Re: [CinCV] Save back by mistake
well, doug, there's no many things i can add Well, i have to say that trust totally backup.xml still happens to me, when i start quick works at night, mostly, and forget to put a name to the project. anyway...never, trust me, re-make the movie is as long as to make the movie. I remember, in the past, i was able to undone savebackup, but that is done ;) vale On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 00:25:06 +0200 Ichthyostega == Ichthyostega wrote: Ichthyostega yeah, I do the same, either Subversion or Git Ichthyostega But I must admit that I'm a developer and using revision Ichthyostega control every day. Regularly, I find it's even difficult Ichthyostega for junior developers to learn using such a system, Ichthyostega especially the distributed ones. Well, many years ago I was working on a book using OS/2 Lotus' Word Pro and the next day I was not able to open the work from the previous day. I finally managed to save tehe work by using some 3rd party converter, but since then I said to myself: Never again working with binary format! From that day on I use revision control for all my writings (*.lyx, *.latex, *.reST, *.md etc.), so I recommend (D)VCS for ANY kind of writing not just Cinelerra's project and/or code. Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Hlapicina, Croatia | GPG key: F96FF5F6 This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Save back by mistake
Vale, When I realized what I had done I felt like my guts had fallen out. As soon Is I got started again it was just history. The new video is better arranged and I am sure will be better for having been started over. Maybe considering what I have learned and the possibility of a better finished product my minor disaster may well have been a major blessing.Doug On 06/08/2010 11:19 AM, Valentina Messeri wrote: well, doug, there's no many things i can add Well, i have to say that trust totally backup.xml still happens to me, when i start quick works at night, mostly, and forget to put a name to the project. anyway...never, trust me, re-make the movie is as long as to make the movie. I remember, in the past, i was able to undone savebackup, but that is done ;) vale On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 00:25:06 +0200 Ichthyostega == Ichthyostega wrote: Ichthyostega yeah, I do the same, either Subversion or Git Ichthyostega But I must admit that I'm a developer and using revision Ichthyostega control every day. Regularly, I find it's even difficult Ichthyostega for junior developers to learn using such a system, Ichthyostega especially the distributed ones. Well, many years ago I was working on a book using OS/2 Lotus' Word Pro and the next day I was not able to open the work from the previous day. I finally managed to save tehe work by using some 3rd party converter, but since then I said to myself: Never again working with binary format! From that day on I use revision control for all my writings (*.lyx, *.latex, *.reST, *.md etc.), so I recommend (D)VCS for ANY kind of writing not just Cinelerra's project and/or code. Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Hlapicina, Croatia | GPG key: F96FF5F6 This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Save back by mistake
Gour, Version control for Cinelerra projects? Nice..you're the man!! However, I opt for the dummies method every ten minutes or so: newVideoProject1.xml newVideoProject2.xml newVideoProject3.xml newVideoProject4.xml ..etc scott http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 18:09 +0200, Gour wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:45:19 -0400 Douglas == Douglas Pollard wrote: Hello Douglas, Douglas I have been saving a lot during the production and Douglas editing. I was also hit once by Cinelerra crash and not being able to open the last session. From that time on, I keep py *.xml project time under revision control and whenever I hit some 'milestone' in my project, I regularly commit tag changes. (I use darcs, but any VCS can do.) Sincerely, Gour ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Save back by mistake
AW Man :-[ ! I can't believe it. This is really embarrassing. :-[ It was there all the time. I had saved it but was trying to load it using load files. The saved file was listed just below Save back up, in the menu. One single click and there it was wide open and for all to see.. I feel like crying! Doug On 06/05/2010 10:50 AM, Scott C. Frase wrote: Gour, Version control for Cinelerra projects? Nice..you're the man!! However, I opt for the dummies method every ten minutes or so: newVideoProject1.xml newVideoProject2.xml newVideoProject3.xml newVideoProject4.xml ..etc scott http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 18:09 +0200, Gour wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:45:19 -0400 Douglas == Douglas Pollard wrote: Hello Douglas, Douglas I have been saving a lot during the production and Douglas editing. I was also hit once by Cinelerra crash and not being able to open the last session. From that time on, I keep py *.xml project time under revision control and whenever I hit some 'milestone' in my project, I regularly commit tag changes. (I use darcs, but any VCS can do.) Sincerely, Gour ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Save back by mistake
Gour schrieb: I was also hit once by Cinelerra crash and not being able to open the last session. From that time on, I keep py *.xml project time under revision control and whenever I hit some 'milestone' in my project, I regularly commit tag changes. (I use darcs, but any VCS can do.) yeah, I do the same, either Subversion or Git But I must admit that I'm a developer and using revision control every day. Regularly, I find it's even difficult for junior developers to learn using such a system, especially the distributed ones. Thus, to start with, I'd just recommend to everyone to copy the session.xml file and to get accustomed to the habit of doing such manual copies frequently. Also, learning this might help a with understanding the difference between a session file and the raw media files (i.e. the idea of non-destructive editing); this is really difficult to get at start, even if it may look self-evident to an experienced Cinelerra user. :) Cheers, Hermann ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Save back by mistake
On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 00:25:06 +0200 Ichthyostega == Ichthyostega wrote: Ichthyostega yeah, I do the same, either Subversion or Git Ichthyostega But I must admit that I'm a developer and using revision Ichthyostega control every day. Regularly, I find it's even difficult Ichthyostega for junior developers to learn using such a system, Ichthyostega especially the distributed ones. Well, many years ago I was working on a book using OS/2 Lotus' Word Pro and the next day I was not able to open the work from the previous day. I finally managed to save tehe work by using some 3rd party converter, but since then I said to myself: Never again working with binary format! From that day on I use revision control for all my writings (*.lyx, *.latex, *.reST, *.md etc.), so I recommend (D)VCS for ANY kind of writing not just Cinelerra's project and/or code. Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Hlapicina, Croatia | GPG key: F96FF5F6 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [CinCV] Save back by mistake
On Freitag, 4. Juni 2010, Douglas Pollard wrote: Ok, I saved files using save as and save. I have a file there by the name I gave it when saving in save as. I imported it to Cinelerra using Load files and the files all opened in the resources widow. This was after trying to use load back up after starting Cinelerra this morning. There are no files on the time line and no video. I am guessing that the backup contains all the decisions that were made to put the video together and if that's so without those decisions Cinelerra cannot rebuild the video even though it has the video and audio files.. I think the problem I may have is that the back up was covered with a back up of nothing no video? If that is the case how can I get into the back up file I made yesterdayand how can I use it to build the video. I assume that when the video is rendered the back up file and the saved video file are put together to make a movie. My whole thinking on this may be totally wrong. Hermann has summarized quite well what could have gone wrong and under which circumstances there's a chance to salvage some of your work. Let me stress one thing one more time: Save backup and Load backup ARE NOT MEANT TO SAVE YOUR PROJECT. Use Save and Save as regularly. Load backup is really only meant to be used after Cinelerra crashed (and I see no use for Save backup). -- Hannes ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Save back by mistake
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:45:19 -0400 Douglas == Douglas Pollard wrote: Hello Douglas, Douglas I have been saving a lot during the production and Douglas editing. I was also hit once by Cinelerra crash and not being able to open the last session. From that time on, I keep py *.xml project time under revision control and whenever I hit some 'milestone' in my project, I regularly commit tag changes. (I use darcs, but any VCS can do.) Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Hlapicina, Croatia | GPG key: F96FF5F6 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [CinCV] Save back by mistake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Douglas Pollard schrieb: Well got up about 4am, couldn't sleep. Started my computer and then Cinelerra. It came up and then I screwed up, I clicked save backup. Then I clicked Load back up. I guess it had been written over by the back up with another back up of a blank time line. Hi Doug, unfortunately Cinelerra acts quite dumb regarding to this backup function. This is supposed rather to work like a last safety net when the application crashes and you hadn't saved your session beforehand for a longer period of time. Basically, when you select save backup it writes your session into .bcast/backup.xml You rarely need to do this manually, because Cinelerra does this automatically very often, thus this file should always contain a relatively recent state of your work. But unfortunately, according to your description, you 1) screwed up 2) wrote that screwed up state into .bcast/backup.xml (by selecting save backup) 3) load backup now just loads back this screwed up state into your sesison. Now the chances if we're able to rescue anything of your work depend on some very specific circumstances: - - do you back up your real session.xml manually from time to time? (guess no) - - did you save your session after you screwed up and before you saved/loaded backup? or did you save your session after loading the backup? or didn't you save at all? The last question determines if there is a non-screwed up version of your session left anywhere, or not. If you *did* save *after* screwing up, you overwrote the last non-corrupted state with the current corrupted state. If moreover you don't have any manual backup, then actually all you have now is the corrupted state of the session. If you did *not* save after screwing up, then the original session.xml should still contain the (hopefully not corrupted) state at the time you did the last session save (Menu filesave or press ctrl-s) I loaded the file for my video and it put the video files back into resourses. But it was not on the timeline so I have resourses but no video. This might indicate two different situations (a) Cinelerra already lost the actual edit (contents of the timeline) when you screwed up (b) Your edit (contents of the timeline) contained in the backup is somewhat corrupted, so Cinelerra discarded information on load-back in order to rescue what it was still able to interpret. Again, what this means for your chances of a recovery largely depends on what you did *after* loading the corrupted state back (load backup) - - if you did *not* save it again, than the backup might even contain more information, which Cinelerra isn't able to interpret, but which we might be able to repair manually - - but if you *did* save it over the normal session or the backup, then you really saved an empty timeline and thus overwrote any information which might still have been there. I had several years ago used Adobie Premeir and In a situation like this I went to the Premeir files and loaded a file of the movi and there it was on the timeline. I'm guessing they may have been rendered while saving? Do I need to render my work every time I get ready to stop working for the day? Obviously you can do so and this would at least leave you with a render of your work (but without the possibility to change anything). But what is much more important: you should manually copy your session.xml file at that point somewhere as a backup. Include the date in the name! Only the session.xml (no need to copy media files, as Cinelerra never modifies your source media files) This definitively is a practice I'd recommend, as this would leave you with a snapshot of your work every day. All this seems to go right over my head. I am wondering if anyone knows of a tutorial covering this specific problem. If not and if I ever figure this out I likely ought to write one and post it online someplace. I can't be the dumbest person trying to use Cinelerra and maybe I can help some dumber than me one? In the meantime please help :-( I can understand how you feel, after maybe having lost quite some work. Certainly you're not the dumb person here, but rather Cinelerra should handle these fundamental security matters a little bit more intelligently. Anyway, the good news, when compared with Premiere, is that Cinelerra saves the session state, i.e. all the edits and tweaks you did in the course of your work, into a text based session file Above, I sloppily called this file session.xml. But actually it bears the name you gave the session when you created it and saved it the first time. Just the extension xml is fixed. Also, the backup, which is always ~/.bcast/backup.xml, is stored in the same, text-based format. You could open these files with any plain text editor (gedit on gnome, kate, mouse pad or whatever), look into them and maybe repair things. Also, if you think there is one of
