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Muncie shifters were made by Inland. A division of GM. Rich"66 MalibuACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shifters Dale:I don't agree with the Muncie shifter being Hurst.i was always told they were Muncie shifters. I have no idea who made them. Larry (z)
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Title: Message I never said the Muncie was made by Hurst. What are you reading? Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team67Midwest Chevelle Regionals - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shifters Dale:I don't agree with the Muncie shifter being Hurst.i was always told they were Muncie shifters. I have no idea who made them. Larry (z)
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Dale: My bad I must have read it wrong. Probably for the same reason Clint said the following right after I answered. With very few exceptions,I don't think GM ever used a Hurst unit on their cars,Dale. It's a common misconception,though. Clint Hooper LT5 Registry Director Wichita Falls,Tx (940) 855-6636 '91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody TX TAGS: USA ZR1 http://www.LT5Registry.net/ '69 El Camino Pro Street
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Title: Message You MAY be able to talk me into Chevrolet not using HURST although I have my doubts. Seems like I remember a parts vendor selling a repro HURST plastic emblem that went on the console. Will have to research it when I get time. But you will NEVER talk me into believing that all of GM didn't use Hurst. I know for a fact that there was a special edition ofOlds HURST442. Steve With very few exceptions,I don't think GM ever used a Hurst unit on their cars,Dale. It's a common misconception,though.
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No no no Steve, Dale did say some GM's came with Hurst. Which I agree. Many GM's used hurst just not the comp plus. If memory serves me right I do believe my buds 70 1/2 Camaro had a round Hurst shifter. Larry (z)
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Title: Message I had a 72 Camaro as well and I know I put a HURST labeled T handle on the shifter. I would think I did that because it was a HURST shifter as well. I am thinking it had a round shaftwith a flat spot with HURST label engraved onit. I don't know which model it was though and although I was the second owner I am quite certain it was the factory shifter. What's the difference with the competition plus? Which model do you think the factory used? Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 2:02 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shiftersNo no no Steve, Dale did say some GM's came with Hurst. Which I agree. Many GM's used hurst just not the comp plus. If memory serves me right I do believe my buds 70 1/2 Camaro had a round Hurst shifter. Larry (z)
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In a message dated 12/8/2002 1:04:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you will NEVER talk me into believing that all of GM didn't use Hurst. I know for a fact that there was a special edition of Olds HURST 442. Steve Steve GM did not build the H/O olds 442. Hurst bought the W30 equipped 442 cars from Oldsmobile, took them to their plant and did their thing to them. Hurst was not factory equipment on most GM vehicles although there may be some exceptions. It is sort of like what Saleen does with Mustangs. I am going to do some research on this for my own benefit just to see. Tom
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Steve: the Hurst comp plus had synchro stops, the factory Hurst did not. The hurst shifter was round with a flat spot where it had "HURST." Larry (z)
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I did a lot of research on Hurst and have the Hurst book which is a great book if you can find one. This is what I remember. Chevelle Never used a Hurst Shifter from the factory Camaro used a round handle Hurst shifer 1969 to 1971 The only Nova to get a Hurst was the LT1 COPO Nova that Yenko special ordered to build his Yenko Deuce The Chevy Hurst was a round handle that has a snap in design. This was done to aid assembly where the shifter was on the trans with no handle before installation then the handle was snapped in from inside the car. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Fellow Chevelle owners, i didn' relize i hit a hot topic about Hurst Muncie, i am though enjoying the responces, and gaining some insite on it but my question still stands, what is everyone useing for there Muncie 4 speed with the Bench seat to make the Boot and Boot Retainer Ring line up in the center of the hump plate? Do i have to use a muncie shifter and attach it in to the crossmember and go through the binding or is there another alternative? And does someone make an after market one to represent the Muncie shifter? In the case that i have to use the Muncie? Thanks Again Peoples KenD 72 HeavyChevyChevelle
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Title: Message Long Shifters made a goose-neck shifter for the Richmond five and six speeds that fit well with a bench seat 55 Chevy and were supposed to be better than the Richmond shifter. -Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale McIntoshSent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shifters From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chevelle 69Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shifters There is another brand of shifter that you hardly ever hear about, but the quality from what I have seen and heard is above anything out there. Chuck Hansen put one in his Chevelle Wagon on a Horse Power TV show. I had a tranny demo guy at a car show tell me there is no better shifter made and looking at them I can believe it. Chuck Hanson when I talked to him on the phone confirmed his belief in their quality and said they can't be beat. Someone, either on this list or at TC did manage to break one of the rods. He was trying to heat and reshape it to make it fit his application and it snapped. I know they come standard on some types of trannys when you buy them but don't remember which ones. Tremec 5 speeds maybe? I think the Tremec uses an internal rail shifting arrangement. Maybe you're thinking of theG-Force? http://www.g-forcetransmissions.com/whygforce.asp The trouble? Very hard to find a place that sells one outright, and they are not cheap, around $450 for a 4 speed I believe. I think you have to go directly to the manufacturer now. For whatever reason I don't know Jegs doesn't carry them and Summit stopped. Maybe the cost? The name brand? "LONG" brand of Shifter. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shiftersHello guys,thanks for responding, anyways what does everyone use so that it fits the hump plate and can use the boot and ring so that it looks original (course without useing the stock original) or must i use it??? i need a shifter for a bench seat and looks original. Thanks again.KenD HeavyChevy
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Title: Message Didn't say they were. GM used Hurst in the 60's, just not in Chevelles. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team67Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 12:06 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shiftersDale:I don't agree with the Muncie shifter being Hurst.i was always told they were Muncie shifters. I have no idea who made them. Larry (z)
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The question was asked about a chevelle. Hi all, was wondering if anyone new what GM used for there Shifter on the muncie 4spd. trans. was it a hurst shifter or muncie, it is a 1970 M21 it doesn't belong in my car, the original was a M20, the shifter that i have now in there is a Hurst Comp plus and i can't get the rubber boot or the boot trim ring to line up in the center of the hump hole i'm sure i'll have to have that replaced as well as the guy i bought the car from used a quicksilver automatic and BM and hacked the hump plate to heck. and where can i get the shifter from? all help is needed lol Thanks All KenD. 72 HeavyChevyChevelle
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Title: Message If you want one that looks original, original would be the way to go. I don't know if it'd work in your car or not, but on 66/67 models, you can make an adapter to bolt the stock Muncie shifter tower to a Hurst Comp Plus shifter. Unless someone looks underneath or pulls the console/boot, you'd never suspect. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team67Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chevelle 69Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shifters -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shifters Hello guys,thanks for responding, anyways what does everyone use so that it fits the hump plate and can use the boot and ring so that it looks original (course without useing the stock original) or must i use it??? i need a shifter for a bench seat and looks original. Thanks again.KenD HeavyChevy
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Title: Message No, the owner (Ken) has a Chevelle (as noted in his signature line) and maybe he assumed that everyone would know what car he's referring to,however the questiondid ask about GM (~was wondering if anyone new what GM used for there Shifter on the muncie 4spd. trans~.) Questions get answered the way they are asked. Since I can't read the mind of the person asking the question my original reply was, "I think GM used Hurst as early as 68 or 69 but it wasn't the Comp Plus you have. The Comp Plus bolts to the trans where the factory model bolted to the crossmember, if memory serves, causing the linkage to bind up. I'm sure that's why a lot of owners went to the Comp Plus." Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team67Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 11:32 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shiftersThe question was asked about a chevelle. Hi all, was wondering if anyone new what GM used for there Shifter on the muncie 4spd. trans. was it a hurst shifter or muncie, it is a 1970 M21 it doesn't belong in my car, the original was a M20, the shifter that i have now in there is a Hurst Comp plus and i can't get the rubber boot or the boot trim ring to line up in the center of the hump hole i'm sure i'll have to have that replaced as well as the guy i bought the car from used a quicksilver automatic and BM and hacked the hump plate to heck. and where can i get the shifter from? all help is needed lol Thanks All KenD. 72 HeavyChevyChevelle
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Title: Message I put a new comp + in my 68 last fall. It works fine but I can't say that's it's "improved" or anything. Don Does anyone have a fairly new Hurst Competition Plus shifter for street use? I thought I read they were "improved" or was that marketing? Does anyone have the LONG brand and can compare them? Is it worth the huge increase in price? Steve
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Title: Message I think GM used Hurst as early as 68 or 69 but it wasn't the Comp Plus you have. The Comp Plus bolts to the trans where the factory model bolted to the crossmember, if memory serves, causing the linkage to bind up. I'm sure that's why a lot of owners went to the Comp Plus. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team67Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:48 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shiftersHi all, was wondering if anyone new what GM used for there Shifter on the muncie 4spd. trans. was it a hurst shifter or muncie, it is a 1970 M21 it doesn't belong in my car, the original was a M20, the shifter that i have now in there is a Hurst Comp plus and i can't get the rubber boot or the boot trim ring to line up in the center of the hump hole i'm sure i'll have to have that replaced as well as the guy i bought the car from used a quicksilver automatic and BM and hacked the hump plate to heck. and where can i get the shifter from? all help is needed lol Thanks All KenD. 72 HeavyChevyChevelle
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Title: Message With very few exceptions,I don't think GM ever used a Hurst unit on their cars,Dale. It's a common misconception,though. Clint HooperLT5 Registry DirectorWichita Falls,Tx(940) 855-6636'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/'69 El Camino Pro Street - Original Message - From: Dale McIntosh I think GM used Hurst as early as 68 or 69 but it wasn't the Comp Plus you have. The Comp Plus bolts to the trans where the factory model bolted to the crossmember, if memory serves, causing the linkage to bind up. I'm sure that's why a lot of owners went to the Comp Plus. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team67Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:48 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shiftersHi all, was wondering if anyone new what GM used for there Shifter on the muncie 4spd. trans. was it a hurst shifter or muncie, it is a 1970 M21 it doesn't belong in my car, the original was a M20, the shifter that i have now in there is a Hurst Comp plus and i can't get the rubber boot or the boot trim ring to line up in the center of the hump hole i'm sure i'll have to have that replaced as well as the guy i bought the car from used a quicksilver automatic and BM and hacked the hump plate to heck. and where can i get the shifter from? all help is needed lol Thanks All KenD. 72 HeavyChevyChevelle
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Actually Chevelles used Muncie shifters through 69. I'm not sure about 70. The Muncie's were crap so many guys changed them out shortly after buying their cars. BOP did use Hurst shifters however. Why chevy didn't, I have no idea. Trooper - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My 70SS has a M21 transmission as well as a Muncie shifter. My car has a console so I don't know if they came with different shaped handles for non-console cars. My shifter handle bolts to the shifter assembly horizontally with two bolts and then turns vertically at about 90 degrees coming up through the shifter hump. About 1/3 of the way up the handle, it twists a little and comes toward the drives seat (I assume so that the driver doesn't have to reach over as far). As far as quality, I hate the stock shifter. It has a very long throw from first to second and feels like you are shifting a sausage) I figure this is why many Chevelle owners tossed the stock shifters out and bought Hurst ones. I'm thinking about doing that myself and figuring out some way to attach the original shifter handle to make it look stock (the handle says Muncie on it). Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 1:48 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shiftersHi all, was wondering if anyone new what GM used for there Shifter on the muncie 4spd. trans. was it a hurst shifter or muncie, it is a 1970 M21 it doesn't belong in my car, the original was a M20, the shifter that i have now in there is a Hurst Comp plus and i can't get the rubber boot or the boot trim ring to line up in the center of the hump hole i'm sure i'll have to have that replaced as well as the guy i bought the car from used a quicksilver automatic and BM and hacked the hump plate to heck. and where can i get the shifter from? all help is needed lol Thanks All KenD. 72 HeavyChevyChevelle
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Title: Message Yes, that is true. Mine transmission binds up often using the stock shifter assembly...usually at shows when everyone is watching or when hot girls are around. It's hard to look cool when you got to get out of the and rock it back-an-forth a few times to knock it out of "Firverse" gear (not quite first gear and not quite reverse). Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale McIntoshSent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shifters I think GM used Hurst as early as 68 or 69 but it wasn't the Comp Plus you have. The Comp Plus bolts to the trans where the factory model bolted to the crossmember, if memory serves, causing the linkage to bind up. I'm sure that's why a lot of owners went to the Comp Plus. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team67Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:48 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shiftersHi all, was wondering if anyone new what GM used for there Shifter on the muncie 4spd. trans. was it a hurst shifter or muncie, it is a 1970 M21 it doesn't belong in my car, the original was a M20, the shifter that i have now in there is a Hurst Comp plus and i can't get the rubber boot or the boot trim ring to line up in the center of the hump hole i'm sure i'll have to have that replaced as well as the guy i bought the car from used a quicksilver automatic and BM and hacked the hump plate to heck. and where can i get the shifter from? all help is needed lol Thanks All KenD. 72 HeavyChevyChevelle
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Hello guys, thanks for responding, anyways what does everyone use so that it fits the hump plate and can use the boot and ring so that it looks original (course without useing the stock original) or must i use it??? i need a shifter for a bench seat and looks original. Thanks again. KenD HeavyChevy
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Chevelle Never used a Hurst Shifter from the factory Camaro used a round handle Hurst 1969 to 1971 1968-69 Chevelles use 3 different Muncie handles for console, non console bucket, and bench seat. I think 1970-72 only used 2 different Muncie handles for console, and bench seat. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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GM did use Hurst shifters, just not in Chevelles. The late Chevelle handles were just flat like the Hurst models. In any event, the binding is what caused owners to jump to the Hurst Comp Plus. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shifters Chevelle Never used a Hurst Shifter from the factory Camaro used a round handle Hurst 1969 to 1971 1968-69 Chevelles use 3 different Muncie handles for console, non console bucket, and bench seat. I think 1970-72 only used 2 different Muncie handles for console, and bench seat. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Title: Message There is another brand of shifter that you hardly ever hear about, but the quality from what I have seen and heard is above anything out there. Chuck Hansen put one in his Chevelle Wagon on a Horse Power TV show. I had a tranny demo guy at a car show tell me there is no better shifter made and looking at them I can believe it. Chuck Hanson when I talked to him on the phone confirmed his belief in their quality and said they can't be beat. I know they come standard on some types of trannys when you buy them but don't remember which ones. Tremec 5 speeds maybe? The trouble? Very hard to find a place that sells one outright, and they are not cheap, around $450 for a 4 speed I believe. I think you have to go directly to the manufacturer now. For whatever reason I don't know Jegs doesn't carry them and Summit stopped. The name brand? "LONG" brand of Shifter. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shiftersHello guys,thanks for responding, anyways what does everyone use so that it fits the hump plate and can use the boot and ring so that it looks original (course without useing the stock original) or must i use it??? i need a shifter for a bench seat and looks original. Thanks again.KenD HeavyChevy
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Title: Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chevelle 69Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shifters There is another brand of shifter that you hardly ever hear about, but the quality from what I have seen and heard is above anything out there. Chuck Hansen put one in his Chevelle Wagon on a Horse Power TV show. I had a tranny demo guy at a car show tell me there is no better shifter made and looking at them I can believe it. Chuck Hanson when I talked to him on the phone confirmed his belief in their quality and said they can't be beat. Someone, either on this list or at TC did manage to break one of the rods. He was trying to heat and reshape it to make it fit his application and it snapped. I know they come standard on some types of trannys when you buy them but don't remember which ones. Tremec 5 speeds maybe? I think the Tremec uses an internal rail shifting arrangement. Maybe you're thinking of theG-Force? http://www.g-forcetransmissions.com/whygforce.asp The trouble? Very hard to find a place that sells one outright, and they are not cheap, around $450 for a 4 speed I believe. I think you have to go directly to the manufacturer now. For whatever reason I don't know Jegs doesn't carry them and Summit stopped. Maybe the cost? The name brand? "LONG" brand of Shifter. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:11 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 4 speed shiftersHello guys,thanks for responding, anyways what does everyone use so that it fits the hump plate and can use the boot and ring so that it looks original (course without useing the stock original) or must i use it??? i need a shifter for a bench seat and looks original. Thanks again.KenD HeavyChevy
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Dale: I don't agree with the Muncie shifter being Hurst.i was always told they were Muncie shifters. I have no idea who made them. Larry (z)
