Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[ChevelleYenko]

I like both the new and the old cars. Some of the new cars are wild. The new 
2003 Viper will have 500 hp. The new Ford GT40 will have 500hp. The 2002 
Corvette Z06 has an LS6 (based on the LS1) 405hp. I was looking at a cut away 
LS1 display motor in the GM tent at Carlisle. The LS1 is an impressive design 
and the bottom end looks really strong. The LS1 has some nice features such 
as; aluminum block with iron liners, 6 bolt main caps in a crossbolt design, 
aluminum heads with a nice looking rocker design, cast alu. oil pan used as a 
stressed member, no distributor - has direct fire ignition with a separate 
coil for each cylinder, intake manifold is composite design.  This LS1 motor 
is used in the very successful C5-R Corvette racing program where it is 427 
cu in and makes about 700 hp. There are street driven Z06 Corvettes that run 
11s with a few modifications.

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Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Chad Playso]

i like older cars more often of course, but i do like some newer cars -
hence the Z06 (405 HP - :)), Trans Am (going out of production :( - i loved
that look), and the brand new Cobras (please - no arguments).

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 I like both the new and the old cars. Some of the new cars are wild. The
new
 2003 Viper will have 500 hp. The new Ford GT40 will have 500hp. The 2002
 Corvette Z06 has an LS6 (based on the LS1) 405hp. I was looking at a cut
away
 LS1 display motor in the GM tent at Carlisle. The LS1 is an impressive
design
 and the bottom end looks really strong. The LS1 has some nice features
such
 as; aluminum block with iron liners, 6 bolt main caps in a crossbolt
design,
 aluminum heads with a nice looking rocker design, cast alu. oil pan used
as a
 stressed member, no distributor - has direct fire ignition with a separate
 coil for each cylinder, intake manifold is composite design.  This LS1
motor
 is used in the very successful C5-R Corvette racing program where it is
427
 cu in and makes about 700 hp. There are street driven Z06 Corvettes that
run
 11s with a few modifications.

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Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[eagle1978]

the only ford I would ever buy is the new 
mustang. it almosthas an old look.same with Chad no arguments. I 
also like the black corvettes with aftermarket rims that are black.
kyle m

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  From: 
  Chad 
  Playso 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:42 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang 
  Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  i like older cars more often of course, but i do like some 
  newer cars -hence the Z06 (405 HP - :)), Trans Am (going out of production 
  :( - i lovedthat look), and the brand new Cobras (please - no 
  arguments).- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 
  Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:15 AMSubject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang 
  Mach I versus new Chevy Products ? I like both the new and the 
  old cars. Some of the new cars are wild. Thenew 2003 Viper will 
  have 500 hp. The new Ford GT40 will have 500hp. The 2002 Corvette Z06 
  has an LS6 (based on the LS1) 405hp. I was looking at a cutaway 
  LS1 display motor in the GM tent at Carlisle. The LS1 is an 
  impressivedesign and the bottom end looks really strong. The LS1 
  has some nice featuressuch as; aluminum block with iron liners, 6 
  bolt main caps in a crossboltdesign, aluminum heads with a nice 
  looking rocker design, cast alu. oil pan usedas a stressed member, 
  no distributor - has direct fire ignition with a separate coil for 
  each cylinder, intake manifold is composite design. This 
  LS1motor is used in the very successful C5-R Corvette racing 
  program where it is427 cu in and makes about 700 hp. There are 
  street driven Z06 Corvettes thatrun 11s with a few 
  modifications. 
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Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Chad Playso]

so am i! only pre-1972's.

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  eagle1978 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:09 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
  Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  
  Aim sticking to pre 72s
  
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From: 
Kelly C. Hanna 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:50 
PM
Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

i personally dont like the idea of the gto coming out 
again.i didnt like it when the malibu came 
out-particularycause its a 4 door 4 banger, so at least this 
GTO will have a V8 with 300+ HP. :)

The last new car I liked was the Monte Carlo SS 83-87...then I owned 
one...what a mistake that was. I'm stickin' to the pre '79's from now on. 
The new re-releases are sad...wanna Goat? Get a real one...they cost 
less!Kelly Jana 
Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com 

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Chad Playso]

you mean yo uhavent seen the picture of the 
GTO? its a strange looking car - somehting im not really fond of. 
however, i wont buy a new goat, just an older one.

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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:54 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang 
  Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  most of the Malibus have V-6's in 
  them, and they do have some balls believe it or not. The new GTO to be 
  imported from Australia from what I understand is to have closer to 400 HP 
  without any mods. Think of what it will do when the aftermarket gets a 
  hold of it, can we say Stang Stomper :-). RWD a bonus. 
  Besides the new GTO is supposed to incorporate some design patterns of the one 
  of the older GTO's, not sure of what year though.Tom 

Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Chad Playso]

i've also heard of holden cars - heard they have 
very high potential on their cars...dont know if its true.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Galen and Melissa 
  Love 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:22 AM
  Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
  Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  
  I'm all for the new GTO. As you already 
  know, it's an imported Holden (GM's Australian brand) rebadged as a 
  Pontiac. I've been keeping an eye on the Holden cars for the past few 
  years, wishing that GM would wise up and bring them to America. They've 
  got some cars that people here would love to have, but they just haven't 
  offered them here. Take for instance the HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) 
  ClubSport R8 (check out the website at www.hsv.com.au). It's an awesome family 
  car (did you hear that?-- the wife will dig it!!!) with rear wheel 
  drive, an LS-1, and a 6-speed manual transmission. You can keep the 
  minivan, I'll take one of these! 
  
  From what I've heard, GM is planning to use the 
  GTO as somewhat of a test. If the response is good the GTO, they'll 
  likely follow up by bringing other Holden vehicles over -- we can only 
  hope. Also, from a quality standpoint, Holden is the rated to be one of 
  GM's best brands (I read that recently in one of my automotive engineering 
  magazines).
  
  Anyway, there's my 2 cents...
  Galen
  
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From: 
Chad 
Playso 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:42 
PM
Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

i personally dont like the idea of the gto 
coming out again. i didnt like it when the malibu came out-particulary 
cause its a 4 door 4 banger, so at least this GTO will have a V8 with 300+ 
HP. :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  eagle1978 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
  Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  
  I think I would be 
   cool to bring back the 
  chevelle and maybe the sis chevelle
  
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From: 
rick schaefer 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:06 
PM
Subject: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
GM is bringing back the GTO next year. Its a 5.7 
liter V8, imported from Australia. The Impala SS is rumored 
to return, but I'd bet that its with a super/turbo charged V6. 
Probably too expensive to retro fit a V8 in the current chassis. For 
Sure - They are bringing back a Silverado SS next fall, but i don't have 
a clue as to power. Probably LS1 camaro/fbird variation. After all 
they wont have any Z28s to put the LS1 into.rick-- 
"Ken's Email" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:Yo:I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic 
chevys. But, what is going on with Chevy and Muscle cars ?I just 
read that Ford is coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang 
Mach I with 300 Horsepower. This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and 
the Ford Thunderbird.Chevy discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come 
back.So, anyone know what is Chevy doing to compete with Ford who 
appears to be uping the ante ?Thanks,Big Ken Robert 
Belz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Hey Rob,Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. 
Thanks for thetip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb 
suggests jetting down 1step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like 
that might not be the way to go.If I do try that and get a stumble 
I'll know what's going on. Looks like Ijust need to play. Wish I was 
rich, the chassis dyno I mentioned in earlierposts can be rented for 
$600 per day. That would be a great way to quantifyany changes 
besides seat of the pants.Thanks again,Bob Belz 71 
SS454- Original Message -From: "Rob Thorburn" 
To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:25 AMSubject: Re: 
[Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone? Hi 
Bob: Even if someone had a BB with all of those parts, 
it would be a different setup because of the tranny, the ring 
and pinion gear, and so on. 1. Get in that: I'm Goin' fishin' 
mood, you know: I'm going to waste away the whole day, but I'm 
not a bum, because I'm fishin'. 2. Find some isolated area, away 
from residential, where you can tear offa couple of gears. I 
have a freeway on-ramp. 3. Change the total timing in two degree 
increments. Start at 30degrees, run up the ramp, then again 
at 32,

Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Capt Crunch]

The GTO is a test. It is a test to see if the American public would be interested in a non-old fart or police look-a-like rear wheel drive car. Many people in the auto industry feel the the large SUV demand has been brought on by the very small choice of rwd cars, especially ones that can hold a family of four comfortably. My personal opinion on fwd isn't a good one. I think it is so popular now because about 1/3 of the country (northern states who get snow) benifit from it, but more likely because mechanics and car companies make a small fortune on repairs. (And this is coming from an auto technician :P...me). Look at labor times on fwd cars compared to rwd cars. Big difference. Heck look under the hood... some are pretty cramped. If I lived down south where snow wasn't an issue.   Mikey  - Original Message - From: Galen and Melissa Love Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ? I'm all for the new GTO. As you already know, it's an imported Holden (GM's Australian brand) rebadged as a Pontiac. I've been keeping an eye on the Holden cars for the past few years, wishing that GM would wise up and bring them to America. They've got some cars that people here would love to have, but they just haven't offered them here. Take for instance the HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) ClubSport R8 (check out the website at www.hsv.com.au). It's an awesome family car (did you hear that?-- the wife will dig it!!!) with rear wheel drive, an LS-1, and a 6-speed manual transmission. You can keep the minivan, I'll take one of these!   From what I've heard, GM is planning to use the GTO as somewhat of a test. If the response is good the GTO, they'll likely follow up by bringing other Holden vehicles over -- we can only hope. Also, from a quality standpoint, Holden is the rated to be one of GM's best brands (I read that recently in one of my automotive engineering magazines).  Anyway, there's my 2 cents... Galen  - Original Message -  From: Chad Playso  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?  i personally dont like the idea of the gto coming out again. i didnt like it when the malibu came out-particulary cause its a 4 door 4 banger, so at least this GTO will have a V8 with 300+ HP. :)  - Original Message -  From: eagle1978  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?  I think I would be  cool to bring back the chevelle and maybe the sis chevelle  - Original Message -  From: rick schaefer  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ? GM is bringing back the GTO next year. Its a 5.7 liter V8, imported from Australia. The Impala SS is rumored to return, but I'd bet that its with a super/turbo charged V6. Probably too expensive to retro fit a V8 in the current chassis. For Sure - They are bringing back a Silverado SS next fall, but i don't have a clue as to power. Probably LS1 camaro/fbird variation. After all they wont have any Z28s to put the LS1 into.rick-- "Ken's Email" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Yo:I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic chevys. But, what is going on with Chevy and Muscle cars ?I just read that Ford is coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang Mach I with 300 Horsepower. This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and the Ford Thunderbird.Chevy discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come back.So, anyone know what is Chevy doing to compete with Ford who appears to be uping the ante ?Thanks,Big Ken Robert Belz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rob,Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. Thanks for thetip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb suggests jetting down 1step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like that might not be the way to go.If I do try that and get a stumble I'll know what's going on. Looks like Ijust need to play. Wish I was rich, the chassis dyno I mentioned in earlierposts can be rented for $600 per day. That would be a great way to quantifyany changes besides seat of the pants.Thanks again,Bob Belz 71 SS454- Original Message -From: "Rob Thorburn" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:25 AMSubject: Re: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone? Hi Bob: Even if someone had a BB with all of those parts, it would be a different setup because of the tranny, the ring and pinion gear, and so on. 1. Get in that: I'm Goin' fishin' mood, you know: I'm going to waste away the whole day, but I'm not a bum, because I'm fishin'. 2. Find some isolated area, away from residential, where you can tear offa couple of gears. I have a freeway on-ramp. 3. Change the total timing in two degree increments. Start at 30degr

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[John Vargas]

Hey Guys,
From what I've been reading there sure is alot of negativity torwards
newer cars out there. I look at it this way...if they still made'em like
my Chevelle this list probably wouldn't be around and we wouldn't have
anything to talk about (IMO). By the way my wife and I happen to also own
a 2001 Malibu it's a "peppy" little car and personally still looks better
then the winged imports. Your right it doesn't compare to my SS and I have
tried to talk her into a ZZ4 RWD conversion.maybe if she let's me drive
it and the engine goesh...
John
'67 SS427
'00 Silverado (supercharged of course)
'01 Malibu (Hers aka her little 'bu)
Don wrote:

...just
thinkingwonder
if you could put in a V8  convert it to a rear wheel drive...
Technically
Speaking the Chevelle still does exist. The Malibu, has to be a Chevelle
before a Malibu :-), at least in the old days it was. Definately
not the same though, FWD, ick, makes me cringe, LOL.
Tom

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[John Vargas]

Rick,
Here's some of the specs for the new SS Silveradostill not Lightning stuff but I 
hear more performance will come in time...


 Model: Chevrolet Silverado SS
 Trim level: LT
 Body style / driveline: Extended Cab / AWD
 Manufacturing location: Oshawa Ontario,
 Canada

 POWERTRAIN
 Engine: Vortec High Output 6000V8
 Type: 6.0-liter OHV V8 with cast-iron block
 Displacement (cu in / cc): 364 / 5967
 Bore x stroke (in/mm): 4 x 3.62 / 101.6 x 92
 Cylinder head material: Cast aluminum
 Valvetrain: Overhead valve with two
 valves per cylinder
 Ignition system: Coil near plug,
 platinum-tipped spark plugs, low
 resistance spark plug wires
 Fuel delivery: sequential central-port fuel
 injection
 Compression ratio: 10.0:1
 Horsepower (hp / kw @ rpm): 345 / 257 @ 5200
 Torque (lb-ft Nm @ rpm): 380 / 516 @ 4000
 Recommended fuel: 91 octane minimum,
 premium fuel only
 Maximum engine speed: 5600
 Estimated fuel economy
 (mpg city / hwy / combined): 12 / 16 / 13



rick schaefer wrote:

 GM is bringing back the GTO next year.  Its a 5.7 liter V8, imported from Australia. 
 The  Impala SS is rumored to return, but I'd bet that its with a super/turbo charged 
V6.  Probably too expensive to retro fit a V8 in the current chassis.
 For Sure - They are bringing back a Silverado SS next fall, but i don't have a clue 
as to power. Probably LS1 camaro/fbird variation.  After all they wont have any Z28s 
to put the LS1 into.
 rick
 -- Ken's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Yo:
 I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic chevys. But, what is going on with Chevy and 
Muscle cars ?
 I just read that Ford is coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang Mach I 
with 300 Horsepower. This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and the Ford Thunderbird.
 Chevy discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come back.
 So, anyone know what is Chevy doing to compete with Ford who appears to be uping the 
ante ?
 Thanks,
 Big Ken
   Robert Belz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rob,
 Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. Thanks for the
 tip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb suggests jetting down 1
 step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like that might not be the way to go.
 If I do try that and get a stumble I'll know what's going on. Looks like I
 just need to play. Wish I was rich, the chassis dyno I mentioned in earlier
 posts can be rented for $600 per day. That would be a great way to quantify
 any changes besides seat of the pants.
 Thanks again,
 Bob Belz 71 SS454

 - Original Message -
 From: Rob Thorburn
 To:
 Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:25 AM
 Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone?

  Hi Bob:
 
  Even if someone had a BB with all of those parts, it would be a different
  setup because of the tranny, the ring and pinion gear, and so on.
  1. Get in that: I'm Goin' fishin' mood, you know: I'm going to waste away
  the whole day, but I'm not a bum, because I'm fishin'.
  2. Find some isolated area, away from residential, where you can tear off
 a
  couple of gears. I have a freeway on-ramp.
  3. Change the total timing in two degree increments. Start at 30
 degrees,
  run up the ramp, then again at 32, and so on. Jot down your impression of
  each timing setting. As you get away from the ideal setting it should
  become obvious.
  4. The same idea with the jetting. Jump two jets at a time, starting with
  the stock jetting. Leaning a Holley, most often, causes undesireable
  effects, such as bog or stumble. Even for your elevation, never
  underestimate a Big block's love of fuel! A stumble is a too lean
  condition, one hundred percent of the time. I will go out on a limb and
 say
  that you cannot make a engine fall on its face with too much fuel. A too
  rich condition will cause a loss of chrisp acceleration. You will sense
  that the engine is cleaning out through that too rich part. The most
 common
  over rich error is over modifying the accelerator pump, most all other
  errors are too lean. If you have a big cam, and/or headers, the engine
 will
  want more fuel than what Holley jetted for.
 
  Have fun;
  Rob '67 Malibu
  '67 El Camino (still in a basket)
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Robert Belz
  To:
  Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:18 PM
  Subject: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone?
 
 
   Anyone care to share their tuning specs if they are using a Holley 770,
   Performer RPM intake and MSD distributor (on a big block)? So far I have
   tried 32 to 38 degrees total timing, left the blue bushing in the
   distributor and changed the springs to the 

Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[rick schaefer]

GM is bringing back the GTO next year.  Its a 5.7 liter V8, imported from Australia.  
The  Impala SS is rumored to return, but I'd bet that its with a super/turbo charged 
V6.  Probably too expensive to retro fit a V8 in the current chassis. 
For Sure - They are bringing back a Silverado SS next fall, but i don't have a clue as 
to power. Probably LS1 camaro/fbird variation.  After all they wont have any Z28s to 
put the LS1 into.
rick
-- Ken's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Yo:
I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic chevys. But, what is going on with Chevy and 
Muscle cars ?
I just read that Ford is coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang Mach I 
with 300 Horsepower. This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and the Ford Thunderbird.
Chevy discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come back.
So, anyone know what is Chevy doing to compete with Ford who appears to be uping the 
ante ?
Thanks,
Big Ken
  Robert Belz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Rob,
Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. Thanks for the
tip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb suggests jetting down 1
step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like that might not be the way to go.
If I do try that and get a stumble I'll know what's going on. Looks like I
just need to play. Wish I was rich, the chassis dyno I mentioned in earlier
posts can be rented for $600 per day. That would be a great way to quantify
any changes besides seat of the pants.
Thanks again,
Bob Belz 71 SS454

- Original Message -
From: Rob Thorburn 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone?


 Hi Bob:

 Even if someone had a BB with all of those parts, it would be a different
 setup because of the tranny, the ring and pinion gear, and so on.
 1. Get in that: I'm Goin' fishin' mood, you know: I'm going to waste away
 the whole day, but I'm not a bum, because I'm fishin'.
 2. Find some isolated area, away from residential, where you can tear off
a
 couple of gears. I have a freeway on-ramp.
 3. Change the total timing in two degree increments. Start at 30
degrees,
 run up the ramp, then again at 32, and so on. Jot down your impression of
 each timing setting. As you get away from the ideal setting it should
 become obvious.
 4. The same idea with the jetting. Jump two jets at a time, starting with
 the stock jetting. Leaning a Holley, most often, causes undesireable
 effects, such as bog or stumble. Even for your elevation, never
 underestimate a Big block's love of fuel! A stumble is a too lean
 condition, one hundred percent of the time. I will go out on a limb and
say
 that you cannot make a engine fall on its face with too much fuel. A too
 rich condition will cause a loss of chrisp acceleration. You will sense
 that the engine is cleaning out through that too rich part. The most
common
 over rich error is over modifying the accelerator pump, most all other
 errors are too lean. If you have a big cam, and/or headers, the engine
will
 want more fuel than what Holley jetted for.

 Have fun;
 Rob '67 Malibu
 '67 El Camino (still in a basket)


 - Original Message -
 From: Robert Belz 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:18 PM
 Subject: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone?


  Anyone care to share their tuning specs if they are using a Holley 770,
  Performer RPM intake and MSD distributor (on a big block)? So far I have
  tried 32 to 38 degrees total timing, left the blue bushing in the
  distributor and changed the springs to the light blue to get all advance
 in
  by 3000 RPM. Left the carb jetting stock (probably could lean it out
some
  as I'm at 4800 ft.) Haven't seen much in the way in performance
increases
  so far.
  Thanks,
  Bob Belz
 
 
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[eagle1978]

my 3 cents (lol)
I think that people like their chevys old and 
their fords new 
kyle m

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ken's Email 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:34 
  PM
  Subject: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang 
  Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  
  Yo: 
  I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic chevys. But, what is going on with 
  Chevy and Muscle cars ? 
  I just read that Ford is coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang 
  Mach I with 300 Horsepower. This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and the 
  Ford Thunderbird. 
  Chevy discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come back. 
  So, anyone know what is Chevy doing to compete with Ford who appears to be 
  uping the ante ? 
  Thanks, 
  Big Ken 
   Robert Belz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Hey 
Rob,Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. Thanks for 
thetip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb suggests jetting down 
1step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like that might not be the way to 
go.If I do try that and get a stumble I'll know what's going on. Looks 
like Ijust need to play. Wish I was rich, the chassis dyno I mentioned 
in earlierposts can be rented for $600 per day. That would be a great 
way to quantifyany changes besides seat of the pants.Thanks 
again,Bob Belz 71 SS454- Original Message -From: 
"Rob Thorburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: 
Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:25 AMSubject: Re: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips 
anyone? Hi Bob: Even if someone had a BB 
with all of those parts, it would be a different setup because of 
the tr! an! ny, the ring and pinion gear, and so on. 1. Get in that: 
I'm Goin' fishin' mood, you know: I'm going to waste away the whole 
day, but I'm not a bum, because I'm fishin'. 2. Find some isolated 
area, away from residential, where you can tear offa couple of 
gears. I have a freeway on-ramp. 3. Change the total timing in two 
degree increments. Start at 30degrees, run up the ramp, then 
again at 32, and so on. Jot down your impression of each timing 
setting. As you get away from the ideal setting it should become 
obvious. 4. The same idea with the jetting. Jump two jets at a time, 
starting with the stock jetting. Leaning a Holley, most often, 
causes undesireable effects, such as bog or stumble. Even for your 
elevation, never underestimate a Big block's love of fuel! A stumble 
is a "too lean" condition, one hundred percent of the time. I will 
go out on a limb andsay! gt; that you cannot make a engine 
fall on its face with too much fuel. A too rich condition will cause 
a loss of chrisp acceleration. You will sense that the engine is 
cleaning out through that too rich part. The mostcommon over 
rich error is over modifying the accelerator pump, most all other 
errors are too lean. If you have a big cam, and/or headers, the 
enginewill want more fuel than what Holley jetted 
for. Have fun; Rob '67 Malibu '67 El Camino 
(still in a basket) - Original Message 
- From: "Robert Belz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:18 
PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips 
anyone?  Anyone care to share their tuning specs 
if they are using a Holley 770,  Performer RPM intake and MSD 
distributor (on a big block)? So far I have ! ; ! tried 32 to 38 
degrees total timing, left the blue bushing in the  distributor 
and changed the springs to the light blue to get all advance 
in  by 3000 RPM. Left the carb jetting stock (probably could 
lean it outsome  as I'm at 4800 ft.) Haven't seen much in 
the way in performanceincreases  so far.  
Thanks,  Bob Belz
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Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[eagle1978]

I think I would be 
 cool to bring back the chevelle and 
maybe the sis chevelle

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  rick schaefer 

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:06 
  PM
  Subject: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang 
  Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  GM is bringing back the GTO next year. Its a 5.7 liter 
  V8, imported from Australia. The Impala SS is rumored to return, 
  but I'd bet that its with a super/turbo charged V6. Probably too 
  expensive to retro fit a V8 in the current chassis. For Sure - They are 
  bringing back a Silverado SS next fall, but i don't have a clue as to power. 
  Probably LS1 camaro/fbird variation. After all they wont have any Z28s 
  to put the LS1 into.rick-- "Ken's Email" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:Yo:I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic chevys. 
  But, what is going on with Chevy and Muscle cars ?I just read that Ford is 
  coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang Mach I with 300 Horsepower. 
  This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and the Ford Thunderbird.Chevy 
  discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come back.So, anyone know what is 
  Chevy doing to compete with Ford who appears to be uping the ante 
  ?Thanks,Big Ken Robert Belz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey 
  Rob,Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. Thanks for 
  thetip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb suggests jetting down 
  1step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like that might not be the way to 
  go.If I do try that and get a stumble I'll know what's going on. Looks 
  like Ijust need to play. Wish I was rich, the chassis dyno I mentioned in 
  earlierposts can be rented for $600 per day. That would be a great way to 
  quantifyany changes besides seat of the pants.Thanks again,Bob 
  Belz 71 SS454- Original Message -From: "Rob Thorburn" 
  To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:25 AMSubject: Re: 
  [Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone? Hi Bob: 
  Even if someone had a BB with all of those parts, it would be a 
  different setup because of the tranny, the ring and pinion gear, and 
  so on. 1. Get in that: I'm Goin' fishin' mood, you know: I'm going to 
  waste away the whole day, but I'm not a bum, because I'm 
  fishin'. 2. Find some isolated area, away from residential, where you 
  can tear offa couple of gears. I have a freeway on-ramp. 
  3. Change the total timing in two degree increments. Start at 
  30degrees, run up the ramp, then again at 32, and so on. Jot down 
  your impression of each timing setting. As you get away from the ideal 
  setting it should become obvious. 4. The same idea with the 
  jetting. Jump two jets at a time, starting with the stock jetting. 
  Leaning a Holley, most often, causes undesireable effects, such as bog 
  or stumble. Even for your elevation, never underestimate a Big block's 
  love of fuel! A stumble is a "too lean" condition, one hundred percent 
  of the time. I will go out on a limb andsay that you cannot make a 
  engine fall on its face with too much fuel. A too rich condition will 
  cause a loss of chrisp acceleration. You will sense that the engine is 
  cleaning out through that too rich part. The mostcommon over rich 
  error is over modifying the accelerator pump, most all other errors 
  are too lean. If you have a big cam, and/or headers, the 
  enginewill want more fuel than what Holley jetted 
  for. Have fun; Rob '67 Malibu '67 El Camino 
  (still in a basket) - Original Message 
  - From: "Robert Belz"  To:  Sent: Sunday, July 07, 
  2002 7:18 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips 
  anyone?  Anyone care to share their tuning specs 
  if they are using a Holley 770,  Performer RPM intake and MSD 
  distributor (on a big block)? So far I have  tried 32 to 38 
  degrees total timing, left the blue bushing in the  distributor 
  and changed the springs to the light blue to get all advance 
  in  by 3000 RPM. Left the carb jetting stock (probably could lean 
  it outsome  as I'm at 4800 ft.) Haven't seen much in the way 
  in performanceincreases  so far.  Thanks, 
   Bob Belz
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Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[eagle1978]

I mint the sis not the sis (spell 
check)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  eagle1978 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
  Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  
  I think I would be 
   cool to bring back the chevelle 
  and maybe the sis chevelle
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
rick schaefer 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:06 
PM
Subject: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
GM is bringing back the GTO next year. Its a 5.7 liter 
V8, imported from Australia. The Impala SS is rumored to return, 
but I'd bet that its with a super/turbo charged V6. Probably too 
expensive to retro fit a V8 in the current chassis. For Sure - They are 
bringing back a Silverado SS next fall, but i don't have a clue as to power. 
Probably LS1 camaro/fbird variation. After all they wont have any Z28s 
to put the LS1 into.rick-- "Ken's Email" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:Yo:I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic chevys. 
But, what is going on with Chevy and Muscle cars ?I just read that Ford 
is coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang Mach I with 300 
Horsepower. This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and the Ford 
Thunderbird.Chevy discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come back.So, 
anyone know what is Chevy doing to compete with Ford who appears to be uping 
the ante ?Thanks,Big Ken Robert Belz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey 
Rob,Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. Thanks for 
thetip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb suggests jetting down 
1step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like that might not be the way to 
go.If I do try that and get a stumble I'll know what's going on. Looks 
like Ijust need to play. Wish I was rich, the chassis dyno I mentioned 
in earlierposts can be rented for $600 per day. That would be a great 
way to quantifyany changes besides seat of the pants.Thanks 
again,Bob Belz 71 SS454- Original Message -From: 
"Rob Thorburn" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:25 AMSubject: 
Re: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone? Hi 
Bob: Even if someone had a BB with all of those parts, it 
would be a different setup because of the tranny, the ring and 
pinion gear, and so on. 1. Get in that: I'm Goin' fishin' mood, you 
know: I'm going to waste away the whole day, but I'm not a bum, 
because I'm fishin'. 2. Find some isolated area, away from 
residential, where you can tear offa couple of gears. I have a 
freeway on-ramp. 3. Change the total timing in two degree 
increments. Start at 30degrees, run up the ramp, then again at 
32, and so on. Jot down your impression of each timing setting. As 
you get away from the ideal setting it should become 
obvious. 4. The same idea with the jetting. Jump two jets at a time, 
starting with the stock jetting. Leaning a Holley, most often, 
causes undesireable effects, such as bog or stumble. Even for your 
elevation, never underestimate a Big block's love of fuel! A stumble 
is a "too lean" condition, one hundred percent of the time. I will 
go out on a limb andsay that you cannot make a engine fall on 
its face with too much fuel. A too rich condition will cause a loss 
of chrisp acceleration. You will sense that the engine is cleaning 
out through that too rich part. The mostcommon over rich error 
is over modifying the accelerator pump, most all other errors are 
too lean. If you have a big cam, and/or headers, the enginewill 
want more fuel than what Holley jetted for. Have 
fun; Rob '67 Malibu '67 El Camino (still in a 
basket) - Original Message - From: 
"Robert Belz"  To:  Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:18 
PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips 
anyone?  Anyone care to share their tuning specs 
if they are using a Holley 770,  Performer RPM intake and MSD 
distributor (on a big block)? So far I have  tried 32 to 38 
degrees total timing, left the blue bushing in the  distributor 
and changed the springs to the light blue to get all advance 
in  by 3000 RPM. Left the carb jetting stock (probably could 
lean it outsome  as I'm at 4800 ft.) Haven't seen much in 
the way in performanceincreases  so far.  
Thanks,  Bob Belz
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RE: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[396guy]

You meant the SS? :*)

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  eagle1978Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:28 PMTo: 
  eagle1978; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
  Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products 
  ?
  I mint the sis not the sis (spell 
  check)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
eagle1978 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:26 
PM
Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

I think I would be 
 cool to bring back the chevelle 
and maybe the sis chevelle

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  rick schaefer 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:06 
  PM
  Subject: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
  Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  GM is bringing back the GTO next year. Its a 5.7 
  liter V8, imported from Australia. The Impala SS is rumored to 
  return, but I'd bet that its with a super/turbo charged V6. Probably 
  too expensive to retro fit a V8 in the current chassis. For Sure - 
  They are bringing back a Silverado SS next fall, but i don't have a clue 
  as to power. Probably LS1 camaro/fbird variation. After all they 
  wont have any Z28s to put the LS1 into.rick-- "Ken's 
  Email" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:Yo:I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic 
  chevys. But, what is going on with Chevy and Muscle cars ?I just read 
  that Ford is coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang Mach I 
  with 300 Horsepower. This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and the Ford 
  Thunderbird.Chevy discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come 
  back.So, anyone know what is Chevy doing to compete with Ford who 
  appears to be uping the ante ?Thanks,Big Ken Robert Belz 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey 
  Rob,Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. Thanks 
  for thetip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb suggests 
  jetting down 1step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like that might 
  not be the way to go.If I do try that and get a stumble I'll know 
  what's going on. Looks like Ijust need to play. Wish I was rich, the 
  chassis dyno I mentioned in earlierposts can be rented for $600 per 
  day. That would be a great way to quantifyany changes besides seat of 
  the pants.Thanks again,Bob Belz 71 SS454- Original 
  Message -From: "Rob Thorburn" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 
  2002 9:25 AMSubject: Re: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips 
  anyone? Hi Bob: Even if someone had a BB 
  with all of those parts, it would be a different setup because of 
  the tranny, the ring and pinion gear, and so on. 1. Get in that: 
  I'm Goin' fishin' mood, you know: I'm going to waste away the 
  whole day, but I'm not a bum, because I'm fishin'. 2. Find some 
  isolated area, away from residential, where you can tear offa 
  couple of gears. I have a freeway on-ramp. 3. Change the total 
  timing in two degree increments. Start at 30degrees, run up 
  the ramp, then again at 32, and so on. Jot down your impression of 
  each timing setting. As you get away from the ideal setting it 
  should become obvious. 4. The same idea with the jetting. 
  Jump two jets at a time, starting with the stock jetting. Leaning 
  a Holley, most often, causes undesireable effects, such as bog or 
  stumble. Even for your elevation, never underestimate a Big 
  block's love of fuel! A stumble is a "too lean" condition, one 
  hundred percent of the time. I will go out on a limb andsay 
  that you cannot make a engine fall on its face with too much fuel. A 
  too rich condition will cause a loss of chrisp acceleration. You 
  will sense that the engine is cleaning out through that too rich 
  part. The mostcommon over rich error is over modifying the 
  accelerator pump, most all other errors are too lean. If you have 
  a big cam, and/or headers, the enginewill want more fuel than 
  what Holley jetted for. Have fun; Rob '67 
  Malibu '67 El Camino (still in a basket) 
  - Original Message - From: "Robert Belz"  To: 
   Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:18 PM Subject: 
  [Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone?  Anyone 
  care to share their tuning specs if they are using a Holley 770, 
   Performer RPM intake and MSD distributor (on a big block)? So far I 
  have  tried 32 to 38 degrees total timing, left the blue 
  bushing in the  distributor and changed the springs to the 
  light blue to get all advance in  by 3000 RPM. Left 
  the carb jetting stock (probably could lean it outsome  as 
  I'm a

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Drippylimb]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, DARN SPELL CHECK.
it got ya again kyle...

Dan McIntosh
65 Malibu

In a message dated 7/11/2002 6:31:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 mint the sis not the sis (spell check)

Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[eagle1978]

yes
kyle m

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  396guy 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:31 
  PM
  Subject: RE: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
  Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  
  You meant the SS? :*)
  
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
eagle1978Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:28 PMTo: 
eagle1978; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products 
?
I mint the sis not the sis (spell 
check)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  eagle1978 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
  Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  
  I think I would be 
   cool to bring back the 
  chevelle and maybe the sis chevelle
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
rick schaefer 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:06 
PM
Subject: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
GM is bringing back the GTO next year. Its a 5.7 
liter V8, imported from Australia. The Impala SS is rumored 
to return, but I'd bet that its with a super/turbo charged V6. 
Probably too expensive to retro fit a V8 in the current chassis. For 
Sure - They are bringing back a Silverado SS next fall, but i don't have 
a clue as to power. Probably LS1 camaro/fbird variation. After all 
they wont have any Z28s to put the LS1 into.rick-- 
"Ken's Email" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:Yo:I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic 
chevys. But, what is going on with Chevy and Muscle cars ?I just 
read that Ford is coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang 
Mach I with 300 Horsepower. This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and 
the Ford Thunderbird.Chevy discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come 
back.So, anyone know what is Chevy doing to compete with Ford who 
appears to be uping the ante ?Thanks,Big Ken Robert 
Belz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Hey Rob,Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. 
Thanks for thetip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb 
suggests jetting down 1step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like 
that might not be the way to go.If I do try that and get a stumble 
I'll know what's going on. Looks like Ijust need to play. Wish I was 
rich, the chassis dyno I mentioned in earlierposts can be rented for 
$600 per day. That would be a great way to quantifyany changes 
besides seat of the pants.Thanks again,Bob Belz 71 
SS454- Original Message -From: "Rob Thorburn" 
To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:25 AMSubject: Re: 
[Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone? Hi 
Bob: Even if someone had a BB with all of those parts, 
it would be a different setup because of the tranny, the ring 
and pinion gear, and so on. 1. Get in that: I'm Goin' fishin' 
mood, you know: I'm going to waste away the whole day, but I'm 
not a bum, because I'm fishin'. 2. Find some isolated area, away 
from residential, where you can tear offa couple of gears. I 
have a freeway on-ramp. 3. Change the total timing in two degree 
increments. Start at 30degrees, run up the ramp, then again 
at 32, and so on. Jot down your impression of each timing 
setting. As you get away from the ideal setting it should become 
obvious. 4. The same idea with the jetting. Jump two jets at a 
time, starting with the stock jetting. Leaning a Holley, most 
often, causes undesireable effects, such as bog or stumble. Even 
for your elevation, never underestimate a Big block's love of 
fuel! A stumble is a "too lean" condition, one hundred percent 
of the time. I will go out on a limb andsay that you cannot 
make a engine fall on its face with too much fuel. A too rich 
condition will cause a loss of chrisp acceleration. You will 
sense that the engine is cleaning out through that too rich 
part. The mostcommon over rich error is over modifying the 
accelerator pump, most all other errors are too lean. If you 
have a big cam, and/or headers, the enginewill want more 
fuel than what Holley jetted for. Have fun; Rob 
'67 Malibu '67 El Camino (still in a 
basket) - Original Message - 
From: "Robert Belz"  To:  Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 
7:18 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips 
anyone?  Anyone c

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[eagle1978]

it drives me nuts some times
kyle m

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:38 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang 
  Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, DARN 
  SPELL CHECK. it got ya again kyle... Dan McIntosh 65 Malibu 
  In a message dated 7/11/2002 6:31:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
  
  mint the sis not the sis (spell check)

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[MICRLASER]

Technically Speaking the Chevelle still does exist. The Malibu, has to be a Chevelle before a Malibu :-), at least in the old days it was. Definately not the same though, FWD, ick, makes me cringe, LOL. 

Tom

Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Chad Playso]

i personally dont like the idea of the gto coming 
out again. i didnt like it when the malibu came out-particulary cause its 
a 4 door 4 banger, so at least this GTO will have a V8 with 300+ HP. 
:)

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  eagle1978 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:26 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
  Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  
  I think I would be 
   cool to bring back the chevelle 
  and maybe the sis chevelle
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
rick schaefer 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:06 
PM
Subject: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
GM is bringing back the GTO next year. Its a 5.7 liter 
V8, imported from Australia. The Impala SS is rumored to return, 
but I'd bet that its with a super/turbo charged V6. Probably too 
expensive to retro fit a V8 in the current chassis. For Sure - They are 
bringing back a Silverado SS next fall, but i don't have a clue as to power. 
Probably LS1 camaro/fbird variation. After all they wont have any Z28s 
to put the LS1 into.rick-- "Ken's Email" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:Yo:I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic chevys. 
But, what is going on with Chevy and Muscle cars ?I just read that Ford 
is coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang Mach I with 300 
Horsepower. This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and the Ford 
Thunderbird.Chevy discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come back.So, 
anyone know what is Chevy doing to compete with Ford who appears to be uping 
the ante ?Thanks,Big Ken Robert Belz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey 
Rob,Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. Thanks for 
thetip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb suggests jetting down 
1step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like that might not be the way to 
go.If I do try that and get a stumble I'll know what's going on. Looks 
like Ijust need to play. Wish I was rich, the chassis dyno I mentioned 
in earlierposts can be rented for $600 per day. That would be a great 
way to quantifyany changes besides seat of the pants.Thanks 
again,Bob Belz 71 SS454- Original Message -From: 
"Rob Thorburn" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:25 AMSubject: 
Re: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips anyone? Hi 
Bob: Even if someone had a BB with all of those parts, it 
would be a different setup because of the tranny, the ring and 
pinion gear, and so on. 1. Get in that: I'm Goin' fishin' mood, you 
know: I'm going to waste away the whole day, but I'm not a bum, 
because I'm fishin'. 2. Find some isolated area, away from 
residential, where you can tear offa couple of gears. I have a 
freeway on-ramp. 3. Change the total timing in two degree 
increments. Start at 30degrees, run up the ramp, then again at 
32, and so on. Jot down your impression of each timing setting. As 
you get away from the ideal setting it should become 
obvious. 4. The same idea with the jetting. Jump two jets at a time, 
starting with the stock jetting. Leaning a Holley, most often, 
causes undesireable effects, such as bog or stumble. Even for your 
elevation, never underestimate a Big block's love of fuel! A stumble 
is a "too lean" condition, one hundred percent of the time. I will 
go out on a limb andsay that you cannot make a engine fall on 
its face with too much fuel. A too rich condition will cause a loss 
of chrisp acceleration. You will sense that the engine is cleaning 
out through that too rich part. The mostcommon over rich error 
is over modifying the accelerator pump, most all other errors are 
too lean. If you have a big cam, and/or headers, the enginewill 
want more fuel than what Holley jetted for. Have 
fun; Rob '67 Malibu '67 El Camino (still in a 
basket) - Original Message - From: 
"Robert Belz"  To:  Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 7:18 
PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips 
anyone?  Anyone care to share their tuning specs 
if they are using a Holley 770,  Performer RPM intake and MSD 
distributor (on a big block)? So far I have  tried 32 to 38 
degrees total timing, left the blue bushing in the  distributor 
and changed the springs to the light blue to get all advance 
in  by 3000 RPM. Left the carb jetting stock (probably could 
lean it outsome  as I'm at 4800 ft.) Haven't seen much in 
the way in performanceincreases  so far.  
Thanks,  Bob Belz
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Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Kelly C. Hanna]

i personally dont like the idea of the gto coming out again.i didnt like it when the malibu came out-particulary
cause its a 4 door 4 banger, so at least this GTO will have a V8 with 300+ HP. :)

The last new car I liked was the Monte Carlo SS 83-87...then I owned one...what a mistake that was. I'm stickin' to the pre '79's from now on. The new re-releases are sad...wanna Goat? Get a real one...they cost less!



Kelly Jana Hanna

www.hannawoodworks.com

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[MICRLASER]

most of the Malibus have V-6's in them, and they do have some balls believe it or not. The new GTO to be imported from Australia from what I understand is to have closer to 400 HP without any mods. Think of what it will do when the aftermarket gets a hold of it, can we say Stang Stomper :-). RWD a bonus. Besides the new GTO is supposed to incorporate some design patterns of the one of the older GTO's, not sure of what year though.

Tom

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[MICRLASER]

In a message dated 7/11/2002 10:51:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I'm stickin' to the pre '79's from now on. The new re-releases are sad...wanna Goat? Get a real one...they cost less!


Kelly  Jana Hanna 
www.hannawoodworks.com 


This is so true, that is why the next car I put on the road is going to be 1980 or older, Easy to sneak it through inspection in NJ. '80 and older is not subject to the dyno test and there is none of that computer crap on them. I should have kept that 77 Malibu we scrapped and put a big block in it or the 72 Caprice that my mom used to have.

Tom

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[eagle1978]

ya but I am talking a car with chevelle 
emblems and chevelle hp if you know what I am talking about.a car with red 
300+ hp and a fierce look. maybe like a combo of all the looks of the 
chevelle.
kyle m

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:38 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang 
  Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  Technically Speaking the Chevelle 
  still does exist. The Malibu, has to be a Chevelle before a Malibu :-), 
  at least in the old days it was. Definately not the same though, FWD, 
  ick, makes me cringe, LOL. Tom 

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Kelly C. Hanna]

In a message dated 7/11/2002 10:51:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I'm stickin' to the pre '79's from now on. The new re-releases are sad...wanna Goat? Get a real one...they cost less!


Kelly Jana Hanna
www.hannawoodworks.com


This is so true, that is why the next car I put on the road is going to be 1980 or older, Easy to sneak it through
inspection in NJ.'80 and older is not subject to the dyno test and there is none of that computer crap on them.

Amen to that...also the last 350's in A bodies were in '79...I also despise 305's...twice bitten


Kelly Jana Hanna

www.hannawoodworks.com

Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Kelly C. Hanna]

Aim sticking to pre 72s

I wanted to as well, but they've gone out of my range price wise...at least for a daily driver anyway.


Kelly Jana Hanna

www.hannawoodworks.com

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Don]

...just thinking
wonder if you could put in a V8  
convert it to a rear wheel drive...
Technically Speaking the Chevelle still does 
  exist. The Malibu, has to be a Chevelle before a Malibu :-), at least in 
  the old days it was. Definately not the same though, FWD, ick, makes me 
  cringe, LOL. Tom 

Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Don]

  I think I'll reserve my opinion until 
  I've actually seen or driven one. I keep hoping that maybe..just 
  maybe..someday they'll do something right again.
  Don
  i personally dont like the idea of the gto coming out 
  again.i didnt like it when the malibu came 
  out-particularycause its a 4 door 4 banger, so at least this GTO 
  will have a V8 with 300+ HP. :)
  
  The last new car I liked was the Monte Carlo SS 83-87...then I owned 
  one...what a mistake that was. I'm stickin' to the pre '79's from now on. The 
  new re-releases are sad...wanna Goat? Get a real one...they cost 
  less!Kelly Jana 
  Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com 

Re: [Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[MICRLASER]

In a message dated 7/11/2002 11:21:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


...just thinking
wonder if you could put in a V8  convert it to a rear wheel drive...



I don't see whynot. make a custom subframe, 9" Ford Rear/4 link setup, cut out the center floor and make a tranny hump, have a driveshaft made up and away we go :-D. Woohoo more ideas. What about an Olds Toronado setup, they had V-8 and FWD setups. Or ya could just take the body and mount it up on a full frame setup V-8/RWD.

Tom

Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

[Galen and Melissa Love]

I'm all for the new GTO. As you already know, 
it's an imported Holden (GM's Australian brand) rebadged as a Pontiac. 
I've been keeping an eye on the Holden cars for the past few years, wishing that 
GM would wise up and bring them to America. They've got some cars that 
people here would love to have, but they just haven't offered them here. 
Take for instance the HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) ClubSport R8 (check out the 
website at www.hsv.com.au). It's an 
awesome family car (did you hear that?-- the wife will dig it!!!) with 
rear wheel drive, an LS-1, and a 6-speed manual transmission. You can keep 
the minivan, I'll take one of these! 

From what I've heard, GM is planning to use the GTO 
as somewhat of a test. If the response is good the GTO, they'll likely 
follow up by bringing other Holden vehicles over -- we can only hope. 
Also, from a quality standpoint, Holden is the rated to be one of GM's best 
brands (I read that recently in one of my automotive engineering 
magazines).

Anyway, there's my 2 cents...
Galen

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chad 
  Playso 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:42 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
  Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  
  i personally dont like the idea of the gto coming 
  out again. i didnt like it when the malibu came out-particulary cause 
  its a 4 door 4 banger, so at least this GTO will have a V8 with 300+ HP. 
  :)
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
eagle1978 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:26 
PM
Subject: Re: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?

I think I would be 
 cool to bring back the chevelle 
and maybe the sis chevelle

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  rick schaefer 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:06 
  PM
  Subject: Re:[Chevelle-List] Ford 
  Mustang Mach I versus new Chevy Products ?
  GM is bringing back the GTO next year. Its a 5.7 
  liter V8, imported from Australia. The Impala SS is rumored to 
  return, but I'd bet that its with a super/turbo charged V6. Probably 
  too expensive to retro fit a V8 in the current chassis. For Sure - 
  They are bringing back a Silverado SS next fall, but i don't have a clue 
  as to power. Probably LS1 camaro/fbird variation. After all they 
  wont have any Z28s to put the LS1 into.rick-- "Ken's 
  Email" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:Yo:I am a chevy guy and have 3 classic 
  chevys. But, what is going on with Chevy and Muscle cars ?I just read 
  that Ford is coming out this year with a new retro Ford Mustang Mach I 
  with 300 Horsepower. This follows the Ford Mustang Bullitt, and the Ford 
  Thunderbird.Chevy discontinued the Camaro. The GTO may come 
  back.So, anyone know what is Chevy doing to compete with Ford who 
  appears to be uping the ante ?Thanks,Big Ken Robert Belz 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey 
  Rob,Thanks for your input. I like the goin' fishin' analogy. Thanks 
  for thetip on jetting. The Holley manual for that carb suggests 
  jetting down 1step for every 2000 ft. but it sounds like that might 
  not be the way to go.If I do try that and get a stumble I'll know 
  what's going on. Looks like Ijust need to play. Wish I was rich, the 
  chassis dyno I mentioned in earlierposts can be rented for $600 per 
  day. That would be a great way to quantifyany changes besides seat of 
  the pants.Thanks again,Bob Belz 71 SS454- Original 
  Message -From: "Rob Thorburn" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 
  2002 9:25 AMSubject: Re: [Chevelle-List] tuning tips 
  anyone? Hi Bob: Even if someone had a BB 
  with all of those parts, it would be a different setup because of 
  the tranny, the ring and pinion gear, and so on. 1. Get in that: 
  I'm Goin' fishin' mood, you know: I'm going to waste away the 
  whole day, but I'm not a bum, because I'm fishin'. 2. Find some 
  isolated area, away from residential, where you can tear offa 
  couple of gears. I have a freeway on-ramp. 3. Change the total 
  timing in two degree increments. Start at 30degrees, run up 
  the ramp, then again at 32, and so on. Jot down your impression of 
  each timing setting. As you get away from the ideal setting it 
  should become obvious. 4. The same idea with the jetting. 
  Jump two jets at a time, starting with the stock jetting. Leaning 
  a Holley, most often, causes undesireable effects, such as bog or 
  stumble. Even for your elevation, never underestimate a Big 
  block's love of fuel! A stumble is a "too lean" condition, one 
  hundred percent of the time. I will go out on a limb ands