Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job
Great opinion, TyRhon144000. Exactly what I have been doing and I have got good results... ""TyRhon144000"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 000b01bfc7c2$ba30b3c0$a896113f@0016553832">news:000b01bfc7c2$ba30b3c0$a896113f@0016553832... > > - Original Message - > From: "TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > > > Don't feel bad. You just have to persevere that's all. When you try for a > > job, you should list your skills, what you KNOW. When you go for an > > interview, and if they ask you something that you do not know tell them. > > Since you do have routers you can get some hands-on, you just have to > > enhance your skills, and they will get better with time. Look at it this > > way, when you learn to play an instrument the more you practice the better > > you get, and when you practice a lot, like to the point when you get sick > of > > it, you can play it in your sleep. > > A lot of people feel that people who are certified without experience are > > less qualified, but I feel that when you get certified it definitely > proves > > that you: (1) Understand the material, and (2)you know how to perform > > certain configurations. But in the real world, you need to know how and > when > > to use different configurations and how to make them work with other > > technologies. > > But being certified is definitely a plus. Your only handicap is that, you > do > > not know certain things. For instance, let's say you are working with a T1 > > line on your serial interface, and it's not up and running, how do you > > troubleshoot it, in fact what would be the first thing you would do? Now > to > > a CCNA (or CCNP, for that matter) with no experience, he would probrably > be > > perplexed, but with something like that, the interviewer would figure that > > you don't know anything. (Which really is not your problem but his. :0) > > To anyone just starting out, I strongly suggest that you get to know > people > > who are working in the field, and find out what are the most marketable > > skills. Even when you are going on the interview, and it seems like it > isn't > > going well and you think you might not get the job, ask the interviewer > for > > some suggestions. Ask him how he got started, and what would he suggest > for > > a newcomer to do. > > Bottom line is this; the industry is starving. A few places, are smart and > > are willing to train, but for the most part, schedules are so tight that > the > > companies want you to be able to work on your own from day one. Hence the > > paper certification. In a perfect world once you get certified, someone > > would take you under his wing, and help you enhance your skills; but this > is > > not a perfect world, this is a "DOG EAT DOG" world. Your playing with the > > big boy's now. > > All-in-all you are on the right track, always remember this saying, > > "Forwards ever, backwards never". No matter what anyone say's, DO NOT GO > > BACK and start over, (ie. get your A+, or CNA). Just keep moving forward. > > I have heard of one "paper CCIE" who is only 23 yrs. old. He had a friend > > who had a home lab, he banged away on the equipment, and was able to make > > heads and tails of the material, and successfully PASSED the CCIE, and is > > currently working. Can you imagine how good he will be in XX amount of > > years? > > So stay by the things that you have learned and you will get better, get > > your CCNP, but don't market yourself as a CCNP, just put CCNA on your > > resume, and if you get the job THEN say I've got my CCNP. It's always a > > little better to be over qualified. > > Hope I have helped > > Ty > > - Original Message - > > From: "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:52 PM > > Subject: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > > > > > > the biggest problem I have, is finding a job where I can gain > experience > > > with cisco routers. I have had 3 prior jobs dealing with PC's and > > internet > > > tech support but it's pretty tough to get my foot in the door with just > a > > > CCNA. My goal here is to just be able to get a job, and what I'm > > wondering > > > is if a CCNP will land me one, because it seems like the ccna
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- Original Message - From: "TyRhon144000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > Don't feel bad. You just have to persevere that's all. When you try for a > job, you should list your skills, what you KNOW. When you go for an > interview, and if they ask you something that you do not know tell them. > Since you do have routers you can get some hands-on, you just have to > enhance your skills, and they will get better with time. Look at it this > way, when you learn to play an instrument the more you practice the better > you get, and when you practice a lot, like to the point when you get sick of > it, you can play it in your sleep. > A lot of people feel that people who are certified without experience are > less qualified, but I feel that when you get certified it definitely proves > that you: (1) Understand the material, and (2)you know how to perform > certain configurations. But in the real world, you need to know how and when > to use different configurations and how to make them work with other > technologies. > But being certified is definitely a plus. Your only handicap is that, you do > not know certain things. For instance, let's say you are working with a T1 > line on your serial interface, and it's not up and running, how do you > troubleshoot it, in fact what would be the first thing you would do? Now to > a CCNA (or CCNP, for that matter) with no experience, he would probrably be > perplexed, but with something like that, the interviewer would figure that > you don't know anything. (Which really is not your problem but his. :0) > To anyone just starting out, I strongly suggest that you get to know people > who are working in the field, and find out what are the most marketable > skills. Even when you are going on the interview, and it seems like it isn't > going well and you think you might not get the job, ask the interviewer for > some suggestions. Ask him how he got started, and what would he suggest for > a newcomer to do. > Bottom line is this; the industry is starving. A few places, are smart and > are willing to train, but for the most part, schedules are so tight that the > companies want you to be able to work on your own from day one. Hence the > paper certification. In a perfect world once you get certified, someone > would take you under his wing, and help you enhance your skills; but this is > not a perfect world, this is a "DOG EAT DOG" world. Your playing with the > big boy's now. > All-in-all you are on the right track, always remember this saying, > "Forwards ever, backwards never". No matter what anyone say's, DO NOT GO > BACK and start over, (ie. get your A+, or CNA). Just keep moving forward. > I have heard of one "paper CCIE" who is only 23 yrs. old. He had a friend > who had a home lab, he banged away on the equipment, and was able to make > heads and tails of the material, and successfully PASSED the CCIE, and is > currently working. Can you imagine how good he will be in XX amount of > years? > So stay by the things that you have learned and you will get better, get > your CCNP, but don't market yourself as a CCNP, just put CCNA on your > resume, and if you get the job THEN say I've got my CCNP. It's always a > little better to be over qualified. > Hope I have helped > Ty > - Original Message - > From: "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > > > the biggest problem I have, is finding a job where I can gain experience > > with cisco routers. I have had 3 prior jobs dealing with PC's and > internet > > tech support but it's pretty tough to get my foot in the door with just a > > CCNA. My goal here is to just be able to get a job, and what I'm > wondering > > is if a CCNP will land me one, because it seems like the ccna wont really > > help much here. Not necessarily one that will pay me a good lump but one > > where I can at least start to get some experience with routers. currently > I > > only have a 2501 here at home that my parents got for me. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dollard Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'K Sacca'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:24 AM > > Subject: RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > > > > > Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at cisco) > &
RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job
Experience is very important in the CISCO world, but it is nearly impossible to find companies willing to hire you without experience, that is where the certifications come in handy,it at least gets you the interview,
Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job
Please folks, let's not have this group degenerate into "papers" vs. "hands on" ala the MCSE groups. Of course real world is better, but paper can't hurt either. Thing is not to project oneself as something they are not. I have my CCNA and I readily admit I can't be thrown into the router world. But that paper, along with my admin experience will get me into networking I'm sure. And when I am hired on a network team I am fully prepared to be at the bottom of the ladder doing grunt work again. Sammi ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Definately , Have Experience . Quick story then ill stop . I have been mocked for a few months on why it has taken me 9 months + just to get to my CIT exam ( final 1) for CCNP . My answer was if i had to fix a problem and did not know how to fix it then i would loose my job . I didnt want to have such credentials without the skills to back them UP . Now since i devoted my time and have 5+ yrs in WAN and 7 in LAN all the pieces are fitting togeather . Without hands-on i would be a paper certified book reader. WOW how much Can you make as a Certified Book Readed. Just my 2 cents . Sorry if i offended anyone but the truth is . Dont be a fake !.. Also Thanks to The LISt that has helped me in numerous ways in the past and will in the future . Good Luck everyone ! >From: The Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Dollard Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job >Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:13:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Dollard, > >You've got a point. I think everyone on the list would >agree that nothing can buy experience. It's >invaluable. But how do you expect one to get >experience when your job is limited to network & >desktop support with an ocassional router install? Do >you expect us all to get Cisco to employ us & give us >the experience? It's a catch-22. Employers only want >experienced people but not willing to give potential >employees with paper CCNA, CCNP, for example, a chance >to get that valuable experience. I guess that makes >privileged people like yourself more invaluable and >your job more secured. > >--- Dollard Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at > > cisco) > > > > the other ken, yammy, > > im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame > > you before you do > > something stupid. > > DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of > > stuff, that ruined microsoft > > certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will > > eventually ruin the CCNP. on > > top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing > > the ccnp if you have > > work experinence and get real life exposure to > > networking. > > i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the > > ccie now, and i'd love to > > see my certs keep their value and not get > > devalorized because some ppl think > > its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its > > not, its a hard and > > demanding job, theres always something to learn, and > > always networks with > > problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in > > case you didnt know, if > > cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on > > your part, they can > > revoke your certification. please do yourself a > > favor by getting experience, > > your employer might pay ur certs after that, with > > training, and you'll wa > > ste less time on your own doing so. > > Morgan > > PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is > > free to do so, i > > guarantee it wont look pretty in the end. > > I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf > > he was talking about, > > and i hope for the others out there i never meet one > > again. > > > > > > > > > -Message d'origine- > > > De: K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26 > > > À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Objet:Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > > > > > Ken > > > > > > I received my CCNP almost two months ago. About 2 > > > weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing > > off > > > my resume everywhere. I received a call from > > Cisco, > > > as they were interested in my background. I > > passed > > > the phone screening, then passed the brutal face > > to > > > face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people. I'm > > now > > > working with the IOS WAN Test team. Before this > > job, > > > I had about 10 years of experience with desktop > > > computers, network servers and Microsoft products. > > I > > > had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE. I made the switch to > > > Cisco as I see problems down the road for > > Microsoft. > > > I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a > > CCNP. > > > > > > > > > Now the task of getting a CCIE should be > > achievable > > > since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded > > with >
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Dollard, You've got a point. I think everyone on the list would agree that nothing can buy experience. It's invaluable. But how do you expect one to get experience when your job is limited to network & desktop support with an ocassional router install? Do you expect us all to get Cisco to employ us & give us the experience? It's a catch-22. Employers only want experienced people but not willing to give potential employees with paper CCNA, CCNP, for example, a chance to get that valuable experience. I guess that makes privileged people like yourself more invaluable and your job more secured. --- Dollard Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at > cisco) > > the other ken, yammy, > im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame > you before you do > something stupid. > DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of > stuff, that ruined microsoft > certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will > eventually ruin the CCNP. on > top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing > the ccnp if you have > work experinence and get real life exposure to > networking. > i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the > ccie now, and i'd love to > see my certs keep their value and not get > devalorized because some ppl think > its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its > not, its a hard and > demanding job, theres always something to learn, and > always networks with > problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in > case you didnt know, if > cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on > your part, they can > revoke your certification. please do yourself a > favor by getting experience, > your employer might pay ur certs after that, with > training, and you'll wa > ste less time on your own doing so. > Morgan > PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is > free to do so, i > guarantee it wont look pretty in the end. > I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf > he was talking about, > and i hope for the others out there i never meet one > again. > > > > > -Message d'origine- > > De: K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26 > > À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Objet: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > > > Ken > > > > I received my CCNP almost two months ago. About 2 > > weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing > off > > my resume everywhere. I received a call from > Cisco, > > as they were interested in my background. I > passed > > the phone screening, then passed the brutal face > to > > face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people. I'm > now > > working with the IOS WAN Test team. Before this > job, > > I had about 10 years of experience with desktop > > computers, network servers and Microsoft products. > I > > had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE. I made the switch to > > Cisco as I see problems down the road for > Microsoft. > > I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a > CCNP. > > > > > > Now the task of getting a CCIE should be > achievable > > since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded > with > > seven routers. > > > > Good Luck. > > Ken > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu... > > > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job > without > > > prior work experience > > > with routers and such? I'm debating this issue > with > > > my girfriend. She > > > thinks that job experience is more important, > and > > > that I should be looking > > > for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, > > > don't think I can find much > > > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a > > > CCNP, but I'm not quite > > > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. > Any > > > help would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > >-ken > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations > to > > [EMAIL PR
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the biggest problem I have, is finding a job where I can gain experience with cisco routers. I have had 3 prior jobs dealing with PC's and internet tech support but it's pretty tough to get my foot in the door with just a CCNA. My goal here is to just be able to get a job, and what I'm wondering is if a CCNP will land me one, because it seems like the ccna wont really help much here. Not necessarily one that will pay me a good lump but one where I can at least start to get some experience with routers. currently I only have a 2501 here at home that my parents got for me. - Original Message - From: "Dollard Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'K Sacca'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:24 AM Subject: RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at cisco) the other ken, yammy, im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame you before you do something stupid. DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of stuff, that ruined microsoft certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will eventually ruin the CCNP. on top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing the ccnp if you have work experinence and get real life exposure to networking. i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the ccie now, and i'd love to see my certs keep their value and not get devalorized because some ppl think its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its not, its a hard and demanding job, theres always something to learn, and always networks with problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in case you didnt know, if cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on your part, they can revoke your certification. please do yourself a favor by getting experience, your employer might pay ur certs after that, with training, and you'll wa ste less time on your own doing so. Morgan PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is free to do so, i guarantee it wont look pretty in the end. I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf he was talking about, and i hope for the others out there i never meet one again. > -Message d'origine- > De: K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26 > À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > Ken > > I received my CCNP almost two months ago. About 2 > weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing off > my resume everywhere. I received a call from Cisco, > as they were interested in my background. I passed > the phone screening, then passed the brutal face to > face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people. I'm now > working with the IOS WAN Test team. Before this job, > I had about 10 years of experience with desktop > computers, network servers and Microsoft products. I > had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE. I made the switch to > Cisco as I see problems down the road for Microsoft. > I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a CCNP. > > > Now the task of getting a CCIE should be achievable > since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded with > seven routers. > > Good Luck. > Ken > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu... > > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without > > prior work experience > > with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with > > my girfriend. She > > thinks that job experience is more important, and > > that I should be looking > > for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, > > don't think I can find much > > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a > > CCNP, but I'm not quite > > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any > > help would be > > appreciated. > > > > > >-ken > > > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, what I am trying to do is get more theory doing the CCNP to have chances to get a job like K Sacca described. I also got a phone interview and I was successfull. During the face-to-face interview with 7 persons I failed: most of questions were beyond CCNA level, and I think that I could make it if I had achieved the CCNP knowledge. Of course a degree and client-server experience and hands-on in the labs would be an asset a job like that. "Dollard Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at cisco) > > the other ken, yammy, > im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame you before you do > something stupid. > DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of stuff, that ruined microsoft > certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will eventually ruin the CCNP. on > top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing the ccnp if you have > work experinence and get real life exposure to networking. > i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the ccie now, and i'd love to > see my certs keep their value and not get devalorized because some ppl think > its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its not, its a hard and > demanding job, theres always something to learn, and always networks with > problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in case you didnt know, if > cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on your part, they can > revoke your certification. please do yourself a favor by getting experience, > your employer might pay ur certs after that, with training, and you'll wa > ste less time on your own doing so. > Morgan > PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is free to do so, i > guarantee it wont look pretty in the end. > I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf he was talking about, > and i hope for the others out there i never meet one again. > > > > > -Message d'origine- > > De: K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26 > > À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Objet: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > > > Ken > > > > I received my CCNP almost two months ago. About 2 > > weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing off > > my resume everywhere. I received a call from Cisco, > > as they were interested in my background. I passed > > the phone screening, then passed the brutal face to > > face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people. I'm now > > working with the IOS WAN Test team. Before this job, > > I had about 10 years of experience with desktop > > computers, network servers and Microsoft products. I > > had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE. I made the switch to > > Cisco as I see problems down the road for Microsoft. > > I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a CCNP. > > > > > > Now the task of getting a CCIE should be achievable > > since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded with > > seven routers. > > > > Good Luck. > > Ken > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu... > > > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without > > > prior work experience > > > with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with > > > my girfriend. She > > > thinks that job experience is more important, and > > > that I should be looking > > > for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, > > > don't think I can find much > > > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a > > > CCNP, but I'm not quite > > > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any > > > help would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > >-ken > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > > http://www.groupstudy.com > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There are three types of IT people: those with certs and no experience; those with both; those without certs but with experience. Obviously those with both will command the most responsibility and money; those with experience/no certs will command a little less; and those with just certs will command even less. Are you the kind of person that believes you should be paid well for your certifications? Or are you a person who understands that "everyone must pay their dues?" A CCNP/no experience probably won't start at entry level but will be close. A CCNA/no experience will be entry level. Either way, if you apply yourself, you'll advance quickly (more quickly if you're a CCNP first). What it's going to boil down to is, your girlfriend is right (in my opinion): you should start as soon as you can gaining experience. Experience only makes the certifications easier and job prospects brighter. Now if YOU have a problem being known as entry-level (and some people without experience do sometimes think they should get paid as well as those with experience), then that's a personal issue you must deal with. And that'll make your goals much harder to accomplish. -Original Message- From: ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 2:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCNP and chances of finding a job What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without prior work experience with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with my girfriend. She thinks that job experience is more important, and that I should be looking for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, don't think I can find much of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a CCNP, but I'm not quite sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any help would be appreciated. -ken ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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thank you, im glad some1 apreciates my thoughts on this. I take it your one of the smart people who will work hard for their certification, and make it all the way. anyways, one thing i forgot to mention, is that the day those ppl who dont have work experience will try to go for their CCIE, they will feel the pain, of all that lack of knowledge and kow how, because that is the ultimate test, one you cant dump your way out of. Morgan > -Message d'origine- > De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 15:16 > À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet: RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > Amen to all that! > > Roger > CCNA > > -Original Message- > From: Dollard Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:25 AM > To: 'K Sacca'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > > Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at cisco) > > the other ken, yammy, > im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame you before you do > something stupid. > DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of stuff, that ruined > microsoft > certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will eventually ruin the CCNP. on > top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing the ccnp if you have > work experinence and get real life exposure to networking. > i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the ccie now, and i'd love > to > see my certs keep their value and not get devalorized because some ppl > think > its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its not, its a hard and > demanding job, theres always something to learn, and always networks with > problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in case you didnt know, > if > cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on your part, they can > revoke your certification. please do yourself a favor by getting > experience, > your employer might pay ur certs after that, with training, and you'll wa > ste less time on your own doing so. > Morgan > PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is free to do so, i > guarantee it wont look pretty in the end. > I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf he was talking about, > and i hope for the others out there i never meet one again. > > > > > -----Message d'origine- > > De: K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26 > > À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Objet: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > > > Ken > > > > I received my CCNP almost two months ago. About 2 > > weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing off > > my resume everywhere. I received a call from Cisco, > > as they were interested in my background. I passed > > the phone screening, then passed the brutal face to > > face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people. I'm now > > working with the IOS WAN Test team. Before this job, > > I had about 10 years of experience with desktop > > computers, network servers and Microsoft products. I > > had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE. I made the switch to > > Cisco as I see problems down the road for Microsoft. > > I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a CCNP. > > > > > > Now the task of getting a CCIE should be achievable > > since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded with > > seven routers. > > > > Good Luck. > > Ken > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu... > > > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without > > > prior work experience > > > with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with > > > my girfriend. She > > > thinks that job experience is more important, and > > > that I should be looking > > > for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, > > > don't think I can find much > > > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a > > > CCNP, but I'm not quite > > > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any > > > help would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > >-ken > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: &
RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job
Amen to all that! Roger CCNA -Original Message- From: Dollard Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 2:25 AM To: 'K Sacca'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at cisco) the other ken, yammy, im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame you before you do something stupid. DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of stuff, that ruined microsoft certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will eventually ruin the CCNP. on top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing the ccnp if you have work experinence and get real life exposure to networking. i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the ccie now, and i'd love to see my certs keep their value and not get devalorized because some ppl think its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its not, its a hard and demanding job, theres always something to learn, and always networks with problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in case you didnt know, if cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on your part, they can revoke your certification. please do yourself a favor by getting experience, your employer might pay ur certs after that, with training, and you'll wa ste less time on your own doing so. Morgan PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is free to do so, i guarantee it wont look pretty in the end. I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf he was talking about, and i hope for the others out there i never meet one again. > -Message d'origine- > De: K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26 > À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet:Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > Ken > > I received my CCNP almost two months ago. About 2 > weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing off > my resume everywhere. I received a call from Cisco, > as they were interested in my background. I passed > the phone screening, then passed the brutal face to > face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people. I'm now > working with the IOS WAN Test team. Before this job, > I had about 10 years of experience with desktop > computers, network servers and Microsoft products. I > had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE. I made the switch to > Cisco as I see problems down the road for Microsoft. > I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a CCNP. > > > Now the task of getting a CCIE should be achievable > since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded with > seven routers. > > Good Luck. > Ken > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu... > > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without > > prior work experience > > with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with > > my girfriend. She > > thinks that job experience is more important, and > > that I should be looking > > for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, > > don't think I can find much > > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a > > CCNP, but I'm not quite > > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any > > help would be > > appreciated. > > > > > >-ken > > > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My opinion is that the certification gets you the interview. Knowledge and experience get you the job. I took the find a job and learn the experience route and it has worked for me. David Toalson 816-701-4142 > -- > From: ken[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Reply To: ken > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without prior work > experience with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with my > girfriend. She thinks that job experience is more important, and that > I should be looking for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, > don't think I can find much of a job with just a CCNA and would rather > get a CCNP, but I'm not quite sure if just a CCNP by itself can land > me a job. Any help would be appreciated. > > > -ken > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNP and chances of finding a job
Ken, WOW, congrats for that :) (thats the ken at cisco) the other ken, yammy, im sorry before hand, but im going to have to flame you before you do something stupid. DONT GET UR CCNP without exp. thats the kind of stuff, that ruined microsoft certs, thats ruining the CCNA, and that will eventually ruin the CCNP. on top of that, you'll have a much easier time passing the ccnp if you have work experinence and get real life exposure to networking. i worked hard to get my ccnp, and im going for the ccie now, and i'd love to see my certs keep their value and not get devalorized because some ppl think its the easy road to getting the pot of gold. its not, its a hard and demanding job, theres always something to learn, and always networks with problems. a CCNP is expected certain things, and in case you didnt know, if cisco receives complaints about incompetent work on your part, they can revoke your certification. please do yourself a favor by getting experience, your employer might pay ur certs after that, with training, and you'll wa ste less time on your own doing so. Morgan PS, any1 who wishes to flame me on this subject is free to do so, i guarantee it wont look pretty in the end. I've met one CCNP that had no exp and didnt know wtf he was talking about, and i hope for the others out there i never meet one again. > -Message d'origine- > De: K Sacca [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Date: jeudi 25 mai 2000 03:26 > À:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet: Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job > > Ken > > I received my CCNP almost two months ago. About 2 > weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing off > my resume everywhere. I received a call from Cisco, > as they were interested in my background. I passed > the phone screening, then passed the brutal face to > face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people. I'm now > working with the IOS WAN Test team. Before this job, > I had about 10 years of experience with desktop > computers, network servers and Microsoft products. I > had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE. I made the switch to > Cisco as I see problems down the road for Microsoft. > I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a CCNP. > > > Now the task of getting a CCIE should be achievable > since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded with > seven routers. > > Good Luck. > Ken > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu... > > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without > > prior work experience > > with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with > > my girfriend. She > > thinks that job experience is more important, and > > that I should be looking > > for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, > > don't think I can find much > > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a > > CCNP, but I'm not quite > > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any > > help would be > > appreciated. > > > > > >-ken > > > > > > > > ___ > > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP and chances of finding a job
Ken I received my CCNP almost two months ago. About 2 weeks after receiving the cert, I started firing off my resume everywhere. I received a call from Cisco, as they were interested in my background. I passed the phone screening, then passed the brutal face to face interviews at Cisco with about 7 people. I'm now working with the IOS WAN Test team. Before this job, I had about 10 years of experience with desktop computers, network servers and Microsoft products. I had a MCSE and a Compaq ASE. I made the switch to Cisco as I see problems down the road for Microsoft. I think Sprint Paranet will also hire you with a CCNP. Now the task of getting a CCIE should be achievable since Cisco gave me my very own testbed loaded with seven routers. Good Luck. Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu... > What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without > prior work experience > with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with > my girfriend. She > thinks that job experience is more important, and > that I should be looking > for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, > don't think I can find much > of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a > CCNP, but I'm not quite > sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any > help would be > appreciated. > > >-ken > > > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chances? Probably okay. You wouldn't make a whole lot of $$$ but you could probably find someone that would hire you with a CCNP...go get your CCIE without and experience...now that would be cool! If you could do that, I'd hire you! ttyl, -Brad "ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu">news:000e01bfc5c5$bfdfaf00$0201a8c0@isamu... What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without prior work experience with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with my girfriend. She thinks that job experience is more important, and that I should be looking for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, don't think I can find much of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a CCNP, but I'm not quite sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any help would be appreciated. -ken ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCNP and chances of finding a job
What are the chances of a CCNP finding a job without prior work experience with routers and such? I'm debating this issue with my girfriend. She thinks that job experience is more important, and that I should be looking for a job to move me up. I, on the other hand, don't think I can find much of a job with just a CCNA and would rather get a CCNP, but I'm not quite sure if just a CCNP by itself can land me a job. Any help would be appreciated. -ken
