Tonight's Homily - Studying, Writing, and Teamwork [7:51886]
Slightly different points for tonight's closing thoughts. I'm hard at work writing a study guide for one of those places that sells certification training materials. As I work, I find myself thinking about all those training materials, all those study guides, all those books out there. As critical as I have been about many of them, I have to take my hat off to those who have actually written white papers, study guides, books. Now that the pen is in the other hand, so to speak, I find I have to admire those folks. It's hard work to write study guides. It's hard work to write responses to RFP's and customer project proposals. It's hard work to write even bad books and papers, let alone good ones. It is an interesting form of study. I must keep returning to the equipment, keep verifying what I am writing. As I learn new information I must validate it, booth in the writing and on the command line. As I work, I become familiar with the equipment. I am internalizing the commands. I am making ready for the next trip to the Lab. I am quite fortunate in that I am partnered with someone who is great to work with. She questions things, chides me to clarify, pushes me to be better, demands that I take control of this project. She is an author in her own right, so I accept the advice, consider the words, rethink what I am doing, rewrite or accept, based on the advice and the rethinking I am doing. With any luck we will still get this thing out in a timely manner. I am also quite fortunate in that I have the good example of some folks here on this list who have written good work, and whose advice is timeless. I think it was Kent Hundley who said in his excellent book Cisco Access Lists Field Guide that writing is a team effort. I am now learning that first hand. I believe it was Priscilla Oppenheimer who said that the most important thing one can do is to re-read everything, and re-write as necessary. I am finding first hand the truth of these statements. So tonight's final word is a hearty and sincere congratulations to all who have written, be they good, bad, indifferent. You have done well. I commend you for that. Keep plugging away, all of you seeking certifications. You can do it. Still waters. Green valleys. A gentle breeze on a late summer day. Goodnight. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51886t=51886 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICND and DCN Power point Cisco presentation [7:51887]
Hello all I am looking for the ICND and DCN Cisco power point presentation. I have other Cisco Presentation if someone wants to exchange. Thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51887t=51887 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Traceroute IP displays twice (previous post by [7:51823]
Hello If R1 send a frame with the DE bit set and router acting as frame-relay switch is really working as a switch frame-relay, it only changes the dlci number ( if needed ) and forward the frame to the output interface, it must keep DE, BECN and FECN bit as arrived, in this case the frame going out from the switch must have the DE bit set. If, as I'm afraid, router acting as frame-relay switch in not working as switch, it must read the packet at level three and forward the packet to the output interface creating a totally new frame without considering the original frame ( at level 2 ), so DE bit is not set because router is not configured for that. Normally, this type of forwarding is done using policy-routing, but don't forget that policy-routing also decrement TTL and don't forward a packet if arrive with TTL 1. This must be a explanation to why you see three hops in traceroute, but if this is true the router acting fr-switch has the same ip address that R3..Who provide the ip addresses for the exercise? If they are invented by you, my theory is not valid. In another case it could be a trick of the person who created the exercise. Finally, you can see if the frame arrived with the DE bit set with show frame-relay pvc. Rafa -Mensaje original- De: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: miircoles 21 de agosto de 2002 19:40 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: RE: Traceroute IP displays twice (previous post by [7:51823] Thanks for the ideas. I did try some of those things. I didn't know that you could tell if a device was a Frame Relay switch or router based on whether it sets the DE bit, though? And how would I know if the frame arrived with the DE bit set?? This was on a virtual lab. I didn't have access to the FR switch. I agree with you that it was acting funny. If I have time I'll go back and do some more testing, but I can't promise that I will have time. Thank-you very much for your inteest in the problem and your suggestions, though. Priscila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Priscilla Can you put debug ip icmp in both R1 and R3 routers? or better debug ip packet detail. This is for checking if R3 is really sending six icmp ttl exceeded when traceroute is executed. Also, you can use ping with record option set instead traceroute to see the path. I'm suspecting that frame-relay switch is not configured with frame-relay switching, but this introduce several issues about ospf. Can you check with show ip ospf database that you have only three routers.? Also you can check if frame-relay switch router is really working as a switch frame-relay sending traffic from R1 marked with DE. If this arrive to R3 without DE mean that frame-relay switch is really routing ip traffic instead of switching frames. The same test must be done between R2 and R3 Another test should be send pings from 172.16.1.1 to 172.16.2.2 with ttl set to 1, 2 and 3. Debug ip packet detail in all routers must help you to identified what is wrong Is cdp active ? If yes, can you check neighbours of R3? You must see only R1 and R3 is router acting as fr-switch is working properly. Please, could you update me with result of this issue ? I'm very interesting whit it. Regards Rafa -Mensaje original- De: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: lunes 19 de agosto de 2002 20:27 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: RE: Traceroute IP displays twice (previous post by Pri [7:51633] Hi Mark, etc. I never got a satisfactory explanation for my results with Trace Route. In my case, a particular router was claiming to be the first hop and the second hop. That's different from what we're seeing in the current question, where two different routers are claiming to be the first hop (due to load balancing). Here are the syptoms: r1#trace 172.16.2.2 Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to 172.16.2.2 1 172.16.1.3 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec 2 172.16.1.3 12 msec 8 msec 8 msec 3 172.16.2.2 24 msec 20 msec 20 msec It's a frame-relay hub-and-spoke topology. I'm on one spoke trying to trace to another spoke through the hub. The trace succeeds. The network is working, but what's with the router replying twice? (It happens if I go the other way too.) The hub router is 172.16.1.3. Why is it sending back the dest unreachable twice? The topology is: R1--R3-R2 Here are my configs: r1 ip subnet-zero no ip icmp rate-limit unreachable ! interface Loopback0 ip address 192.168.255.1 255.255.255.255 ! interface Ethernet0/0 description to Cat 5K 3/1 ip address 10.10.1.1 255.255.255.0 half-duplex ! interface TokenRing0/0 description in ring 1 ip address 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 ring-speed 16 ! interface Serial1/0 ip address 172.16.1.1 255.255.255.0 encapsulation frame-relay ip ospf network point-to-point frame-relay
Failed at my 2 attemp [7:51889]
Hi groups,i have failed my lab again in 2 attemp, the rs part is ok but other stuff like dlsw,ipx,voice,atm,bgp killing me cause dont have enough practice and experience in those area , i will get back on the lab pretty soon and if you guys have any advice for me or anyone in the same boats let me know , i always welcome a study partner anyway . [EMAIL PROTECTED] regards Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51889t=51889 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco Product CD [7:51890]
I am having trouble getting the product CD to run on XP Pro. I remember someone saying that there was registry fix you had to perform to get it to run on 2000/XP with IE but can't remember what it was. Any help would be appreciated. Steve Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51890t=51890 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4908G switching solution [7:51891]
I will be considering this for a small company switching solution. Does anyone see any problems with it.? -4908G-L3 for backbone (I can route between vlans; works with IP and IPX) -2950G-48 for one for main floor -2950G-24 for each of the other five floors -WS-5484 GBICs for each end of fiber (12 total) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51891t=51891 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Failed at my 2 attemp [7:51889]
Not to sound too harsh, but if you have problems with dlsw+,ipx,voice,bgp and atm... then you have a big problem. The good news is that you have identified your areas of weakness.. For dlsw+, get the book by Tam Nam Kee...for BGP make sure you read thru Halabi's book a few times (concentrate on the last few chapters) and of course download TrafficGen at www.nantech.com/software . As for the atm and voice, you may have to rent time on an online lab and just practise..remember that's cheaper than the $1250 you pay for each lab attempt... --- ccie ccielab wrote: Hi groups,i have failed my lab again in 2 attemp, the rs part is ok but other stuff like dlsw,ipx,voice,atm,bgp killing me cause dont have enough practice and experience in those area = Nnanna Obuba ,CCIE # 6586 Nantech Inc , 201 390 4795 www.nantech.com/software Become a BGP Guru for just $75!!! __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51892t=51889 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TTL decrement [7:51860]
Chuck, maybe I should get away from the coffee machine then :) That was just a topic that was brought up in another Cisco newsgroup that I sign, and I tought I've read it somewhere but couldn't remember how was it done... anyway, thanks for the help :) Persio - Original Message - From: Chuck's Long Road To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:12 PM Subject: Re: TTL decrement [7:51860] Well, according to RFC, TTL decrement is 1 and that's the law. it doesn't mean some bad boys out there do things to make TTL adjustments possible. I checked the obvious suspect - route-map set statements - and did not find anything. I quickly looked elsewhere in the global config did not reveal anything that hit me over the head. That said, the only place I know for sure where a TTL can be adjusted manually is in the use of the ebgp multiphop command, which changes the TTL from 1 to whatever you want. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Microsoft or Linux routing implementations would permit this. Microsoft because they believe they should be able to do whatever they want, and Linux because the open source community just likes to play with the knobs. :- I would suggest that screwing with TTL's is not the best way to manage things. Why would you want to, anyway? Persio Pucci wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Folks, I remember reading somewhere that you can change the amount of units that a router can decrement on the TTL of a received packet, but I can't remember where I read it and what is the command... or maybe I am just nuts :) Does anybody knows it? Regards, Persio Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51893t=51860 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Failed at my 2 attemp [7:51889]
Maybe you should wait then until after November, when they are going to drop IPX and TR stuff... (that's what I'll do), but don't forget that DLSW+ is still valid with Ethernet (it should be easier, though)... in the meanwhile, practice BGP like hell... voice and atm you really should get a rack but only after you figured it out on the books, so you won't waste your time... By the way, once they are droping a few things next November, does anybody knows what will replace those things by that time? Regards, Persio - Original Message - From: ccie ccielab To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:58 AM Subject: Failed at my 2 attemp [7:51889] Hi groups,i have failed my lab again in 2 attemp, the rs part is ok but other stuff like dlsw,ipx,voice,atm,bgp killing me cause dont have enough practice and experience in those area , i will get back on the lab pretty soon and if you guys have any advice for me or anyone in the same boats let me know , i always welcome a study partner anyway . [EMAIL PROTECTED] regards Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51894t=51889 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: voip [7:51729]
Don't know what RAI is, Steve?? but you can use a gatekeeper or just configure dial peers on your gateway with the same matching digits and different destinations, you can prioritise them too Cheers Pat Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... h.323 can do it with RAI, or you could use SA Agents. THose are your two best options. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. Jake wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Is there a way to tell a router (3810) , which is running voip, to reroute a voip call if the destination router is down. This is how I see it. The call is made from a typical digital phone. The pbx sends the digits to the router. The router processes the digits and sends them to the destination router. What happens if the destination router is down. The PBX does not know if the destination router is down , so it will send the digits to the local router. But, how do I tell the local router to reroute the phone call?? If you need a more info please specify.. Thanks Jake Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51895t=51729 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IS-IS System ID [7:51878]
Dear Elmer, No , If you want to monitor ISIS adjacencies, use this command : SHOW CLNS neighbor or SHOW CLNS NEIGHBOR DETAILED The host ID is SNPA and the traffic is classified with L1L2 or L2L2. The command may be used only in the router connected in the same ethernet of the clns traffic than you monitor. Best Regards, Armando Santana -Original Message- From: cebuano To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22/08/02 00:42 Subject: IS-IS System ID [7:51878] Hi Group, Has the 12.0 modified the output of the System ID to show the hostname instead of the actual 3-octet Hex? Here's a sample of what I see in 12.2. erlin#sh clns is System Id Interface State Type Priority Circuit Id Format Rome Se4 Up L1L2 0 /0 00 Phase V Paris Et0 Up L1L2 64/64 Paris.01 Phase V Amsterdam#sh is data IS-IS Level-1 Link State Database: LSPID LSP Seq Num LSP Checksum LSP Holdtime ATT/P/OL Amsterdam.00-00 * 0x0003 0xCD75647 1/0/0 Amsterdam.03-00 * 0x0001 0x75D50 (632) 0/0/0 Brussels.00-000x0004 0x6B9D639 1/0/0 Brussels.01-000x0001 0x8B68631 0/0/0 IS-IS Level-2 Link State Database: LSPID LSP Seq Num LSP Checksum LSP Holdtime ATT/P/OL Amsterdam.00-00 * 0x0002 0x3913633 0/0/0 Rome.00-000x0002 0x1196617 0/0/0 Rome.01-000x0002 0x2D62628 0/0/0 London.00-00 0x0005 0x9EA1631 0/0/0 Brussels.00-000x0003 0xCFB3624 0/0/0 Brussels.01-000x0002 0x1962634 0/0/0 Paris.00-00 0x000C 0x8D31575 0/0/0 Paris.01-00 0x0003 0x62151189 0/0/0 Berlin.00-00 0x000E 0x1967623 0/0/0 TIA, Elmer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51896t=51878 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco PIX 520 amp; Motorola Surfboard 4100 on Com [7:51884]
I have been having a recurring problem in the past 2 weeks (usually daily) which is solved by power cycling my Motorola Surfboard 4100 cable modem. I'm using a PIX 520 firewall with the attached config. When the problem occurs, the cable modem's LED's appear normal. And Comcast is able to ping the cable modem's management address, but they don't have the skills to do further testing (and won't escalate it to a more technical person). The ethernet side of the cable modem appears to hang. The pix shows the connection is still up and I have link lights, but it stops passing traffic. When I power cycle the modem, the problem clears instantly. Comcast blames Motorola, Motorola blames Comcast, and when I tell them I have a PIX, they both blame Cisco. I don't beleive the problem to be related to my PIX, but I figured I'd see if anyone on this list has had a similar problem. In the meantime, I am running w/o the PIX just to narrow down the possibilities. Please help if you can. Thanks, Mike __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com PIX Version 6.1(3) nameif ethernet0 outside security0 nameif ethernet1 inside security100 nameif ethernet2 intf2 security10 enable password encrypted passwd encrypted hostname pixfirewall fixup protocol ftp 21 fixup protocol http 80 fixup protocol h323 1720 fixup protocol rsh 514 fixup protocol rtsp 554 fixup protocol smtp 25 fixup protocol sqlnet 1521 fixup protocol sip 5060 fixup protocol skinny 2000 names access-list 101 permit tcp any any eq access-list 101 permit tcp any any eq access-list 101 permit tcp any any eq access-list 101 permit tcp any any eq pager lines 24 logging on logging buffered debugging interface ethernet0 100full interface ethernet1 10baset interface ethernet2 auto shutdown mtu outside 1500 mtu inside 1500 mtu intf2 1500 ip address outside dhcp setroute ip address inside 172.16.0.1 255.255.255.0 ip address intf2 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 ip audit info action alarm ip audit attack action alarm no failover failover timeout 0:00:00 failover poll 15 failover ip address outside 0.0.0.0 failover ip address inside 0.0.0.0 failover ip address intf2 0.0.0.0 pdm history enable arp timeout 14400 global (outside) 1 interface nat (inside) 1 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0 0 static (inside,outside) tcp interface 172.16.0.2 telnet netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 static (inside,outside) tcp interface 172.16.0.254 ftp netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 static (inside,outside) tcp interface 172.16.0.254 59 netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 static (inside,outside) tcp interface 172.16.0.254 ident netmask 255.255.255.255 0 0 access-group 101 in interface outside timeout xlate 3:00:00 timeout conn 1:00:00 half-closed 0:10:00 udp 0:02:00 rpc 0:10:00 h323 0:05:00 sip 0:30:00 sip_media 0:02:00 timeout uauth 0:05:00 absolute aaa-server TACACS+ protocol tacacs+ aaa-server RADIUS protocol radius no snmp-server location no snmp-server contact snmp-server community public no snmp-server enable traps floodguard enable no sysopt route dnat telnet timeout 5 ssh timeout 5 terminal width 80 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51884t=51884 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Microsoft ISIS? [7:51897]
Of course, in their case, it would have to be ISNT-ISNT. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51897t=51897 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: IS-IS White Paper [7:51767]
Shankar put out his standard IS-IS presentation @ networkers '01. I think there's a copy of it on the NANOG site as well (it might be updated too) watch the wrap: http://www.cisco.com/networkers/nw01/pres/preso/RoutingandSwitchingTechnolog ies/RST-208.pdf As far as sample labs for IS-IS, no, I haven't really looked out there for any sample labs. However, I guess if someone was really interested in working some sample IS-IS labs, I could publish some txt's. -Mark -Original Message- From: cebuano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 9:38 PM To: 'Turpin, Mark' Subject: RE: IS-IS White Paper [7:51767] Mark, I can't thank you enough for this whitepaper, as it really cleared up a lot of gray areas after reading Doyle. I have two questions for you: 1. Is there a part 2 that has more advanced topics? If so, do you have it? 2. Do you know by chance of sample labs on ISIS available somewhere? TIA, Elmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Turpin, Mark Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: IS-IS White Paper [7:51767] It was I; you can get it at http://gomez.charter.com/~mark There is a link for the ISIS paper at the top. -Mark -Original Message- From: Wes Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: IS-IS White Paper [7:51767] Some time back, someone offered to send the IS-IS white paper out. Would you send it to me, please? Thanks, -- Wes Knight MCT, MCSE, CCNP, CSS1, CNE, ASE, etc. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51898t=51767 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco VPN CLient Windows XP [7:51899]
One of our user having issue on his Windows XP machine after he installed Cisco VPN Client. He can not Switch User in Windows XP. Please let me know if some know this issue, and any possible solution. -- Curious MCSE, CCNP Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51899t=51899 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--Switching $ Remote Access EXAM CCNP-- [7:51900]
Hi Is there anybody who already passed Switching and Remote Access tell me How was the Simulators and mostly at witch categury Simlated questions are . Regards Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51900t=51900 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How to use SNMP to get network utilization of Fast [7:51885]
If i'm reading your situation correctly you should be able to poll all information. I'm not sure if each VLAN has an assigned IP address as in MLS. If so I believe you should be able to poll each IP segment. dovelet wrote: Hi all, I just setup vlan trunk at a fastethernet port of a Cisco 7200 router and it running IOS 12.1. If I have 5 vlan at the fastethernet port, then I create 5 sub-interface at that fastethernet port. Can I use SNMP to get network utilization of each sub-interface (vlan) ? Regards, Dovelet Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51901t=51885 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MLS for 6000 series [7:51871]
Yes it is still L3,L4 switching as long as you have the MSFC you will have no problem. You have to enable MLS on the Sup Engine as well to have this work. Sean Wolfe wrote: Hey folks, 6000 and 6500 switches are IOS based and do MLS, right? Cisco's website says so, but they they say something confusing on their Configuring IP MLS webpage under hardware requirements: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat5000/rel_5_2/layer3/mls.htm and make it sound like only the 2926G and 5000/5500 series do MLS. Is there something significantly different about how the 6x00 series handles MLS? Evidently they use a different software, and different routing hardware, MSFC and PFC instead of the 5x00 NFFC. But it's still L3/L4 switching/MLS, right? Hmmm. . . your experience with these products is appreciated. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51902t=51871 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
