked right over. I drove it for about 2 minutes, then it did it again. Got out, sprayed the fluid, and started it up, I'd go to rev it up, it would die. Finally, it started back up, and ran the 35 seconds it took to get to my driveway. Also, there's a strange "knocking" noise from the motor that wasn't there before, not as loud as a rod knock, but not as quiet as a lifter tick. I don't know if this is coincidental or not. Any ideas? Thank you. Dan McIntosh1963 Impala SS ConvertibleRollerz Only C.C.http://www.lowriderimpala.com
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Thanks guys, I'll pull the pump tomorrow after work and see what I find. Dan McIntosh1963 Impala SS Convertible"HOP IT TILL IT BREAKS"Street Metal Fabricationshttp://www.lowriderimpala.com - Original Message - From: Bill Bradley To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? dan i'd pull the fuel pump and make sure there isnt a problem with the pump push rod, it may have broken Bill Bradley67 MalibuEdmond Oklahomahttp://www.cardomain.com/ride/1649723 - Original Message - From: Dan McIntosh To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net ; impala list ; Curt Ballsrud Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? Hi all, today I was out driving the 63, and it started feeling like it had no power, bogging out and stuff, until it finally died on the side of the road. I had the wife bring me starting fluid, at which point it ran until the fluid dissipated. I took the line off the carb, removed the filter from the carb, and cranked the motor, no fuel shot out. So I sent her to get some gas, and dumped 5 gallons into the car (dunno the status of the gauge, it was reading half, and it seemed to work before) Shot it with the starting fluid, and it cranked right over. I drove it for about 2 minutes, then it did it again. Got out, sprayed the fluid, and started it up, I'd go to rev it up, it would die. Finally, it started back up, and ran the 35 seconds it took to get to my driveway. Also, there's a strange "knocking" noise from the motor that wasn't there before, not as loud as a rod knock, but not as quiet as a lifter tick. I don't know if this is coincidental or not. Any ideas? Thank you. Dan McIntosh1963 Impala SS ConvertibleRollerz Only C.C.http://www.lowriderimpala.com
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Dan, I would say your fuel pump is bad. Check the fuel pump rod also. Matt - Original Message - From: Dan McIntosh To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net ; impala list ; Curt Ballsrud Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:31 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? Hi all, today I was out driving the 63, and it started feeling like it had no power, bogging out and stuff, until it finally died on the side of the road. I had the wife bring me starting fluid, at which point it ran until the fluid dissipated. I took the line off the carb, removed the filter from the carb, and cranked the motor, no fuel shot out. So I sent her to get some gas, and dumped 5 gallons into the car (dunno the status of the gauge, it was reading half, and it seemed to work before) Shot it with the starting fluid, and it cranked right over. I drove it for about 2 minutes, then it did it again. Got out, sprayed the fluid, and started it up, I'd go to rev it up, it would die. Finally, it started back up, and ran the 35 seconds it took to get to my driveway. Also, there's a strange "knocking" noise from the motor that wasn't there before, not as loud as a rod knock, but not as quiet as a lifter tick. I don't know if this is coincidental or not. Any ideas? Thank you. Dan McIntosh1963 Impala SS ConvertibleRollerz Only C.C.http://www.lowriderimpala.com No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 07/28/2005
Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb?
Any chance you lost oil pressure from being in weird angles? I know that can happen with 4X4's going on steep angles. In any case, I have seen these competitions where they try to out "hop" each other and totally destroy the vehicle before it's over. Seems counter productive to me. I'd say be prepared for a whole lot more of this kind of troubles, and maybe worse. Break an A-frame or weaken some steering linkage and things could get interesting on the freeway. - Original Message - From: To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: 7/31/2005 11:26:06 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? The knocking noise was going on when I started it up today, before the stalling problem, almost sounds like it's from the carb. Remember, the front of my car bounces 30-40 inches in the air, so strange thing could happen. Now that I think about it, I was hopping it hard last time I drove it, and when I restarted it, it sounded funny, but I disregarded it thinking maybe I cracked an exhaust manifold or something, never checked it out though. I only had to drive it a few seconds to get it home after the hopping last time. I have no clue what I screwed up this time. Dan McIntosh1963 Impala SS Convertible"HOP IT TILL IT BREAKS"Street Metal Fabricationshttp://www.lowriderimpala.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? Hi Dan, sounds like you've got a fuel pump that's N.G. The knocking noise is could be fromtoo much starting fluid. That stuff can ruin an engine. I hope, for your sake, that is not the case here. Good Luck, Jimmie
Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb?
Dan, Maybe your signature tag line came true. - Hope things work out! Krister At 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote: I have no clue what I screwed up this time. Dan McIntosh 1963 Impala SS Convertible HOP IT TILL IT BREAKS ^^ Looks like you did G.
[Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2
Well guys, After school today, I removed the fuel pump from the motor, then took off the back plate so I could inspect the push rod. Everything with the pushrod looked good, and I stuck it in the hole and had the wife crank the motor while I pushed on it with my finger. It moved back and forth following the cam lobe, about 1/2 of an inch. Does this seem correct? While I was at it, I blew air through the "tank to pump" line, until I heard air bubbling in the gas tank. So I'm assuming that line is free of obstructions. Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps of the pedal to get the car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps, after sitting for a few days, that is. Also, nobody around here seems to stock the pump that I need, in fact, the young kid at Auto Zone pulled it up on his computer and then brought out an electric inline pump. When I pointed to the box, and told him mine looked like the mechanical pump pictured, he said, "let me ask this guy" referring to a co-worker, who's response was, "I think that's an EGR valve" So I'm going to NAPA tomorrow in hopes of them having one, if they don't, I'll be on my way to Summit Racing for the Holley pump. - Original Message - From: Krister Meister To: The Chevelle Mailing List Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? Dan,Maybe your signature tag line came true.- Hope things work out!KristerAt 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote:I have no clue what I screwed up this time.Dan McIntosh1963 Impala SS Convertible"HOP IT TILL IT BREAKS""^^" Looks like you did G.
Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2
Yep, the classic signs of a bad fuel pump
alright. The knocking you heard I bet was carbon that was knocked loose
using starter fluid. I had a similar noise on my 63 after using starter
fluid, the knock went away.
- Original Message -
From:
Dan
McIntosh
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:30
PM
Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or
carb part 2
Well guys,
After school today, I removed the fuel pump from
the motor, then took off the back plate so I could inspect the push
rod.
Everything with the pushrod looked good, and I
stuck it in the hole and had the wife crank the motor while I pushed on it
with my finger. It moved back and forth following the cam lobe, about
1/2 of an inch. Does this seem correct?
While I was at it, I blew air through the "tank
to pump" line, until I heard air bubbling in the gas tank. So I'm assuming
that line is free of obstructions.
Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps
of the pedal to get the car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps,
after sitting for a few days, that is.
Also, nobody around here seems to stock the pump
that I need, in fact, the young kid at Auto Zone pulled it up on his computer
and then brought out an electric inline pump. When I pointed to the box,
and told him mine looked like the mechanical pump pictured, he said, "let me
ask this guy" referring to a co-worker, who's response was, "I think that's an
EGR valve"
So I'm going to NAPA tomorrow in hopes of them
having one, if they don't, I'll be on my way to Summit Racing for the Holley
pump.
- Original Message -
From:
Krister Meister
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net ;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:40
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump
or carb?
Dan,Maybe your signature tag line
came true.- Hope things work
out!KristerAt 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you
wrote:I have no clue what I screwed up this time.Dan
McIntosh1963 Impala SS Convertible"HOP IT TILL IT
BREAKS""^^" Looks like you did
G.
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Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2
I would suggest getting the Holley
pump. Better quality in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.
Matt
- Original Message -
From:
Dan
McIntosh
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 8:30
PM
Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or
carb part 2
Well guys,
After school today, I removed the fuel pump from
the motor, then took off the back plate so I could inspect the push
rod.
Everything with the pushrod looked good, and I
stuck it in the hole and had the wife crank the motor while I pushed on it
with my finger. It moved back and forth following the cam lobe, about
1/2 of an inch. Does this seem correct?
While I was at it, I blew air through the "tank
to pump" line, until I heard air bubbling in the gas tank. So I'm assuming
that line is free of obstructions.
Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps
of the pedal to get the car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps,
after sitting for a few days, that is.
Also, nobody around here seems to stock the pump
that I need, in fact, the young kid at Auto Zone pulled it up on his computer
and then brought out an electric inline pump. When I pointed to the box,
and told him mine looked like the mechanical pump pictured, he said, "let me
ask this guy" referring to a co-worker, who's response was, "I think that's an
EGR valve"
So I'm going to NAPA tomorrow in hopes of them
having one, if they don't, I'll be on my way to Summit Racing for the Holley
pump.
- Original Message -
From:
Krister Meister
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net ;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:40
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump
or carb?
Dan,Maybe your signature tag line
came true.- Hope things work
out!KristerAt 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you
wrote:I have no clue what I screwed up this time.Dan
McIntosh1963 Impala SS Convertible"HOP IT TILL IT
BREAKS""^^" Looks like you did
G.
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Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb part 2
Thats interesting to hear about pumping the pedal. My 67 Malibu has
started doing the same thing in the last yearafter it sits for a few
days. It takes about 15 pumps on the gas to get it started. I never
have any running or restarting issues after that. It starts right up with
no pumping until it has sat for quite awhile.
Ron M.
- Original Message -
From: Dan McIntosh
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:30
PM
Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or
carb part 2
Well guys,
After school today, I removed the fuel pump from
the motor, then took off the back plate so I could inspect the push
rod.
Everything with the pushrod looked good, and I
stuck it in the hole and had the wife crank the motor while I pushed on it
with my finger. It moved back and forth following the cam lobe, about
1/2 of an inch. Does this seem correct?
While I was at it, I blew air through the "tank
to pump" line, until I heard air bubbling in the gas tank. So I'm assuming
that line is free of obstructions.
Looking back, it used to take only 3 or 4 pumps
of the pedal to get the car started, lately it has been taking 40-50 pumps,
after sitting for a few days, that is.
Also, nobody around here seems to stock the pump
that I need, in fact, the young kid at Auto Zone pulled it up on his computer
and then brought out an electric inline pump. When I pointed to the box,
and told him mine looked like the mechanical pump pictured, he said, "let me
ask this guy" referring to a co-worker, who's response was, "I think that's an
EGR valve"
So I'm going to NAPA tomorrow in hopes of them
having one, if they don't, I'll be on my way to Summit Racing for the Holley
pump.
- Original Message -
From:
Krister Meister
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Cc: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net ;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:40
PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump
or carb?
Dan,Maybe your signature tag line
came true.- Hope things work
out!KristerAt 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you
wrote:I have no clue what I screwed up this time.Dan
McIntosh1963 Impala SS Convertible"HOP IT TILL IT
BREAKS""^^" Looks like you did
G.
[Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb?
Hi all, today I was out driving the 63, and it started feeling like it had no power, bogging out and stuff, until it finally died on the side of the road. I had the wife bring me starting fluid, at which point it ran until the fluid dissipated. I took the line off the carb, removed the filter from the carb, and cranked the motor, no fuel shot out. So I sent her to get some gas, and dumped 5 gallons into the car (dunno the status of the gauge, it was reading half, and it seemed to work before) Shot it with the starting fluid, and it cranked right over. I drove it for about 2 minutes, then it did it again. Got out, sprayed the fluid, and started it up, I'd go to rev it up, it would die. Finally, it started back up, and ran the 35 seconds it took to get to my driveway. Also, there's a strange "knocking" noise from the motor that wasn't there before, not as loud as a rod knock, but not as quiet as a lifter tick. I don't know if this is coincidental or not. Any ideas? Thank you. Dan McIntosh1963 Impala SS ConvertibleRollerz Only C.C.http://www.lowriderimpala.com
Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb?
Hi Dan, sounds like you've got a fuel pump that's N.G. The knocking noise is could be from too much starting fluid. That stuff can ruin an engine. I hope, for your sake, that is not the case here. Good Luck, Jimmie
Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb?
The knocking noise was going on when I started it up today, before the stalling problem, almost sounds like it's from the carb. Remember, the front of my car bounces 30-40 inches in the air, so strange thing could happen. Now that I think about it, I was hopping it hard last time I drove it, and when I restarted it, it sounded funny, but I disregarded it thinking maybe I cracked an exhaust manifold or something, never checked it out though. I only had to drive it a few seconds to get it home after the hopping last time. I have no clue what I screwed up this time. Dan McIntosh1963 Impala SS Convertible"HOP IT TILL IT BREAKS"Street Metal Fabricationshttp://www.lowriderimpala.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? Hi Dan, sounds like you've got a fuel pump that's N.G. The knocking noise is could be fromtoo much starting fluid. That stuff can ruin an engine. I hope, for your sake, that is not the case here. Good Luck, Jimmie
Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb?
At 10:29 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote: I have no clue what I screwed up this time. Dan McIntosh 1963 Impala SS Convertible HOP IT TILL IT BREAKS ^^ Looks like you did G.
Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb?
It sounds like a timing belt/chain issue. I could be wrong but it sounds like all of the symptoms. Ron - Original Message - From: Dan McIntosh To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net ; impala list ; Curt Ballsrud Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? Hi all, today I was out driving the 63, and it started feeling like it had no power, bogging out and stuff, until it finally died on the side of the road. I had the wife bring me starting fluid, at which point it ran until the fluid dissipated. I took the line off the carb, removed the filter from the carb, and cranked the motor, no fuel shot out. So I sent her to get some gas, and dumped 5 gallons into the car (dunno the status of the gauge, it was reading half, and it seemed to work before) Shot it with the starting fluid, and it cranked right over. I drove it for about 2 minutes, then it did it again. Got out, sprayed the fluid, and started it up, I'd go to rev it up, it would die. Finally, it started back up, and ran the 35 seconds it took to get to my driveway. Also, there's a strange "knocking" noise from the motor that wasn't there before, not as loud as a rod knock, but not as quiet as a lifter tick. I don't know if this is coincidental or not. Any ideas? Thank you. Dan McIntosh1963 Impala SS ConvertibleRollerz Only C.C.http://www.lowriderimpala.com
RE: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb?
Timing chain wouldnt run with just fuel in the carb then quit when fuel ran out, itd either run very rough or not at all. Dont know if someone suggested fuel pump and/or fuel pump rod. No pressure from the pump and Ive had fuel pump rods break making a hell of a noise. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1967 ChevelleReference CD beta now available! ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Malespin Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:29 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? It sounds like a timing belt/chain issue. I could be wrong but it sounds like all of the symptoms. Ron - Original Message - From: Dan McIntosh To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net ; impala list ; Curt Ballsrud Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] fuel pump or carb? Hi all, today I was out driving the 63, and it started feeling like it had no power, bogging out and stuff, until it finally died on the side of the road. I had the wife bring me starting fluid, at which point it ran until the fluid dissipated. I took the line off the carb, removed the filter from the carb, and cranked the motor, no fuel shot out. So I sent her to get some gas, and dumped 5 gallons into the car (dunno the status of the gauge, it was reading half, and it seemed to work before) Shot it with the starting fluid, and it cranked right over. I drove it for about 2 minutes, then it did it again. Got out, sprayed the fluid, and started it up, I'd go to rev it up, it would die. Finally, it started back up, and ran the 35 seconds it took to get to my driveway. Also, there's a strange knocking noise from the motor that wasn't there before, not as loud as a rod knock, but not as quiet as a lifter tick. I don't know if this is coincidental or not. Any ideas? Thank you. Dan McIntosh 1963 Impala SS Convertible Rollerz Only C.C. http://www.lowriderimpala.com
[Chevelle-List] Fuel pump
Does anyone know if a mechanical fuel pump can draw fuel through an electric fuel pump while the electric pump is not running? The reason I ask is because I want to install an electric pump inline with my mechanical pump but only use the electric pump to force feed the mechanical pump while drag racing. During normal driving the electric pump will be turned off and the mechanical pump will supply the engine, that is if the electric pump isn't going to be a major restriction while off. Thanks. cYa- Herb Lumpp1966 El CaminoACES 3509, MCC 528http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/
Re: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump
Hey Herb... Yes it will. I use to run this setup awhile back. The electric pump was on a toggle switch and I only used the electric pump to keep fuel to the mechanical pump when I thought it would need it. When the electric pump finally gave out, I didnt remove it from the car until last year (10 years later). Car didnt seem to run any different. If you see the early pics of my trunk (still on my web site), you will see the setup. Donnie
Re: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump
Cool thanks! cYa- Herb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump Hey Herb... Yes it will. I use to run this setup awhile back. The electric pump was on a toggle switch and I only used the electric pump to keep fuel to the mechanical pump when I thought it would need it. When the electric pump finally gave out, I didnt remove it from the car until last year (10 years later). Car didnt seem to run any different. If you see the early pics of my trunk (still on my web site), you will see the setup.Donnie
Re: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump
correct - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump wouldn't it be good if the car cranked over a bit before starting- after sitting for a while- this would allow the oil pressure to get up a little bit before it fires?? less wear on the engine?? after a winter of sitting i will usually pull my plugs, squirt a little oil in each cyl, turn it over till i have oil pressure, reinstall the plugs, then fire it up!! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wouldn't it be good if the car cranked over a bit before starting- after sitting for a while- this would allow the oil pressure to get up a little bit before it fires?? less wear on the engine?? after a winter of sitting i will usually pull my plugs, squirt a little oil in each cyl, turn it over till i have oil pressure, reinstall the plugs, then fire it up!! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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just pull the coil wires she spin all day
Re: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump
James With plugs in- the motor still makes compression. Battery wont turn forever it will run down. Pull the plugs and then you will turn over easy and fast and make oil pressure real quick. Jason Boivin http://home.wizard.org/twchevelle/ - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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when my car sits up fore like three month, s i replace the oil charge the battery, pull the coil wire, or unclip the red wire on a hei ignition, use the starter to prime the engine, but never more then 10 second's between cranks but i find twice, is enough make sure your gas has not turn to turpentine, check the air in the tires look for and leak, s, which might suggest an over all fuild check is in order then go driven. the great thing about a chevelle, when you restore from the ground up you can drive with confidence very dependable auto
RE: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump
Thanks James. I a, in the middle of a "frame off" I never started the car since I bought it. I am putting the 402 I bought in to be rebuilt now. I am just trying to plan for the future when I let it sit for a month or two in between starts. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:51 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] feul pumphey Steve in order to have a eltric pump in the tank you need a special tank one with baffle's in it, if you put an inline in they are very noisy, , i think you might have a problem with the carb, maybe an internal leak which drain your bowl, do you foul maybe two back plugs more then the other's, any that what my elky does what your did, also check your fuel line, make sure they haven't corroded where they mount to the frame or are they plug up or even big enough for the job, hope this help's james
Re: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump
Steve, A mechanical fuel pump will do just fine. There are times where my 70 will go for a month (or longer) without even being cranked over. Two pumps of the gas and it fires right off every time without fail. My other 70 (yep I got 2 of them) was sitting for almost a year without cranking over and also fired right off with a few pumps and a little gas dumped down the carb. If there wasn't still 6" of snow on the ground I would take the blue one out for a ride. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump pushrod / guide?
Hi Bill, 1) Whether it's true or not, I never heard of that and I never worried about which end went in the block first. 2) I've built many many small blocks over the years, and not once was there a nylon guide for the fuel pump pushrod. 3) The hole in the block should be just big enough for the fuel pump pushrod to slide in and out. If there's enough room for the ring you describe to fit in the hole, then it sounds like the block is wasted unless it can be bushed but I never heard of anyone installing a bushing in the fuel pump rod hole. All is not lost, you can always block off the mechanical pump mount and use an electric fuel pump. cYa- Herb Lumpp 1966 El Camino, LS6, 6 spd, Currie 9 ACES 3509, MCC 528 http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/ - Original Message - From: Bill Bruyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump pushrod / guide? 1) A guy told me way back in the day that the ends of that pushrod are different, even though you can't really see it with the naked eye, and that if you got it turned around backward, you could have big trouble. True or false? 2) Now, the reason for the post. I removed the mounting plate and found a plastic / vinyl ring, looking suspiciously like some kind of guide for that pushrod, stuck to the inside of the plate. I don't see this ring in any diagram, so what gives? The hole in the block is slightly bigger than the outside diameter of the ring - is that hole tapered? i.e., am I supposed to press the guide (if that is, in fact, what I'm looking at) in that hole, or is it just supposed to stay on the end of the pushrod? Or do I have bigger problems? - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump pushrod / guide?
can you even get the fuel pump in OVER the pushrod?? Um.. Why yes you can. 8) How do I know? I did it myself at the age of 15 a long while back. I didn't know to hold the rod up and proceeded bolting on the pump. Needless to say it didn't work to well or should I say not at all. It did however bend the pushrod in the process. New rod and rebolt and that 283 was good to go G JD - Original Message - From: Bill Bruyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump pushrod / guide? Thanks, Dale. I think he was talking about wear patterns on the rod, not that they had different ends. You know, I wish I had tried this before I reinstalled, but can you even get the fuel pump in OVER the pushrod? It doesn't look like it, but like I said, I never tried. I only ask now because that's something that everyone talks about, but it doesn't look to me like it'd be an easy mistake to make. I just turn to the low spot on the lobe (heel, right?) so that the rod slides almost all the way in, stick something in there to hold it in place (this time I used a long bolt), slide the pump underneath, and remove the thing (bolt). What exactly would happen if I somehow screwed that up without knowing, though? The worst thing I can imagine is that the pump arm locks the pushrod in place, so that it couldn't move when the cam turned and you flattened the lobe. But if it slipped and you did manage to get the fuel pump installed over it, would it be high enough to touch the cam lobe at any point? I don't know. In any case, you wouldn't pump fuel that way, right? So if it runs, you're okay? - Original Message - From: 396guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump pushrod / guide? First, I've never (in 30+ years) heard of a fuel pump pushrod having different ends, but I could be wrong. I've also never heard of a ring (nylon or otherwise) on a fuel pump push rod. Quite possibly, someone used a nylon washer to help keep the push rod in the block while they installed the pump or maybe there's a new gizmo on the market I haven't seen. A small block has a plate that bolts to the block (kind of rectangle shaped with a curved top) and the fuel pump bolts to the block over this plate. This plate also keeps the fuel pump rod from falling out when you remove the fuel pump. The trick is to keep the rod against the cam lobe long enough to get the fuel pump arm UNDER the rod. Two tips I've learned: 1. Remove the second plate and put a bit of thick grease on the cam end of the rod. Sometimes this will hold it against the cam long enough to get the pump in place. 2. There should be a 3/8 coarse bolt on the front of the block just in front of the fuel pump boss. Newer engines may or may not have this as they are a holdover from the 55-57 front engine mount days. Anyway, remove the bolt and get a longer one, maybe 1 to 1 1/2 longer. Push the fuel pump rod up to the cam and thread the longer bolt into the hole until it just touches the rod with enough force to keep it from sliding down...FINGER SNUG IS ENOUGH. Install fuel pump, remove longer bolt and replace with original. Dale McIntosh ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold 67 SS/67 Elky http://www.dalesplace.com http://www.team67.com http://www.midwestchevelles.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Bruyn Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 4:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump pushrod / guide? Sorry. Small block. - Original Message - From: 396guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump pushrod / guide? Small block or big block? Dale McIntosh ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold 67 SS/67 Elky http://www.dalesplace.com http://www.team67.com http://www.midwestchevelles.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Bruyn Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 4:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] fuel pump pushrod / guide? Traced this knocking sound to the mechanical fuel pump, I think. Installing a replacement unit this afternoon and I pulled the pushrod, just to have a look at it. Two dumb questions about the install: 1) A guy told me way back in the day that the ends of that pushrod are different, even though you can't really see it with the naked eye, and that if you got it turned around backward, you could have big trouble. True or false? 2) Now, the reason for the post. I removed the mounting plate and found
RE: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump BE CAREFUL, READ THIS
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I found out that SBC pumps do not work on a BBC. When installing the SBC pump using the BBC fuel pump pushrod I noted that the pump would fit flat against the engine with no tension from the pushrod. Normally you cannot hold the pump totally against the block without using a wrench to tighten it to there. The arm on the BBC pump sticks into the block a little farther than the SB pump. I speculate that it would make a lot of noise for sure, probably would work but not very well for a short time, and eventually wreck the cam lobe or pump or both. Mark - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump identification?
Dale: if memory serves me right; the big block and small block pump are not even close to being interchangeable the cam arm on the big block pump is much longer than the one on the small block. Larry
Re: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump identification?
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Thanks, Dale! On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:01:43 -0600 396guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Jim, GM catalog shows the following (sorry, I only go up to 71 on this): 6470424 - (type 40727) fits 69 All (396) 70 Chevelle w/Sp. H/Per. (396,454) 6470307 - (type 40768) fits 70 Chevelle w/4BC (396,400) (exc. Sp. H/Per.) 6470570 (no type number given) fits 71 Pass., Chevelle w/4BC (400,454) (exc. Sp. H/Per.) One of those two should work. BTW, the type is usually the AC/Delco aftermarket part number. If yours is originally an AC/Delco new or rebuilt unit, many times they have the type roll stamped into the edge of the mounting flange. I haven't used or changed a mech fuel pump in a while, but I'm pretty sure the sbc and bbc pumps mount the same and are interchangeable...more or less. It depends on the position, size, and number of lines involved. I would also imagine that the bbc pumps may have a higher flow rate, but can't prove it. Dale McIntosh ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold 67 SS/67 Elky http://www.dalesplace.com Does anyone know if fuel pumps have part numbers stamped on them and if I could find/read one while the pump is still on the car? The reason I need to know is this: I'm not sure what year/style pump I currently have, so before I pull my current fuel pump off to replace it I want to have the correct replacement on hand. The reason for the mystery is this: I have a 69 SS396 with a '72 402 engine a 69 Q-jet in it. Also, instead of a 3-piece pump to carburetor line, I have a single piece pump-to-carburetor fuel line. After looking at the pump photos in an older Year One catalog, my pump visually appears to have a shape like the 1971-1972 big block fuel pump that they sell (as opposed to the shape of the 1969 big block fuel pump that they sell). So, I'm leaning towards ordering a 1971-1972 pump, but before I do so I'm wondering if I could expect to find a decodable ID number that would be visible to me if I were to scrape off what looks like decades worth of grease and grime on the pump while it is on the car. As always, thanks in advance for all the help I get on this list! Jim -69-SS396- H. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump BE CAREFUL, READ THIS
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Be careful!! BBC and SBC fuel pumps are totaly different. They are by no means interchangible. Dammage will result. do not interchange them. Sean From: Jim R Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump identification? Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:27:07 -0500 Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Thanks, Dale! On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:01:43 -0600 396guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Jim, GM catalog shows the following (sorry, I only go up to 71 on this): 6470424 - (type 40727) fits 69 All (396) 70 Chevelle w/Sp. H/Per. (396,454) 6470307 - (type 40768) fits 70 Chevelle w/4BC (396,400) (exc. Sp. H/Per.) 6470570 (no type number given) fits 71 Pass., Chevelle w/4BC (400,454) (exc. Sp. H/Per.) One of those two should work. BTW, the type is usually the AC/Delco aftermarket part number. If yours is originally an AC/Delco new or rebuilt unit, many times they have the type roll stamped into the edge of the mounting flange. I haven't used or changed a mech fuel pump in a while, but I'm pretty sure the sbc and bbc pumps mount the same and are interchangeable...more or less. It depends on the position, size, and number of lines involved. I would also imagine that the bbc pumps may have a higher flow rate, but can't prove it. Dale McIntosh ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold 67 SS/67 Elky http://www.dalesplace.com Does anyone know if fuel pumps have part numbers stamped on them and if I could find/read one while the pump is still on the car? The reason I need to know is this: I'm not sure what year/style pump I currently have, so before I pull my current fuel pump off to replace it I want to have the correct replacement on hand. The reason for the mystery is this: I have a 69 SS396 with a '72 402 engine a 69 Q-jet in it. Also, instead of a 3-piece pump to carburetor line, I have a single piece pump-to-carburetor fuel line. After looking at the pump photos in an older Year One catalog, my pump visually appears to have a shape like the 1971-1972 big block fuel pump that they sell (as opposed to the shape of the 1969 big block fuel pump that they sell). So, I'm leaning towards ordering a 1971-1972 pump, but before I do so I'm wondering if I could expect to find a decodable ID number that would be visible to me if I were to scrape off what looks like decades worth of grease and grime on the pump while it is on the car. As always, thanks in advance for all the help I get on this list! Jim -69-SS396- H. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump BE CAREFUL, READ THIS
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List The fuel pump lobe on the camshaft on a BBC is alot larger in diameter and has more lift.(lift=how far is will move the fuel pump arm, just like camshaft lobe lift.) Keith - Original Message - From: Sean Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump BE CAREFUL, READ THIS Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Be careful!! BBC and SBC fuel pumps are totaly different. They are by no means interchangible. Dammage will result. do not interchange them. Sean From: Jim R Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Fuel pump identification? Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:27:07 -0500 Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Thanks, Dale! On Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:01:43 -0600 396guy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Jim, GM catalog shows the following (sorry, I only go up to 71 on this): 6470424 - (type 40727) fits 69 All (396) 70 Chevelle w/Sp. H/Per. (396,454) 6470307 - (type 40768) fits 70 Chevelle w/4BC (396,400) (exc. Sp. H/Per.) 6470570 (no type number given) fits 71 Pass., Chevelle w/4BC (400,454) (exc. Sp. H/Per.) One of those two should work. BTW, the type is usually the AC/Delco aftermarket part number. If yours is originally an AC/Delco new or rebuilt unit, many times they have the type roll stamped into the edge of the mounting flange. I haven't used or changed a mech fuel pump in a while, but I'm pretty sure the sbc and bbc pumps mount the same and are interchangeable...more or less. It depends on the position, size, and number of lines involved. I would also imagine that the bbc pumps may have a higher flow rate, but can't prove it. Dale McIntosh ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold 67 SS/67 Elky http://www.dalesplace.com Does anyone know if fuel pumps have part numbers stamped on them and if I could find/read one while the pump is still on the car? The reason I need to know is this: I'm not sure what year/style pump I currently have, so before I pull my current fuel pump off to replace it I want to have the correct replacement on hand. The reason for the mystery is this: I have a 69 SS396 with a '72 402 engine a 69 Q-jet in it. Also, instead of a 3-piece pump to carburetor line, I have a single piece pump-to-carburetor fuel line. After looking at the pump photos in an older Year One catalog, my pump visually appears to have a shape like the 1971-1972 big block fuel pump that they sell (as opposed to the shape of the 1969 big block fuel pump that they sell). So, I'm leaning towards ordering a 1971-1972 pump, but before I do so I'm wondering if I could expect to find a decodable ID number that would be visible to me if I were to scrape off what looks like decades worth of grease and grime on the pump while it is on the car. As always, thanks in advance for all the help I get on this list! Jim -69-SS396- H. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Fuel Pump Recommendations
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Funny how different people have different experiences. The ONLY time my '70 has ever stranded me (and I had to leave it) was when a brand new $15 Carter Pep Boy's special quit pumping. This Carter was replacing another Carter that was making noise. At the time, I replaced it with a Borg-Warner (I think) on the side of the road with some pimple-faced kids cruising back and forth in a 5.0 harassing me. They wouldn't stop, and damn sure weren't around when the Big Block fired back up. Too bad. I now have a Holley in there - forget exactly which one - but it's not the high-end job. Darrell Spencer Cave Creek, AZ '70 Malibu '66 El Camino -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 October, 2001 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 1967 Chevelle SS= Fuel Pump Recommendations I had a holley 12-454-11 on my 70's 454 and it snapped a rod internally. Not what I was expecting from a $50 fuel pump. I put the good old $15 Carter Pep Boys special on it have haven't had a problem since. Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
