Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
I've updated my QT for Linux Compatibility doc. Again, the purpose of it is to give an exhaustive list of all the Quicktime compression schemes available and their compatibility in Cinelerra, Mplayer and some other media players. The doc now has two main sections, one based on an HDV resolution formatted project and another based on a DV resolution format project. Some interesting notes: - Mplayer does behave better with smaller, DV rez video - Cinelerra crashes in the same three places for the DV project as it did on the HDV project. I will fill out bug reports for those soon. - Cinelerra compatibility with files rendered from a DV project is not much different than its compatibility with files rendered from an HDV project. - I have included a comparison chart of DV/HDV mplayer/cinelerra compatibility Anyway, at least this is a start to more comprehensively documenting the esoteric export functions within Cinelerra. Hope people find it useful: http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods.html scott ps - the HTML is tough to read, but if you have dual monitors, you can stretch your web browser really wide across the two monitors and actually make sense of the doc. On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 00:01 -0400, Scott C. Frase wrote: > Sorry guys..been out of touch with hardware problems. > > I will go ahead and crop my vid to the appropriate DV size (720x576) and > render using DV compression. I don't think this invalidates the rest of > my tests, but maybe I should find out by testing with DV resolution > output. It will be interesting to see if the other players and > Cinelerra perform differently trying to play a DV size video versus my > original HDV content. > > Let u know how it goes.. > scott > > On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 23:57 +0200, Herman Robak wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:40:07 +0200, Kevin Brosius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > Oh, I just realized, you said your source was HDV? What's the frame > > > size? I recall someone (I think Herman) telling me that DV is limited > > > to a smaller frame size, so if the only working combination is QT/DV, > > > and your source is HDV, then you have no options for MPlayer > > > compatibility... Ugh. :) > > > > Ogg/Theora works. AVI/MPEG4 rendered by Cinelerra _might_ work. > > > > I think Cinelerra should have HDV-compatible MPEG2 as an output > > option. And MPEG4 in an mp4 container, too. > > > > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
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Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
My dirty secret is that I use the camera's (JVC HD10U) WinXP-based utilities to download the MPEGTS files and then bring them over to Fedora. Eventually, I'll test out mpg1394grab. -- Original message -- From: Jan Luo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > hi scott, > > hope this is not off topic, but how did you capture the hdv? > > thanks! > > jan luo > > Scott C. Frase wrote: > > Guys, > > As I am starting a new project with the latest 2.1CV merge, I thought it > > might help to know which compression schemes used with the Quicktime for > > Linux format would be suitable to either view in Mplayer/Xine or use to > > transfer video within Cinelerra. > > > > As I was going through the exercise, I thought that other people on the > > list could use this information as well. So here is a spreadsheet > > detailing which QT compression schemes work in Mplayer and Cinelerra and > > which don't. The testing was done over a few hours today, and I've > > created an OpenOffice spreadsheet that you can access here: > > http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods > > > > An html version is here, though not formatted nicely: > > http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods.html > > > > It is interesting that a Quicktime file produced from Cinelerra using > > ANY of these compression scheme will NOT play properly in Mplayer/Xine. > > However, a good number of them do play well in Cinelerra. Here is the > > list of QT container compression schemes compatible with Cinelerra: > > > > MPEG-4 > > JPEG Photo > > Motion JPEG-A > > PNG Alpha > > YUVPlanar > > Uncompressed RGBA > > Component Y'CbCr 10-bit 4:4:4 > > > > Three compression schemes actually crashed Cinelerra: > > Component Y'CbCr 8-bit 4:2:2 (yuv2) > > Component Y'CbCr 8-bit 4:2:2 (2vuy) > > Microsoft MPEG-4 > > > > The other formats are NOT compatible with Cinelerra. > > > > I tested all my output files with Mplayer (version 1.0pre7-4.0.2) but > > only occasionally tested with Xine, as the first six or so results I got > > with Mplayer were always confirmed by Xine. > > > > Since the spreadsheet is sortable, you can tweak it to your liking. > > scott > > > > > > ___ > > Cinelerra mailing list > > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > > > > > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
hi scott, hope this is not off topic, but how did you capture the hdv? thanks! jan luo Scott C. Frase wrote: Guys, As I am starting a new project with the latest 2.1CV merge, I thought it might help to know which compression schemes used with the Quicktime for Linux format would be suitable to either view in Mplayer/Xine or use to transfer video within Cinelerra. As I was going through the exercise, I thought that other people on the list could use this information as well. So here is a spreadsheet detailing which QT compression schemes work in Mplayer and Cinelerra and which don't. The testing was done over a few hours today, and I've created an OpenOffice spreadsheet that you can access here: http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods An html version is here, though not formatted nicely: http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods.html It is interesting that a Quicktime file produced from Cinelerra using ANY of these compression scheme will NOT play properly in Mplayer/Xine. However, a good number of them do play well in Cinelerra. Here is the list of QT container compression schemes compatible with Cinelerra: MPEG-4 JPEG Photo Motion JPEG-A PNG Alpha YUVPlanar Uncompressed RGBA Component Y'CbCr 10-bit 4:4:4 Three compression schemes actually crashed Cinelerra: Component Y'CbCr 8-bit 4:2:2 (yuv2) Component Y'CbCr 8-bit 4:2:2 (2vuy) Microsoft MPEG-4 The other formats are NOT compatible with Cinelerra. I tested all my output files with Mplayer (version 1.0pre7-4.0.2) but only occasionally tested with Xine, as the first six or so results I got with Mplayer were always confirmed by Xine. Since the spreadsheet is sortable, you can tweak it to your liking. scott ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
I will check Kino (though I haven't used it before!). Also, this will be a good chance for me to utilize Batch Render! Never done that before.. :) -- Original message -- From: "Herman Robak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:01:05 +0200, Scott C. Frase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Sorry guys..been out of touch with hardware problems. > > > > I will go ahead and crop my vid to the appropriate DV size (720x576) and > > render using DV compression. I don't think this invalidates the rest of > > my tests, but maybe I should find out by testing with DV resolution > > output. > > Scaling instead of cropping would yield more comparable results. > > Scaling 1280x720 to 720x576 with 16:9 as the project aspect ratio would > be interesting, to look out for scaling and interpolation artifacts. > I am also interested in whether Cinelerra inserts information about the > aspect ratio in the file header, and which players understand that; > check if Kino does. > > -- > Herman Robak > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:01:05 +0200, Scott C. Frase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry guys..been out of touch with hardware problems. I will go ahead and crop my vid to the appropriate DV size (720x576) and render using DV compression. I don't think this invalidates the rest of my tests, but maybe I should find out by testing with DV resolution output. Scaling instead of cropping would yield more comparable results. Scaling 1280x720 to 720x576 with 16:9 as the project aspect ratio would be interesting, to look out for scaling and interpolation artifacts. I am also interested in whether Cinelerra inserts information about the aspect ratio in the file header, and which players understand that; check if Kino does. -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
Sorry guys..been out of touch with hardware problems. I will go ahead and crop my vid to the appropriate DV size (720x576) and render using DV compression. I don't think this invalidates the rest of my tests, but maybe I should find out by testing with DV resolution output. It will be interesting to see if the other players and Cinelerra perform differently trying to play a DV size video versus my original HDV content. Let u know how it goes.. scott On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 23:57 +0200, Herman Robak wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:40:07 +0200, Kevin Brosius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Oh, I just realized, you said your source was HDV? What's the frame > > size? I recall someone (I think Herman) telling me that DV is limited > > to a smaller frame size, so if the only working combination is QT/DV, > > and your source is HDV, then you have no options for MPlayer > > compatibility... Ugh. :) > > Ogg/Theora works. AVI/MPEG4 rendered by Cinelerra _might_ work. > > I think Cinelerra should have HDV-compatible MPEG2 as an output > option. And MPEG4 in an mp4 container, too. > ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 23:40:07 +0200, Kevin Brosius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, I just realized, you said your source was HDV? What's the frame size? I recall someone (I think Herman) telling me that DV is limited to a smaller frame size, so if the only working combination is QT/DV, and your source is HDV, then you have no options for MPlayer compatibility... Ugh. :) Ogg/Theora works. AVI/MPEG4 rendered by Cinelerra _might_ work. I think Cinelerra should have HDV-compatible MPEG2 as an output option. And MPEG4 in an mp4 container, too. -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
Oh, I just realized, you said your source was HDV? What's the frame size? I recall someone (I think Herman) telling me that DV is limited to a smaller frame size, so if the only working combination is QT/DV, and your source is HDV, then you have no options for MPlayer compatibility... Ugh. :) Kevin On 2006-09-18 02:48, Scott C. Frase wrote: > Kevin, > Good point. It didn't occur to me that I left DV out because I have an > HDV camera and so I didn't even TRY the DV option! That's a big "duh" > on my part. A while back, I had produced a guide for beginners on how > to get usable content out of Cinelerra for a variety of purposes: > ( http://content.serveftp.net/video/renderTest/guideToCinExport.html ) > > But in keeping with the beginner nature of that doc, I did not give an > exhaustive list of all the Quicktime compression schemes available. I > felt that maybe it was time to make one. > > Yours is a good idea. I will test out and add the DV compression scheme > results. > > sorry for the omission, > scott > > On Sun, 2006-09-17 at 20:30 -0400, Kevin Brosius wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:40:09 +0200, Scott C. Frase wrote: > > > It is interesting that a Quicktime file produced from Cinelerra using > > > ANY of these compression scheme will NOT play properly in Mplayer/Xine. > > > However, a good number of them do play well in Cinelerra. Here is the > > > list of QT container compression schemes compatible with Cinelerra: > > > > > > MPEG-4 > > > JPEG Photo > > > Motion JPEG-A > > > PNG Alpha > > > YUVPlanar > > > Uncompressed RGBA > > > Component Y'CbCr 10-bit 4:4:4 > > > > Nice work. :) Did you not try DV? > > > > If anyone asks what is the best working format in Cinelerra, my answer > > for a while has been: > > QT/DV/Twos (Quicktime package, DV video codec, Twos complement audio) > > > > This also plays in MPlayer on my machine. > > > > Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your message. Is it that DV is the only > > one (or one of a couple) that play in MPlayer and none of the others do? > > ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:30:05 +0200, Kevin Brosius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If anyone asks what is the best working format in Cinelerra, my answer for a while has been: QT/DV/Twos (Quicktime package, DV video codec, Twos complement audio) This also plays in MPlayer on my machine. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your message. Is it that DV is the only one (or one of a couple) that play in MPlayer and none of the others do? I think that is the message, yes. And it is a really important one! Cinelerra offers a dozen of output formats, and apparently only DV is any good to the user. This is a big timesink to many users, and they keep asking us about it. We need to fix this, and make sure it remains fixed. -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
Kevin, Good point. It didn't occur to me that I left DV out because I have an HDV camera and so I didn't even TRY the DV option! That's a big "duh" on my part. A while back, I had produced a guide for beginners on how to get usable content out of Cinelerra for a variety of purposes: ( http://content.serveftp.net/video/renderTest/guideToCinExport.html ) But in keeping with the beginner nature of that doc, I did not give an exhaustive list of all the Quicktime compression schemes available. I felt that maybe it was time to make one. Yours is a good idea. I will test out and add the DV compression scheme results. sorry for the omission, scott On Sun, 2006-09-17 at 20:30 -0400, Kevin Brosius wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:40:09 +0200, Scott C. Frase wrote: > > It is interesting that a Quicktime file produced from Cinelerra using > > ANY of these compression scheme will NOT play properly in Mplayer/Xine. > > However, a good number of them do play well in Cinelerra. Here is the > > list of QT container compression schemes compatible with Cinelerra: > > > > MPEG-4 > > JPEG Photo > > Motion JPEG-A > > PNG Alpha > > YUVPlanar > > Uncompressed RGBA > > Component Y'CbCr 10-bit 4:4:4 > > Nice work. :) Did you not try DV? > > If anyone asks what is the best working format in Cinelerra, my answer > for a while has been: > QT/DV/Twos (Quicktime package, DV video codec, Twos complement audio) > > This also plays in MPlayer on my machine. > > Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your message. Is it that DV is the only > one (or one of a couple) that play in MPlayer and none of the others do? > ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:40:09 +0200, Scott C. Frase wrote: > It is interesting that a Quicktime file produced from Cinelerra using > ANY of these compression scheme will NOT play properly in Mplayer/Xine. > However, a good number of them do play well in Cinelerra. Here is the > list of QT container compression schemes compatible with Cinelerra: > > MPEG-4 > JPEG Photo > Motion JPEG-A > PNG Alpha > YUVPlanar > Uncompressed RGBA > Component Y'CbCr 10-bit 4:4:4 Nice work. :) Did you not try DV? If anyone asks what is the best working format in Cinelerra, my answer for a while has been: QT/DV/Twos (Quicktime package, DV video codec, Twos complement audio) This also plays in MPlayer on my machine. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your message. Is it that DV is the only one (or one of a couple) that play in MPlayer and none of the others do? -- Kevin ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:40:09 +0200, Scott C. Frase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Guys, As I am starting a new project with the latest 2.1CV merge, I thought it might help to know which compression schemes used with the Quicktime for Linux format would be suitable to either view in Mplayer/Xine or use to transfer video within Cinelerra. As I was going through the exercise, I thought that other people on the list could use this information as well. So here is a spreadsheet detailing which QT compression schemes work in Mplayer and Cinelerra and which don't. The testing was done over a few hours today, and I've created an OpenOffice spreadsheet that you can access here: http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods An html version is here, though not formatted nicely: http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods.html Excellent work! Are you filing corresponding bug reports, too? Some of the bugs may be Mplayer's, though. -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCVS] Compatibility of Quicktime for Linux Compression Schemes
Guys, As I am starting a new project with the latest 2.1CV merge, I thought it might help to know which compression schemes used with the Quicktime for Linux format would be suitable to either view in Mplayer/Xine or use to transfer video within Cinelerra. As I was going through the exercise, I thought that other people on the list could use this information as well. So here is a spreadsheet detailing which QT compression schemes work in Mplayer and Cinelerra and which don't. The testing was done over a few hours today, and I've created an OpenOffice spreadsheet that you can access here: http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods An html version is here, though not formatted nicely: http://content.serveftp.net/video/qtcompatibility.ods.html It is interesting that a Quicktime file produced from Cinelerra using ANY of these compression scheme will NOT play properly in Mplayer/Xine. However, a good number of them do play well in Cinelerra. Here is the list of QT container compression schemes compatible with Cinelerra: MPEG-4 JPEG Photo Motion JPEG-A PNG Alpha YUVPlanar Uncompressed RGBA Component Y'CbCr 10-bit 4:4:4 Three compression schemes actually crashed Cinelerra: Component Y'CbCr 8-bit 4:2:2 (yuv2) Component Y'CbCr 8-bit 4:2:2 (2vuy) Microsoft MPEG-4 The other formats are NOT compatible with Cinelerra. I tested all my output files with Mplayer (version 1.0pre7-4.0.2) but only occasionally tested with Xine, as the first six or so results I got with Mplayer were always confirmed by Xine. Since the spreadsheet is sortable, you can tweak it to your liking. scott ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
