CCIE written on resume? [7:48868]
I am persuing the written portion of the CCIE. I want to put this on my resume when the test is passed but it is not a certification in itself. There is no logical reason not to put it there as it shows additional knowledge and that is what the resume is for. But awhile back I think this topic was discussed but don't remember the particulars (I was not a CCNA at the time even). It seems to be like saying that you don't have a degree but have completed some college. Also where would this go on a resume? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, George Zutaut Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48868&t=48868 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868]
Personal advice. List your certifications only. CCNP,CCDP,CCNA,MCSE,etc... There is no certification called "CCIE written". I would instead place this under experience section. When I was a hiring manager, I frowned heavily upon candidates who made up certifications like putting "CNE 6/8", which I was meant to take as having passed 6 of 8 tests for the CNE ( I don't remember the exact numbers that were on it ) I would also mention the fact that you have passed the CCIE written in your opening paragraph. It's an accomplishment to be proud of! Its just not a certification. While I cant tell you the most effective way of presenting your skillset, I can tell you from personal experience that you will loose far more interviews that you will gain with "CCIE Written" on your resume , or at least that is the case in the states. It might also be helpful to get in contact with a headhunter/placement company in your area that has a good reputation and get their advice. Experience counts when it comes time to creating the most effective resume that you can. Other words of advice would be to be specific in what you have done. Don't put "assisted in the global migration of Layer 3 devices", instead use something along the lines of "lead engineer in the Design,installation and turn-up of Cisco routers in an IP/IPX network at 250 locations with varying access circuits from T-1 to T-3,DS-3 and OC-12." I say this because your resume is going to be scanned into a database and someone is going to do a search on keywords. In small companies a very experienced HR person will look at the first statement and say "fluff". With a tight market, they are going to choose the person that is the best match, and they are not going to call you to find out even though it not on your resume', your are the absolute perfect match . They will assume that because you didn't say Cisco, you don't have experience. Bad assumptions I know, but in a tight market this tends to happen. What will happen is the further investigation will happen to the 50 people that did put it on there resume. I'm sure that others will have even better information and job searching hints to provide to you so take them all in, figure out what is best for you and be persistent. Good luck to you in your search. Thanks Larry -Original Message- From: G Z [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868] I am persuing the written portion of the CCIE. I want to put this on my resume when the test is passed but it is not a certification in itself. There is no logical reason not to put it there as it shows additional knowledge and that is what the resume is for. But awhile back I think this topic was discussed but don't remember the particulars (I was not a CCNA at the time even). It seems to be like saying that you don't have a degree but have completed some college. Also where would this go on a resume? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, George Zutaut Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48871&t=48868 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868]
George I would strongly advise against list "CCIE Written" as a certification on your resume. I would recommend either mentioning it in a descriptive paragraph about yourself, or under education in some kind of in progress section. In both cases it may be worthwhile to give a REALISTIC estimate of when you think you will complete the whole certification (ie pass the lab). Your mileage may vary with that last point however. I guess it really depends on what kind of message you are giving on your resume. In any case, if I ever see a resume claiming "CCIE written" as a certification it likely will be thrown straight into the discard pile. I wouldnt want someone who would put that on a resume in my team. Peter Walker CISSP, CSS1, CCNP, CCIP, TISCA PS. Yeah I have passed the CCIE written exam (security) and I dont claim that as a certification --On Monday, July 15, 2002 11:28 PM + G Z wrote: > I am persuing the written portion of the CCIE. I want to put this on my > resume when the test is passed but it is not a certification in itself. > There is no logical reason not to put it there as it shows additional > knowledge and that is what the resume is for. But awhile back I think this > topic was discussed but don't remember the particulars (I was not a CCNA > at the time even). It seems to be like saying that you don't have a > degree but have completed some college. Also where would this go on a > resume? Any input would be appreciated. > Thanks, >George Zutaut > Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48878&t=48868 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868]
The resume should only list certs that are worth mentioning (such as, don't list ccna when you already got a ccnp, or mcp when you are a mcse) it is equiv to you stating that you went to elemetary school, secondary school, high school, and then you got your BS in computer science. Experience should be listed that displays your major skillset/achievements. In your personal/other category, then list what college degrees/certs that you are in progress. goodluck... stanford Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=4&t=48868 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868]
it is a good discussion that is going on here. Roberts that is a good advice.. If u r not putting ccie written on ur resume how can u show the time and efforts that u have been putting on acheiving it.. I have this freind of mine who worked for a body shopping firm and the company that had a contract scrapped it and he lost his job, when he was preparing for the Ccie lab when he had not written any other certification other than the one he is pursuing... the mention of ccie (pursuing) i think highlight's both. rgds, Murali -Original Message- From: Roberts, Larry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868] Personal advice. List your certifications only. CCNP,CCDP,CCNA,MCSE,etc... There is no certification called "CCIE written". I would instead place this under experience section. When I was a hiring manager, I frowned heavily upon candidates who made up certifications like putting "CNE 6/8", which I was meant to take as having passed 6 of 8 tests for the CNE ( I don't remember the exact numbers that were on it ) I would also mention the fact that you have passed the CCIE written in your opening paragraph. It's an accomplishment to be proud of! Its just not a certification. While I cant tell you the most effective way of presenting your skillset, I can tell you from personal experience that you will loose far more interviews that you will gain with "CCIE Written" on your resume , or at least that is the case in the states. It might also be helpful to get in contact with a headhunter/placement company in your area that has a good reputation and get their advice. Experience counts when it comes time to creating the most effective resume that you can. Other words of advice would be to be specific in what you have done. Don't put "assisted in the global migration of Layer 3 devices", instead use something along the lines of "lead engineer in the Design,installation and turn-up of Cisco routers in an IP/IPX network at 250 locations with varying access circuits from T-1 to T-3,DS-3 and OC-12." I say this because your resume is going to be scanned into a database and someone is going to do a search on keywords. In small companies a very experienced HR person will look at the first statement and say "fluff". With a tight market, they are going to choose the person that is the best match, and they are not going to call you to find out even though it not on your resume', your are the absolute perfect match . They will assume that because you didn't say Cisco, you don't have experience. Bad assumptions I know, but in a tight market this tends to happen. What will happen is the further investigation will happen to the 50 people that did put it on there resume. I'm sure that others will have even better information and job searching hints to provide to you so take them all in, figure out what is best for you and be persistent. Good luck to you in your search. Thanks Larry -Original Message- From: G Z [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868] I am persuing the written portion of the CCIE. I want to put this on my resume when the test is passed but it is not a certification in itself. There is no logical reason not to put it there as it shows additional knowledge and that is what the resume is for. But awhile back I think this topic was discussed but don't remember the particulars (I was not a CCNA at the time even). It seems to be like saying that you don't have a degree but have completed some college. Also where would this go on a resume? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, George Zutaut Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48900&t=48868 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868]
George, As someone who has been interviewing alot of candidates recently, I agree with Peter's point completely. Everyone I've ever interviewed with CCIE written on their resume has been a waste of my time, and most of them haven't done anything more to pursue the lab. When I see that, it is a big flashing red light that says grill this guy to make sure he knows what he claims too, because they always go on to list every networking acronym and buzz word (not to say this is you or anything, just my experience). Out of 12 or so interviews, I ended up hiring a guy with no Cisco certs because he could answer the techical questions regarding the technologies on his resume. If you have other Cisco certs on your resume, at some point in the interview the question of pursuing the CCIE will come up. And not that the written doesn't say something about a candidate, but almost anyone can read the books and regurgitate them on a multiple choice exam. The written is a qualification exam, nothing more. Chris Harshman Sr. Systems Engineer Northrop Grumman IT Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48924&t=48868 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868]
>From experience speaking I put my COMPLETED certifications on the resume. On the cover email I do list some of the certs. NP/DP etc.. but I also put CCIE(lab candidate). To just show that I am pursuing it. I do not need the IE, the resume speaks for itself so when potential clients ask, I am doing if for the challenge, and it shows I continue to train and invest in myself. It is fun but somewhat boring going over the legacy stuff I havent touched in years. I will probably get my butt kicked in the lab soon but so what. My track record is all that really matters. As for the newbie or Jr./Mid level person working his/her way up listing it this way is an honest and helpful method since the recruiting agencies or HR search engines pick up(sort) your resume by buzz words. For companies willing to take on a JR level person who is at least a lab candidate you do not want to be missed. There are some job reqs. that state this CCIE or lab candidates apply especially for FT opportunities from a VAR or systems integrator. Better for them to hire someone already with the written passed and some experience and help sponsor them for the lab and potentially helping the VAR out in partner status as apposed doing this from the start. Why miss out on these potential opportunities for long term career growth if you are passed over because of a stupid buzz word search... Just be honest with yourself and you should be fine. If you get grilled by some lazy prima donna who has been in the same position forever just roll with it and learn from the experience I remember doing just this when I was a CNE ten years ago and I needed to hire staff for projects temp or perm. I stated any CNE candidates welcomed. This worked well depending on the role and I met/hired some good folks. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48935&t=48868 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868]
Thanks all for the constructive response, these where the kind of answers that I needed. George Zutaut Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48938&t=48868 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868]
One thing that I've seen that works well is to list that you are scheduled to take the CCIE lab on xx/xx/. That lets a prospective employer know that you are at least scheduled. Frank Jimenez, CCIE #5738 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of G Z Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868] I am persuing the written portion of the CCIE. I want to put this on my resume when the test is passed but it is not a certification in itself. There is no logical reason not to put it there as it shows additional knowledge and that is what the resume is for. But awhile back I think this topic was discussed but don't remember the particulars (I was not a CCNA at the time even). It seems to be like saying that you don't have a degree but have completed some college. Also where would this go on a resume? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, George Zutaut Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48911&t=48868 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868]
I'll second that approach... -Eric - Original Message - From: "Frank Jimenez" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:56 AM Subject: RE: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868] > One thing that I've seen that works well is to list that you are > scheduled to take the CCIE lab on xx/xx/. That lets a prospective > employer know that you are at least scheduled. > > Frank Jimenez, CCIE #5738 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of > G Z > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CCIE written on resume? [7:48868] > > > I am persuing the written portion of the CCIE. I want to put this on my > resume when the test is passed but it is not a certification in itself. > There is no logical reason not to put it there as it shows additional > knowledge and that is what the resume is for. But awhile back I think > this topic was discussed but don't remember the particulars (I was not a > CCNA at the time even). It seems to be like saying that you don't have a > degree but have completed some college. Also where would this go on a > resume? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, >George Zutaut Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=48949&t=48868 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
