[CinCV] Mailinglist transition

[Christian Thaeter]

Hi Cinelerrians,

we finally moving the ML away from skolelinux to our own server
(cinelerra-cv.org) this was planned since years. Please don't be
confused when you get Mailinglist subscription mails from 
 "Cinelerra" 

This is unrelated to the efforts Michael Collins does on
'cinelerra.org'. (On a sidenote: I disagree in the why he shanghaied
the website and did it all without contacting the current users and
developers, but he has some good points about stalled development and
website maintenance. In the future I hope we find some way to merge this
project back together)

Hermanr is transiting the subscriptions from the old to the
new mailinglist and we looking forward to migrate the old ML archives
too.

The webinterface for the new ML is at:
  http://lists.cinelerra-cv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cinelerra

Herman will move the subscriptions over, you don't need to take action.

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Re: [CinCV] Announcement from Michael Collins (the new registrant of cinelerra.org)

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Sat, 08 Mar 2014 23:32:58 +0100
schrieb "Herman Robak" :

>** Michael Collins asked me to forward this to the list **
> 
> 
> To all Cinelerra List members:   March 8, 2014
> 
> 
> We intend to rebuild the user list and efforts through the
> establishment of a collaborative network on a new site design
> oriented towards modern development collaboration and messaging
> methods. If you have anything you wish to do with Cinelerra in the
> near and planned future, let us know:
> 
> l...@cinelerra.org
> 
> Please feel free to contact me through this e-mail or through a new
> list being established to be merged with the old list.
> 
> My direct e-mail is michael.coll...@cinelerra.org
> 
> Yes, my methods are for communication is a little different, but, I am
> open and willing to listen and to collaborate. So, if you have any
> ideas about tools, UI, networking, kernel coding, marketing, sales,
> user support, developer support, web site, or anything you can think
> of and is important to you, let me know.
> 
> 
> My direct e-mail is michael.coll...@cinelerra.org
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike Collins


So how to proceed?

Diverting the cinelerra community even further will certainly be the
death of the community project. IMO the only ones who can decide on
this are the people who are actually involved with the project.
Recently that are Einar and Monty because they did some coding and
Raffa as she holds the cinelerra-cv.org domain. Anyone else? just speak
up if you feel to be ignored.

I think only one site should remain, either we redirect
cinelerra-cv.org to cinelerra.org and let Michael handle the stuff,
shutting our server down, or we ask him to collaborate with us and
forward cinelerra.org to our server. Did I miss any other option?

Monty told on IRC that he won't mind if Michael takes over. Einar and
Raffa, what do you think?

I kept the Server running (even if it was poorly paied) because I don't
want the project die. Michaels action now changed the situation. Now
letting the project split up may make it worse. This case should be
settled ASAP. Awaitung your opinions.


Christian





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Re: [CinCV] apache config updated, irclog and trac are back.

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Sat, 8 Mar 2014 19:54:45 +0530
schrieb Bhikkhu Mettavihari :

> Hi Simeon
> 
> Perhaps you could explain this to me also and we could get the wiki
> back.
> 
> Please look at this link
> http://cinelerra-cv.org/docs/
> and please look at the files in this folder
> 
> Why can I not see the wiki folder in the above link when the folder is
> there.

I just disabled the wiki sometime ago (chmod -w) because it had a
massive spam problem. Unless someone can reliable and sustainable care
for this i'd recommend to keep it disabled, no data got lost and it
should be feed back into the official documentation, maybe set up a doc
git repository as we do for lumiera, but see below.

About git for the server data: that was just a suggestion from me, I'd
like to help to set it up and give some introduction, but I do not want
to make the decision if the cinelerra team really wants to use git for
the web stuff. Someone who cares more for the web content might speak
up please.


Christian


> 
> cinelerra:/var/www/cv/docs# ls -al
> total 30184
> drwxrwxr-x 11 git  www-data4096 Dec 31  2007 .
> drwxrwsr-x 29 git  www-data4096 Mar  3 16:02 ..
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data  408234 Dec 11  2006
> cincv_man_en_ed067.texi -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data  645258 Mar  8
> 2008 cinelerra_cv_manual_en.html -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data 6180423
> Mar  8  2008 cinelerra_cv_manual_en.pdf -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data
> 472220 Mar  8  2008 cinelerra_cv_manual_en.txt -rw-rw-r--  1 root
> www-data  409889 Dec 23  2006 cinelerra_cv_manual_en_ed073.texi
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data  663952 Feb 11  2009
> cinelerra_cv_manual_es.html -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data 5702834 Oct
> 8  2007 cinelerra_cv_manual_es.pdf -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data
> 456171 Oct  8  2007 cinelerra_cv_manual_es.txt -rw-rw-r--  1 root
> www-data  548327 Dec 31  2007 cinelerra_cv_manual_eu.html -rw-rw-r--
> 1 root www-data  402659 Dec 31  2007 cinelerra_cv_manual_eu.txt
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data  673130 Mar 13  2007
> cinelerra_cv_manual_fr.html -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data 5790581 Mar
> 13  2007 cinelerra_cv_manual_fr.pdf -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data
> 509155 Mar 13  2007 cinelerra_cv_manual_fr.txt -rw-rw-r--  1 root
> www-data  716161 May 31  2008 cinelerra_cv_manual_pt_BR.html
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data 6197855 Jun  1  2008
> cinelerra_cv_manual_pt_BR.pdf -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data  489734 Mar
> 14  2007 cinelerra_cv_manual_pt_BR.texi
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data  537399 May 31  2008
> cinelerra_cv_manual_pt_BR.txt
> drwxrwxr-x  2 root www-data4096 Feb  4  2007 manual_images_en
> drwxrwxr-x  2 root www-data4096 Feb  4  2007 manual_images_fr
> drwxrwxr-x  2 root www-data   12288 Feb  4  2007 manual_images_intl
> -rw-rw-r--  1 root www-data9399 Jan 29  2007 proxychange.py
> drwxrwxr-x  2 root www-data4096 Feb 15  2008 split_manual_en
> drwxrwxr-x  2 root www-data4096 Oct  7  2007 split_manual_es
> drwxrwxr-x  2 root www-data4096 Dec 31  2007 split_manual_eu
> drwxrwxr-x  2 root www-data4096 Mar 13  2007 split_manual_fr
> drwxrwxr-x  2 root www-data4096 Aug 22  2007 split_manual_pt_BR
> 
> *drwxrwxr-x  5 root www-data4096 Aug  4  2008
> wiki*cinelerra:/var/www/cv/docs#
> 
> 
> with metta
> Mettavihari
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Bhikkhu Mettavihari
> wrote:
> 
> > Greetings
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Simeon Völkel
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> while investigating the whereabouts of irclog.cinelerra-cv.org I
> >> recognized
> >> that the apache configs still use cinelerra.org as ServerName and
> >> inside RewriteRules.
> >>
> >>
> >> @Metta (and everyone else who has root on the server):
> >> You find a diff of my changes in
> >> /root/docs/apache2_sites-available_update_to_cinelerra-cv.SimAV.*
> >>
> >> irclog.cinelerra-cv.org
> >> and
> >> bugs.cinelerra-cv.org
> >> are back now.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >> Please note that my changes can't fix the tons of hardcoded
> >> bad/outdated links on the website. That needs separate
> >> manual/scripted fixing and might be done best after moving the
> >> website to git, so all changes get documented
> >> automatically?
> >>
> >
> > I can slowly fix the many links as we get on.
> > But someone need to setup the git and tell me how to use it.
> > I am not familiar with git.
> >
> > Metta.
> >
> 
> 
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Re: [CinCV] Sincere thanks and GIT Repo links needed

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Wed, 5 Mar 2014 08:31:30 -0800
schrieb "MGV-AV Linux" :

> Hi,
> 
> I realize that CinelerraCV is in a real state of flux right now and
> there is so much to do and too few to do it. My sincere thanks to
> Christian, Raffa, Rebecca, Herman, Bhikkhu and any others I have
> missed doing their best to pitch in and help.
> 
> I can't seem to get working GIT URLS to either Monty or Einar's
> branches and would very much like to build and help test them.
> Monty's branch in particular gives me all kinds of weird GIT
> authorization errors. If nobody has time to fix them on the site
> itself I would appreciate someone replying to this email with current
> working links.

the gitweb page is at:
 http://git.cinelerra-cv.org/gitweb

all old urls just need to be corrected from git.cinelerra.org to
git.cinelerra-cv.org Only the name changed, the server is still the old
one.

for example:
  git clone git://git.cinelerra-cv.org/CinelerraCV.git

I haven't tested anything more, please don't hesitate to report any
problems you find on this list.


Christian


> 
> Sincere thanks, Glen MacArthur - AV Linux Maintainer
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Re: [CinCV] Broken Links

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Mon, 3 Mar 2014 20:00:51 +0530
schrieb Bhikkhu Mettavihari :

> Greetings
> 
> I do not know how many people are editing on this site so,
> may I move the unused files and folders out of the active webfolder
> 
> I could put it into /var/www/old/
> After that it is a bit easier to see how many files has this kind of
> errors.

i would suggest to maintain the website in git, if it is not already.
It will be much easier to track changes and do some collaborative work
on it then. I can lend a hand to set this up (sans gitosis setup)

Christian

> 
> Mettavihari
> 
> 
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Christian Thaeter 
> wrote:
> 
> > Am Sun, 2 Mar 2014 07:50:31 +0530
> > schrieb Bhikkhu Mettavihari :
> >
> > > Greetings
> > >
> > > I shall have a look and come back to you
> > > If you find any other links I would much appreciate to have to
> > > page as I am not too familiar with the site
> >
> > just
> >
> >   rgrep 'cinelerra\.org' /var/www/cv
> >
> > on the server will list tons of old links. If possible these should
> > be translated to relative links. Some (many) files might be
> > autogenerated, take care that only the real source which generates
> > these links are changed. Possibly we need some more volunteers for
> > this work.
> >
> > Christian
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Rebecca . 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > >
> > > > Per request to report broken links, a few things I noticed on
> > > > the site -
> > > >
> > > > 1) IRC log no longer works.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I suppose this is the page you are talking about.
> > > http://cinelerra-cv.org/mailinglists.php
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 2) links to the repos (official, Einar's etc).
> > > >
> > >
> > > This one I did not find
> > > Can you please give me a bit more info.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Also testing mailing list still working, per request from Ceteh
> > > > on IRC.
> > > >
> > > > *crosses fingers*
> > > >
> > >
> > > Crossing looks like it is working ;-)
> > >
> > > with metta
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Re: [CinCV] wtf old cinelerra.org ... diffs

[Christian Thaeter]

I've made a diff between our (www.cinelerra-cv.org) and the unknown
hosted www.cinelerra.org website FYI here are some (by far not all) notably 
results:

They added google-analytics almost (didnt checked) everywhere.

Following some (hand cut diffs and comments), I leave the doxygen and docs out, 
tl;dr.

+March 1, 2014
.

The strange News announcement I posted earlier.


--- www.cinelerra-cv.org-work/about.php 2014-03-02 20:27:12.950837162 +0100
+++ www.cinelerra.org-work/about.php2014-03-02 20:26:39.200838516 +0100
@@ -19,13 +19,12 @@
- http://cinelerra-cv.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=getinvolved";>Get 
involved

That link got removed (and its broken on our website since i've disabled the 
spamed wiki)


@@ -33,10 +32,10 @@
- Developer's corner
+ Developer's corner

Thats strange, devcorner becomes svnusage. later there are dates from aug2008, 
could this be a static mirror?


--- www.cinelerra-cv.org-work/contact.php   2014-03-02 20:27:13.077503824 
+0100
+++ www.cinelerra.org-work/contact.php  2014-03-02 20:26:39.770838493 +0100
@@ -59,7 +58,7 @@
  
 
  The Cinelerra CV mailing list 
- 
+ 
 

  Internet Relay Chat (IRC)

The link to this mailinglist got altered to i...@cinelerra.org, people who go 
there will not find our list!
Anyone wants to try to get in contact with the new owner?


The irclogs got not mirrored on cinelerra.org



Overall it looks like the old website was mirrored with some tool some time ago.

I did not check if cinelerra.org distributed and binaries. Since the owner of 
the new website didn't
contect the community I'd be careful and consider this malicious/scam, but I 
still hope this gets resolved
in more favorable way.


Christian


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Re: [CinCV] Broken Links

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Sun, 2 Mar 2014 07:50:31 +0530
schrieb Bhikkhu Mettavihari :

> Greetings
> 
> I shall have a look and come back to you
> If you find any other links I would much appreciate to have to page
> as I am not too familiar with the site

just

  rgrep 'cinelerra\.org' /var/www/cv

on the server will list tons of old links. If possible these should be
translated to relative links. Some (many) files might be autogenerated,
take care that only the real source which generates these links are
changed. Possibly we need some more volunteers for this work.

Christian


> 
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Rebecca . 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Per request to report broken links, a few things I noticed on the
> > site -
> >
> > 1) IRC log no longer works.
> >
> 
> I suppose this is the page you are talking about.
> http://cinelerra-cv.org/mailinglists.php
> 
> 
> >
> > 2) links to the repos (official, Einar's etc).
> >
> 
> This one I did not find
> Can you please give me a bit more info.
> 
> >
> > Also testing mailing list still working, per request from Ceteh on
> > IRC.
> >
> > *crosses fingers*
> >
> 
> Crossing looks like it is working ;-)
> 
> with metta
> Mettavihari
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Re: [CinCV] Donation to the Server

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Sun, 2 Mar 2014 11:17:58 +
schrieb "Rebecca ." :

> Hey all, 
> 
> Per request for donation to server and notification to ML, I donated
> 30 Euros (technically I sent 31 because I wanted to cover any fees
> PayPal levied.)

Thanks for your support!

Christian


> 
> Thanks again for everyone's work on this project.  
> 
> becka.
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[CinCV] wtf old cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Who holds cinelerra.org now? adam?

there is a News announcement:

Feb 21, 2014
* In association with Heroine Virtual, the Cinelerra.Org developers
group, and Linux Media Arts, the Cinelerra-CV development fork is being
re-fashioned and re-designed with a release date for the new site to be
announced and published prior to NAB 2014. The future of the site will
include much closer associations with film and televisions studios,
science and visualization research centers, media industry, the tech
community, and Heroine Virtual, Ltd..

As part of this change, goals and improved financial incentives will be
presented to the community to encourage rapid development. Much
gratitude is extended to everyone who contributed to this site and the
development of Cinelerra in the past and an invitation to continue your
important work will be formally extended in the near future. We will be
contacting the current mailing list over the next few weeks as our
progress evolves.

Address any inquiries and requests to: i...@cinelerra.org. Suggestions,
joint ventures, business and research proposals are highly encouraged.
Thank you. 



I am not aware of any such plans (which might be just ok if something
happend on my back). But nothing has been announced on IRC or on the
Mailinglist. Is this some scam? The domain is shadowed, the website is
hosted by some unknown provider. Can anyone give me an explanation?


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Re: [CinCV] Contribution

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:50:05 +0100
schrieb Renato Biolcati Rinaldi :

> Hi
> Christian I'm willing to send you 30 euros please tell me how to
> proceed.

Thanks for your support, I've send you a private mail on how to proceed.

Christian

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Re: [CinCV] Christian, cinelerra list keeps rejecting my reply, Administrator

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:48:12 +0530
schrieb Bhikkhu Mettavihari :

> Greetings Christian
> 
> If you specify what is to be done, then I can spare a few hours a
> week on the Admin task
> I am quite OK with Linux
> 
> with metta
> Mettavihari


Hi Metta,

that would be exceptionally great, there are some grave problems
lingering. Here is a list we've once once collected:

- updating the server distro to wheezy
- migrating the mailinglist from skole
- solving spam in the wiki
- managing the user accounts
- migrating gitorious to gitolite
- ...

Plenty more things like cleanup of all kind of file location, optimizing
the apache config, usual admin tasks (configuring logrotate, web stats,
...) can be done too. I think its up to the community to decide what
and how things should be done (or just leave the decisions to the
dedicated admin). I for myself wanted to keep out because there are too
much clashes of interest/concerns, I am only worried about certain
bitrot and security problems which bothers me because I am responsible
for the whole machine.

Anyway before you start anything you might acknowledge with me because
i can make a full copy of the server as backup before some things get
changed and may break anything. Then doing only one small thing at a
time and slowly but steadily bring the server back into a good shape.

For the Mailinglist, we already have a Mailinglist Server (another
vserver) which runs plenty of lists, adding another one is quite
simple, All we need so to get the old Mailinglist archive from
skolelinux.no (ask them, possibly over hermanr, he has contact to them)
or mirror it with wget. and more importantly a list of all subscribers,
this needs some cooperation from skolelinux/hermanr or whoever else is
mailinglist admin/moderator there (I don't know anyone else).

You can reach me on IRC and I need your ssh key to add to the server
access list.


Thanks
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Re: [CinCV] Server Payment --> received

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:15:12 -0500
schrieb felix :

> I would like to contribute too, 50 euro
> Is paypal an option?
> I live in Canada.
> thanks


Received 50Eur, thanks Felix.

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Re: [CinCV] server payment --> received

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:04:58 +0100
schrieb Christian Thaeter :

> Am Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:23:46 +0100
> schrieb Frans de Boer :
> 
> > On 01/14/2014 08:01 AM, Haldun ALTAN wrote:
> > > Hello Christian
> > > I can also send 50 €. Just need information.
> > > And thanks a lot for doing this.
> > > Hope the project will live.
> > > Haldun :))
> 
> Hi Haldun, I'll thankfully accept your pledge too. Please contact me
> about what Payment methods you prefer, I'll then send you details
> about the payment.
> 
>   Thanks
>   Christian


Got 50Eur from Haldun.

Thanks for your Support
Christian


> 
> 
> > 
> > You have to send your replies to the list, not just use reply-to
> > 
> > I forwarded this to the list.
> 
> Thanks to Frans too :)
> 
> > 
> > Frans.
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Re: [CinCV] Christian, cinelerra list keeps rejecting my reply, Server Payment -->

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Fri, 17 Jan 2014 09:25:58 -0500
schrieb John Griffiths :

> Christian,
> 
> I'll contribute US $50.
> 
> John


Thanks John,

I've received €34,36 EUR ($50).


Christian




Btw: a lot people complaining they can't reach the list! I am happy
that my call for sharing the cost got so much feedback, But more
importantly The cinelerra server needs still some volunteer for
administration, thats vastly more important. When someone wants to do
this job I will lend a hand and to get used to it.


> >>> Am Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:02:04 -0500
> >>> schrieb John Griffiths :
> >>>
>  Christian,
> 
>  I have tried replying to the list twice this morning and my
>  message has been rejected both times by SpamAssassin. I was
>  sending a message about contributing.
> 
>  I would like to be able to reply to the list. Any idea why
>  SpamAssassin is rejecting my email to the list?
> >>> the list is not hosted by us, its still on the skolelinux servers.
> >>> I've prepared everything to move the list to our own server (which
> >>> hosts already some other mailinglist since some years) ... but due
> >>> the lack of some adminstator and responsibility from the cinelerra
> >>> community the list didnt got migrated. There isnt much i can do.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   Christian
> >>>
> >>>
>  Regards,
>  John
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Re: [CinCV] Server Payment

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:15:12 -0500
schrieb felix :

> I would like to contribute too, 50 euro
> Is paypal an option?

Yes, will be fine (to my email address).

Thanks
Christian


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Re: [CinCV] Server Payment --> received

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:36:02 +1100
schrieb g...@karricountry.com.au:

> Christian
> 
> I can pay 20 Eur at the moment.
> 
> Paypal if possible.


Thanks, got it


Christian

> 
> Graham
> 
> > Am Wed, 15 Jan 2014 00:45:20 +0100
> > schrieb Christian Thaeter :
> >
> >> Am Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:20:52 +1300
> >> schrieb E Chalaron :
> >>
> >> > Christian
> >> > Make it another 50 !
> >> > Hope this will encourage people, every $, E etc .. counts.
> >> > cheers
> >> > E
> >>
> >> Thanks, accepted, I'll send you payment details
> >
> > Got another 50Eur, thanks Edouard.
> >
> > Christian
> >
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Re: [CinCV] Supporting Cinelerra -->received

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Fri, 17 Jan 2014 01:38:13 +0100
schrieb Christian Thaeter :

> Am Thu, 16 Jan 2014 05:24:43 -0500
> schrieb jankomEarthlink :
> 
> > I'm also willing to support Cinelerra with $25 since I have used
> > the software in the past and appreciate volunteer work of software
> > experts. I also believe in the concept of free software and Linux in
> > general as opposed to closed systems like Vindooz.
> 
> Thanks I'll accept the pledge and send you payment details in a
> private mail.

I've got 17.92Eur ($25) from Janos.

Thanks for your Support
Christian
> 
> 
> > 
> > I also have a suggestion or question. Are you guys aware of FSF
> > (Free Software Foundation - http://www.fsf.org/ )? You may be able
> > to register with them and obtain the required support (server space
> > for version storage, mailing list, etc.). I have been supporting
> > them with a yearly donation as my primary commitment to open
> > source, free, community developed and constantly improved software.
> > I believe this would be the primary means of supporting cash
> > expenditures of open source software volunteers, rather than
> > sending contributions to individuals, separate organizations.
> 
> We once decided to run our own server to have more flexible hosting
> solutions (own Mailinglist, git hosting (wasn't common that time), ..)
> 
> Meanwhile we need responsible people/admins who care for the project
> and this stuff. Raffa suggested to move to some free
> bugtracker/project hoster (launchpad/sourceforge/github ...whatever).
> 
> I do not see how such a move will benefit the project. Its true that
> little less administrative tasks need to be done then, but still the
> project needs people who care. Plenty of such free software project
> hosts have massive spam problems, sourceforge turned into an
> advertisement trove etc. Hosting it at the FSF would  be more
> politically correct, but only solve a few adminstrative problems
> while not the problem that people need to be devoted to the project
> and care for it.
> 
> Moreover I've always payed for the server and would not take it down
> because its not payed, i just asked for money because i feel it would
> be ok if this (little) burden is shared and people can help there and
> i am surprised about the massive positive responses last days.
> 
> The Server itself hosts some other projects and has to be payed
> anyways. When cinelerra would move away (yet alone I don't see anyone
> who will reliably organize this move till the end). I still have to
> pay for the server and maybe search for some other project/person wo
> wants to take over this hosting-slot (IP address etc) and pay his
> share. Conclusion for me is that it would be more trouble for
> cinelerra and for me when it moves away.
> 
> 
>   Christian
> 
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Re: [CinCV] New domain: cinelerra-cv.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Wed, 15 Jan 2014 23:29:42 +0100
schrieb "Herman Robak" :

> (The list server keeps bouncing e-mails from Raffaella,
> so I'm resending this, hoping it won't bounce my e-mail...)

I've got a lot reports from people who where unable to send mail to the
list. We should really move the ML over to our own server, everything
is prepared there since *YEARS*, we have some Mailinglists running
there reliably since the beginning. There where Plans to move the ML
over when we started the server (back in 2007?) which got never
accomplished.

Such move would be reasonable simple, setting up a new ML is only a few
clicks away. The only roadblocks are that someone (hermanr?) has to ask
the skolelinux.no admins for a tarball of the Mailinglist archive if we
want to retain that and a list of all subscribers so that we can
migrate them to the new list.

Further on a few hands might be needed as Mailinglist moderators, this
should be a really easy task, there is not that much traffic and most
things can be set up that they work reasonable well automatically. We
don't moderate/nanny users, only spam needs to be kept out.


Christian



> 
> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 23:01:18 +0100
> From: Raffaella Traniello 
> To: "Mailinglist for Cinelerra, the community version"  
> 
> Copy (Cc): broadc...@earthling.net
> Subject: New domain: cinelerra-cv.org
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Since it was difficult to restore the cinelerra.org domain (now in a  
> limbo: expired but not yet available), I followed Richard's
> suggestion and registered a new domain:
> 
> cinelerra-cv.org.
> 
> I think this domain is more representative of the community version
> and it mimes exactly the package name.
> 
> Some consequences are:
> - We have a lot of links to fix
> - cinelerra.org will become available in a month or two and could be
> used for the original project at HV, in case Adam is interested.
> I'd be happy to pay and maintain this domain too.
> 
> Ciao!
> Raffaella
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Re: [CinCV] Supporting Cinelerra

[Christian Thaeter]

Hi Janos,

wtf earthlink .. dosnt accept my private mail, gives me a
javascript/captcha laden antispam registration form ..

i do not approve, pls send me a working email

Christian



Am Thu, 16 Jan 2014 05:24:43 -0500
schrieb jankomEarthlink :

> I'm also willing to support Cinelerra with $25 since I have used the 
> software in the past and appreciate volunteer work of software
> experts. I also believe in the concept of free software and Linux in
> general as opposed to closed systems like Vindooz.
> 
> I also have a suggestion or question. Are you guys aware of FSF (Free 
> Software Foundation - http://www.fsf.org/ )? You may be able to
> register with them and obtain the required support (server space for
> version storage, mailing list, etc.). I have been supporting them
> with a yearly donation as my primary commitment to open source, free,
> community developed and constantly improved software. I believe this
> would be the primary means of supporting cash expenditures of open
> source software volunteers, rather than sending contributions to
> individuals, separate organizations.
> 
> Finally, I copy FSF with this message so that they may respond
> directly to Cinelerra about the merits of my idea.
> 
> Janos
> North Andover, MA
> USA
> 
> 
> On 01/15/2014 06:00 AM, cinelerra-requ...@skolelinux.no wrote:
> > Send Cinelerra mailing list submissions to
> > cinelerra@skolelinux.no
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > cinelerra-requ...@skolelinux.no
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Cinelerra digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: server payment (Christian Thaeter)
> > 2. Server Payment -> received (Christian Thaeter)
> > 3. Re: Server Payment (E Chalaron)
> > 4. Re: Server Payment (Christian Thaeter)
> > 5. Re: Server Payment --> received (Christian Thaeter)
> > 6. Re: Server Payment (g...@karricountry.com.au)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:04:58 +0100
> > From: Christian Thaeter 
> > To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
> > Cc: al...@wanadoo.fr
> > Subject: Re: [CinCV] server payment
> > Message-ID: <20140114190458.362ed...@jupiter.pipapo.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Am Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:23:46 +0100
> > schrieb Frans de Boer :
> >
> >> On 01/14/2014 08:01 AM, Haldun ALTAN wrote:
> >>> Hello Christian
> >>> I can also send 50 ?. Just need information.
> >>> And thanks a lot for doing this.
> >>> Hope the project will live.
> >>> Haldun :))
> > Hi Haldun, I'll thankfully accept your pledge too. Please contact me
> > about what Payment methods you prefer, I'll then send you details
> > about the payment.
> >
> > Thanks
> >         Christian
> >
> >
> >> You have to send your replies to the list, not just use reply-to
> >>
> >> I forwarded this to the list.
> > Thanks to Frans too :)
> >
> >> Frans.
> >> ___
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> >> Cinelerra@skolelinux.no
> >> https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:07:47 +0100
> > From: Christian Thaeter 
> > To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
> > Subject: [CinCV] Server Payment -> received
> > Message-ID: <20140114200747.54763...@jupiter.pipapo.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Rolf Steinort send me ?43,37 EUR w/o pledging this first ...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:20:52 +1300
> > From: E Chalaron 
> > To: "Mailinglist for Cinelerra, the community version"
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [CinCV] Server Payment
> > Message-ID: <52d5aa34.7070...@xtra.co.nz>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > Christian
> > Make it another 50 !
> > Hope this will encourage pe

Re: [CinCV] Supporting Cinelerra

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Thu, 16 Jan 2014 05:24:43 -0500
schrieb jankomEarthlink :

> I'm also willing to support Cinelerra with $25 since I have used the 
> software in the past and appreciate volunteer work of software
> experts. I also believe in the concept of free software and Linux in
> general as opposed to closed systems like Vindooz.

Thanks I'll accept the pledge and send you payment details in a private
mail.


> 
> I also have a suggestion or question. Are you guys aware of FSF (Free 
> Software Foundation - http://www.fsf.org/ )? You may be able to
> register with them and obtain the required support (server space for
> version storage, mailing list, etc.). I have been supporting them
> with a yearly donation as my primary commitment to open source, free,
> community developed and constantly improved software. I believe this
> would be the primary means of supporting cash expenditures of open
> source software volunteers, rather than sending contributions to
> individuals, separate organizations.

We once decided to run our own server to have more flexible hosting
solutions (own Mailinglist, git hosting (wasn't common that time), ..)

Meanwhile we need responsible people/admins who care for the project
and this stuff. Raffa suggested to move to some free bugtracker/project
hoster (launchpad/sourceforge/github ...whatever).

I do not see how such a move will benefit the project. Its true that
little less administrative tasks need to be done then, but still the
project needs people who care. Plenty of such free software project
hosts have massive spam problems, sourceforge turned into an
advertisement trove etc. Hosting it at the FSF would  be more
politically correct, but only solve a few adminstrative problems
while not the problem that people need to be devoted to the project
and care for it.

Moreover I've always payed for the server and would not take it down
because its not payed, i just asked for money because i feel it would
be ok if this (little) burden is shared and people can help there and i
am surprised about the massive positive responses last days.

The Server itself hosts some other projects and has to be payed
anyways. When cinelerra would move away (yet alone I don't see anyone
who will reliably organize this move till the end). I still have to
pay for the server and maybe search for some other project/person wo
wants to take over this hosting-slot (IP address etc) and pay his
share. Conclusion for me is that it would be more trouble for
cinelerra and for me when it moves away.


Christian


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Re: [CinCV] Server Payment --> received

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:33:08 +0100
schrieb Christian Thaeter :

> While talking about it:
> 
> someone pledged to send me 50Eur anonymously,
> which I would gratefully accept, I gave him/her advice how to transfer
> money and as soon I receive it i'll notice this here.

Got it.

Thank You

> 
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Re: [CinCV] Server Payment --> received

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Wed, 15 Jan 2014 00:45:20 +0100
schrieb Christian Thaeter :

> Am Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:20:52 +1300
> schrieb E Chalaron :
> 
> > Christian
> > Make it another 50 !
> > Hope this will encourage people, every $, E etc .. counts.
> > cheers
> > E
> 
> Thanks, accepted, I'll send you payment details

Got another 50Eur, thanks Edouard.

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Re: [CinCV] Server Payment

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Wed, 15 Jan 2014 10:20:52 +1300
schrieb E Chalaron :

> Christian
> Make it another 50 !
> Hope this will encourage people, every $, E etc .. counts.
> cheers
> E

Thanks, accepted, I'll send you payment details

> 
> 
> On 14/01/14 10:33, Christian Thaeter wrote:
> > While talking about it:
> >
> > someone pledged to send me 50Eur anonymously,
> > which I would gratefully accept, I gave him/her advice how to
> > transfer money and as soon I receive it i'll notice this here.
> >
> > Christian Thäter
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[CinCV] Server Payment -> received

[Christian Thaeter]

Rolf Steinort send me €43,37 EUR w/o pledging this first ...

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Re: [CinCV] server payment

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Tue, 14 Jan 2014 11:23:46 +0100
schrieb Frans de Boer :

> On 01/14/2014 08:01 AM, Haldun ALTAN wrote:
> > Hello Christian
> > I can also send 50 €. Just need information.
> > And thanks a lot for doing this.
> > Hope the project will live.
> > Haldun :))

Hi Haldun, I'll thankfully accept your pledge too. Please contact me
about what Payment methods you prefer, I'll then send you details about
the payment.

Thanks
Christian


> 
> You have to send your replies to the list, not just use reply-to
> 
> I forwarded this to the list.

Thanks to Frans too :)

> 
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Re: [CinCV] Server Payment -> received

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Tue, 14 Jan 2014 00:24:51 +0100
schrieb Christian Thaeter :

> seems people now noticed my mail :).
> 
> Another anonymous pledged 30Eur, thankyou.

Payment received.

Paypal is fast :) ... thankyou again.


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Re: [CinCV] Server Payment

[Christian Thaeter]

seems people now noticed my mail :).

Another anonymous pledged 30Eur, thankyou.

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Re: [CinCV] Server Funding

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:43:27 +0100
schrieb Frans de Boer :

> On 01/13/2014 10:28 PM, Christian Thaeter wrote:
>

> So, you are in need of some 750,- Euro to cover the debts and another 
> 250,- to run for another year. However, I see absolutely no
> development of any kind the last 1,5 year or so. Is the project not a
> dead fish yet?

How do you get these numbers?

 11 Eur * 12 Months = 132Eur/Year

and lets say the debt is 400Eur, when it happens that people pledge
this much I can do a exact calculation if anyone cares.

I am responsible for the server and hosting, if its not payed by anyone
else that means I have to pay for it. It would be nice if the community
shares the cost.

About development: I think there was some work but no one worked on a
release or further merges into a release. Maybe I am wrong but anyways
I wont say the project is dead yet, It all depends on the community who
is working on it. I don't intend to pull the plug neither do others
want to let the domain go away. Whatever more happens is the sole
responsibility of the community.


Christian


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[CinCV] Server Payment

[Christian Thaeter]

While talking about it:

someone pledged to send me 50Eur anonymously,
which I would gratefully accept, I gave him/her advice how to transfer
money and as soon I receive it i'll notice this here.

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[CinCV] Server Funding

[Christian Thaeter]

Some time ago I've send the following text to the 'Transfering
cinerlerra.org' ML thread. But I guess no one noticed' i haven't gotten
any replys. While some people are now working out how to reactivate
'cinelerra.org' I'd like to remind that the server is not payed either
and how to send me money in a transparent way:


--- here is the old text--->

The Server on the other side isn't payed either (or rather its me who
is paying for it), but I can promise not to take it down because of
that (for the time being). Still I'd like to get some money eventually.
We once agreed that Cinelerra will contribute 10Eur per month to the
server rent, meanwhile the static IPv4 Address gets billed too that
would be 11Eur/Month. I haven't made the accounting for the
server since some time now but I guess it is a few years (approx 2-3
years) in debt now.

If anyone wants to help out I'd like to propose following plan to make
payment as transparently as possible:

1. If anyone wants to send me money for the server, place a pledge on
   this Mailinglist or send me a private Mail (and express me if you
   want to do this anonymously) including the amount of money you want
   to send.
2. I'll then send an ack/acceptance Mail to the ML and contact you
   directly about how you can transfer me money.
3. You send me the money and as soon I receive it I'll acknowledge this
   on the ML again (if I don't do so you can call me a scamer and
   you lost the money :P)

anyways the Server is founded privately and is not tax deductible or
anything else. If you want that, just donate some money to Lumiera or
some other of your favorite Free Software Projects :) 


Another more pressing thing is that the Server needs some love, aka
some responsible person/admin, I asked that longer ago but no one
cared. This is more serious as I can only keep it running as long it is
not broken/hacked/used for spaming. We have some solid backup
running and I've disabled the spamed wiki already but if some more
serious desaster strikes where simply restoring the backup won't be
enough then the Project would rather crumble to dust. Anyone with a
bit time and Debian/Webserver administration experience would be a big
help here. I can give some hands and assistance for starters. Contact me
if you feel right for that Job.



Christian





> 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Richard Baverstock
> > Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM
> > To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net,
> > cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no Subject: Re: Transferring
> > cinelerra.org
> > 
> > The http://cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, so I need to
> > know who to transfer it to. 
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock <
> > richard.baverst...@gmail.com > wrote: Since I'm no longer really
> > involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to
> > transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the
> > unofficial version. 
> > 
> > If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
> > address?
> > 
> > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > maintaining the web presence)?
> 
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Re: [CinCV] Updating the server and such.

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Sun, 6 Oct 2013 00:58:48 +
schrieb Len G-B :

>  I'd like to put my hand up for doing what needs to be done.
> Starting with, but not in this order, possibly a better order could
> be suggested.
> 
> - updating the server distro to wheezy
> - migrating the mailinglist from skole
> - solving spam in the wiki
> - managing the user accounts
> - migrating gitorious to gitolite
> 
> And there's a few other things I have in the list but hopefully this
> is a start.
> 
> I have some other ideas as well, but they would come after.
> 


Sorry I missed this mail completely, please contact me ASAP, also on
IRC, we can then talk about details.

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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:35:00 -0700
schrieb Richard Baverstock :

> Just domain registration. I don't know who is operating the servers.

o/ I do, see my recent post about.


> On Oct 17, 2013 12:15 PM, "Juha-Matti Tapio"
>  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote:
> > > Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to
> > > be all
> > squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of
> > others.
> >
> > Are we talking about just the domain registration or server
> > resources too?
> >
> >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Richard Baverstock
> > > Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM
> > > To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net,
> > cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no
> > > Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org
> > >
> > > The http://cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, so I need to
> > > know
> > who to transfer it to.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock <
> > richard.baverst...@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't
> > > been for
> > years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the
> > current leads in the unofficial version.
> > >
> > > If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
> > > address?
> > >
> > > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > > maintaining
> > the web presence)?
> >
> >
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:15:15 +0300
schrieb Juha-Matti Tapio :

> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote:
> > Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to
> > be all squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime
> > of others.
> 
> Are we talking about just the domain registration or server resources
> too?

Just domain registration/payment this time. Thats $17.19 for
10 years (godaddy.com, please bear in mind to do that for some years to
come). Sidenote: we run our own DNS server so transfering a domain
should be straightforward, every registration data should stay as it
is, only the owner will change. Contact Richard about details.

The Server on the other side isn't payed either (or rather its me who
is paying for it), but I can promise not to take it down because of
that (for the time being). Still I'd like to get some money eventually.
We once agreed that Cinelerra will contribute 10Eur per month to the
server rent, meanwhile the static IPv4 Address gets billed too that
would be 11Eur/Month. I haven't made the accounting for the
server since some time now but I guess it is a few years (approx 2-3
years) in debt now.

If anyone wants to help out I'd like to propose following plan to make
payment as transparently as possible:

1. If anyone wants to send me money for the server, place a pledge on
   this Mailinglist or send me a private Mail (and express me if you
   want to do this anonymously) including the amount of money you want
   to send.
2. I'll then send an ack/acceptance Mail to the ML and contact you
   directly about how you can transfer me money.
3. You send me the money and as soon I receive it I'll acknowledge this
   on the ML again (if I don't do so you can call me a scamer and
   you lost the money :P)

anyways the Server is founded privately and is not tax deductible or
anything else. If you want that, just donate some money to Lumiera or
some other of your favorite Free Software Projects :) 


Another more pressing thing is that the Server needs some love, aka
some responsible person/admin, I asked that longer ago but no one
cared. This is more serious as I can only keep it running as long it is
not broken/hacked/used for spaming. We have some solid backup
running and I've disabled the spamed wiki already but if some more
serious desaster strikes where simply restoring the backup won't be
enough then the Project would rather crumble to dust. Anyone with a
bit time and Debian/Webserver administration experience would be a big
help here. I can give some hands and assistance for starters. Contact me
if you feel right for that Job.



Christian





> 
> 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Richard Baverstock
> > Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM
> > To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net,
> > cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no Subject: Re: Transferring
> > cinelerra.org
> > 
> > The http://cinelerra.org  domain is about to expire, so I need to
> > know who to transfer it to. 
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock <
> > richard.baverst...@gmail.com > wrote: Since I'm no longer really
> > involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to
> > transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the
> > unofficial version. 
> > 
> > If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
> > address?
> > 
> > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > maintaining the web presence)?
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:47:07 +0200
schrieb Raffaella Traniello :

> On 04/25/2013 11:57 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote:
> > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > maintaining the web presence)?
> 
> I'm taking care of the content of the website. It's quite static.
> 
> I propose to move it as is to Source Forge.
> ML can be moved there too (Can it?).
> The wiki can be abandoned but only after the useful user-added
> content is stored somwehere else (Cin4Grandma?).

Is it ok when I make the wiki inaccessible for the meantime or just
make it readonly? No content will be lost, I just dont want to have a
spamsink there, take a look at:

http://cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?do=recent&first=0&id=


> Trac can be moved to Launchpad.
> 
> That would move cinelerra.org to free and nearly self-maintained 
> platforms, except the domain that I'm happy to maintain (12€ a year!).

If you want to you should contact Richard about transfering the domain,
possibly just update the owner info at the same registrar, then nothing
else needs to be changed, you just go on pay for it. If you want to
move the website I can still serve DNS for it, that just runs under the
hood and we have a DNS server anyway.

> 
> I have no good proposals for the git repos. What do you think?
> 

Who wants to do this migration? Hey if you find anyone, maybe he could
administrate the current server instead? thats prolly less work ...

Seriously, I am really just asking for a little help, yet this mail
thread died and nothing really happens, how many people are on this
list and reading this? No one there who can lend a hand on a free
Software Project? I am disappointed.


Christian





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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:47:07 +0200
schrieb Raffaella Traniello :

> On 04/25/2013 11:57 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote:
> > Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> > maintaining the web presence)?
> 
> I'm taking care of the content of the website. It's quite static.
> 
> I propose to move it as is to Source Forge.
> ML can be moved there too (Can it?).
> The wiki can be abandoned but only after the useful user-added
> content is stored somwehere else (Cin4Grandma?).
> Trac can be moved to Launchpad.
> 
> That would move cinelerra.org to free and nearly self-maintained 
> platforms, except the domain that I'm happy to maintain (12€ a year!).
> 
> I have no good proposals for the git repos. What do you think?

Hi Raffa,

I have really no idea what problems do you want to solve with your
proposal. We moved to our own server years ago to have the freedom to
control the services and infrastructure we want to use (git hosting
was not that common that time). With this freedom comes some
responsibility to maintain this infrastructure of course. Thats whats
currently lacking. But I don't see how moving to
sourceforge/launchpad/whatever would address this issue. There are
*plenty* projects on sourceforge which are in such a
irresponsible/unmaintained state where the wiki, bugtracker and
mailinglists get spamed. If there is no one who cares for it now,
then no one will do it there either.

Keeping the Server running is really no much additional work
(speaking of a few hours per month *at most*). Of course there is now
some inital work to get the server in a better shape (dist-upgrade, fix
some insane things and so on) but after that there is no much more to
do than keeping it updated by running apt-get update/upgrade sometimes.

Christian


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> Raffaella
> 
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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:05:16 +
schrieb Rebecca :

> I don't have the technical expertise or any of the skills needed for
> administrative tasks, etc., but I was unaware there were financial
> difficulties with regard to maintaining the server.  I am not in a
> particularly good financial situation but this program and its
> maintenance is important to me, and I would be happy to contribute at
> least a small amount monthly to its continued existence.  How much
> money do we need to be raising, say, on a monthly, or annual basis?
> Could this be done via Paypal?  Perhaps a donate button on the main
> page? 

The financial difficulties are no big issue compared to the
administrative difficulties. cinelerra.org needs someone who will work
a few hours every month to keep the things running and up to date.
Thats *much* more valuable than money in the current situation.

Also I have to explain how the server is currently financed:
cinelerra.org is *not* a public organization which can collect
donations. So far (and I hope in this will work in future) there are a
loose group of people. I've rented a server and some people give me
money for hosting vservers on it on a private/non-commercial basis.
This is all a private thing, nothing tax deductible and neither I,
nor someone no one else, except the hosting company, making any profit
from it. I can not ask for donations and at least if anyone wants to
cover the server expenses this should be coordinated in a transparent
way. I now pay for the server and I am rather more uncomfortable
with the opposite when strangers send me 'donations' and no one else has
some insight into this.


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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:57:04 -0700
schrieb Richard Baverstock :

> Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been
> for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the
> current leads in the unofficial version.

cinelerra.org is maintained by a loose group of community people, see
below.

> 
> If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
> address?

i think the email address from http://heroinewarrior.com/support.php
should still work.

> 
> Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
> maintaining the web presence)?

I am responsible for the server where the cinelerra.org website (and
nameserver) is hosted. When we started the Server years ago I
stated that I don't want to be involved with the cinelerra.org webserver
maintenance (it's a vserver instance on that server).

Currently there is no lead or admin for the webserver. Since some time
I am planning to write some "Angry Mail" about the current situation of
the cinelerra.org server to the mailinglist, in recent years hermanr
covered the expenses (about 11Eur per month meanwhile), but the server
is now in debt for some time. It would be nice if some people will jump
in here and donate some money to keep the server running.

Further, what nags me MUCH more:
The cinelerra server is in dare need of some administrator. Juan who did
that recently stepped down as he has no time for it currently. We
really need some dependable admin to take care of it! There are long
overdue updates and maintainance works left out. The wiki and the
bugtracker gets spamed and no one cares. If this Situation does not
change I cant see any solution but to disable the services which are
abused (trac, wiki). If anything else fails there, gets hacked or some
desaster strikes cinelerra.org will be history!

I really do not want to do this job but I am willing to give anyone who
wants to help here a hand. We really need someone wo takes care to keep
the Lights on.

The Situation for the nameserver is different as it runs on another
vserver which is properly maintained any if anyone wants to keep the
cinelerra.org domain up and runnning (I just checked, it's payed by
Richard until Januar 2014) just contact me about the ownership
transition, we/I can do all further nameserver maintenance. So whoever
gets the domain he only needs to be responsible for funding (or be it
by donations) everything else is carefree.
 


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[CinCV] New Administrator for cinelerra.org

[Christian Thaeter]

Hi,

after years of unmaintained rotting, I've ask around on IRC if anyone
wants to help out administrating the cinelerra.org server.

I am happy to announce that Juan  Pedro agreed to work on the
issue.

We are now bringing the server into a proper state with some cleanups
and updates. I hope this will go reasonable well but there may be some
bugs and service interruptions next time on the way.

Please reply to this mail if you have an suggestions or found any
problems on the server which need to be addressed.

Our current list what needs to be done is:

proper backup system::
I've set up a backup for all our servers long ago, but
cinelerra.org's unmaintained state prevented it from being
included in the backups (duh!).

distribution upgrade::
Its a shame but cinelerra runs on unmaintained lenny. We will
upgrade it to Debian stable (or maybe to Wheezy which
is in freeze, any opinions?). As a funny note: I recently
discovered some other project still running debian-hamm
servers, anyone remembers hamm? :)

mailinglist migration::
We run our own mailinglist server, but the cinelerra
mailinglist is still served by linpro/skolelinux. eventually
the ML could be migrated to our server.


Cheers
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Re: [CinCV] grand'ma proxy / RAID

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Sat, 05 May 2012 16:10:27 -0500
schrieb Tim Copeland :

> On Fri, 2012-05-04 at 18:32 +0200, Christian Thaeter wrote:
> 
> > Am Fri, 04 May 2012 17:45:21 +0200
> > schrieb Haldun ALTAN :
> > 
> > > Well that was no more, for a long time, about Grand'ma proxy but
> > > about RAID
> > > 
> > > May be this not the exact place to talk about RAID but indirectly
> > > offers a better use of cinelerra. I think :))
> > > 
> > > I just wanted to send a link about a very good tuto on how to
> > > RAID on ubuntu or others. It's just like the vidéo but very much
> > > more specifique.
> > > 
> > > http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-raid.html
> > 
> > apart from that tutorial, here are some tips for the raid level and
> > setup from my experience:
> > 
> > for anything valuable (aka, your work) you want raid10
> > with 3 or more drives. Thats not mentioned on the tutorial above
> > but the linux kernel can do raid10 since quite some time.
> 
> 
> You can use RAID 10 on only 2 drives.
> 
> > 
> > This gives fast read speed, average write speed and redundancy on
> > the cost of 50% storage utilization. Speeds scale up as more drives
> > you add.
> > 
> > If you have only 2 Drives then choose Raid1, Performance and safety
> > is comparable to the Raid10 above.
> 
> 
> 
> This is not the case. Yes you get the safety but no you don't get the
> performance.
> Linux RAID 1 only reads from a single disk, so the performance is
> comparable to a single drive.
> It was thought at one time that Linux RAID 1 did parallel reads, but
> this is false. I have personally 
> done the benchmarking and my findings were conclusive. Plus you can
> find modern documentation
> to support my findings.
> 
> If you seek redundancy and performance, use RAID 10.
> Linux RAID 10 is supported on as few as 2 drives.

nice to know that, I never benchmarked raid1 as I only use it for
boot/system partitions but not data (except on our server ..
maybe I shall change that? do you know if raid1 is upgradeable to
raid10? i am being to lazy to rtfm now :)).

> 
> 
> 
> 
> > If you have a fast computer with lots of RAM and lots of HDD's (4+)
> > then you may try to evaluate raid5 or raid6, but be aware that write
> > speeds are quite low and benchmark this before you using it
> > seriously. Reading scales well with the number of disks you have.
> > Makes a good vault for archiving files but might be too slow for a
> > working area (considering video work). Anyways this once worked for
> > me.
> > 
> > Finally stay away from Raid0, it brings double (or more) the speed
> > for double (or more) the risk. HDD's *WILL* fail eventually, its
> > only matter of time and Murphy's law tells this happens when you
> > are least expect it! This makes only sense for data you can
> > *extremely* easy recover like volatile cache files (Background
> > rendering), Files you grabbed from a cam and which are still
> > available on a fast medium (no you don't want to grab all tapes
> > again!). For anything else, don't even consider it.
> > 
> > Don't forget to make regular Disk checks (regular badblocks
> > (readonly) checks and then Raid-resyncs with mdadm in daemon mode)
> > which will try to repair damaged data. Having a smartd running is
> > nice to find out about if one of your drives will fail soon in few
> > cases, but doesn't substitute for the disk checks above as
> > smartchecks don't enforce a repair of damaged data and abort on the
> > first found error, leaving any potential bad data ahead
> > undiscovered.
> > 
> > And finally: RAID redundancy is only an insurance against Harddisk
> > failures but does *not* substitute for a backup, one manual mishap
> > destroying data can not be undone.
> > 
> > Christian
> > 
> > > 
> > > Hope helps.
> > > 
> > > Haldun.
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Re: [CinCV] grand'ma proxy / RAID

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Fri, 04 May 2012 17:45:21 +0200
schrieb Haldun ALTAN :

> Well that was no more, for a long time, about Grand'ma proxy but
> about RAID
> 
> May be this not the exact place to talk about RAID but indirectly
> offers a better use of cinelerra. I think :))
> 
> I just wanted to send a link about a very good tuto on how to RAID on
> ubuntu or others. It's just like the vidéo but very much more
> specifique.
> 
> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-raid.html

apart from that tutorial, here are some tips for the raid level and
setup from my experience:

for anything valuable (aka, your work) you want raid10
with 3 or more drives. Thats not mentioned on the tutorial above but the
linux kernel can do raid10 since quite some time.

This gives fast read speed, average write speed and redundancy on the
cost of 50% storage utilization. Speeds scale up as more drives you add.

If you have only 2 Drives then choose Raid1, Performance and safety is
comparable to the Raid10 above.

If you have a fast computer with lots of RAM and lots of HDD's (4+)
then you may try to evaluate raid5 or raid6, but be aware that write
speeds are quite low and benchmark this before you using it seriously.
Reading scales well with the number of disks you have. Makes a good
vault for archiving files but might be too slow for a working area
(considering video work). Anyways this once worked for me.

Finally stay away from Raid0, it brings double (or more) the speed for
double (or more) the risk. HDD's *WILL* fail eventually, its only matter
of time and Murphy's law tells this happens when you are least expect
it! This makes only sense for data you can *extremely* easy recover like
volatile cache files (Background rendering), Files you grabbed from a
cam and which are still available on a fast medium (no you don't want to
grab all tapes again!). For anything else, don't even consider it.

Don't forget to make regular Disk checks (regular badblocks
(readonly) checks and then Raid-resyncs with mdadm in daemon mode)
which will try to repair damaged data. Having a smartd running is nice
to find out about if one of your drives will fail soon in few cases,
but doesn't substitute for the disk checks above as smartchecks don't
enforce a repair of damaged data and abort on the first found error,
leaving any potential bad data ahead undiscovered.

And finally: RAID redundancy is only an insurance against Harddisk
failures but does *not* substitute for a backup, one manual mishap
destroying data can not be undone.

Christian

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> 
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[CinCV] Maintenance notificaton

[Christian Thaeter]

My office server going to move (new location, new IP), this
includes the (secondary) nameserver and (soon) backup MX. I don't
expect any Service interruption for users.

Whats involved:
 The Server is secondary nameserver for all domains hosted on our
 server.
 Currently we don't have a backup MX, I configured our (lists) MX to be
 backup MX for my own mail, just to test it and soon will make the
 backup MX the other way around for our lists server, notably the
 cinelerra list is not involved as no one moved it to our server yet :P

I care for setting everything up and switch it over within today.
If there is any trouble with name resolution please notify me!

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Re: [CinCV] info request

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Thu, 01 Sep 2011 10:01:07 -0700
schrieb Drew Amavisca :

> Hello. My name is Drew and I wanted to find out info about getting
> permission to use cinelerra as the "on-screen" editing software for a
> feature film. Could you please contact me as soon as possible? Thank
> you! d

Cinelerra is free software released under the Gnu GPL. This means for
you that you can freely use it, even commercially. The License only
applies when you distribute the Program in binary form (and demands
you to provide the Source as well). When you use or show it for/in
some Film there are no obligations to you. Nevertheless if this is a
commercial project or you earn any money by it you may consider to
donate some money, possibly to the original Author
(http://www.heroinewarrior.com/) or to the Community.


Christian



PS: I think that the original Author could possibly use
the money better, but others may correct me if there are any Community
developers starving. (Well we need to pay for the server, so far
Herman did that from his own money, if anyone wants to throw money into
the pool, please contact me or Herman)



> 
> 
> Drew Amavisca
> Art Dept Coordinator
> EVIDENCE
> tel: 323.645.6400
> cel: 562.310.3565
> fax: 323.769.8954
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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[CinCV] Re: [Lumiera] Trac spam increased

[Christian Thaeter]

Am Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:11:24 +0100
schrieb Ichthyostega :

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> recently, some new spammers seem to have discovered our Trac :-P
> As a first "escalation step", I've now switched on eMail verification,
> just to make their life a little bit harder.
> 
> Basically, I'm rather not much concerned, because our project is small
> and we don't yet have the need for users to report bugs.
> (unfortunately!)
> 
> Next things I'd propose to try would be to upgrade our Trac to 0.12
> and then install the spamfilter trac plugin (which I know to work
> reasonably well, unless the installation is really put under high
> pressure by the spammers)
> 
> Any other thoughts, suggestions?

some time ago i created a spamfilter daemon (rxpd) which was planned to
be used for different things (uwiki for example). I also use it as
enhanced IRC-Troll filter :).

It has a very simple textual protocol for a client to get anything
checked against various lists of regular expressions (it is possible
to maintain different lists for different purposes).

Writing a plugin/client for trac should be quite simple, basically one
just needs to send the data to be checked to the rxpd and parse its
response (which is either the regex matched or a '#OK:' string).

I suggest rxpd, because it works and because it has some more benefit
as we can use it for more than just the trac, filtering Mailinglist
posts (there is increasing spam too), uwiki someday and so on.

Moreover the cinelerra trac gets spamed too and sooner or later they
maybe want to move the cinelerra ML to the server. One single rxpd
instance can serve them all.

Rxpd was based on the experience i made with the MoinMoin wiki long
ago. It had one single list of regex, sycned from a master server, which
initially worked quite well but it had some shortcomings. First the
list grown larger and larger and since it was dynamic every cgi call
had to recompile the regexes which became rather slow, second there
was no kind of profiling/timestamping you have no idea which rules
trigger frequently and which are useless cruft. Rxpd addresses this by
being a daemon on its own which compiles all regexes only once and can
serve requests of arbitary clients in a very fast way (I planned to
change the regex engine from the libc/posix regex to libtre which is
awesomely fast, but no need yet) and it maintains 'atimes' for each
rule and has the ability to expire unused rules. Further it can also
work in a Peer2Peer mode where it can merge Filter lists from
other sources, unfortunally this never got flying because it seems i am
the only user of my Software :P guess it needs some more
advertisements. 


The README:
 
http://git.pipapo.org/?p=rxpd;a=blob;f=README;h=fa9e06bf6a3f45714861093ece630a72f0721284;hb=db22714b86113b92fd9595b269c5997a59e0fdca

(the demonstration mentioned at the end is currently not running)


Well the catch is that I am not a python guy and don't want to dig in
Trac and Mailman sources to hook this up. Someone else should do this
(I can assist him with any rxpd related things and also setup an rxpd
on the server)



Christian


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> Cheers,
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> 
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Re: [CinCV] about cinelerra

[Christian Thaeter]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:05:48 +0930
Geoff Russell  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to install cinelerra on an Intrepid ubuntu system using
> your instructions.
> 
> What is deb?
> 
> $ sudo deb http://akirad.cinelerra.org akirad-intrepid main

 deb http://akirad.cinelerra.org akirad-intrepid main

is the line you have to add to /etc/apt/sources.list



> sudo: deb: command not found
> 
> It isn't on my system and doesn't show up on synaptic.
> 
> Cheers and thanks,
> 
> Geoff Russell
> 
> 
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[CinCV] Re: [Lumiera] Server Maintenance Notice

[Christian Thaeter]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:01:46 +0200
Christian Thaeter  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Our Server (this covers Lumiera, Cinelerra, akirad and some more :P)
> will be down later today for a harddisk replacement, stay tuned, hold
> your breath, cross fingers.

Thanks for crossing fingers, you can breath again, server is back. I
will do some disk checks which will take a while before resyncing
the raid again, this means there may be some less performance for the
rest of the day and you may keep your fingers crossed because the raid
will be in degraded mode for some time.

Christian



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[CinCV] Server Maintenance Notice

[Christian Thaeter]

Hi,

Our Server (this covers Lumiera, Cinelerra, akirad and some more :P)
will be down later today for a harddisk replacement, stay tuned, hold
your breath, cross fingers.

Christian

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Re: [CinCV] Ubuntu Repo

[Christian Thaeter]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:17:53 +0200
"Florian Richter"  wrote:

> Hello,
> I wanted to use your repository to install the great cinelerra on
> Ubuntu. But the server seems to be broken... I couldn't connect to it.
> Is their any possibility to download cinelerra as an Deb-Paket for
> Ubuntu? Greetings, floric

Try now, i restarted his vserver. The Webpage/database seems to be
broken, but repository should work.

Christian


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Re: [CinCV] Download Ubuntu Cinelerra not working

[Christian Thaeter]

On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 08:46:14 -0700 (PDT)
__ngelo Almeida  wrote:

> Hello, Guys,
> 
> The download  Cinelerra for Ubuntu (deb package) is not working. The
> server must be down.

manually restarted, server gone out for lunch, works now

Christian

> 
> Cheers
> 
> Angelo
> 
> 
>   

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Re: [CinCV] uncompressed or not

[Christian Thaeter]

Johannes Sixt wrote:
> On Mittwoch, 23. Juni 2010, E Chalaron wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> I have an academic argument with someone here.
>> When I export in quicktime 422 yuv2 8 bits, is it compressed yes or no ?
>> To me it is not.
> 
> 1. Define "compressed".
> 2. Define what you compress.

I think a nice definition would be "is is lossy?" ... but you are in the
twist to determine how much loss is there. For programmers its easy to
tell when there is some 'information-loss' in the mathematical sense,
the other variable which is not really easy to measure is if there is
any perceptional loss. Technology got quite ahead hiding the
'mathematical' losses from the human eye. But the big catch is that when
you process this data further it might reveal much visible artifacts.

And no, cinelerra has no lossless compression codec to my knowledge.
You have only the choice between uncompressed (really huge) or lossy.


But as Johannes saied, when your transformation to the output format
already drops information thats secondary. Most actions do and with 8bit
quantization there is really no much headroom to suppress perceptible
artifacts (color model conversion, color corrections, crossfades, ..).


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Re: [CinCV] number muncher

[Christian Thaeter]

E Chalaron wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> I am thinking of building a machine to do exclusively numbers munching .
> I need a lot of post processing (sometimes 1 to 2 TB of data) with
> colour correction through histogram, unsharp masking, stabilisation etc ...
> 
> So ...
> 
>1. I am quite found of AMDs but eventually what I need is not a
>   multitasking box, I need a calculator.

as long you don't processing in the temporal domain but only on single
frames, things are easily parallelizeable so multicore is an option
6x2ghz is still (way) more than 1x3ghz, the different stages of
processing can be even assigned to single cores (or do batch processing
in stipes, first only color correction, save to disk, then unsharp
masking). But caveat, bandwidth may become a limiting factor too, first
disk bandwidth (and latency) and next, when you do just simple not very
compute intensive transformations memory bandwidth might become a
limiting factor too.

For disk you certaily want some fast raid (raid 10) if you do the batch
rendering then possibly even 2 arrays that you can play ping-pong
rendering from one to the other back and forth, the 2nd one can then be
just raid0 on the expense that you may loose some (temporary) data in
case of a harddisk error, and be sure that you finally end with the
results on the array with redundance. Since this processing is highly
linear, much ram won't help much with caching, while when you have
enough ram you can tweak the disk accesses quite a bit (readahead, delay
writes, getting overall better performance because of less seeks) this
makes mostly sense when you have only one array where you read from and
write to. I highly recommend one of the newer/better filesystems which
can defer writes more aggressively and join writes (ext4) and some
hardcore kernel tuneing when you have to do this processing often.

For memory bandwidth it will only help to estimate (benchmark) what you
really need and then choose cpu/memory accordingly. IIRC AMD Opterons
are still best there because they have a NUMA architecture where each
socket has its own memory, but that of course requires a mainboard with
memory slots for each socket and equipped with sufficient memory
(dual/triple channel).


>2. I wish I could use Cinelerra  on a PS3 with Yellow Dog but not
>   sure if that will ever be possible.

I somehow doubt that and even then, the plugins are not CELL aware, that
would need some serious coding efforts. We have some ideas for Lumiera
in that area but this isnt priority there either.

>3. I don't know much about Intel these days.

iirc the current chips are damn fast (and cost a lot) the memory
bottleneck got improved but i think its still not as scalable as
opterons (which are pricey too).

When you really need a box to do this things (only) and often then it
makes sense to evaluate and benchmark your exact demands and choose the
hardware which fits it best.

> 
> My idea is to have a core Cinelerra box in batch mode that will just go
> through the data located on other boxes as fast as possible.
> Eventually using rendering farm is an option too, but then the process
> will be as long as the slowest box...
> so ...  not sure where from there...
> Any ideas? suggestions ? etc ...

dunno if i would really use cinelerra for it, it doesn't scale that well
and when something gets wrong you have to start over again. If its only
this batch rendering as you described i'd look into some commandline
tools to build the rendering pipe. ffmpeg, mencoder, gstreamer, AML.. if
you have enough disk bandwidth as i saied above then you may even do the
batch rendering with temporary files on disk, the advantage is that when
you do less at once you get overall better performance (due caching) and
can easily recover/restart when something broke in the middle. But this
really stands and fails with the disk bandwidth, if the cpu's start
waiting on the disks it will not work.



Christian

> 
> Thanks a lot
> Edouard
> 


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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra - The Forgotten Guide

[Christian Thaeter]

Joseph Miller wrote:
> I have been using Cinelerra for probably a year now.  The software is
> excellent compared to other Linux video software, but the learning curve
> was pretty steep.  The manual online has a lot of information, but I
> wasn't familiar with video editing concepts.  I also had trouble with
> many video formats.
> 
> So anyways, I've started on a guide for an average Linux user to get up
> and running with the software.  I have so far the basics of
> installation, importing, and rendering.  I really want to get more
> people using this software - my ulterior motive is that if more people
> are using it, the development pace will pick up as more people are
> attracted to the project.  I hope that more developers would contribute
> their time with regard to plugins and speed optimizations.
> 
> Here is the guide i have so far.  I will be adding to this in the coming
> days and weeks.  The next parts to add are basic editing maneuvers and
> concepts such as clips, the viewer, etc.  After that I plan to jump
> right into video effects starting with the Motion effect.  The Motion
> effect seems to draw a lot of attention of people who've never used
> Cinelerra, but it took me some time to figure out how to use it
> properly.  I think that the Motion effect and Selective Temporal
> Averaging is enough reason to spend time learning to use this software. 
> I'll go into other effects and more advanced techniques after that.
> 
> http://www.calcmaster.net/cinelerra/forgotten-guide/

I like the idea that someone contributes to the project and works on
some documentation. While I may suggest to join the team and help
improving the main documentation, actually there is a wiki where anyone
can add and improve things. It would also be possible to use git and
clone the code, work on the documentation and then push it up to the
server, either the anonymous mob repository or as for your own account
on the server. Anyways imo its better to contribute anything, even your
own way of doing documentation than do nothing, just go on :)


Christian

> 
> -Joseph


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Re: [CinCV] Forgotten Manual - CV vs. Heroine

[Christian Thaeter]

Mike Morris wrote:
> Cowardly refusing to weigh in on the new manual vs. enhancing the old, I'll 
> skip 
> straight to this question:
> 
> Is this a fair assessment of Heroine vs Community versions:
> 
> "If you're on 64-bit Ubuntu or Fedora, get Cinelerra here 
> from Heroine Warrior. If you're on 32-bit systems, get 
> Cinelerra from here from cinelerra.org."
> 
> I had not perceived it this way; I rather thought that Heroine's version was 
> more 
> feature rich, less stable (bleeding edge) and CV was more stable (due to 
> community bug fixes) but may not have the latest features.
> 
> Is the 32 vs 64 bit issue actually significant as well?

no

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> MikeM
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Re: [CinCV] Simple question

[Christian Thaeter]

Voss-Price wrote:
> Hi
> I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala).  Will the Cinelerra editor
> software handle uncompressed 8-bit Quicktime files?

Very likely since uncompressed quicktime was the first format it ever
supported, but you only find that out by trying it with your files.

Christian

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[CinCV] [Fwd: [piksel] CALL FOR PARTICIPATION - PIKSEL SUMMER CAMP 2010]

[Christian Thaeter]

Just forwarding, seems not to be cross posted, looking forward to meet
you there.

Christian


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CALL FOR PARTICIPATION


**PIKSEL SUMMER CAMP
   02.-08. August 2010
   Skjerjehamn [Norway]

Piksel Summer Camp is international gathering of artists, developers and
creators working with free and open technologies, taking place at the
idyllic
island of Skjerjehamn outside Bergen, Norway.

The Summer Camp is a participatory event aiming to bring forth new,
fruitful
collaborations, organized according to BarCamp principles and in the
spirit of
free and open source development.

The program will consist of presentations, workshops and performative
events
proposed and organized by the participants themselves, before and during
the
Summer Camp. A particular focus is set on hands-on exploration,
discussion and
development of tools and applications for open video editing technologies.

Among already registered participants you will find users and developers
from
projects such as Lumiera, FreiOr, Blender, Kdenlive and PureData.

Most of the Camp-program will be streamed, and made available online to the
public for future reference.


**REGISTRATION

Participation is open to everyone, and there is no fee.

As Skjerjehamn can only host a fixed number of participants you will
need to
sign up for the Summer Camp by using our online form at:
http://www.piksel.no/pulse/summercamp/reg10

or by sending an e-mail to: info[AT]piksel.no.

**Deadline:  01. JULY 2010 

PARTICIPANTS & PRACTICAL INFORMATION

A complete list of registered participants can be found at
www.piksel.no/pulse/summercamp

Here you will also find the wiki where you can propose Camp events, and
practical information related to your stay at Skjerjehamn.


WEB:
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Re: [CinCV] SPAM at your site!

[Christian Thaeter]

Pupkin Frol wrote:
> Hello, I noticed on your site SPAM http://bugs.cinelerra.org/ticket/621

I posted a question some time ago, if there is any python programmer who
wants to integrate my anti-spam daemon into mailman and trac. This
should be a realtive easy job, if any volunteer shows up to help us,
contact me.

Christian

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[CinCV] spam on mailinglist and bug tracker

[Christian Thaeter]

I have a solution for filtering spam out,
(http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/RegexPolicyDaemon sorry the links are
broken, the docs should be migrated to asciidoc soon)

We just need someone who can hack a bit python to hook it into trac and
mailman to filter mail bodies. If anyone wants to help here, please
contact me.

Christian


And btw: I am using popfile (http://getpopfile.org/) to filter spam for
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[CinCV] Re: [Lumiera] Network problems on the Server

[Christian Thaeter]

Christian Thaeter wrote:
> I dont even know if this mail makes it through, our server has some
> network hickup since midnight. I opened a ticket at the datacenter
> support, lets see.

Got answer, some other server on the same network segment got attacked.
Should be fixed now.

Christian


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[CinCV] Network problems on the Server

[Christian Thaeter]

I dont even know if this mail makes it through, our server has some
network hickup since midnight. I opened a ticket at the datacenter
support, lets see.


Christian

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Re: [CinCV] Re: Version question (Christian Thaeter)

[Christian Thaeter]

John Griffiths wrote:
> Christian,
> Depending on the OS, I might be able to do some sys admin stuff; I use
> Fedora 11 & 12. I do some bash scripting. I do well in setting up
> Postfix, DNS (bind, named), PostgreSQL, MySQL.
> 
> I program in Java but since Cinelerra is C/C++, that is not of much help.
> 
> I have never had the need to set up or administer a mailing list, so
> that would be a learning curve.

We have a mailman already running serving lists.lumiera.org as mta
posfix with postgrey, no user accounts there. Bascially the nameserver
needs to learn 'lists.cinelerra.org' no big deal and postfix has to be
configured to accept mail for that and then configuring a mailinglist
and migrate the subscriptions maybe (if possible) import the old
mailinglist archive too. hermanr has contacts to the skolelinux admins
and may tell more within the next days.

The other things to do are the more rare cases administrating the git
repos, adding new accounts for new developers (gitosis is used there)
and so on, that happens rather rarely once a year or so.

I can give you some intro and help for a start.

For Lumiera we started and using some infrastructure which does
automatic building and testing on the server which basically works but
there are plenty of things how it could be improved, this really scales
with time and experience one can invest. No urge but little things
someone can do which will help us a lot.

> 
> Let me know if you need my help.

Yes of course, every little step brings us further!
You may send me your ssh pubkey and visit us on irc for details (or
continue with email)


Christian

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Re: [CinCV] Version question

[Christian Thaeter]

Frans de Boer wrote:
> On 04/06/2010 09:12 AM, Christian Thaeter wrote:
>> Frans de Boer wrote:
>>   
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I am using CV 2.1 and am still waiting for the CV 4.1 version.
>>> As the developers have stated before - that the original authors where
>>> interested in features, not stability and thus usability - I just wonder
>>> why there is no CV 4.1 release yet. Is it because the original 4.1
>>> release is so much more stable today? Or is it a matter of fading
>>> interest and/or lack of time?
>>>
>>> Waiting for Luminera (or so) seems to be waiting for . well, fill in
>>> the dots.
>>> 
>> CV means Community Version, waiting will not make any progress, both
>> projects depens on the community to improve it. We really need helpers,
>> both, Lumiera and Cinelerra. There is some lack of development
>> resources, while you sit, twiddling your thumbs, consider to help in
>> some part.
>>
>>
>>  Christian
>>
>>   
> Hm, not all of us users are proficient programmers. I have done my share
> in the past, but that's a long time ago.
> Instead of the negative undertone I feel, some positive remarks could
> have been made. Like, how I could help while not being a programmer.
> Beside, any comments on the stability of the original 4.1 version?

Sorry about the negative undertone, I am just a bit demotivated about so
much demand and no so much people showing up helping, well that seems to
be a general case on free projects.

I can't say much about 4.1 stability, i've once compiled it with no much
efforts (few trivial changes in the code) and it worked for me. There
are some bugfixes as well as new features which may introduce new bugs.
I'd don't expect miracles, while 2.1 is reasonable stable for me (after
 learning how to avoid the bugs).

For Cinelerra I don't exactly know what non-programming tasks are
pending. I recently asked if someone could help out with administrating
the server, that would be one. Migration of the mailinglist to the
Cinelerra server could also be done. Caring for web content and
documentation, but I dont know the current state there.

For Lumiera, there are some tasks non programmers can so. The Website
reorganization is still pending, raffa is very busy and can't help with
that currently. Andrew and Wouter have some other duties too. Then there
are some mildly programming tasks as in shell scripting and stuff for
the insfrastructure, people dont need to be programming gurus to help
there. Documentation improvements (as easy as just care for formatting,
no need for writing documentation, we developers do that, but some hands
making it look better would be welcome). Some volunteer for mailinglist
moderation (deleting spam, maybe caring for spam filtering) and such.
Some tasks are quite simple one time things others are labor intensive
or ongoing. But any help would be welcome.

Christian

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Re: [CinCV] Version question

[Christian Thaeter]

Frans de Boer wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I am using CV 2.1 and am still waiting for the CV 4.1 version.
> As the developers have stated before - that the original authors where
> interested in features, not stability and thus usability - I just wonder
> why there is no CV 4.1 release yet. Is it because the original 4.1
> release is so much more stable today? Or is it a matter of fading
> interest and/or lack of time?
> 
> Waiting for Luminera (or so) seems to be waiting for . well, fill in
> the dots.

CV means Community Version, waiting will not make any progress, both
projects depens on the community to improve it. We really need helpers,
both, Lumiera and Cinelerra. There is some lack of development
resources, while you sit, twiddling your thumbs, consider to help in
some part.


Christian


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Re: [CinCV] Where to download 4.1 CV (source code)

[Christian Thaeter]

cShell Music wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'm unable to find the download link for the latest 4.1 CV.
> Can only find the older 2.1 CV version.
> 
> Could anybody please be so kind as to send
> me the download link?
> 

eh i was a bit fast with my first post, there is no functional 4.1CV,
the merge isnt finished yet and needs volunteers. Some work started and
is available in some git repos.

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Re: [CinCV] Where to download 4.1 CV (source code)

[Christian Thaeter]

cShell Music wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'm unable to find the download link for the latest 4.1 CV.
> Can only find the older 2.1 CV version.
> 
> Could anybody please be so kind as to send
> me the download link?

http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php  see below that page

Source code

The source code of Cinelerra-CV is available from a git repository. To
get a copy for compilation use the following command

git clone git://git.cinelerra.org/j6t/cinelerra.git my_cinelerra

You can modify this working copy, and submit your patches to the mailing
list, or ask for your own repo or for permission to push to one of the
existing ones.



Note: to our web maintainers the mob repo should be mentioned there.


Christian



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[CinCV] LAC Video Team

[Christian Thaeter]

I talked monday with Frank Neumann, he told me that the LAC Video Team
would welcome some hands. I offered that I by myself can do a bit help
(operate camera, mixer or so for an hour). If anyone of you attending to
 the Linux Audio Conference and want to help a bit too, please note Jörg
 and look at
http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/lac2010/streaming

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Re: [CinCV] Gitosis Admin needed!

[Christian Thaeter]

Cillian de Róiste wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Christian Thaeter  wrote:
>> I tried and failed to setup an gitosis account for Einar,
>> His ssh key/login works so far but somehow he gets:
>>  'git push g...@git.cinelerra.org:einar/cinelerra.git' -
>> ERROR:gitosis.serve.main:Repository read access denied

I think we fixed it yestereday, Einar will retry later.

>>
>> I dont know gitosis well, anyone out there who can help?
>> Btw who is left as Sysadmin for the cinelerra.org server? Cillian are
>> you still there? Shall we post a job offering?
> 
> I'll try to take a look at it this evening. I'm afraid I don't know
> much about gitosis either, so if someone else could help out that
> would be great!
> Regarding general admin, I do keep an eye on the mailing list, so if
> something breaks I will try to help out, but I'm not a sys-admin by
> trade, so if there is anyone else out there who can help it would be
> appreciated.

I've added Simeon to 'root', he wanted to help out, but i think we still
need someone who want to be dedicated to the sysadmin task, which isnt
really much, managing something every few month and keep an eye on it.
It would be just nice if we can name some responsible person as sys-admin.

> I have some plans to give the Trac instance the same theme as the main
> site, but just haven't found the time yet.
> 
> Cheers,
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[CinCV] Gitosis Admin needed!

[Christian Thaeter]

I tried and failed to setup an gitosis account for Einar,
His ssh key/login works so far but somehow he gets:
 'git push g...@git.cinelerra.org:einar/cinelerra.git' -
ERROR:gitosis.serve.main:Repository read access denied

I dont know gitosis well, anyone out there who can help?
Btw who is left as Sysadmin for the cinelerra.org server? Cillian are
you still there? Shall we post a job offering?

Christian


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Re: [CinCV] Is it possible to get my own repo?

[Christian Thaeter]

Einar Rünkaru wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> I think that I have managed to fix Cinelerra-2.1CV locking problem.
> It seems fix for bugzilla bugs 278, 383, 406, 414, 493, 519 - may be
> some more, some may be irrelevant.
> 
> Fix is huge and tested on couple laptops with 32bit distributions.
> Obviously it needs more testing on different hardware/distibutions.
> 
> During debugging I found and fixed addittional bugs:
> - subtitle decoding in libmpeg3
> - added defaults into libmpeg3 for subtitle color
> - index generation in libmpeg3
> - edit_font_color initialization of S.U.V
> - more info in assert info window
> - removed BC_Windowevents (now 7 threads less)
> - fix of bug 524
> - fixed copiler warnings of some plugins
> - fixed timebar cursor updating of viewer and compositor
> - trace subsystem was rewritten to static buffers, added backtrace
> dump on crash
> - lots of cleanups
> 
> Important change behaviour: composer and viewer always display the frame
> starting at the time shown on clock. Frame displayed does not depend on
> forward/backward direction. There was inconsistency when direction was
> accounted when not (mask).
> 
> I intend to continue bug-hunting. Work done so far may be useful for somebody.
Great work :)

> 
> My question is: Is it possible to get my own repo?

Of course, visit us on IRC, send your ssh-pubkey. You can also
(meanwhile) use the Mob repository which is public pushable through
git:// protocoll, just create your own branch there.


Christian


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[CinCV] Linux Audio Conference, Utrecht 1-4 May 2010

[Christian Thaeter]

Hi People,

i'm starting planning for LAC. So far we talked on irc #lumiera
and #openvideo and a lot of video software programmers want to attend.

A Flight is quite cheap for me, from Frankfurt to
Amsterdam (flight 87Eur, train would be 217Eur, blame the german
railways).

Next comes accomodation, Hotels are not so cheap but there are some
Hostels in Utrecht somewhere between 15-20 Eur per night. It would be
possible to book a room in some, so this leads to the idea to ask around
if we can gather enough people who would go there to get our own Room. I
am possibly go from 30. Apr to 5.th May. Raffa and ichthyo already told
that they possibly have to be back home on Monday. So, well I am
collecting suggestions and will ask for a room on a hostel, please tell
me when you are interested (soon).


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[CinCV] Independent Days in Karlsruhe

[Christian Thaeter]

Just for notice, I live in Karlsruhe but didn't attended last years.
This year I will take a peek for sure:

 http://www.independentdays.de/

This is a fairly small but reknown event within the german indie film
scene. Anyone else will be there?

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[CinCV] YaCy Search on our Server

[Christian Thaeter]

I always wanted to try out YaCy, last Monday on OpenExpo here I met the
developers and we took some time and set it up on our server.

Take a look at:
 http://git.pipapo.org:8080/

Now you can do all your searchs you never wanted g00gle to know about.

Well, seriosuly this is just an experiment, running under its own
vserver. Soon we may create few custom search engines (a open-video one
for sure) and hook them up with the other vservers (lumiera, cinelerra)
 as frontend.

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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra Plugin - Dip2Black

[Christian Thaeter]

Keith Gudger wrote:
> I needed a "dip to black" transition for my video editing, so I've
> created one from (I hope) the latest commit.  I don't know how to check
> out all the possible options for video input, but it seems to work fine
> for me (I derived it from the "flash" transition).
> If you are interested in  having this transition in the repository,
> please let me know the best way to proceed.  I am familiar with SVN, but
> am having a bit of trouble figuring out git.  Thanks.
> 
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we have a git-mob repository where you can push to, just commit your
changes into your checkout and then push it up to:
 git://git.cinelerra.org/mob/cinelerra.git

step by step:

 # prepare and do the commit:
 git add 
 git commit -m 'give a message about what youve done'

 # registering the mob repository with a short name
 git remote add mob git://git.cinelerra.org/mob/cinelerra.git

 # and push your (local) master branch
 # to a new branch on the server with your name in it
 git push mob master:refs/heads/keith

When done send an announcement to this list, others (j6t, simeon,..)
will review and merge it.

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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra 4.1

[Christian Thaeter]

Francisco Naqoy wrote:
> I'm running Ubuntu Jaunty here, and compiling sources it no a problem
> for me...
> 
> I was wondering about stability and resources issues...
> I know that the HV offers support to a large number of video formats,
> and had some new features. But the CV is running perfectly here, and I
> don't know if the HV worts a try!
If you need the new features, its worth a try.

> 
> Here I have the 2.1 Community Version, but does this mean that the CV is
> not updated as the HV? (or is the CV built this way to be more stable?)
merging HV into CV needs some people doing it, that could be you, or
anyone else. CV means community version and it depends on the community.
If no one works on it then there is no progress.

> 
> If you don't mind to answer, what version are you running, an why? :P

I have both, but dont do much video editing currently.

> 
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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra 4.1

[Christian Thaeter]

Francisco Naqoy wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Which do you recommend?
> The Community Version or this new Heroine version?

Thats simple: the one which works for you!
The HV version is only packaged for RH and Ubuntu. If you use that you
can try it. Otherwise you need to compile from source which implies some
  programming experience and to know how to fix things. HV offers no
support for it.

Cin4.1 has few more features by now than CinCV (these are not yet merged
back)

On the other side CinCV is packaged for much more distributions, you get
community support for it and it maintains a few own patches/inventions
too. When you compile it from source and need to fix something you can
push that to the git mob and the fixes will be merged.


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Re: [CinCV] teaching at school: hard/software advice?

[Christian Thaeter]

Kurt Georg Hooss wrote:
> sorry if a bit off-topic, hope not too far off.
> starting in september, i have to teach video production
> in a literature class 12 (20 to 35 students around 18 years old).
> 
> obviously, an open-source production pipeline is best suited
> (thanks raffa & christian for arguments). the school seems ready
> to install everything necessary on a number of p4 (32bit) machines.
I hope they have at least 1GB memory, better more.

> 
> up to now, all machines can boot windows from a central server,
> and i have seen there is a (not-working) ubuntu test installation too
> which they said could be improved or replaced by something reasonable.
> 
> ubuntu studio looks promising but has no cinelerra in it,
> so some number of things must be additionally installed anyway.
> is there any other distro that you can recommend for the purpose?
> 
> for example, i have good experience with suse 10.3 (kde 3.5, quite stable),
> however i had to install cin+codecs and lots of things from packman,
> but all that is fairly reproducible so i will probably go for that.

I have debian lenny + debian-multimedia which has cinelerra packaged. I
didnt even checked if thats the newest version, prolly not, but it works
resonable well for me.
> 
> so far, the school has no camera. they are ready to get some
> and asked me to tell them what i need. so, what do you think i should order?
> how many? and what model? please advise.

as soon uwiki becomes useable I would like to make a open hardware
exchange plattform. Just some structured wiki pages where people can
announce what unused hardware they can offer (and for what conditions)
and on the other side what people would like to have. That all voluntary
and just as platform to come together, no commercial intent and no ebay
like pseudo auction.

Otherwise, I guess raffa can give the best advice on hardware, you
certainly dont need 25 cameras, 1-2 reasonable cheap consumer models
would prolly do. Considering that you can't have the best possible
hardware, I'd also suggest to work with SD (PAL/DV) footage only, dont
even think about HD.

You'll certainly need quite some harddisk space to archive your footage.
Some central server with a lot of space (I really recommend raid for
disk redundancy here) would do this with as much hd space as you can
afford (thinking about 1TB 3x500GB disks as software raid5 have a good
price point currently, maybe more when you can afford it), then your
classroom machines may use older/smaller/existing disks prolly anything
>80GB will work for smaller projects. For performance reasons the
students likely have to copy their footage to their machines, or you use
some local caching filesystem, AFS comes in mind here, but needs someone
who knows how to administrate it.

Dunno if this suggestions help, a lot things are quite variable
depending on what exactly you want to do and if this courses will hold
more often and thus investment in hardware and software (administration)
 will make sense in the long run.

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[CinCV] Hardisk problem on the server, hopefully solved

[Christian Thaeter]

Ok, we got a new harddisk, initial checks are just running before I
resync the raid. If all goes sane, no additional reboot required and the
Server will be fully back later.

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Re: [CinCV] New film: This is Art..

[Christian Thaeter]

Norval Watson wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's me in the wheelchair.. I'm an incomplete quadruplegic. I can walk 
> but the museums in Paris are so big that it is a lot easier to get my brother 
> to push me in a wheelchair. Plus - we get in for free ;)
> Cheers, Norv

And you got a camera dolly with you :)

Christian

> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
>> From: Kurt Georg Hooss 
>> To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
>> Sent: Friday, 17 July, 2009 7:18:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CinCV] New film: This is Art..
>>
>>
>> Strong impression, thanks!
>> was that you on the wheelchair in the mirror?
>> the perspective suggests something like it...
>> cheers, georg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday 15 July 2009 08:46:26 Norval Watson wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>> Here is my new film -
>>>
>>> "This is Art.."  A nine minute rollercoaster ride through the great museums
>>> of Paris.
>>>
>>> Streaming on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/5586288
>>> Streaming on YouTube:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jEu3uWAdcg&feature=player_profilepage And
>>> for better quality...
>>> Free .ogg download: http://www.longforest.com/video/art_3.ogg
>>> Free .mp4 download: http://www.longforest.com/video/art_3.mp4
>>>
>>> Music done with Freewheeling, Fluidsynth, Hexter, WhySynth, and Phasex.
>>> Edited with Cinelerra.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Norv
>>>
>>>
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>> -- 
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>> kurts film / schoepfung & wandel
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>> tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 (fax: -333)
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[CinCV] Hardisk problem on the server,

[Christian Thaeter]

Looks like one harddisk in the server failed and we running in degraded
mode now. I try to figure more out and eventually let them replace it.
Expect some reboots and downtimes soon.

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[CinCV] Network problems on the Server

[Christian Thaeter]

We have some network problems on the Server, hopefully being fixed later
today. You may experience outages on akirad, cinelerra and lumiera.

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Re: [CinCV] mods for cinelerra-4, if you are still interested.

[Christian Thaeter]

Agent Smith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I noticed 
> http://www.cinelerra.org..
> seems to be owned and operated by you.  If your still
> interested in cinelerra, here is a synopsis of a patch I have
> which appiles to cinelerra-4.
> 
> 
> changes:
> 
> libmpeg3 has been recoded in C++ and renamed to libzmpeg3.  The C
> callable interface is still available, but the program main must be
> C++.  libzmpeg3 can be used in a threaded environment.
> 
> Scaling and several new output formats are supported in video/output.C
> several costly memory moves were either recoded, removed, or downscaled.
> 
> All of the reconstruction subfunctions are now accelerated using mmx.h
> and so no longer need to be in assembly language source files.
> 
> Subtitles were reworked and are now decoded if selected.
> 
> Closed captioning has been added to video/video.C using subtitle tracks.
>   note: the library now uses X fonts, but this can be staticly built by
>   specifying a Makefile compile switch.
> 
> Nav packets are now (to some extent) supported, for encrypted dvds.
> 
> Ifo support is a little more debugged.  The probe phase normally uses
>   ifo table information, but some off brand dvds use bizarre generic
>   configurations.  The empirical probe is still available if the
>   environment variable "IFO_STREAM_PROBE" exists.
> 
> The low level io has been recoded as zio.C and supports single access
>   threaded streaming data for dvb devices..
> 
> Dvb Mgt packets are now decoded (to some extent) in the stream probes.
>   Added mpeg3_dvb_* api.  The empirical probe is still available if the
>   environment variable "DVB_STREAM_PROBE" exists.
> 
> libpthread locks was replaced with direct calls to futex.
> 
> A couple of test programs have been included in the build directory.
> 
> Some improvements were added to slice buffer reading for speedup.
> 
> Seeking/Toc have been reworked somewhat to improve accuracy.
> 
> Raw MPEG transport streams can be directly captured.
> 
> 
> 
> *** cinelerra:
> Dvb support has been added.  This caused record*.C to be recoded.
>   The use of a remote server was removed..  Direct transport stream
>   capture is available and easily captures stream data on my laptop.
>   Transcoding still works, but only can keep up at ntsc and below
>   on my laptop.
> 
> Dvb channel scanning is available (but somewhat unstable).
> 
> filempeg was modified to use some of the new features in libzmpeg3.
> 
> Device presentation timestamps can be used to sync frame data.
>   This is selectable as a preference.
> 
> Dvb recording format parameters can follow the mpeg probe data.
>   This is selectable as a preference.
> 
> audiodevice was modified.  Duplex was removed and made inherent.
> 
> An input monitoring capability was added to audioidevice.
> 
> 5.1->2 downmixing is available in audiodevice for input/output.
>   This feature can be enabled/disabled using the preferences.
>   This is not really needed for cinelerra, since the patchbay does
>   this already, but when recording device data the patchbay downmix
>   is not available. An indicator appears in meters when downmixing.
> 
> 
> I have looked at porting the patch to the version which is supported
> here, but to port my_cinelerra to cinelerra-4 would take a few days. 
> Also, Adam Williams has added a copyright notice to all of the files,
> but he has indicated to me that publishing a derivitive is fine with him.
> 
> If you are interested, or would like me to post this as a branch, or
> would just like a copy to evaluate...
> 
> 
> I suggest that the port be accomplished by essentially calculating the
> differences for cinelerra2.1->my_cinelerra and then port these changes
> to cinelerra4+above_patch.  I estimate the mod to be ~100K-200K lines
> for {cinelerra, guicast, plugins} and that there are ~2K diffs which
> require manual attention.  Files record* would be summarily replaced.  I
> would retain the build structure of my_cinelerra, but recommend removing
> inactive files.
> 
> If this is unsavory, then perhaps just create a derivitive branch to
> expose the changes.

The launchpad svn is unrelated to cinelerra.org, someone else must have
set that up. We provide git repositories on our own server, see
http://git.cinelerra.org/gitweb/ . There is a mob repository which can
be used to anonymously push proposed changes
git://git.cinelerra.org/mob/cinelerra.git without an account.
Considering the massive work you propose here it would be also ok give
you and account to maintain your own repository on the server. I can
help you out with git but I am not involved in cinelerra development.
Maybe someone else on the list will volunteer to merge your changes in.

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Re: [CinCV] hackIT: somebody coming?

[Christian Thaeter]

Valentina Messeri wrote:
> iwas thinking aboutif somebody is interested, please contact me
> 
> I had some ideas...
> 
> Vale

webpage, dates, costs, location, .. wtf? :)

googleing for 'hackit' doesn't reveal anything useful


Christian

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[CinCV] Anyone noted the openvideoconference?

[Christian Thaeter]

http://openvideoconference.org/

Just reading the website.


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Re: [CinCV] dnxhd

[Christian Thaeter]

David Arendt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It has been a long time since I last developed on cinelerra due to time
> constraints, therefore I also don't longer have a development account,
> so I am sending this patch to the list instead of using git. I also
> decided to include modify aboutprefs.C and add my name as I also have
> contributed various patches to cinelerra.

Thanks, I'm sure j6t will include them. About git accounts: If you are
planing to work more on cinelerra, you can just ask one of the admins
about an gitosis account and send him your ssh key. But otherwise we
have an 'anonymous pushable' git repository where anyone can create
branches and send code to: git://git.cinelerra.org/mob/cinelerra

So basically doing:
git push git://git.cinelerra.org/mob/cinelerra master:/refs/heads/david

will push your work up there. Of course you still need to announce it on
 on the ML so that anyone notices.


> Also if there should be any need for webspace in relation with cinelerra
> development, I have currently a server with a 100mbit/s internet
> connection and plenty of space, and could donate some webspace to you.

We (some community people/projects) have now our own server with plenty
of space too.

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[CinCV] Re: [Lumiera] Vote for the Lumiera Logo Contest!!

[Christian Thaeter]

Raffaella Traniello wrote:
> Ciao!
> 
> The Lumiera Logo Contest is having more popularity than expected.
> 108 logo concepts have been submitted.
> Thanks for your generous contribution!
> 
> The Contest has now entered the voting stage.
> 
> 21 logos have been selected.
> You are invited to vote for the best one.
> Voting is done by ranking each logo with a number. Number 1 is for your
> favorite ones.
> 
> You can view the candidates at
> http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/Lumiera/Logos/Selection 

Alternative: http://www.lumiera.org/Selection.html
when you read this mail, then prefer that, doesnt cost my home
bandwidth, is more reliable and faster (but looks more ugly, missing css).

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Re: [CinCV] Unmet dependencies Debian Etch

[Christian Thaeter]

Daniel Jircik wrote:
> Hi Flavio, that's a bad link? 404
> Have you seen artistx? A work of art. 32bit live cd but no installer,
> anyway after a netinst and the pseudo-script from artist x seen here:
> http://www.artistx.org/site2/documentation/how-to/from-debian-to-artistx.html
> I was very pleased with the outcome.  Less cinelerra of course :-(
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:38 PM, flavio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> I also use Debian Etch (pentium4 though). It's been quite some time
> since I could update cin using the cv way, so I've using an older
> version (from october 2007 or so, I guess). I works perfectly and
> I'm very happy with it, so I never bothered trying to work around
> this issue. Basically, I went to the repo and downloaded the .deb
> for cin and its dependencies and dpkg-ed them.
> 
> Last month, I also had to do an instalation tutorial, so I installed
> a Debian Etch from zero inside a virtualbox (a debian inside a
> debian). There, I tried to compile cinelerra-4 - the official, from
> heroine warrior - and everything went just fine. I haven't had the
> time to actually test it thoroughly, but in case you may want a
> link, here it is: http://banto.hipatia.net/blog/spip.php?article595
> 
> have fun,
> flavio

We have an automatic build system on the server, I proposed some time
ago that someone could jump on board and extend it to do chroot/qemu
builds for automatic packaging. .. so far I am still waiting

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Re: [CinCV] check installation on debian

[Christian Thaeter]

Valentina Messeri wrote:
> Marillat is quite a mess, right now, due to a conflict with it's ffmpeg
> and various multimedia packagesi've been e-mailed about it
> 
> From the other side there's nobody taking care of debian
> packagingi'm still a debian user, so i can do that, i mean packaging
> debian from distro i'm actually running
> 
> As well we can obviously add marillat packagin ( i though it was already
> added, hehhehe)what i definetly won't do is answer if any problem
> with marillat packaging occurs.
> 
> Raffa, can we have a look at this like next monday?
> 
> Acually, i'm in a middle of a workshoptill tomorrow...

I've now set up a automatic build systen on the server (see lumiera
mailing list) our development server is debian-lenny and someone could
easily setup an automatic build for cinelerra packages,
chrooted/kvm/qemu builds for other distris would also be possible. The
only missing thing there is a volunteer who wants to help improving the
system (Debian packaging isnt yet implemented for the automatic build
system, but would be easy to do) ... if anyone is interested in working
on that, please contact me.

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[CinCV] Mob repository is back!

[Christian Thaeter]

I've set up a mob repository again. The intention here is that anyone
can easily push fixes to it (please make your own git branch).

The address is:
 git://git.cinelerra.org/mob/cinelerra.git

Note that you shall *NEVER EVER* trust the content of this repository,
anyone could upload potential malicious content there. Review every pull
you do and consider gpg-signed tags for anything you want to be trusted.

This repos should be useful for anyone who wants to send contributions
and needs some git-space. Notably the Maintainers of different distros
are addressed here, when you have some small fixes which you want to
push upstream, just send them to the mob repo and drop a note on the ML
that you did so. Things can then be easily merged by j6t and others.

When you want a introduction to git visit http://git.or.cz/ or ask on
irc (#git or #cinelerra at irc.freenode.net).

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Re: [CinCV] Modeline for PAL etc

[Christian Thaeter]

Hannu Vuolasaho wrote:
> 
> 
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: [CinCV] Modeline for PAL etc
>> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:42:29 +0200
>>
>> I'm searching for a modeline/xrandr spell to turn my laptop video (intel
>> GM965/GL960) out to native PAL (interlaced). 
> 
> First of all, I don't believe you want to run your laptop LCD with 720x576i 
> mode. The LCD 
> is always progressive and it would look terrible even you didn't scale it to 
> full screen.  And LCD
> refresh rate is something else than 50Hz. And LCD displays look good only 
> when running in native resolution.

this laptop has no TV out, but VGA out, and I want native PAL signal to
drive CRT or beamers (well Beamers are LCD's or DLP's but i think they
handle interlacing better than normal LCD monitors). The idea is to use
the external output to present/monitor PAL with most native signal.


> 
> Second thing is that TV-out usually generates itself right timings and 
> interlaced image.
> How it is enabled depends your HW, setup and what you want. With nvidia we 
> have twinview and 
> X comes with xinerama and then we have xrandr.
> 
> So to get real PAL, NTSC or whatever video format is wanted is done with HW. 
> I believe you 
> have to just use Option lines enable the TV-out. And xorg.conf  can also tell 
> the display be
>  720x576 as eextended or scale the desktop or just take part of the screen. I 
> used to have
>  rectangle in background image which was sent to TV-out :)
> 
> But really good X configuration help site would be great. Now that you are 
> really going to 
> learn the configuration of X, you should make it thoroughly :)
> 
>  If you are good with html, you could create xorg.conf generator which asks 
> resolutions 
> and order of monitors and which driver to use and then create simple 
> xorg.conf with 
> different server layouts. Like xinerama, mirror, TV-out as extended desktop 
> and 
> TV-out as part of desktop, TV-out as mirror of desktop.
> 
> Just my two (Euro) cents
> 
> Hannu Vuolasaho
> _
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[CinCV] Modeline for PAL etc

[Christian Thaeter]

I'm searching for a modeline/xrandr spell to turn my laptop video (intel
GM965/GL960) out to native PAL (interlaced). Anyone knows such one off
hand? (would be nice to make some webpage for different kinds of SD and
HD formats and graphic cards available, I can set such a page up when we
get a collection here)

Christian

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Re: [CinCV] Re: Announce: local search engine

[Christian Thaeter]

Gour wrote:

"Christian" == Christian Thaeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


Christian> Simeon set ht://dig up, we can now search cinelerra.org
Christian> lumiera.org and some related sites on our server.

htdig is still alive?

Christian> I am not very impressed with the performance so far, this may
Christian> need some tweaks. So far this is only a try, it could happen


Fixed now, it is fast


Christian> that we change the search engine sometime in the future. If
Christian> someone has experience with this, please make suggestions.

Why not only localized Google search?


because we can and generally I like to support anti-monopolism.




Sincerely,
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[CinCV] Announce: local search engine

[Christian Thaeter]

Simeon set ht://dig up, we can now search cinelerra.org lumiera.org and 
some related sites on our server.


http://lumiera.org/search.html


I am not very impressed with the performance so far, this may need some 
tweaks. So far this is only a try, it could happen that we change the 
search engine sometime in the future. If someone has experience with 
this, please make suggestions.



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Re: [CinCV] Red cameras

[Christian Thaeter]

Norval Watson wrote:

This might be old news to some of you... Red cameras, founded by the
founder of Oakley, are making modular digital cameras you can shoot
feature films on. RED / Cameras

YouTube - The Red One Camera Red Digital Cinema Camera Company -
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I wonder if they are/will be
compatible with Cinelerra/Lumiera?


For Lumiera we would *really* like to support the redcode at some point. 
 Many people asking for it and its a really hot system. Currently we 
are just not that far to think about such details and anyways support 
for such needs rather be incooperated into the underlying libgavl.


Otherwise I have no Idea if Red is interested in supporting free 
software projects, either just with technical documentation or even with 
funding. That would be of a great help! When it is time we will 
approach them.


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[CinCV] ANNOUNCE: Lumiera Mailinglists available

[Christian Thaeter]

Finally, we now set up our own mailinglists!

Lumiera is a Free/Open Source Non-Linear Editing (NLE) application 
project for Linux developed by the CinelerraCV community. It is in 
development and no release has made yet

(don't even ask we'll announce it).


First there is the general 'Lumiera' mailinglist:
 http://lists.lumiera.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lumiera

The purpose of this Mailinglist is the discussion between developers and
potential users about Lumiera. This will always stay a general and in 
depth ML where developers and users come together.
This list is open for anyone to subscribe and post messages. When you 
are interested in Lumiera, subscribe to this list.



Second we have a 'Lumiera-work' mailinglist:
 http://lists.lumiera.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lumiera-work

The developers coordinate work and post jobs/todo items in a terse form 
on this list. This list is moderated for new subscribers. Just read its 
archive and contact us when you find a job which looks suitable to you. 
When you are interested in helping with Lumiera development, subscribe 
to this list.



The mailinglists are new and some configurations might be changed, 
subscribing has to pass a greylisting test. Be patient when you 
subscribe it takes up to 30 minutes to get an confirmation. When you 
still have any issues/problems with subscribing please drop me a 
personal mail.



Christian


PS: thanks to Cillan who set this up!

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[CinCV] [Announce] Lumiera Developers meeting

[Christian Thaeter]

Hi folks,

almost forgotten to send an announcement, our next Developer meeting is 
scheduled on


 Thursday 4. Sept 17:00 UTC  (thats 19:00 german, 18:00 uk)

The meeting will be held on irc.freenode.net in #lumiera

The agenda needs an update *cough*
 http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/Lumiera/MonthlyMeetings

We had vacations and FrOSCon last month so it looked bit quiet, but it 
wasn't :). I guess quite some things are much clearer now.


Christian





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Re: [CinCV] few notes about gui brainstorming

[Christian Thaeter]

IL'dar AKHmetgaleev wrote:

На Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:25:35 +0200
Christian Thaeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> записано:



* Work well with tiling window managers

With ion3 there is a bug which lets it hang at startup.
Of course such just needs to be tested in lumiera, so far it works
fine.

have same bug. After changing layout cinelerra starts and then works
right.

yes i know, just default doesnt work.



* Multi Head
This means multi head as in non-xinerama, sending windows to other 
displays (and configure this) is really important. For example i'd

like to have a extra monitor which is driven at the *native* video
resolution with all its details (interlacing, overscan, framerate)
only this gives true professional preview. We really want that!

IMHO sending video and audio to FireWire will be good enough. For most
cases external _video_ displays are connected via some special hardware
which should have special drivers.
Well, thats the 'PRO' case where one has special hardware. but (in 
contrast to the 'MultiServer' thing) this is intended to make a poor 
mans proffessional setup who doesn't have this kinds of extra hardware.




* Multi server 
Display GUI components on different Xservers, some critical

components (GL rendering etc) might be only supported on local
displays
Thats nice to hear. I stated this is not a very important feature and 
when it makes problems to implement, then better leave it out for

now. But anyways, gigabit (or even 10GBit) network should be fast
enough for sending texture data around. Such setups are anyway on the
upper end of the equipment range, who wants it could afford
reasonable network equipment too but it is not a feature for the most
of the users.

Actually It will be very common if we provide such feature. For example
I would like to have some windows on my laptop's screen to free
workspace on my desktop.
Thats how i use laptop and desktop for programming, with emacs frames on 
both displays over xforwarding (over wlan!). I dont know how complicated 
will that be from the implementation standpoint. Maybe Joel investigates 
this, definitely a nice to have.



* 3x3 Menus
Yes I know many of those, there are a lot menu systems based on some 
kind of radial idea (Hex is common). But all those together are

rather very alien for normal users. Thats why I thought about the 3x3
dialpad menu which should be a familar compromise between classic
pulldown menus and  the rather fancy 'others'. It also exploits some
more usability since it can be driven in more ways (mouse, shortcuts,
cursor keys, numpad) on the expense of having only 8 useable entries
per level. We just need to convince joel just more to make a
prototype :P

IMHO efficient UI much better then "like other". But yes 3x3 menu with
key acceleration like keypad will be very good. I would like to edit
video without mouse at all.

my thinking :)


One more thing.
I would like to have a way to control playback with game input device
such as joystic or joypad. Most game devices has analog axises which
will be very useful for changing playback speed or control some faders.

I am not GUI programmer, but after all i think these devices just 
generate input events (maybe even X events) which should be handled. 
Maybe we make a controller plugin interface for that, then this is 
easily extensible. Abusing all kinds of gadgets as cheap video 
controllers seems to be high on the list of wanted features. We will 
support that.


Christian


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Re: [CinCV] few notes about gui brainstorming

[Christian Thaeter]

IL'dar AKHmetgaleev wrote:

* Work well with tiling window managers

current cinelerra's gui workw well with my xmonad.
Except some dialog windows like "tip of day". Such dialog windows
should be marked as dialog. In this case this windows will appear as
floating rather then tiling.


With ion3 there is a bug which lets it hang at startup.
Of course such just needs to be tested in lumiera, so far it works fine.




* Multi Head

In most cases having multiple windows will be enough. You can just drag
windows between heads. But in more advanced case you have to send
window to another X server. Take a look "Change Display" in gtk-demo.
Will be nice to have such widget on all lumiera windows. It allows to
send any window to another X Server even via network.
This means multi head as in non-xinerama, sending windows to other 
displays (and configure this) is really important. For example i'd like 
to have a extra monitor which is driven at the *native* video resolution 
with all its details (interlacing, overscan, framerate) only this gives 
true professional preview. We really want that!




* Multi server 
Display GUI components on different Xservers, some critical components

(GL rendering etc) might be only supported on local displays


I had played OpenGL games with window shared via 100 megabit network.
And it is gone very well. Seems Application sends OpenGL calls to X
Server via network and then X Server draws it on screen. So I had very
low ethernet traffic. Should work nice in most cases except sharing
large moving images which should be transferred as bitmap (viewers).

Thats nice to hear. I stated this is not a very important feature and 
when it makes problems to implement, then better leave it out for now. 
But anyways, gigabit (or even 10GBit) network should be fast enough for 
sending texture data around. Such setups are anyway on the upper end of 
the equipment range, who wants it could afford reasonable network 
equipment too but it is not a feature for the most of the users.



* 3x3 Menus

Did you saw Autodesk Maya's radial menus?
http://hci.deri.ie/~ksamp/atom.mas

Yes I know many of those, there are a lot menu systems based on some 
kind of radial idea (Hex is common). But all those together are rather 
very alien for normal users. Thats why I thought about the 3x3 dialpad 
menu which should be a familar compromise between classic pulldown menus 
and  the rather fancy 'others'. It also exploits some more usability 
since it can be driven in more ways (mouse, shortcuts, cursor keys, 
numpad) on the expense of having only 8 useable entries per level. We 
just need to convince joel just more to make a prototype :P



Christian

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Re: [CinCV] Flowchart, block diagrams, or anything??

[Christian Thaeter]

Herman Robak wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:18:03 +0200, Charles Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi everyone-

Is there any kind of documentation that out there that describes the overall
way that the Cinelerra classes interact to accomplish tasks? For example, is
there anything that describes the process Cinelerra uses to playback video
from the timeline? Just based on what I've been able to find (basically
nothing), it seems like it would be increadibly difficult for a potential
contributor (like me) to get a handle on how the program actually works.


 Indeed it is. :-/


Everything that I can find seems to point to the "Secrets of Cinelerra"
document or the Cinelerra manual (are these basically the same?) which talk
about how to use the application, but not really how the application works.


 For what it is worth, I have generated Doxygen documentation now and then,
and put some of them online.  The latest was of revision 1056, which is the 
first one of _all_ the "hvirtual" tree (made on a much faster computer!):


http://cinelerra.org/devcorner/doxy/svn_2.1_r1056/html/index.html

I found function call graphs quite useful, so I enabled them.  What used 
to take a day and a night on a quite fast laptop took two hours on a four 
CPU Opteron. :-))


 (We should do this more often, now that we have a quite juicy server for 
cinelerra.org.  Cillian?)


I already started some time ago some things on the 'devel' vserver to do 
such. but not yet completed. Help here would be appredicated, Volunteers 
 contact me please.


Christian




Links to Doxygen docs made earlier can be found here:
http://www.cinelerra.org/devcorner.php




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Re: [CinCV] Re: Cinelerra hangs when reloading project

[Christian Thaeter]

Aaron Newcomb wrote:

This has been an ongoing issue for a while. There are already bugs out
there. I built the latest from svn yesterday and I still have the
issue. It seems that if you kill and reload enough times you can get
your project to load. Other users have reported that if you load your
project as "Create new resources only" first and then load it again
with "Replace current project" you might get better results until the
bug is resolved.


Someone also reported that it works when Firefox is open in parallel, 
yes, thats weird. I can only suspect a race condition with the Xserver.


Otherwise, the locking system in cinelerra is somewhat broken and has 
some races. Fixing that would need some biggier involvement.


Christian




On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:20 AM, Martin Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I've run Cin under strace, and all it does after the load command is
futex(0x7fb81afc94ec, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 1, NULL
-- is it waiting on something that never arrives/happens?

Should I raise a bug for this?

2008/7/8 Martin Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Does anyone have any ideas about this? It is a major problem. I cannot do
any work at all. Is it affecting everyone? (Cinelerra hangs when I try to
reload my project).

When I kill cinelerra I get the following:
signal_entry: got SIGTERM my pid=8962 execution table size=3:
vrender.C: run: 414
vrender.C: process_buffer: 103
vrender.C: process_buffer: 113
FileDV::read_frame 40
FileDV::read_frame 80
mwindowedit.C: paste_edls: 1595
mwindowedit.C: paste_edls: 1606
mwindowedit.C: paste_edls: 1609
FileDV::open_file 10
FileDV::open_file 30
signal_entry: lock table size=9
0x7f3539298130 CWindowTool::input_lock CWindowTool::run
0x7f35390bd4b0 TransportQue::output_lock PlaybackEngine::run
0x7f3539185380 Cinelerra: trial-1.xml MWindow::paste_edls *
0x7f35390421e0 BC_Repeater::repeat_lock BC_Repeater::run
0x7f3539185380 Cinelerra: trial-1.xml MainIndexes::run 1
0x7f3539185380 Cinelerra: trial-1.xml ResourceThread::do_video
0x7f3539156510 Canvas::canvas_lock VDeviceX11::new_output_buffer *
0x7f35390ebe60 Cinelerra: dvgrab-2008.07.06_18-30-19.dv
VDeviceX11::new_output_buffer 1 *
0x7f3539183df0 TransportQue::output_lock PlaybackEngine::run
BC_Signals::dump_buffers: buffer table size=0
BC_Signals::delete_temps: deleting 0 temp files
SigHandler::signal_handler total files=0

That is the only diagnostic information that I have. Is there any way of
getting any more information about the problem?


2008/7/8 Martin Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Cinelerra hangs when I reload my project. Does anyone (a) know why or
what I can do? (b) know the difference between slowly loading a large
project and stuck?

1. created a new project
2. loaded up lots of film clips
3. pasted clips onto tracks
4. saved EDL
5. restarted cinelerra
6. loaded saved project
result: loads, shows audio tracks, but then sits there in 'wait' cursor
(goes around in a circle). Cinelerra does not respond to anything.

Details: Cinelerra 2.1CV (C) 2006 Heroine Virtual Ltd.
Compiled on Tue Jun 10 21:54:37 HKT 2008

but the same result with:
Cinelerra 2.1CV  2.1 SVN svn20080514 RPMFusion For Fedora/EPEL
.fc9.kwizart (C) 2006 Heroine Virtual Ltd.
External ffmpeg
Compiled on Thu May 15 17:56:35 EDT 2008


uname -a

Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.25.9-76.fc9.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Jun 27
15:58:30 EDT 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

I'm using the thumbnail option advised in the wiki.

--
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Martin
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[CinCV] Re: [Libopenvideo] [Announce] Lumiera Developers meeting

[Christian Thaeter]

Ichthyostega wrote:

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Hi all,

obviously we all forgot to announce the next meeting, sorry --


The next Lumiera developer meeting is scheduled for

 Thursday the 3. July 2008 at 16:30 UTC


OOOPs now the confusion is complete, since we had 6th on the wiki (and i 
forgot what we decided last time). I told a lot people about Sunday.


There are some new people! I don't know if we reach them through mail in 
time. Otherwise, some people are on vacation or otherwise excused 
(simav, raffa(when will she back?), joel(2 weeks vactation)).


Well .. "HowToFix" this? .. Today about the open topic and old leftover 
things and on sunday we can introduce new people to the project.


Christian



The meeting will be held on irc.freenode.net in #lumiera

The agenda for this meeting is at
 http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/Lumiera/MonthlyMeetings

Not much Topics so far, please feel free to add further topics.

*please note the changed time*. We changed the time, because
for several people in europe, the original time (21:00 UTC)
was too late, especially in summer with daylight saving.

Hermann Vosseler
(aka "Ichthyo")



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Re: [CinCV] Lumiera Donations Questions

[Christian Thaeter]

Martin Ellison wrote:
Do check the legal situation. You may find that you need some kind of 
permit or registration if you are soliciting donations from the public. 
Also remember that Lumiera is an international project so you have 
cross-jurisdictional issues ie the laws of more than on e country to 
consider. Will Lumiera have a 'home' country? Will there be a 'Lumiera 
Foundation' (like the Blender Foundation or the Wikipedia Foundation)?


We prevent this burecracy by making donations on a personal/private 
base. Donations won't go to a 'project' or 'organization' but between 
private persons in most cases. Either as as personal gifts or worked out 
as contracts, whatever donor and reciever acknowlege. So far there will 
be no cash/fund going to the 'project', people can place promises on 
http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/Lumiera/Donations which are non binding. 
When they really acknowledge money or goods transfers this will 
generally be between the two persons directly involved, in most cases a 
private-private relationship. As far I know there are no laws which 
require to tax gifts or forbid recieving/asking for them, but I am not a 
lawyer.


For bounties which can be seen as a contract this might turn out that 
the reciever is taken as business person (depending on the legislation 
where he lives), it could even be that reciever has to tax it.


When the donor is some kind of business or organization then some laws 
might apply for that, but generally I assume that a business is free to 
spend its money for whatever it wants (still legislations may differ), 
as long it can account it in its books somehow.


Of course this gifts or bounties are not Tax deductible like a charity 
in no way.


So far we trying to make this a test and lets see if it even works. When 
it works with more success as expected, which means we get a lot of 
donation this way (well maybe after there will be a useable Lumiera, I 
don't really expect it now). Then we might care for setting up a charity 
or foundation. So far the project is growing and current donation won't 
justify all the work, time and money involved setting up such an 
organizational form.



Christian

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[CinCV] Lumiera Donations

[Christian Thaeter]

Ok, I put a website online where people can add Donations for Lumiera.
 http://www.pipapo.org/pipawiki/Lumiera/Donations

If anyone don't want to fiddle with wiki editing, sending a note to me 
would suffice and I then add his promise.



Thanks,
Christian

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