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I didn't order from CARS but did from a California company. They shipped two quarters to me in one box. One showed up in good shape. The other showed up with dents and dings, etc. I called them and told them that the one damaged quarter was damaged before it was shipped and they said, that was unlikely but ship it back anyway. I was to pay the shipping cost though.Heck, It cost more to ship the one quarter then the two quarters cost. I still have the quarter sitting in my garage. Not sure what I'm going to do with it. So. if you can drive to the place your going to buy it and inspect it before you purchase it, that is the way to go. After my California experience, I found out there wasa place close to home that sold sheet metal (300 miles away) I made the trip and got a good quarter. Once again. School of Hard Knocks. :) Good Luck. Jim - Original Message - From: Melanie Lopez To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc Anybody ever order parts from C.A.R.S. Inc ? They are out of Berkley MI near Detroit. Prices are pretty comparable to OPG etc, but we are close enough to go pick up stuff and avoid expensive shipping and freight delivery charges. They manufacture both interior and sheet metal parts there so all U.S.A. made.
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Hi Jim, The general rule on truck deliveries is that you have to be there to receive the order and inspect it for shipping damage in the presence of the driver. If it is damaged, it should either go right back on the truck, or at the very least, the driver should sign off saying that it was damaged prior to delivery. Most companies wont take a panel back after the driver leaves, because at that point it becomes your word against the driver's, and of course the driver is going to say that it was not his/her fault. John Nasta -Original Message- I didn't order from CARS but did from a California company. They shipped two quarters to me in one box. One showed up in good shape. The other showed up with dents and dings, etc. I called them and told them that the one damaged quarter was damaged before it was shipped and they said, that was unlikely but ship it back anyway. I was to pay the shipping cost though.Heck, It cost more to ship the one quarter then the two quarters cost. I still have the quarter sitting in my garage. Not sure what I'm going to do with it. So. if you can drive to the place your going to buy it and inspect it before you purchase it, that is the way to go. After my California experience, I found out there wasa place close to home that sold sheet metal (300 miles away) I made the trip and got a good quarter. Once again. School of Hard Knocks. :) Good Luck. Jim
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Another thing lots of people dont realize about Goodmark is that the credit card ordering page on their web site is not secure. I wrote them about this, and they wrote back saying that they store all CC info in encrypted fashion. I wrote back again explaining that the info still has to get from the user's IP address to theirs somehow, and regardless of how they *store* it, the transfer of information is not secure. Also, the info is more likely to get stolen during the transfer than by someone hacking into their database. They didnt respond to that one and havent fixed it either. A GeoTrust SSL certificate is a whole $49/year. I guess they cant justify the huge investment. -Original Message- Thanks for the info, John. I didn't know that about Goodmark. Clint Hooper HH Custom,owner LT5 Registry Director http://www.LT5Registry.net/ ACES #1650 http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
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Anybody ever order parts from C.A.R.S. Inc ? They are out of Berkley MI near Detroit. Prices are pretty comparable to OPG etc, but we are close enough to go pick up stuff and avoid expensive shipping and freight delivery charges. They manufacture both interior and sheet metal parts there so all U.S.A. made.
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Paddock is just east of Indianapolis, in Knightstown. - Original Message - From: Melanie Lopez To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc Anybody ever order parts from C.A.R.S. Inc ? They are out of Berkley MI near Detroit. Prices are pretty comparable to OPG etc, but we are close enough to go pick up stuff and avoid expensive shipping and freight delivery charges. They manufacture both interior and sheet metal parts there so all U.S.A. made.
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I purchased interior stuff and upholstry many times and they were always a good resource. Ed Melanie Lopez wrote: Anybody ever order parts from C.A.R.S. Inc ? They are out of Berkley MI near Detroit. Prices are pretty comparable to OPG etc, but we are close enough to go pick up stuff and avoid expensive shipping and freight delivery charges. They manufacture both interior and sheet metal parts there so all U.S.A. made.
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I seriously doubt that they manufacture their own parts, or that their sheet metal is U.S. made. What makes you think that? John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Melanie Lopez Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc Anybody ever order parts from C.A.R.S. Inc ? They are out of Berkley MI near Detroit. Prices are pretty comparable to OPG etc, but we are close enough to go pick up stuff and avoid expensive shipping and freight delivery charges. They manufacture both interior and sheet metal parts there so all U.S.A. made.
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Only small patch panels are ever made in the U.S. these days AFAIK. I doubt that they are stamping any large panels here. Also, the statement you quoted does not imply that they are making their own sheet metal parts at all. It only implies that they sell *some* sheet metal parts that are made in the U.S. So do I, so does Trevor, so does everybody else. It doesn't mean or even imply that we manufacture them ourselves. I also suspect that they don't make their own seat covers from scratch. Their web site says: C.A.R.S. INC. has thousands of interior and interior trim pieces for your Classic Chevy. We have seat covers, door panels, carpets, headliners, sunvisors, convertible tops, seat foam, headrest covers... Again, no indication whatsoever that they make the stuff themselves. I don't have their paper catalog here, so I can't vouch for that. I don't mean to give you a hard time, but yours is a very loose interpretation of their claims, at least where the sheet metal is concerned. John Nasta -Original Message- From: Melanie Lopez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:39 PM To: John Nasta Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc Their catalog states We make them (interiors) ourselves from scratch . . . made in USA cloths and vinyls . . . They were at Peotone and we saw their products. Detroit is their headquarters with stores in CA and AZ too. Also states our made in USA sheet metal offers a fit and quality that the import metal on the market doesn't approach - Original Message - From: John Nasta To: Melanie Lopez ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:32 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc I seriously doubt that they manufacture their own parts, or that their sheet metal is U.S. made. What makes you think that? John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Melanie Lopez Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc Anybody ever order parts from C.A.R.S. Inc ? They are out of Berkley MI near Detroit. Prices are pretty comparable to OPG etc, but we are close enough to go pick up stuff and avoid expensive shipping and freight delivery charges. They manufacture both interior and sheet metal parts there so all U.S.A. made.
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I'm also not saying that they are definitely not manufacturing their own interiors, or that they are in any way bad to do business with or disreputable. I just said that I couldn't vouch for what their paper catalog says because I don't have one, and their web site gives no indication that they make the stuff themselves, which seems incongruous. Also, the statement about the U.S.-made sheet metal parts doesn't imply that they make their own panels at all. It also doesn't imply that all of the sheet metal they sell is made in the U.S. Just trying to prevent truth decay. John Nasta -Original Message- From: Melanie Lopez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:04 PM To: John Nasta Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc We are only buying small sheet metal pieces, not whole panels. They do make the interior there. Says we make them ourselves from scratch, one at a time.. . All of these quality materials are assembled by the industry's most experienced staff of Classic Chevy craftspeople and upholsterers. claiming Because we're the largest manufacturer of Classic Chevy interiors
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BTW, this works for people who live near Goodmark in GA too. Why pay sales tax and shipping when you don't have to? John Nasta -Original Message- snip Another thing that many people don't realize is that if you live near Pittsburgh PA, Oxnard CA, Arlington TX, or Woodbridge Ontario, you can buy from an out of state retailer (like me) and pick your stuff up in person at the manufacturer's warehouse, and not pay sales tax OR shipping. I have lots of customers who have taken advantage of that, and they love it. On a large order, you can literally save hundreds of dollars in tax and shipping if you can go to the warehouse and pick up your order. /snip
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Jesus Johndont get your panties in a wad. Maybe think the guy misread the paper? Maybe they do manufacter thier own stuff? Its doubtful, but whatever. Maybe next time write a whole book in one e-mail, and not seperate chapters in different e-mails? His question was if anybody else had experience with the company, not whether or not thier parts really are made in the USA.
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I cannot for the life of me find it, but I know I read an article on these people, and it showed all kinds of interior making equipment. Yards of fabric, and more. I do not remember them showing the huge presses to do sheet metal, but I'm almost positive they do make their own interior stuff. Charles www.65ss.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc Jesus Johndont get your panties in a wad. Maybe think the guy misread the paper? Maybe they do manufacter thier own stuff? Its doubtful, but whatever. Maybe next time write a whole book in one e-mail, and not seperate chapters in different e-mails? His question was if anybody else had experience with the company, not whether or not thier parts really are made in the USA.
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Excuse me, but my panties are not in a wad, it was a woman not a man, and I'm just trying to make sure she knows the facts. Also, if you havent noticed, the way these lists work is one person writes and another one responds. Are you suggesting that I should read her mind and respond to what she says before she even says it? Melanie and I have exchanged emails off-list in the past (just yesterday in fact, and today too) and we dont have a problem with each other. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc Jesus Johndont get your panties in a wad. Maybe think the guy misread the paper? Maybe they do manufacter thier own stuff? Its doubtful, but whatever. Maybe next time write a whole book in one e-mail, and not seperate chapters in different e-mails? His question was if anybody else had experience with the company, not whether or not thier parts really are made in the USA.
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Hmmm Alright, You said it yourself, one person "posts" and the other person "replys", such as we are doing here. I see ONE post by her, and 5 by you. So where are her other 4 posts?
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Youre right. For some reason, every time I hit reply, it cc'd both her and the list, and then she replied to me directly. I thought the info would be of interest to the list, so I kept putting the list email address back in. If you want to see what she wrote to me, just scroll down on my replies to her. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc Hmmm Alright, You said it yourself, one person posts and the other person replys, such as we are doing here. I see ONE post by her, and 5 by you. So where are her other 4 posts?
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Apparently, according to their catalog, they do make their own interior upholstery. Its not mentioned on their web site though, which is somewhat of a surprise to me, but certainly not a crime. The reason I pointed out that saying Our U.S. made sheet metal... is not the same as saying We manufacture all of our own sheet metal in the U.S. is because I thought people would want to know the truth. The fact that they are in Detroit has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not they are stamping their own sheet metal, or whether all of it is made in the U.S. In fact they dont even claim to make it themselves, or claim that *all* of it is made in the U.S. I could easily make the same statement on my web site, and so could Trevor or any other company that carries any U.S. made sheet metal parts. There are lots of fallacies about this business, and the biggest ones are about who makes what and where. For instance, many people just assume that Goodmark makes all of their own sheet metal, that its all made in the U.S., or that the sheet metal from Goodmark is automatically better than the stuff from DII. The fact is that Goodmark is one of DII's biggest customers, and in many cases youre getting the same stuff. You just pay more for the privilege of buying it from Goodmark. They do make *some* of their own sheet metal, but because of that, people tend to assume that they make it all. Anyway, just trying to separate the facts from the myths. For anybody who would rather believe the myths, that's your choice. I dont see anything wrong in having a discussion about it. I thought that was what this list was for. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 65ss.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] CARS Inc I cannot for the life of me find it, but I know I read an article on these people, and it showed all kinds of interior making equipment. Yards of fabric, and more. I do not remember them showing the huge presses to do sheet metal, but I'm almost positive they do make their own interior stuff. Charles www.65ss.com
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Thanks for the info,John. I didn't know that about Goodmark. Clint HooperHH Custom,ownerLT5 Registry Directorhttp://www.LT5Registry.net/ACES #1650http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: John Nasta Apparently, according to their catalog, they do make their own interior upholstery. Its not mentioned on their web site though, which is somewhat of a surprise to me, but certainly not a crime. The reason I pointed out that saying "Our U.S. made sheet metal..." is not the same as saying "We manufacture all of our own sheet metal in the U.S." is because I thought people would want to know the truth. The fact that they are in Detroit has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not they are stamping their own sheet metal, or whether all of it is made in the U.S. In fact they dont even claim to make it themselves, or claim that *all* of it is made in the U.S. I could easily make the same statement on my web site, and so could Trevor or any other company that carries any U.S. made sheet metal parts. There are lots of fallacies about this business, and the biggest ones are about who makes what and where. For instance, many people just assume that Goodmark makes all of their own sheet metal, that its all made in the U.S., or that the sheet metal from Goodmark is automatically better than the stuff from DII. The fact is that Goodmark is one of DII's biggest customers, and in many cases youre getting the same stuff. You just pay more for the privilege of buying it from Goodmark. They do make *some* of their own sheet metal, but because of that, people tend to assume that they make it all. Anyway, just trying to separate the facts from the myths. For anybody who would rather believe the myths, that's your choice. I dont see anything wrong in having a discussion about it. I thought that was what this list was for. John Nasta
