Re: Min router model to run BGP , OSPF , rip , eigrp and igrp [7:26007]
well if what you are going to do is study theses protocols, a single router won't do. If you are thinking of throwing something into production that will do all of this, then this router has an important role, and you should get something with decent memory and performance. (the 1700 won't cut it) The best group of excerices I did to get a work out on routing protocols was to go thru the labs in the CCIE all in one by hutnik. The bad news is, you will need more than just a single router. I remember one of the OSPF labs needing 5. for what it's worth, my 2 cents. ""suaveguru"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > hi all > > anyone has any idea what is the minimum router model I > can buy to do BGP , OSPF, RIP ,EIGRP AND IGRP > > WiLL A 17XX be sufficient? > > regards, > > suaveguru > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=26007&t=26007 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrading one routers IOS with another when connected only via [7:25954]
Is there a way of upgrading one routers IOS with another when connected only via console? A terminal server is connected to the console port of another router with a better ios version. we are wanting to upgrade the ios on the terminal server via that line. Possible? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=25954&t=25954 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ethernet Trivia mostly, Need an EE's answer probably. [7:13199]
We all hear about max cable lengths for Ethernet. But is there a minimum? If the TX pair of one side connects to the RX pair of the other, then collisions, if any, happen at the ingress of the hub or switch in the buffer, or on the buffer of the nic if just using a really short cross over, is this right? I've looked and looked, and haven't been able to get an answer that says "the minimun length of a Category 5 100Base connection is x feet" even the spec seems to be silent on it. What am I missing in my knowledge of physics and electronics? p.s. My foot long patches between hosts and a hub don't seem to cause errors. I'll stick a sniffer in this week and see if I see any. I'm manufacturing these 3 inch patch cables for my test. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=13199&t=13199 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
Well, here is another flame war starting... Here is my $0.03 (yes that's three cents, the $0.02 has been overtaken due to increased costs due to illegal use of $0.02, with people not paying for the licenscing fees) I don't advocate piracy. However I am in bitter opposition of the following: overpricedware spinware Overpriced and spinware fall in the same category, this is the type of software that gets advertised extensively, and is released admist a fair amount of spin. However the software fails to deliver it's advertised hype. Some companies offer money-back guarantee's on software that fails to deliver and fulfill the need expected by the consumer. The vast majority however DO NOT. If a company wants to charge another company $15,000 to provide a service, and the service provider fails to provide the service expected, the purchasing company can usually hold the provider in court on charges of amoung other things, fraud, misrepresentation, and unethical business practices. All penalties which usually recover the expense of the hiring provider plus legal fees. This however does not exist for software. You can go out and purchase some $15,000 piece of software with no money back gaurantee. And no reasonable time to discover if on the long run, the software will suffice the need. Under these instances, if the software house is unwilling to provide a trial copy, it's obvious that a consumer is left with overwheliming pressure to pirate the software, and see if it will work, and if does, pay the software maker for it's efforts. Now, let's take it down to the $150.00 level. The kind of level that mainstream consumer software lives at. I still disagree that this software should have a no return policy. And that piracy geared torwards evaluating the software without committment to purchase the software first will continue to happen, and I would say at vigor. And I personally understand it, however I contend that if a user derives benefit directly or indirectly from the continued use of the software, that they should buy a licensed copy and reward the maker for their efforts. That the courts would say that you might have copied the software, and that justifies the software maker's actions, means that you are being proven guilty of the crime of theft without evidence or cause to pass down that judgement, and violates the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. Next time you buy a piece of junk software admist a bunch or marketting hype at a local retailer, try to return it. Watch them tell you that you can't due to the fact that you might have copied it. The sad thing is that most of us comply with this gross infrigment of our constitutional rights and say "oh ok". Consumers must quit taking this as the norm. Again, I don't advocate piracy. However I would encourage evaluation of software when there is no other way to determine if the licensing cost is worth the investment, and that after a period of time, that the user either completly remove the software or pay for it. I had a friend once that sued a retailer on their no - return policy and had them settle before it ever went to court. not a big settlement, but in my opinion, an indication that the retailers KNOW it's wrong. In this light, even though I disagree with continued illegal use of pirated software when the software is providing a benefit, and the countries who support it, it is my steadfast conclusion at this time that it has a place in our society, until the rules are changed to restore constitutional rights to the citizens of our country. ""Tom Lisa"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > No matter how you slice it, it is still piracy. When you steal, yes steal, > from one > person/company/institution/etc it matters not what you do with it afterwards > (the Robin Hood complex), the original owner has still suffered a loss. > > However, since you appear to reside in Hong Kong, I am not surprised at your > attitude. Hong Kong has long been a source of pirated software and other > copywrited material. > > To answer the original poster's question: You cannot install it on two > machines at > once. The CD comes with an installation diskette that tracks the installs. > You can > however, uninstall it from one machine and then install it on another. BTW, > I understand that Ver 3.0 is much better than the previous versions, with the > previously unavailable ability to change the topology of the network. > > HTH, > Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI > Community College of Southern Nevada > Cisco Regional Networking Academy > > > PHIMHONGKONG wrote: > > > contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim + ccno > > sim > > i can burn you one > > :-d > > i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-) > > > > poeple please dont say i am pirater > > > > wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hi to all, > > > For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0.
Re: I Need an Advise [7:11294]
my 0.02 Get another degree in business, couple that with your 20 years in the navy, and you have an excellent sell for management in an IT company, especially large ones. You'll make more money than you would be messing with routers. Or be a project manager to start out, have the glut of certified people working for you. There are alot of certified people running around these days with all the lay offs. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi. After 20 years in the U.S. Navy, I'm changing career to IT. I just > finished my BS in Information Technology. Which do you think is better: > 1)pursue a Master's Degree in IT, or 2) to study for CCNA and MCSE at > Community College. The Navy is willing to spend money for scholarship for > these; it's just a matter of (my) choice. And I have to use this before I > retire in 20 months. I need an advise from you folks. > > Thanks, > Val Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11327&t=11294 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which companys are good for CCIE? Seeking a job! [7:11284]
I would like to know more information about working at jupiter. ""Tom York"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hello everyone! > I am a graduate student in UT Dallas majoring in Computer Science. I passed > CCIE written exam, and I bought many routers to prepare for the lab exam. > > I will graduate the end of this year, so I start looking for a job. My > question is, which companys are good for CCIE? Do you think Cisco is good if > I have CCIE? Or are any ISP companys good for CCIE? Or Jupiter? > Is there any company which helps people to pass CCIE? > > I don't have any internetworking work experience, so I think even if I > passed CCIE lab exam, it will still be difficult to find job. But at least, > I would like to know which companys I should check and apply. > > Any suggestion will be very welcome. > Thank you very much for your help. > > Tomohiro Yoshizawa > > > > > > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail > account at http://www.eudoramail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11326&t=11284 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebie cisco lab time [7:11170]
I'm working on giving HTML access to the firewall logs, some users are trying to get things to work, but are failing, and they don't know that their data is being dumped to the firewall (internet) and they don't know it. I guess being able to check to see if the lab is dumping things to the firewall would indicate a routing issue in your configuration. ""NY50TT"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > For a limited time, a cisco lab is being made availible for free for users > on this mailing list. > > it's set up as > unit1.den.co.bbnow.net port 2023 > > For a diagram of what's there look at the ebay auction # 1253115777 > > Have fun, and let me know what you think. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11325&t=11170 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebie cisco lab time [7:11170]
To reboot the devices in the lab, telnet to msx1, and then the login and password is apc. ""NY50TT"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > For a limited time, a cisco lab is being made availible for free for users > on this mailing list. > > it's set up as > unit1.den.co.bbnow.net port 2023 > > For a diagram of what's there look at the ebay auction # 1253115777 > > Have fun, and let me know what you think. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11278&t=11170 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebie cisco lab time [7:11170]
I opened the firewall to allow outbound NTP queries with stateful inspection. the time functions ought to work now. ""NY50TT"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > For a limited time, a cisco lab is being made availible for free for users > on this mailing list. > > it's set up as > unit1.den.co.bbnow.net port 2023 > > For a diagram of what's there look at the ebay auction # 1253115777 > > Have fun, and let me know what you think. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11203&t=11170 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebie cisco lab time [7:11170]
ok the enable secret is router without a 0 and the password is router with a 0 whatever that means. ""NY50TT"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > cisc0 that is cisco with a zero. > enable password is r0uter with a 0 on the terminal server. > > ""Mark Odette II"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > login and pw?? > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "NY50TT" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:18 AM > > Subject: Freebie cisco lab time [7:11170] > > > > > > > For a limited time, a cisco lab is being made availible for free for > users > > > on this mailing list. > > > > > > it's set up as > > > unit1.den.co.bbnow.net port 2023 > > > > > > For a diagram of what's there look at the ebay auction # 1253115777 > > > > > > Have fun, and let me know what you think. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11186&t=11170 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freebie cisco lab time [7:11170]
cisc0 that is cisco with a zero. enable password is r0uter with a 0 on the terminal server. ""Mark Odette II"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > login and pw?? > > - Original Message - > From: "NY50TT" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:18 AM > Subject: Freebie cisco lab time [7:11170] > > > > For a limited time, a cisco lab is being made availible for free for users > > on this mailing list. > > > > it's set up as > > unit1.den.co.bbnow.net port 2023 > > > > For a diagram of what's there look at the ebay auction # 1253115777 > > > > Have fun, and let me know what you think. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11183&t=11170 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Freebie cisco lab time [7:11170]
For a limited time, a cisco lab is being made availible for free for users on this mailing list. it's set up as unit1.den.co.bbnow.net port 2023 For a diagram of what's there look at the ebay auction # 1253115777 Have fun, and let me know what you think. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11170&t=11170 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Way off subject [7:9997]
Ok here is my 0.02. I am not a CCIE. I have only an MCSE, and am 25 years old, single father of one 7 year old daughter. I don't have a college degree. I started my own consulting firm when I was 18, and went directly to the IT field. I now have 7 solid years of IT experience under my belt, and work as a senior security network architect for IBM. This year I will pull in just 5K shy of 6 digits. I have people with college degrees working for me. Now let me tell you a story. Those first 5 years were hell. I remember spending money in books and tools instead of food. I remember long sleepless nights studying or driving across the country in search of work and the next opportunity. I remember being turned down many times for jobs solely because I didn't have the degree. I had to play the numbers and apply for I would say 7 times the number of jobs to get 1 interview, and of those interviews, 75% of them would turn me down because of the lack of degree. Today I have met people who don't have degrees or certifications and make twice as much or more than I. These people have been in networking forever and damn sure don't need certifications, and degrees are mute. I am still disoriented by what I have found in this case, here are these folks, the top experts in the networking field in the world, but they don't have nor need, any pieces of papers other than their resume and reputation to get them anywhere. I believe that any level of success and opportunity I enjoy today is largely due to a level of successful self-marketing. Opportunities became available to me not because of what cert I had, but because a company needed something done that I had already done, I was able to sell myself to them that I was the guy to do it for them, and I just kept building on that base. Like Michael, I feel that the path I have chosen has greatly accelerated my career. Most people my age coming out of college do not come out making what I make, nor are they allowed to work with the cutting edge technologies I am allowed to work with, or doing the caliber of work I do. I don't regret not having a degree, however I will not tell you that you shouldn't get it. I posted a thread here that is labeled "are Cisco certifications still worth anything?" Please read the responses I got, some from CCIE's to get a splash of reality of things could be after you get your CCIE reality is you probably won't be deploying anything, and will likely have a desk job, reviewing architectures, and designing infrastructures, and even still some CCIE's use their certs for advancing up in an organization. I agree with all the comments presented in that thread, including the parts about the different uses for certifications. The only common denominator I have been able to identify in any response is the more experience you get, the less your educational or certification level seems to matter. I'm no longer questioned about lack of certifications or degrees(but note it took 7 years). I found that I made a bigger deal about it than did employers. My employers need things to get done so that they can turn a profit, and I give them that, and they pay me for it. A good name goes a long way... work finds me now, because people don't stop talking about what I can do, because I do it to their delight and satisfaction, and do it better and faster than most. It's amazing how projects just seem to "find" their way to me, and not one asks beforehand if I have a degree. It's "Tony, we heard you were involved in such and such, we are trying to do this and that, would you be part of our team to get this done?" I'll stop here because I have placed enough fuel for flamers... flamers go read the other thread and THINK before you post. I would say go finish the degree, but if you are offered the opportunity to work with industry leaders, in a cutting edge environment, but will be asked to limit your schooling, I would cut you schooling back to as little as possible to stay enrolled and go after the opportunity, after the college degree is attained, it will only go so far, the rest will come from your experience and reputation(and maybe a few certs). Yeah ok college I hear is fun, but think about the quality of your play, if drinking cheap beer in a frat house with the AC broken is better for you than the fun you can have because you are making a good chunk and can spend the money, then stay in college, but I would say that's simply irresponsible to make a decision to stay in college solely on the fact that you have ready parties to go to. I personally couldn't wait to get serious about life so I could play later, and play in style. I didn't miss the parties. At this time I however am not going back to school because it would be disruptive to the life/work/family balance I have right now, and I am looking forward to terrorizing my daughter in 13 years by telling her that I will be going to college with her (I hear teenagers love to
Re: bandwidth research [7:9993]
Typically what you want to do is create a test environment with all components, and get your own statistics based on the features of an application you will be using. For instance, yes citrix is 22K, but that is only if you are not using file transfer, by in large an application will use whatever bandwidth you let it have up to the slowest link in between the client and the server. You really need to treat each application individually, for instance I have seen ADSM (now TSM) eat up gigabit ethernet links on it's own, taking down everything else. No easy cut and dry answer. ""Vik"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hello, > I'm trying to determine the bandwidth requirements my company will have upon > deploying a new ERP application along with centralized Internet, e-mail, > VoIP, etc. > > I am having a difficult time finding news groups or any info on determining > what bandwidth is used by Java apps, Citrix MetaFrame, and other apps along > this line. > > Can someone please point me in the right direction? > > Thx. > > -- > Vik Evans - MCSE, CCNA, CCDA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11026&t=9993 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Network Performance testing equipments [7:10962]
I hate network performance testing because it's so ellusive in it's typical "moving target" nature and different interpretations that can be derived from the data you do collect. Nevertheless, network performance analysis depends on baselining and analysis of historical data, which means you need two components, data collection equipment and data analysis equipment. You will also need a sedative and a confortable chair as you decipher the data you do collect to keep from going insane. For data collection I recomend net scout products. You can get these at www.netscout.com. I would also recommend distributed sniffers for those moments when you need an immediate snap shot of activity to put out fires. For analysis, I recommend the net scout software, but also a good sniffer software package, and a back-end database like SQL or Oracle. Having extensive knowledge of protocols, frames, and all layers of network operations is a must. Most of all I reccomend: THINK, just because a book will tell you that a certain condition means you have a problem means that thier explanation is actually the problem. It might be that the application you are using is actually using short bursty traffic as opposed to long persistent traffic, and your clog is really being caused by an unstable network being burdend by spanning tree or routing convergence. In practice, never ever, isolate on the traffic that isn't performing correctly and expect to get an answer, you have to analyize the entire make up of the traffic, including routing protocol updates, BPDU's, etc. I personally hate network performance problems because they can be so elusive, and sometimes there is no single problem that is causing the issue, and sometimes, fixing one thing, only adds bandwidth to make another unidentified problem worse, so management think's you are green and don't know what you are doing. It's alot like the highway system, traffic, good or bad, will always expand to fit into the pipe it's given, your management needs to understand that from the outset, or you are in for a long process of explanations as to why you are not doing your job. Good luck. ""Faisal Athar"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi Cisco Smarties ..!! > > Need your help Again!! > > > Can you please recommend me some good tools to check the performance of > network.i.e Access/Distribution/Core layer response times > and throughputs etc.. > > our network is running with Cat6 and 7200 series equipments. > > Thanks for the help. > > > Faisal. > > Faisal Athar > On the Way to CCIE.. > > > > > > #The oNLY People who never succeded are# > ### Only those who never Try Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=11003&t=10962 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help me pls [7:10938]
lol, sorry no, we figure by the time you are ready to take the CCIE written you are already making well over $75K per year, so the auditors might raise questions about calling it a "charity for disadvantaged youths". ""Chris Kolp"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Where is the charity that pays for my CCIE written and lab? > > Is that you? > > ck > > - Original Message - > From: "NY50TT" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 12:27 AM > Subject: Re: help me pls [7:10938] > > > > I run a charity for disadvantaged youths who want to take their CCNA test, > > and only have enough money to take the exam once. Unfortunately, even > with > > their CCNA's they still can't find jobs, so I don't know if I'm doing any > > good. If you would like to explore this free option and help out my tax > > deduction this year, please post your email address so that I can send you > > some information. > > > > ""parky chan"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Dear, > > > i am going to exam the CCNA 640-570 , > > > can you give me some tips to exam this subject? > > > i don't want to fail . because i no more money to exam again . > > > Pls Help me Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=10991&t=10938 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: help me pls [7:10938]
I run a charity for disadvantaged youths who want to take their CCNA test, and only have enough money to take the exam once. Unfortunately, even with their CCNA's they still can't find jobs, so I don't know if I'm doing any good. If you would like to explore this free option and help out my tax deduction this year, please post your email address so that I can send you some information. ""parky chan"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Dear, > i am going to exam the CCNA 640-570 , > can you give me some tips to exam this subject? > i don't want to fail . because i no more money to exam again . > Pls Help me Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=10949&t=10938 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco Certifications still worth anything? [7:10599]
Well here's a thread certain to start a fire, but I thought I'd see what would happen. Does the community feel that Cisco Certifications are still in demand in the market place? Do they still get you through the door in anything? I have been in the IT field for the better part of 8 years. This year, I will be pulling in about 5K short of 100K, and I have a very short list of certifications which I rarely use in the network security and development position I'm in. I work for a very large, if not the largest IT shop in the world, and I am a little disoriented by what is seen as really important inside this organization. I have some level of respect for this organization because of it's sheer size and some of the industry giants and experts I work on teams with. However it doesn't seem that certification matters. All of the top tier architects, the "Gods" of the "Gods" are all undoubtedly very good at what they do, and rumor has it they are paid handsomely(much more than me), but a quick direct survey of these rather humble people, and I find that they have just been around for forever and seem to know near everything, especially about the business aspect of things, but don't carry any certifications that some deem so important to get(though I have no doubt they would pass if they were forced to take the tests). Yet they are crucial to the organization, and would probably be considered "lifers", meaning they would never leave the organization. So, as you may understand, seeing this every day, you might imagine why I am so disillusioned and pose this question. If I don't see certifications meaning anything inside the organization I'm part of right now, what do others see certifications worth in their world, their work, their area? Is the playing field different "on the outside"? Does organization size make the difference? Do certifications matter more in an organization of 50 , or in one with 50 thousand people? I guess the other confusing aspect is that I use my skills diffrently now than I did before. It used to matter that I could sit down on a bunch of routers or switches and configure (provision them when they are not ciscos) and make them do anything under the sun. Now that's considered a less valuable "production" type work, and the design,testing, project management, policy writting, and architecture work I do is for some reason considered more important than all that "lesser", and once crucial "production" work? Now I spend my days testing and designing new infrastructres, and once my documentation and design is done and approved, people, they call them "I.T. Specialists and "Junior Network Architects" sometimes getting paid a whole lot less (almost half less) go out there and actually implement it worldwide. Yes, I'm still called upon to analyize things when they go wrong, and help out with the roll-outs, but somehow I pictured that I would be touching more routers, not authoring documents of policy, design, and architecture. (ok so maybe I'm having trouble adjusting, but I spent many long nights study this sh** to be an expert at it, all the time envisioning that I would be building and deploying networks, actually using this sh**, to make a living, but what ended up happening is that I use maybe 20% of that knowledge, and the rest of the stuff I actually get paid for has almost nothing to do with any certification or education path) All the CCIE cisco certifications seem to be geared torwards doing this type of "production" work, do CCIE's really use those skills in production once they receive their CCIE? Do they even touch a router anymore? Here's why I ask this, the one CCIE I personally know, he's the CIO at the site for the organization that I work for. He approves security policy for the entire organization world wide, but it's probably been a long time since he has even had to touch a router, switch, or firewall. (that's the job of people like me, we go out, test the latest and greatest, create proposals, and them submit them to him to get approved) (though I should probably ask him on monday in passing, when the last time he sat at a console actually was) I kid not, he is simply amazing, and he know's everything, and has this scary guru type knowledge on networking and security, but I still hold that I seriously doubt he uses any of the "production" type knowledge that the cisco ccie lab tests for on a day-to-day basis. That all makes it seem, that the concepts and years of expereince mean more than the actuall cert, in this organization, but I wonder it it's the same everywhere else. Now, I'm sure that this CCIE has spent his years doing the "production" work, but is the natural progression of things such that once you get the high tier certifications, that you move on to upper management, and the type of work you end up doing is less and less hands on techincal and more and more business related? Another CCIE I've heard of, works in denver as a sales engi
