Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch ...
Most new cars have to use electrics, because they have transverse mounted engines. I run a mechanical becuase its simple and reliable, but my engine is pretty tame due to lack of funds. The other guys on the list have a lot more experience with powerful (hot) engines. Rob --- message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] attached: _ ProPilots Network Email - http://webmail.propilots.net/ _ Select your own custom email address for FREE! Get [EMAIL PROTECTED] w/No Ads, 6MB, POP & more! http://www.everyone.net/selectmail?campaign=tag --- Begin Message --- In a message dated 1/29/03 7:10:53 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Just my 2 cents worth.. Since you are crusin you will be spending some time at stop lights ect..I would go with the electric set up..or both with a thin push fan that you can turn on and off. Temp is up click on..I used this combo on my Nova SS and plan on doing same with my El Camino. Once I went to ele. never had a problem with overheating or should I say cooling it back down. Might want to think of running a oil cooler also. You really don't end up spending as much as you think when compared to what you got invested. ..Just my humble opinion Bill A 67 El Camino 66 El Camino 66 Nova SS 78 Silver Annv. Corvette --- End Message ---
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Sorry guys, the first time I sent this out it had a small picture on it. I guess the server didn't like that. I'm reposting the info about my fans: Again you can see them at: http://www.dscf.org/temp/71/fan1.jpg and http://www.dscf.org/temp/71/fan2.jpg I went with the dual setup from Derale PN: 16928 and a new 4-row rad. I copied and pasted the specs from the website (www.derale.com). Summit sells these Derale fans. Just do a search on their website for the part number. These fans work great so far, but the real test will be summer and we haven't got there yet. I think 80 deg. is the hottest it's been so far. "RAD" Dual Fans Two 13" diameter high output fans Dual 265 watt motors 4,000 CFM Two widths to fit most radiators Cools the toughtest applications Puller only Part No. 16934 34" width Part No. 16928 28" width Fan Specifications Part No. Width Height Thickness at motor Thickness at edge RPM CFM Amp Draw 16934 31.75" 15.76" 3.19" 3.15" 1670 4000 50.0 16928 28.25" 13.82" 3.19" 3.15" 1670 4000 50.0 Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: Bill Bruyn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up I'm going through this right now on my 67. Here's what I decided. A quality electric fan will not be outperformed by any mechanical fan at idle / low RPMs, and that's where we run into trouble, in my experience. The Spals are good units, but I don't think that dual 11" setup is going to work for you - you need a 31 inch radiator in order to mount it. I'm going with a single 16" puller, myself. You may need to upgrade electrical components. I intend to do so anyway, and am still researching... Enjoy, Bill - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
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In a message dated 1/29/03 7:10:53 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Just my 2 cents worth.. Since you are crusin you will be spending some time at stop lights ect..I would go with the electric set up..or both with a thin push fan that you can turn on and off. Temp is up click on..I used this combo on my Nova SS and plan on doing same with my El Camino. Once I went to ele. never had a problem with overheating or should I say cooling it back down. Might want to think of running a oil cooler also. You really don't end up spending as much as you think when compared to what you got invested. ..Just my humble opinion Bill A 67 El Camino 66 El Camino 66 Nova SS 78 Silver Annv. Corvette
Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Rodney,
What kind/size of fans are
these?
Don
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Here's a couple pics of my fans http://www.dscf.org/temp/71/fan1.jpg
and http://www.dscf.org/temp/71/fan2.jpg
Rodney.
71 Chevelle
El Mirage, AZ
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Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:32
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Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another
question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to
a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional
clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the
radiator (along with a built in trans cooler).
My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or
the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone
electric ?
Your opinions sought. Thanks,
Ken McDee
P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver.
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Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Here's a couple pics of my fans http://www.dscf.org/temp/71/fan1.jpg and http://www.dscf.org/temp/71/fan2.jpg Rodney. 71 Chevelle El Mirage, AZ - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
I started with the clutch fan and shroud and ended up with dual 12" Spal fans mounted on a homemade shroud. Clutch fans apparently can't handle a lot of rpm because over a short period of time the clutch was wasted and my engine started overheating. I think the dual Spals are the best solution though summer was pretty much over when I changed fans. I'll see how well my setup works on Power Tour. :) Anyone that's interested I have a picture at: http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/Dual_Spal_Fans.jpg It's not the best picture but at least it gives a you an idea of how the fans are mounted and how much clearance is available. cYa- Herb Lumpp1966 El CaminoACES 3509, MCC 528http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/ - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up I am trying to determine if: a. I should go with one or the other. b. Clutch fan set up, shroud, electric puller fan. Thanks, Ken McDee Richard Milkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I went with both on my Nova. In traffic or on a slow cruise I switched the electric fan on to keep things cool. Driving at normal speeds I would shut it off. Worked great. I learned this lesson at the Woodward cruise when I kept boiling over. It's not easy to get water when your surrounded by a million people. Rich"66 MalibuACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver.
RE: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Title: Message
Bill,
Looking at the dual 11" Spal fan spec sheet and it has the overall
width of the unit at 23.46" and the mounting holes are inside that
dimension. Is there something missing from their tech drawings that would
account for the extra 7.5" you mention?
Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team
67 Midwest Chevelles
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PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re:
[Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan
set up
I'm going through
this right now on my 67. Here's what I decided.
A
quality electric fan will not be outperformed by any mechanical fan
at idle / low RPMs, and that's where we run into trouble, in my
experience. The Spals are good units, but I don't think that dual
11" setup is going to work for you - you need a 31 inch radiator in order
to mount it. I'm going with a single 16" puller, myself.
You may need to
upgrade electrical components. I intend to do so anyway, and am still
researching...
Enjoy,
Bill
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From:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:32
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Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another
question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to
a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional
clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the
radiator (along with a built in trans cooler).
My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or
the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone
electric ?
Your opinions sought. Thanks,
Ken McDee
P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver.
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RE: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Title: Message If you have the room for a puller fan (or even a pusher if it's just an auxiliary backup) AND the normal fan, I'd think that's the route to go. As Rich said, the electric fans for low speed cruising/traffic only when there's almost no airflow. There's been a few threads on this very subject at Team Chevelle and the concensus is that over 35-40 mph, there's enough airflow through the radiator to cool it anyway and at some point (like 70-80 range) the electric fans are actually a hinderance as there's more air coming through the radiator than the fans can pull, effectively blocking the airflow. Some fan setups have small flaps in their shrouding that will open to allow more surface for the air to flow through. Much depends on how good an airflow you have through your radiator now. Remember that newer cars usually have the radiator at quite an angle and almost no airflow from the outside. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelles -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ken's EmailSent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 11:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up I am trying to determine if: a. I should go with one or the other. b. Clutch fan set up, shroud, electric puller fan. Thanks, Ken McDee Richard Milkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I went with both on my Nova. In traffic or on a slow cruise I switched the electric fan on to keep things cool. Driving at normal speeds I would shut it off. Worked great. I learned this lesson at the Woodward cruise when I kept boiling over. It's not easy to get water when your surrounded by a million people. Rich"66 MalibuACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
I'm going through this right now on my 67. Here's what I decided. A quality electric fan will not be outperformed by any mechanical fan at idle / low RPMs, and that's where we run into trouble, in my experience. The Spals are good units, but I don't think that dual 11" setup is going to work for you - you need a 31 inch radiator in order to mount it. I'm going with a single 16" puller, myself. You may need to upgrade electrical components. I intend to do so anyway, and am still researching... Enjoy, Bill - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
I am trying to determine if: a. I should go with one or the other. b. Clutch fan set up, shroud, electric puller fan. Thanks, Ken McDee Richard Milkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I went with both on my Nova. In traffic or on a slow cruise I switched the electric fan on to keep things cool. Driving at normal speeds I would shut it off. Worked great. I learned this lesson at the Woodward cruise when I kept boiling over. It's not easy to get water when your surrounded by a million people. Rich"66 MalibuACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up nowDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
I went with both on my Nova. In traffic or on a slow cruise I switched the electric fan on to keep things cool. Driving at normal speeds I would shut it off. Worked great. I learned this lesson at the Woodward cruise when I kept boiling over. It's not easy to get water when your surrounded by a million people. Rich"66 MalibuACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: Ken's Email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
[Chevelle-List] Yet another question: Electric Fan set up versus Clutch Fan set up
Regarding my 67 Chevelle Malibu, I am deciding to upgrade the radiator to a crossflow aluminum radiator. I can also go with either the traditional clutch fan set up or have two spall 11 inch fans incorporated into the radiator (along with a built in trans cooler). My question is what set up do you prefer, i.e., the clutch fan set up or the electric fan set up. And, have you noticed most modern cars have gone electric ? Your opinions sought. Thanks, Ken McDee P.S. Car will not be raced. A cruiser/driver. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
