Re: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
Some people live so fast They're so scared of getting old Some people keep on working All they do is line their graves with gold From the same track by Joe Jackson - Not bad for a baseball player :-) Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... At 03:28 PM 2/6/02, Cebuano wrote: As Joe jackson said... We don't know what happens when we die We only know we die too soon But then we have to try Or else the world becomes a waiting room. I like it! I had to look up who Joe Jackson is, but still I like it. ;-) Here's another similar one, from my hero: Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once. Of all the wonders that I yet have heard, It seems to me most strange that men should fear; Seeing that death, a necessary end, Will come when it will come. ATTRIBUTION: Julius Cfsar. Act ii. Sc. 2. AUTHOR: William Shakespeare (15641616) Priscilla Now on to Doyle, Parkhurst, Solie, Caslow, Berkowitz... - Original Message - From: Mike Sweeney To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634] You get out it what you put into it. Its that simple. I know far too many people who would do well but refuse to admit that they need to spend some time studying. why wont they pay for it is the biggest whine.. you are entitled to NOTHING in this world except to die at some point so it's really up to you where to go and how to get there. In my years, I have had the commute from hell and I used audio tapes and studied during lunchtime instead of going out with the guys. I squeezed in some class time at the college. I've spent time carpooling with the express idea of reading.. I have a laptop so I can at the least run sims on the run. I take it to family functions and it's understood that after a few hours of togetherness, I will disappear for a few hours of study time. I've explained to my daughter that even daddy has homework to do and so we each do our *homework* at the same time. She normally is done first :) And yes, a long suffering wife helps out alot. And I do make a point of some days, blowing off Cisco/networks/PCs to spend time with family and friends.. it's a tough balancing act to do. If there is a will, there is a way. MikeS Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34829t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
I don't think this was Shoeless Joe Jackson, but rather a self-described awkward, skinny, asthmatic child who later became a musician/writer. Ref: google/joe jackson My own quote: This thread sounds like running thirty miles and hour on a treadmill going sixty. Best, G. VP OGC Some people live so fast They're so scared of getting old Some people keep on working All they do is line their graves with gold From the same track by Joe Jackson - Not bad for a baseball player :-) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34857t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
i have a 2 hr commute (each way) i get in at 10 and leave at 6i study on the train with my headphones on. i Make sure i dont do to much .i have found that you can easily overkill on whatever you do and i ALWAYS feel i never know enough... 5 nites a week i study martial arts.(seems to be the standard with it people) i work to live i dont live to work. but each to there own hey From: rtc9 Reply-To: rtc9 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634] Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:10:22 -0500 I have a three hour commute, a full+ part time job, and I'm wondering, what is the average hours people put in to thier job after hours? Some I think do nothing. Others eat drink sleep and live the stuff. I know work is important.but _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34751t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
At 03:28 PM 2/6/02, Cebuano wrote: As Joe jackson said... We don't know what happens when we die We only know we die too soon But then we have to try Or else the world becomes a waiting room. I like it! I had to look up who Joe Jackson is, but still I like it. ;-) Here's another similar one, from my hero: Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once. Of all the wonders that I yet have heard, It seems to me most strange that men should fear; Seeing that death, a necessary end, Will come when it will come. ATTRIBUTION: Julius Cfsar. Act ii. Sc. 2. AUTHOR: William Shakespeare (15641616) Priscilla Now on to Doyle, Parkhurst, Solie, Caslow, Berkowitz... - Original Message - From: Mike Sweeney To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634] You get out it what you put into it. Its that simple. I know far too many people who would do well but refuse to admit that they need to spend some time studying. why wont they pay for it is the biggest whine.. you are entitled to NOTHING in this world except to die at some point so it's really up to you where to go and how to get there. In my years, I have had the commute from hell and I used audio tapes and studied during lunchtime instead of going out with the guys. I squeezed in some class time at the college. I've spent time carpooling with the express idea of reading.. I have a laptop so I can at the least run sims on the run. I take it to family functions and it's understood that after a few hours of togetherness, I will disappear for a few hours of study time. I've explained to my daughter that even daddy has homework to do and so we each do our *homework* at the same time. She normally is done first :) And yes, a long suffering wife helps out alot. And I do make a point of some days, blowing off Cisco/networks/PCs to spend time with family and friends.. it's a tough balancing act to do. If there is a will, there is a way. MikeS Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34790t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
I have a three hour commute, a full+ part time job, and I'm wondering, what is the average hours people put in to thier job after hours? Some I think do nothing. Others eat drink sleep and live the stuff. I know work is important.but Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34634t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
I leave early. And I never think about it again until the next day. Sometimes I study at home, most times I don't. rtc9 wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have a three hour commute, a full+ part time job, and I'm wondering, what is the average hours people put in to thier job after hours? Some I think do nothing. Others eat drink sleep and live the stuff. I know work is important.but Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34636t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I wonder the same some times. I seem to eat drink sleep it most of the time. Before I did my CCNA/DA I thought I know nothing - got to work at it. Then before my CCNP/DP I thought I know nothing - got to work at it. Now I feel I know nothing - got to work at it. I think I am the type of bloke that will always feel that I need to know a lot more to be secure. Sometimes this doesn't help home life although it can make you more valuable at work. I have the bonus of being semi nocturnal, so I have 3-4 hours free time after my family goes to bed, but I have only 4 minutes on a motorbike to get to work so that's where I've pinched that time off you. I also have a very independant supportive wife and two neglected kids :-) When work's quiet I try to find more time for the family, so I can go hell for leather when things are busy. Got to find a balance I suppose. Gaz rtc9 wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have a three hour commute, a full+ part time job, and I'm wondering, what is the average hours people put in to thier job after hours? Some I think do nothing. Others eat drink sleep and live the stuff. I know work is important.but Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34646t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
Three hours commuting, Where are you traveling to an from an a part time job are you on some kind off mission? I thought i would have it easy with time as i live an work in my home town, Man i was wrong on average i get into work for about 9am an dont leave work until about 8pm sometimes later, 90% of my time is spent dealing with Customer services issue(1st/2nd) that involves trouble shoooting our live systems dealing with telcoms issues as i working a live enviorment sometimes there will be nothing an all off a sudden i will have emails, phones called senior managers calling me. i would say that 10% is spent looking at computer journals an looking on sites such as group study. I would agree an say there are a people that do nothing at work!!! Back to me, So i get home have something to eat, watch TV (The Simpsons Recorded at six Or skysports) When i'm relaxed i will have a look at the CCNP routing book an think about the testing my knowledge on the boson test but thats where it ends as i'm so tired, i tend to crash out. On average i will go to bed about 1am. Every third week i'm on call thats when the fun begins dealing with customer sevices problems etc etc 24/7. What makes me laugh is i'm in a job thats totally inrealted to cisco. To be honest i really have about 3 hours evert night during the week. I really focus on the CCNP over the weekend, unless i'm on call. Regards Tel Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34651t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
Live,eat,breathe,drink the stuff. I don't start until 8:00 or so, but I start at home via VPN. Get the basics out of the way and head to work by 10:00. Stay there till 6-7 to miss traffic, then come home to study for CCIE Security till 12 or so. My commute is only 15 minutes via the back roads however, so not much time is lost there. I typically check e-mail and read some on the weekends, but with NASCAR starting back again, there is going to be no time on Sunday. The guys I work with think I nuts though, so YMMV. -Original Message- From: rtc9 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634] I have a three hour commute, a full+ part time job, and I'm wondering, what is the average hours people put in to thier job after hours? Some I think do nothing. Others eat drink sleep and live the stuff. I know work is important.but Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34654t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You get out it what you put into it. Its that simple. I know far too many people who would do well but refuse to admit that they need to spend some time studying. why wont they pay for it is the biggest whine.. you are entitled to NOTHING in this world except to die at some point so it's really up to you where to go and how to get there. In my years, I have had the commute from hell and I used audio tapes and studied during lunchtime instead of going out with the guys. I squeezed in some class time at the college. I've spent time carpooling with the express idea of reading.. I have a laptop so I can at the least run sims on the run. I take it to family functions and it's understood that after a few hours of togetherness, I will disappear for a few hours of study time. I've explained to my daughter that even daddy has homework to do and so we each do our *homework* at the same time. She normally is done first :) And yes, a long suffering wife helps out alot. And I do make a point of some days, blowing off Cisco/networks/PCs to spend time with family and friends.. it's a tough balancing act to do. If there is a will, there is a way. MikeS Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34657t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would pontificate on the below. Several vendors have jumped on the 'training gravy train'. Used to be, vendors would train users with the idea that a knowledgeable operator would benefit all. Apparently, the huge training licensing schemes have clouded the original intent of vendor-specific training what makes us look good, makes you look good. One big difference in IT is the ugly reality of constant change. A company hiring an accountant, for example, would rarely need to re-train that staff in mathematics; 1+1 is generally the same as it was when rocks and sticks were used for counting. Anyone looked at IPV6 lately? How's about 802.3ad? Gigabit Ethernet? VOIP? Fiber Power-loss calculations? ad. nauseum. Wise employers (Enron and A. Andersen excluded, of course, a new 'ethic; of expecting nothing) need to understand that training is just as important as that 7% advertising budget. This generally means time and money for 'pump priming'. You can figure out the obvious advantages. As for 'dying at some point', long-term readers may have heard my 'whine' about stress strongly contributing to the early demise of more than one close friend who let IT get to them over the years. None of these folks, IMHO, received remotely realistic training budget or time allotments. Those things, you see, 'expected'. While the Enron execs of IT management may be golfing, the good ones understand the value of a good crew. Bottom line, if you cannot negotiate the training opportunities, time, or commitment; leave. And be good enough at what you do so your absence hurts. Badly. Catch 22? Sure. Most folks in IT do enjoy learning and being good at what they do. But to suffer, as some have indicated, two jobs, one for money and one to keep current enough to do the first, is neither wise for the employee nor the employer. And as for the vendors Does training for operators of your equipment/OS fall into advertising budget? Where are the grants? I have *begged*, as a public sector employee, two well-known OS vendors for *some* training directly from their (large) staff. Forget it. So much for 'corporate ethics'. So, go ahead, guys. Ignore your wife, forget your kids, stay up 'til the wee hours. You will find, after many years, that there is a cost incurred --- it will be up to you to decide if you earned enough to pay it off. Best, G. You get out it what you put into it. Its that simple. I know far too many people who would do well but refuse to admit that they need to spend some time studying. why wont they pay for it is the biggest whine.. you are entitled to NOTHING in this world except to die at some point so it's really up to you where to go and how to get there. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34670t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634]
As Joe jackson said... We don't know what happens when we die We only know we die too soon But then we have to try Or else the world becomes a waiting room. Now on to Doyle, Parkhurst, Solie, Caslow, Berkowitz... - Original Message - From: Mike Sweeney To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634] You get out it what you put into it. Its that simple. I know far too many people who would do well but refuse to admit that they need to spend some time studying. why wont they pay for it is the biggest whine.. you are entitled to NOTHING in this world except to die at some point so it's really up to you where to go and how to get there. In my years, I have had the commute from hell and I used audio tapes and studied during lunchtime instead of going out with the guys. I squeezed in some class time at the college. I've spent time carpooling with the express idea of reading.. I have a laptop so I can at the least run sims on the run. I take it to family functions and it's understood that after a few hours of togetherness, I will disappear for a few hours of study time. I've explained to my daughter that even daddy has homework to do and so we each do our *homework* at the same time. She normally is done first :) And yes, a long suffering wife helps out alot. And I do make a point of some days, blowing off Cisco/networks/PCs to spend time with family and friends.. it's a tough balancing act to do. If there is a will, there is a way. MikeS Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34672t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i tend to stick with leslie nielson's sayings...like a midget at a urinal, ill have to stay on my toes (in reference to my lab studying) back to OSPF -Original Message- From: Cebuano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634] As Joe jackson said... We don't know what happens when we die We only know we die too soon But then we have to try Or else the world becomes a waiting room. Now on to Doyle, Parkhurst, Solie, Caslow, Berkowitz... - Original Message - From: Mike Sweeney To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Average afterwork time Tech learning commitment? [7:34634] You get out it what you put into it. Its that simple. I know far too many people who would do well but refuse to admit that they need to spend some time studying. why wont they pay for it is the biggest whine.. you are entitled to NOTHING in this world except to die at some point so it's really up to you where to go and how to get there. In my years, I have had the commute from hell and I used audio tapes and studied during lunchtime instead of going out with the guys. I squeezed in some class time at the college. I've spent time carpooling with the express idea of reading.. I have a laptop so I can at the least run sims on the run. I take it to family functions and it's understood that after a few hours of togetherness, I will disappear for a few hours of study time. I've explained to my daughter that even daddy has homework to do and so we each do our *homework* at the same time. She normally is done first :) And yes, a long suffering wife helps out alot. And I do make a point of some days, blowing off Cisco/networks/PCs to spend time with family and friends.. it's a tough balancing act to do. If there is a will, there is a way. MikeS Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34684t=34634 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
