RE: Networkers presentation links [7:13009]
Thanks Chuck, Great resource here. http://www.cisco.com/networkers/nw01/pres/preso/RoutingandSwitchingTechnolog ies/RST-204.pdf Was just going thro this ...Look at te one on privilege levels. I am pasting whats out there. show running-config looks like it needs more than the defined privilege levels to get this to work. I have tried enabling router level, Ip under interface etc...only to still see part of the config.. I wonder if you have to enable a long list of things to see the entire running-config... Might as well give 'em a print out of the config for the level 5 users. -) any ideas ? Cheers,Padhu - username gltest privilege 5 password 0 gltest privilege configure level 5 interface privilege interface level 5 shutdown privilege exec level 5 show ip route privilege exec level 5 configure terminal privilege exec level 5 show running-config Now i do disable 5 R5#show running-config Building configuration... Current configuration: ! ! ! interface Loopback0 ! interface Ethernet0 ! interface Serial0 ! interface Serial0.1 point-to-point ! interface Serial0.2 multipoint ! interface Serial1 ! interface BRI0 shutdown ! ! end R5# -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:39 PM To: Cisco Mail List; CCIE_Lab Groupstudy List Subject: Networkers presentation links I know these have been posted before, but in case you missed it: http://www.cisco.com/networkers/nw01/pres/index.html lots of big PDF files. you may want to download or view over higher speed connections. enjoy Chuck **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=13009&t=13009 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DLSW Filters / Border Peers
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 172.xx.xx.xx lsap-output-list 200
What does the 0 specify here ? a local bridgelist ?
-Original Message-
From: Jaeger, Dennis (CC-Network Dev) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 4:13 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: DLSW Filters / Border Peers
Hello Padhu,
I do not run border peer in a group. What I have is two 7204 VXR
chassis that we have dedicated to DLSW. These routers are located in the
core and all remote locations peer to one of these routers for DLSW
connectivity. Each remote router peers to one 7204 and has a backup peer
coded that points to the other 7204. We run promiscuous on the 7204s which
enables the remote peers to use the backup in case their primary peer fails.
Here is what i code on the 7204 DSLW routers:
dlsw local-peer peer-id 172.xx.xx.xx promiscuous
dlsw icannotreach sap F0
Here is what I code on the remote peers:
dlsw local-peer peer-id 172.xx.xx.xx
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp 172.xx.xx.xx lsap-output-list 200
dlsw bridge-group 1
access-list 200 permit 0x 0x0D0D
I hope that this helps. Regards, Dennis
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 8:31 AM
To: Jaeger, Dennis (CC-Network Dev)
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: DLSW Filters / Border Peers
I am new to DLSW filters . Would you mind sending me some sample configs on
the filters alone ?
Do you run border peer in a group ? How to provide redundancy if the border
router fails for other groups to reach ? 20 & 10 remote peer to each other
..but if the border fails then
(NET-A)(DLSW BORDER GROUP-20)---(DLSW BORDER
GROUP-10)--(NET-B)
Cheers,Padhu
-Original Message-
From: Jaeger, Dennis (CC-Network Dev) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:23 PM
To: 'Scott Jensen'; Don Dettmore
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: IBM Gurus - Please Help!
Hello Don,
DLSW has enabled me to pass dozens of LU6.2 APPC sessions throughout my
network with little impact.
1. Yes. Use DLSW Icannotreach sap filters to screen out all but SNA traffic
on your DLSW pipes. You can also use an access-list that will do this on
the remote peers:
access-list 200 permit 0x 0x0D0D
then apply this ACL on the peer statement in the remote router:
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp x.x.x.x {dlsw peer ip addr} lsap-output-list 200
This should help keep all but SNA from hogging the bandwidth.
I run promiscuous peering on my core DLSW routers with icannot reach sap
filters and have the remote router establish the peer via remote peer
statements and the ACL listed above. If you have multiple DLSW core routers
you can also use the backup peer statement on your remote peers; but only if
you are running promiscuous on your core peers.
Hope this helps. Regards, Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Scott Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:56 PM
To: Don Dettmore
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM Gurus - Please Help!
DSLw or DSLw+ is the way to encapsulate SNA into an IP packet for
transport across the WAN. It will require you to create a peer connection
form one side of the WAN to a router on the otherside. once this is done
the SNA will be encapsulated into IP for transport to the peer partner. In
setting this up you may want to consider having the router at the remote
location establish the peering connection. That will reduce the cycles on
your main networks router, should a WAN connection, DSU, or interface
fail. You will still need bridging turned on, but will not have to bridge
other protocols unless you need them.
Scott
Don Dettmore wrote:
> I need some help from somone that knows SNA and DLSW. I am trying to
> connect LU6.2 Nodes to a Host on the other side of an IP WAN - in an
> all ethernet LAN environment.
>
> My network is pretty complex, but basically it comes down to this:
>
> EthernetAPPNnodes <-> CiscoRouter <-> IPWAN<-> CiscoRouter <->
> EthernetAS/400
>
> Currently I am Bridging non-routable traffic over the WAN - it DOES
> work but does no seem to be a very good solution - I am chewing up
> some bandwidth bridging things I don't want to.
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1. Can I be selective on what I bridge? Bridge SNA only? I have not
> been able to find any commands that let me do so.
>
> 2. Would using DLSW help? Is it even possible - using the Ethernet
> DLSW BRIDGE_GROUP comands on both ends? Would that help in any way?
> Eliminate LLC2 timeouts (though I don't think I'm experiencing any)?
>
> 3. Are there any other solutions?
>
> Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Don Dettmore
> CCNP, MCSE, CNE
>
> ___
> UP
RE: DHCP and subnets
My 2c on this . When the DHCP broadcasts crosses the router ,it carries that routers mask and ip info across to the dhcp server ( assuming helpder is there) the DHCP server on seeing that the reqest came from that particular subnet issues an ip from a scope ...U could configure multiple scopes and combine them into one superscope to do this. Hope this helps. Cheers,Padhu -Original Message- From: whatshakin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/16/00 12:11 PM Subject: DHCP and subnets Hello folks, Please clarify this for me. Hypothetical example: Campus LAN with multiple buildings. Each building on its own vlan and with its own subnet addressing scheme. All buildings tied in to a Catalyst 5500 which has RSP doing all the inter-vlan routing. Data center using a single DHCP server with multiple scopes (one scope per vlan/subnet etc) to supply all vlans/subnets with their respective ip addresses. I want to understand how the DHCP server knows how to hand out the correct ip address from the corresponding subnet to the workstations that request them. I have come to believe that initially DHCP servers have no idea whom is requesting an address, they just hand them out to whoever asks...this is what is confusing. I understand that each Vlan needs its own gateway address where the workstations aim their broadcasts and there an ip helper-address statement in the RSP for each vlan, but I still don't understand how the DHCP server knows how to hand out the appropriate address when it has multiple scopes enabled. TIA for any clarification you can offer. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DHCP on Router!!
Have u tried assigning an ip address to an ethernet interface of a cisco router acting as a dhcp client with helpder-address pointing to another cisco IOS dhcp server ? Ofcourse we wouldn't want the routers ip changing all the time ..maybe witha reservation would work here . Cheers,Padhu -Original Message- From: Orion To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 7/16/00 5:46 AM Subject: Re: DHCP on Router!! Yes..it is available in 12.0 i have just implemented it together with IP-HELPER ADDRESS jeongwoo park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi all > I heard that router had DHCP function. > Is that true? > if it is, which version is that? > > Thanks in adv > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: DLSW Filters / Border Peers
I am new to DLSW filters . Would you mind sending me some sample configs on
the filters alone ?
Do you run border peer in a group ? How to provide redundancy if the border
router fails for other groups to reach ? 20 & 10 remote peer to each other
..but if the border fails then
(NET-A)(DLSW BORDER GROUP-20)---(DLSW BORDER
GROUP-10)--(NET-B)
Cheers,Padhu
-Original Message-
From: Jaeger, Dennis (CC-Network Dev) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:23 PM
To: 'Scott Jensen'; Don Dettmore
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: IBM Gurus - Please Help!
Hello Don,
DLSW has enabled me to pass dozens of LU6.2 APPC sessions throughout my
network with little impact.
1. Yes. Use DLSW Icannotreach sap filters to screen out all but SNA traffic
on your DLSW pipes. You can also use an access-list that will do this on
the remote peers:
access-list 200 permit 0x 0x0D0D
then apply this ACL on the peer statement in the remote router:
dlsw remote-peer 0 tcp x.x.x.x {dlsw peer ip addr} lsap-output-list 200
This should help keep all but SNA from hogging the bandwidth.
I run promiscuous peering on my core DLSW routers with icannot reach sap
filters and have the remote router establish the peer via remote peer
statements and the ACL listed above. If you have multiple DLSW core routers
you can also use the backup peer statement on your remote peers; but only if
you are running promiscuous on your core peers.
Hope this helps. Regards, Dennis
-Original Message-
From: Scott Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:56 PM
To: Don Dettmore
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM Gurus - Please Help!
DSLw or DSLw+ is the way to encapsulate SNA into an IP packet for
transport across the WAN. It will require you to create a peer connection
form one side of the WAN to a router on the otherside. once this is done
the SNA will be encapsulated into IP for transport to the peer partner. In
setting this up you may want to consider having the router at the remote
location establish the peering connection. That will reduce the cycles on
your main networks router, should a WAN connection, DSU, or interface
fail. You will still need bridging turned on, but will not have to bridge
other protocols unless you need them.
Scott
Don Dettmore wrote:
> I need some help from somone that knows SNA and DLSW. I am trying to
> connect LU6.2 Nodes to a Host on the other side of an IP WAN - in an
> all ethernet LAN environment.
>
> My network is pretty complex, but basically it comes down to this:
>
> EthernetAPPNnodes <-> CiscoRouter <-> IPWAN<-> CiscoRouter <->
> EthernetAS/400
>
> Currently I am Bridging non-routable traffic over the WAN - it DOES
> work but does no seem to be a very good solution - I am chewing up
> some bandwidth bridging things I don't want to.
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1. Can I be selective on what I bridge? Bridge SNA only? I have not
> been able to find any commands that let me do so.
>
> 2. Would using DLSW help? Is it even possible - using the Ethernet
> DLSW BRIDGE_GROUP comands on both ends? Would that help in any way?
> Eliminate LLC2 timeouts (though I don't think I'm experiencing any)?
>
> 3. Are there any other solutions?
>
> Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Don Dettmore
> CCNP, MCSE, CNE
>
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RE: Serial0 is up, line protocol is down!
Did you try changing the cisco cable ? Did you try changing the CSU?DSU ? Did you try the transmit inverse clock either on the csu or on the cisco ? ( Only one at a time should be changed for testing) -Original Message- From: ANIL.YADAV To: Omer Shommo Cc: Cisco Group Study Sent: 7/3/00 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Serial0 is up, line protocol is down! Hi!! everybody I'm facing a starnge problem. Even if I put a physical loop oan the serial interface my protocol doesn't come up it shows me something like this Serial1 is up, line protocol is down (looped) tried varios options but doesn' help. thanks anil On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Omer Shommo wrote: > Hello to All, > > If Serial0 is up, line protocol is down, then what should I check? Give me as many answers as you can. > > BTW what is the line protocol? is it a network protocol like ip, ipx? or is it the data link layer protocol? > > Omer > > > ___ > Why pay for something you could get for free? > NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Frame-Relay using two routers
you need to switch it to anothet interface to transfer the dlci... u need an input and output port for a frame switch -Original Message- From: Billy Monroe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Frame-Relay using two routers Sorry I know this question has been discussed before but I couldn't find the e-mail regarding this one... I have two routers (Router1 is the DCE) and when I configure Router1 as a switch it returns the message '**Can not switch on same interface'. Can you tell me why is not working ? Here is the configuration: ! hostname fakeswitch ! frame-relay switching int s0 no ip address encap frame-relay clockrate 38400 frame-relay lmi-type ansi frame-relay intf-type dce frame-relay route 100 int serial0 135 ** can not switch on same interface ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Microsoft Networking over WAN
TCP 137 UDP 138 TCP 139 would be required for ms networking you may also need ip helper-address and ip forward protocol udp if you are doing DHCP across the wan. Cheers,Padhu -Original Message- From: Michael Linehan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 1:18 PM To: CiscoStudyGroup Subject: Microsoft Networking over WAN Could someone please give me the required ports that need to be open so I can map drives, and login to a NT Server? Also is there anything else I should know about doing Microsoft Networking over a Cisco Router WAN connection? Thanks. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Can you block CDP with an access list???
CDP is based on snap encapsulation ..so may be a layer 2 filetr based on cdp protocol no also may work -Original Message- From: Feliz, Edgar To: Aaron Prather; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 6/27/00 5:14 PM Subject: RE: Can you block CDP with an access list??? You can disable it on an interface basis. EF -Original Message- From: Aaron Prather [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Can you block CDP with an access list??? If you can what protocol does it use? UDP? i know its a protocol in itself, but can this be done? what port number? Thanks guys, Aaron ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: VLSM Question
The 4 subnets belong to diff areas. The summarization would be per area. I don't understand where area 23 came from ?!!! ( that is the process ID - Has nothing to do with OSPF areas ) To the best of my knowledge on a ABR you would summarize per area in the area range command. In this case i don't think you do much. ( If these 4 subnets were in the same area you accomplish that) Cheers,Padhu -Original Message- From: sumthin sumthin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VLSM Question Sorry for the imprecise answer and for getting back so late...just got back from vacation. Actually, you are correct. A 27-bit mask is what you need. If you were to use the 28-bit mask that I suggested, it would have excluded the 172.16.10.16 range. Good job! >From: "Sriram Venkataramani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Sriram Venkataramani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "sumthin sumthin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: VLSM Question >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:00:25 -0700 > >Hello, >Your answer is'nt convincing to me. Please do not take it otherwise. Can >you >explain your answer? > >Thanks >- Original Message - >From: sumthin sumthin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:34 AM >Subject: VLSM Question > > > > It should be: > > area 23 range 172.16.10.0 255.255.255.240 > > > > -- > > > > Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 23:49:40 -0700 > > From: Kurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: VLSM Question > > > > I have four different interfaces on a 2514 router (e0,e1,s0,s1), each > > interface is on a different subnet, and the mask is 30 bits. Here's they > > are: > > int e0 = 172.16.10.4 /30 > > int e1 = 172.16.10.8 /30 > > int s0 = 172.16.10.12 /30 > > int s1 = 172.16.10.16 /30 > > ( I only want two addresses per subnet) > > I'm running OSPF routing protocol on this router. Each route is > > configured in a different area, so that makes this router an Area Border > > Router. > > here's the logic: > > router ospf 23 > > route 172.16.10.4 0.0.0.0 area 1 > > route 172.16.10.8 0.0.0.0 area 2 > > route 172.16.10.12 0.0.0.0 area 3 > > route 172.16.10.16 0.0.0.0 area 4 > > I want to summarize the addresses into one route for the routing table. > > Is this possible? > > Here's the binaries on the last octet: > > 4 = .0100 > > 8 = .1000 > > 12= .1100 > > 16= .0001 > > I came up with summary-address 172.16.10.0 255.255.255.224 > > (ABR script = -- > > > > Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 23:49:40 -0700 > > From: Kurt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: VLSM Question > > > > I have four different interfaces on a 2514 router (e0,e1,s0,s1), each > > interface is on a different subnet, and the mask is 30 bits. Here's they > > are: > > int e0 = 172.16.10.4 /30 > > int e1 = 172.16.10.8 /30 > > int s0 = 172.16.10.12 /30 > > int s1 = 172.16.10.16 /30 > > ( I only want two addresses per subnet) > > I'm running OSPF routing protocol on this router. Each route is > > configured in a different area, so that makes this router an Area Border > > Router. > > here's the logic: > > router ospf 23 > > route 172.16.10.4 0.0.0.0 area 1 > > route 172.16.10.8 0.0.0.0 area 2 > > route 172.16.10.12 0.0.0.0 area 3 > > route 172.16.10.16 0.0.0.0 area 4 > > I want to summarize the addresses into one route for the routing table. > > Is this possible? > > Here's the binaries on the last octet: > > 4 = .0100 > > 8 = .1000 > > 12= .1100 > > 16= .0001 > > I came up with summary-address 172.16.10.0 255.255.255.224 > > (ABR script = area 23 range 172.16.10.0 255.255.255.224) > > Is this correct?) > > Is this correct? > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Router for Frame Relay
You could also use 2 25xx back to back and switch frame relay across the tunnel..a friend of mine just got this working for me . -Original Message- From: ElephantChild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 6:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Router for Frame Relay On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I want to purchase a router to configure as a frame relay switch. Can > anyone out there tell me which is the best option for this or can any cisco > 2500 series router can do the job. Most 25xx routers have 2 serial ports, which may not be enough for you. 2509-RJ and 2511-RJ have only 1, so you can't use them no matter what. 2520-2523 routers may be best, as they have 4 (2520-2521) or 10 (2522-2523), provided you can live with some of those being low-speed. -- Bungee jumping and skydiving are for wimps. If you want to experience true gut-wrenching terror, have children. --Dusty Rhoades. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
