Re: [CinCV] Cannot solve this problem
On 21/11/12 23:12, Basil Chupin wrote: [ and applied the 'Grandma's Fix', Using the Graphical User Interface - WinFF, and then followed the instructions given there to convert the mpg file - ie, used Cinelerra intermediate formats and Select DNxHD as Preset. When I do that I get the following error message: Sorry about that. I didn't realise that the graphic would not be accepted here. However, the error message can be seen here: http://susepaste.org/25335932 BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cannot solve this problem
On 21/11/12 23:39, Haldun ALTAN wrote: Did you tried to fix the window to the picture with the right clic on the time line ? Sometimes window is not calibrated to the image .. haldun Thanks, Haldun, but, yes, I did try both options there about resizing. None helped. Just to give you, et al, an idea of what I talking about here is what the original film looks like: http://susepaste.org/38587013 Here is what it shows in the Viewer and the Compositor windows in Cinelerra: http://susepaste.org/82285960 and here is what the frames on the Timeline look: http://susepaste.org/18058509 BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cannot solve this problem
On 22/11/12 00:18, Herman Robak wrote: På Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:12:25 +0100, skrev Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au: However, when I put the ABOVE file, after it has been converted to avi by mencoder, into Cinelerra, the resulting edited file which appears in the COMPOSITOR window is a zoomed version of the original- ie, I lose part of the picture on all 4 sides. BUT, the TIMELINE shows each frame as it should look - ie, there is no loss of picture and all the details is therefore there as in the original recording. I'm pretty sure it's because the track canvas size is smaller than the video's and the project's resolution. Old annoyance, that has bitten me time and again. Do as Haldun suggested, right-click on the video track, and pick the to project size item. That should do the trick. Aside: Sometimes, smaller sized tracks ARE useful. But Cinelerra's behaviour does not quite fit the user model, obviously. Thanks for the response, Herman. I tried what Haldun suggested - without success. What has me a puzzled is the 4:3 format followed by the 16:9 format in the mpg file details (shown in the first post of mine). The original film has a sort of 4:3 formaty look when it starts which then changes into something like 2.20:1 format after a few minutes and then the format changes to 16:9. So there appears to be 3 formats within several minutes of the film (at the beginning). BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Video/Audi sync problem. Can anyone please help?
On 15/11/12 23:53, Herman Robak wrote: På Thu, 15 Nov 2012 05:07:42 +0100, skrev Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au: On 15/11/12 02:59, Herman Robak wrote: [pruned] You sound like someone who knows something so can you explain this, please :-) . Uh-oh... :-) You are being too modest. You know heaps more than anyone here I suspect. [pruned] When exactly does the audio start - is it when the audio level meter appears on the right-hand side of the Compositor window or when the actual *sound* is heard (to match the appearance of the synthesiser)? When the sound is heard, obviously. Which is what I thought and which is what I used to set the Audio Default. With the audio problem I was having I thought it best just to make sure that what I did was correct. Before going on, sorry for not replying earlier but I was doing some editing on Cinelerra just to confirm what I will write now I solved the problem with the audio sync. What had happened was that some files on my system were updated and Cinelerra was also updated at the same time. This, added to the fact that I am new to Cinelerra and therefore still finding my feet, resulted in some setting or something, somewhere, being changed. What I have been doing over the past couple of days was to go back to basics and reset all the preferences and did some editing to see if the sync is now holding. Everything is fine now. However, what I also found is that occasionally the audio would go out of sync after some point even though it was fine for most of the file prior to that point. Pinpointing the reason took a bit of time. What was causing the problem was that a few frames were somehow corrupted[*] and as a result threw the audio and video out of sync subsequent to these corrupted frames. Once I found the cause, I used the Video Effect Delay Video [by 0.7 seconds in my case] from that point to the end of the file - and the video/audio were in sync again. A most valuable learning experience was had over the past few days :-) . [*] When playing back the file at normal speed these frames were not even noticeable - but the video/audio mismatch was certainly noticeable. [pruned] BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Video/Audi sync problem. Can anyone please help?
On 14/11/12 19:10, Einar Rünkaru wrote: Hi. On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 14/11/12 06:53, Einar R�nkaru wrote: Hi. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: OK, there is the facility to *nudge* the audio to sync with the video. But any nudging starts off on the wrong foot because the Audio Offset is operating and so while you think that the video and audio are in sync on the timeline the final render will be out of sync because the Audio Offset is ignored. If my understanding of things is as I just mentioned then the use of the Audio Offset is a waste of time and one should simply edit a file with Audio Offset = 0.000 and only use the Nudge facility to synchronise video/audio. Am I misunderstanding things? There are systems where is certain delay in audio playback path. On these systems Audio Offset is needed to compensate this delay. There are systems where this copensation is not needed. The intended usage of this setting is during setup of cinelerra. Nudge is editing tool. User can use it to synchronize audio/video. Cinelerra assumes that audio and video start exactly at the same time. With digital video this assumption is not always true. Thanks for the reply, Einar. Yes, I understand all this. What I don't understand is why this has to be an affliction to Cinelerra because whatever video I watch thru VLC, MPlayer, xine, kaffeine has perfect sync. But what is most puzzling is that - and I repeat this once again - I created 4 parts of a series which are perfectly in sync, whether I play them in Cinelerra or any of the players, but this last one just won't sync once it hits Cinlelerra. Well, sorry, not quite correct: I can get it to sync in Cinelerra using the Nudge facility but when I render the file this nudge setting is absent and I get a mouth moving with the sound coming after the mouth has moved on to better things :-) . I have looked at many tutorials on YouTube re Cinlelerra and I cannot see any of them covering this matter. (And the manual is more confusing than helpful in many instances - it seems that it was thrown together just for the sake of producing a manual to be read by someone who already knows all about Cinlelerra.) Cinellerra is a powerful tool. Powerful tools are not simple to use. Cinelerra is not very intuitive tool. The manual is quite good, at leat it exists. I recommend to read the manual at least twice and refer to it again during usage. Einar BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Video/Audi sync problem. Can anyone please help?
On 15/11/12 02:16, Tom Judge wrote: There is an audio offset in the settings audio section ibelievethat effects the render Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: On 14/11/12 06:53, Einar Rünkaru wrote: Hi. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Basil Chupinblchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: The video/audio is actually 1.4 seconds out and for which I have adjusted the Preferences but this setting doesn't seem to stick when the project is being rendered into a *.mov file. The setting in preferences affects only playback in cinelerra. Use nudge if there is syncronization error in rendered file. Thanks for this, Einar, and this point now has me most puzzled for a number of reasons - the first being is that I produced 4 parts of the series and they all look excellent when played back with, say, VLC; it is the 5th part which is causing me hassles. The real hassle I have with this is that I looked at the manual again and what you say is correct which then leads one to ask the question: of what use is the Audio Offset when the it is not taken into account when the file is rendered? Its only use appears to be to make you view a file in Cinelerra *only* so that its video and audio are in sync. But this only leads to the wrong outcome in the rendered file. OK, there is the facility to *nudge* the audio to sync with the video. But any nudging starts off on the wrong foot because the Audio Offset is operating and so while you think that the video and audio are in sync on the timeline the final render will be out of sync because the Audio Offset is ignored. If my understanding of things is as I just mentioned then the use of the Audio Offset is a waste of time and one should simply edit a file with Audio Offset = 0.000 and only use the Nudge facility to synchronise video/audio. Am I misunderstanding things? I have looked at many tutorials on YouTube re Cinlelerra and I cannot see any of them covering this matter. (And the manual is more confusing than helpful in many instances - it seems that it was thrown together just for the sake of producing a manual to be read by someone who already knows all about Cinlelerra.) BC Yes, it is called Nudge. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Video/Audi sync problem. Can anyone please help?
On 15/11/12 02:59, Herman Robak wrote: På Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:16:52 +0100, skrev Tom Judge tvju...@gmail.com: If my understanding of things is as I just mentioned then the use of the Audio Offset is a waste of time and one should simply edit a file with Audio Offset = 0.000 Not quite... and only use the Nudge facility to synchronise video/audio. Yes. Am I misunderstanding things? As far as I have understood, Audio Offset is for _calibration_, and nudge is for _correction_. Thanks for the response, Herman. Yep. As I mentioned to Einar, I wonder why it afflicts Cinelerra when all my tv programs, videos are all in perfect sync - or, at least, so close to being perfect that any difference is not noticeable. Calibration is per computer/installation, and correction is per project/format/track/clip. Now, if only there was a way to reliably calibrate audio/video synchronisation on a computer! I'd like a cheap gizmo, let's call it a Synchrophone, that has a simple microphone and a fast rate low-res sensor (one monochrome pixel might do). I like this idea! :-) Like a clapperboard but only in the form of software. You sound like someone who knows something so can you explain this, please :-) . In the Cinelerra manual, page 23, instructions are given on how to calculate the audio offset. The part which really has me confused is this: Play the timeline from 0 and watch to see if the gradient effect starts exactly when the audio starts. When exactly does the audio start - is it when the audio level meter appears on the right-hand side of the Compositor window or when the actual *sound* is heard (to match the appearance of the synthesiser)? BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] Video/Audi sync problem. Can anyone please help?
I captured a 5-part TV series on my dvb card. The captures are in PAL digital 16:9 format. I have edited all 5 parts (ie, removing commercials) and all 5 parts have perfect video/audio sync when I view the parts in Cinelerra. In fact, I have created an ISO containing parts 1-3 and there is no problem with the sync. Now I want to combine parts 4 and 5 to create a second (and final) DVD. However, while part 4 has perfect video/sound sync the sync on part 5 is way out. I have tried any number of times to render part 5 and, as I said, while the sync is perfect in Cinelerra the final rendered file ( *.mov file - like the other 4 parts) is bad when I view it using VLC or any other viewer (eg MPlayer). The video/audio is actually 1.4 seconds out and for which I have adjusted the Preferences but this setting doesn't seem to stick when the project is being rendered into a *.mov file. The rendering is done using Quicktime for Linux with DV for video and MPEG-4 Audio - but I have also tried Twos Complement. With 4 of the 5 parts successfully rendered I am tearing my hair out figuring out why the 5th part is not playing the game. Can anyone offer a solution, please, or point me to where I may find it? BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU
Re: [CinCV] Video/Audi sync problem. Can anyone please help?
On 14/11/12 03:22, Sean M. Pappalardo wrote: On 11/13/2012 01:43 PM, Basil Chupin wrote: The video/audio is actually 1.4 seconds out and for which I have adjusted the Preferences but this setting doesn't seem to stick when the project is being rendered into a *.mov file. Have you applied any effects or anything or is Cin just copying from the input to output? I sometimes see weird things like this when it just copies input to output on DV files, so I have to add some sort of null effect (like rotate 0 degrees) so that it renders every frame. Have you tried adding something like this to all areas that otherwise don't render? No, Sean, no effects added in the way I understand you may mean but I do apply transitions like Fade Out for both video and audio where the ads were removed. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU
Re: [CinCV] Video/Audi sync problem. Can anyone please help?
On 14/11/12 06:53, Einar Rünkaru wrote: Hi. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au wrote: The video/audio is actually 1.4 seconds out and for which I have adjusted the Preferences but this setting doesn't seem to stick when the project is being rendered into a *.mov file. The setting in preferences affects only playback in cinelerra. Use nudge if there is syncronization error in rendered file. Thanks for this, Einar, and this point now has me most puzzled for a number of reasons - the first being is that I produced 4 parts of the series and they all look excellent when played back with, say, VLC; it is the 5th part which is causing me hassles. The real hassle I have with this is that I looked at the manual again and what you say is correct which then leads one to ask the question: of what use is the Audio Offset when the it is not taken into account when the file is rendered? Its only use appears to be to make you view a file in Cinelerra *only* so that its video and audio are in sync. But this only leads to the wrong outcome in the rendered file. OK, there is the facility to *nudge* the audio to sync with the video. But any nudging starts off on the wrong foot because the Audio Offset is operating and so while you think that the video and audio are in sync on the timeline the final render will be out of sync because the Audio Offset is ignored. If my understanding of things is as I just mentioned then the use of the Audio Offset is a waste of time and one should simply edit a file with Audio Offset = 0.000 and only use the Nudge facility to synchronise video/audio. Am I misunderstanding things? I have looked at many tutorials on YouTube re Cinlelerra and I cannot see any of them covering this matter. (And the manual is more confusing than helpful in many instances - it seems that it was thrown together just for the sake of producing a manual to be read by someone who already knows all about Cinlelerra.) BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra-cv 2.2 stability ?
On 12/11/12 21:42, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: Hello, Three/four years ago I used to be a very happy Cinelerra user, on a 64bits set up with may be Cinelerra-cv 2.1 (I am not sure yet). Cinelerra was rock stable when it came to video editing even with large project around 60 minutes. Videos were DV files taken from hand video recorder. Yesterday, I pickup latest stable cinelerra-cv 2.2 from its PPA Launchpad archive. Installed it in my Linux Mint 13 32 bits system. I went to edit videocast (Ogg/Theora video files at 1024x768, 15fps, one audio channel) and Cinerella proved to be very unstable when I came to play on the timeline and do the usual stuff (frequent and random crashes, some more or less repeatable). Does it come from my system or is it something familiar to you? Thanks Hilaire Fernandes I am new to Cinelerra but have been using it now for several days and with one exception have had no problems with it. In fact, I just finished a few minutes ago editing an hour long documentary and rendered it ready for converting into a DVD using DeVeDe. The one case where I had a problem is when there is no directory which Cinelerra needs it simply crashes - no error message, just vanishes off the screen. I am a happy camper using Cinelerra (and DeVeDe). But if you look at my signature line below, I am not using the 32-bit version. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.3 kernel 3.6.6-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
On 06/11/12 20:32, Raffaella Traniello wrote: Ciao! On 11/06/2012 05:20 AM, Basil Chupin wrote: I looked at this- http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php which shows that Cinelerra CV has not been compiled for Ubuntu for quite some time ... actually it shows only that I forgot to update that page!! Sorry about that. I'll fix it as soon as I can. Ciao! Raffaella Ah! Well, there you are: the answer is readily at hand :-) . BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.2 kernel 3.6.5-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalardo wrote: On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote: https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa I created the cinelerra-cv PPA repository for cases where multiple version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However, that created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, and out of date. Does this apply to everyone? Like is the CV version itself no longer maintained and we should all use Heroine's version 4.x? If that's not the case, for those of us running straight Debian, is deb-multimedia still the recommended place to get the packages? Thanks for the clarification. The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one way, of the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what it considers to be relevant to it aims. What your problem is is that the CV is not being compiled from source file for Ubuntu. On the other hand, I am using openSUSE and I have the very latest Cinelerra CV - released only a day or so ago - readily available (and installed). BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.2 kernel 3.6.5-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
On 06/11/12 03:03, Nicola Ferralis wrote: BC Once again, the current cinelerra PPA is compiled from source (CV) for Ubuntu, in fact it is for pretty much every recent release. The current binaries are based on the codebase 2.2 with the recent patches. I am not sure why you keep saying that CV is not compiled from source for CV. I have no interest nor motivation to make another ppa for the HW, maybe someone else can take that task. When time will allow me, I will try to modify the package names to reflect that what is in the PPA really is cinelerra-cv. NF Ummm, what would you compile it from other than the source? :-) I looked at this- http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php which shows that Cinelerra CV has not been compiled for Ubuntu for quite some time - but I got my copy updated only a few hours ago with the latest update release made available only some 4 hours ago (at the time of writing this). BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.2 kernel 3.6.5-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
On 06/11/12 02:21, Murray Strome wrote: *From:* Basil Chupin blchu...@iinet.net.au *To:* cinelerra@skolelinux.no *Sent:* Monday, November 5, 2012 5:02:17 AM *Subject:* Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalardo wrote: On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote: https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa https://launchpad.net/%7Ecinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa I created the cinelerra-cv PPA repository for cases where multiple version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However, that created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, and out of date. Does this apply to everyone? Like is the CV version itself no longer maintained and we should all use Heroine's version 4.x? If that's not the case, for those of us running straight Debian, is deb-multimedia still the recommended place to get the packages? Thanks for the clarification. The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one way, of the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what it considers to be relevant to it aims. What your problem is is that the CV is not being compiled from source file for Ubuntu. On the other hand, I am using openSUSE and I have the very latest Cinelerra CV - released only a day or so ago - readily available (and installed). BC I am using Ubuntu 12.10 and would not want to change distributions simply to be able to use Cinelerra-CV. I am getting the impression that the CV version is not being kept up to date for Ubuntu, and perhaps not for many other distributions such as Debian. Is that correct? If so, I guess I will have to stick with the HW Version. Murray Which distro you use is not for me to say but I have tried (almost) all of them and there is nothing as good as... :-) . I looked here to see which versions were available for which distro- http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php Whether this list is up to date, I don' know. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.2 kernel 3.6.5-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair Vengeance RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU
