Drive, Motivation and Determination !!!!!!!!
lets face it. Any Certification that has no lab can be obtained by an average person with ENOUGH study. The CCIE can be passed if one has access to the right equipment. There is NEVER a need to take a class or have real experience. . .unless of course you actually want to be good at your job. Having said that, merely obtaining a cert like the CCNP or MCSE or CCNA is of some value depending on the depth of the job one needs to perform and the ability of an individual to translate theory into practice. Some people can do this better than others, but it depends on the individual and have much drive, motivation and determination one has. In the end, it is drive, motivation and determination that makes anyone good at whatever it is they do. . .Cert or not, degree or not, smart or average. From: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone achieve their CCIE through self study not from work! Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:02:35 -0400 So your telling us you got your CCNP with no experience at all? I seriously hope not. Rishard ""Wind"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hiya; Now I finished my CCNP. I should go for the CCIE, otherwise my ccnp status is just a paperwork. I just wondering does CCIE can be earned through self study, not from working with system integrator? Thanks Vincent ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Drive, Motivation and Determination !!!!!!!!
I totally agree with you Terrence. I do not have the opportunity to work with Cisco Products except AccessPro cards (2). I also just started my own consulting firm, so it is not easy to be able to buy the right equipment to paractice on. (NO $ available right now) I have other certs CNE (3,4,5), MCSE, A+ where I get to practice my skills everyday. I also have CCA but do not get to work on Citrix anymore. Not a lot of firms know about this product Citrix doesn't even have a demo version for labs. All they provide is a virtual demo room in FLA. There is also a time factor. I dedicate my time to working and trying to build a customer base. The time that I can spend in my lab is minimal. When you decide to study certification like Cisco it would be nice that Cisco would let us use their lab. After all we are supporting their products. Wouldn't it make sense for them to want certified people that at least saw their products (inside and out) and have minimal hands on? When I first started this certification I phone my local Cisco office and asked them if they had a lab I could use. I was turned away as if I was crazy. How is a person suppose to get real hands on in Edmonton Alberta? After I get more knowledge (books) I will try to give my time freely to get some experience. Just my two cents. ""Terrence Garrison"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... lets face it. Any Certification that has no lab can be obtained by an average person with ENOUGH study. The CCIE can be passed if one has access to the right equipment. There is NEVER a need to take a class or have real experience. . .unless of course you actually want to be good at your job. Having said that, merely obtaining a cert like the CCNP or MCSE or CCNA is of some value depending on the depth of the job one needs to perform and the ability of an individual to translate theory into practice. Some people can do this better than others, but it depends on the individual and have much drive, motivation and determination one has. In the end, it is drive, motivation and determination that makes anyone good at whatever it is they do. . .Cert or not, degree or not, smart or average. From: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone achieve their CCIE through self study not from work! Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:02:35 -0400 So your telling us you got your CCNP with no experience at all? I seriously hope not. Rishard ""Wind"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hiya; Now I finished my CCNP. I should go for the CCIE, otherwise my ccnp status is just a paperwork. I just wondering does CCIE can be earned through self study, not from working with system integrator? Thanks Vincent ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Drive, Motivation and Determination !!!!!!!!
Daniel - since you just started your own consulting firm, become a Cisco reseller. Once you get a few entry level certs (CCNA, CCDA, Sales Expert), you will find that Cisco will be very accomodating in terms of resources and practice labs, etc. They offer a lot of stuff to their partners to help them get certified. Right now they have a promotion where partners can take certification classes at $500 instead of the usual $1200 - $1800... There is even a special 2 for 1 deal (2 classes for $500). Cisco has a program called ASET (Advanced System Engineer Training) which you can take in San Jose. It looks and feels just like the actual lab exam, except that there is a CCIE there to help you, and you can talk amongst the others there to find solutiuons to the problems you encounter... Become a Cisco partner - it is worth the effort... Dale [=`) From: "Daniel Boutet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Daniel Boutet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Drive, Motivation and Determination Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 07:50:06 -0600 I totally agree with you Terrence. I do not have the opportunity to work with Cisco Products except AccessPro cards (2). I also just started my own consulting firm, so it is not easy to be able to buy the right equipment to paractice on. (NO $ available right now) I have other certs CNE (3,4,5), MCSE, A+ where I get to practice my skills everyday. I also have CCA but do not get to work on Citrix anymore. Not a lot of firms know about this product Citrix doesn't even have a demo version for labs. All they provide is a virtual demo room in FLA. There is also a time factor. I dedicate my time to working and trying to build a customer base. The time that I can spend in my lab is minimal. When you decide to study certification like Cisco it would be nice that Cisco would let us use their lab. After all we are supporting their products. Wouldn't it make sense for them to want certified people that at least saw their products (inside and out) and have minimal hands on? When I first started this certification I phone my local Cisco office and asked them if they had a lab I could use. I was turned away as if I was crazy. How is a person suppose to get real hands on in Edmonton Alberta? After I get more knowledge (books) I will try to give my time freely to get some experience. Just my two cents. ""Terrence Garrison"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... lets face it. Any Certification that has no lab can be obtained by an average person with ENOUGH study. The CCIE can be passed if one has access to the right equipment. There is NEVER a need to take a class or have real experience. . .unless of course you actually want to be good at your job. Having said that, merely obtaining a cert like the CCNP or MCSE or CCNA is of some value depending on the depth of the job one needs to perform and the ability of an individual to translate theory into practice. Some people can do this better than others, but it depends on the individual and have much drive, motivation and determination one has. In the end, it is drive, motivation and determination that makes anyone good at whatever it is they do. . .Cert or not, degree or not, smart or average. From: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone achieve their CCIE through self study not from work! Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:02:35 -0400 So your telling us you got your CCNP with no experience at all? I seriously hope not. Rishard ""Wind"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hiya; Now I finished my CCNP. I should go for the CCIE, otherwise my ccnp status is just a paperwork. I just wondering does CCIE can be earned through self study, not from working with system integrator? Thanks Vincent ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been
Re: Drive, Motivation and Determination !!!!!!!!
It's too bad that you don't live in the northeast, Our local Cisco office has lots of hands on events for resellers that don't cost anything. The handouts and presentations are stored on the web site in ZIP format in the "Presentation/Document Archive" at http://www.cisco-resellers.com/ The schedules for the Reseller Hands On events are also there. I went to a lot of them from a reseller that only sold one router and one PIX in a six month period while I worked there. Vern Stitt ASE, CCA, CCNA, MCSE ""Daniel Boutet"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8par87$t5k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8par87$t5k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I totally agree with you Terrence. I do not have the opportunity to work with Cisco Products except AccessPro cards (2). I also just started my own consulting firm, so it is not easy to be able to buy the right equipment to paractice on. (NO $ available right now) I have other certs CNE (3,4,5), MCSE, A+ where I get to practice my skills everyday. I also have CCA but do not get to work on Citrix anymore. Not a lot of firms know about this product Citrix doesn't even have a demo version for labs. All they provide is a virtual demo room in FLA. There is also a time factor. I dedicate my time to working and trying to build a customer base. The time that I can spend in my lab is minimal. When you decide to study certification like Cisco it would be nice that Cisco would let us use their lab. After all we are supporting their products. Wouldn't it make sense for them to want certified people that at least saw their products (inside and out) and have minimal hands on? When I first started this certification I phone my local Cisco office and asked them if they had a lab I could use. I was turned away as if I was crazy. How is a person suppose to get real hands on in Edmonton Alberta? After I get more knowledge (books) I will try to give my time freely to get some experience. Just my two cents. ""Terrence Garrison"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... lets face it. Any Certification that has no lab can be obtained by an average person with ENOUGH study. The CCIE can be passed if one has access to the right equipment. There is NEVER a need to take a class or have real experience. . .unless of course you actually want to be good at your job. Having said that, merely obtaining a cert like the CCNP or MCSE or CCNA is of some value depending on the depth of the job one needs to perform and the ability of an individual to translate theory into practice. Some people can do this better than others, but it depends on the individual and have much drive, motivation and determination one has. In the end, it is drive, motivation and determination that makes anyone good at whatever it is they do. . .Cert or not, degree or not, smart or average. From: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Rishard Chapoteau" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone achieve their CCIE through self study not from work! Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:02:35 -0400 So your telling us you got your CCNP with no experience at all? I seriously hope not. Rishard ""Wind"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8p444d$q14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hiya; Now I finished my CCNP. I should go for the CCIE, otherwise my ccnp status is just a paperwork. I just wondering does CCIE can be earned through self study, not from working with system integrator? Thanks Vincent ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html
RE: Drive, Motivation and Determination !!!!!!!!
Daniel, In defence of our local Cisco office, I've watched our tiny office grow from a 1997 staff compliment of one (Account Manager), to the whopping grand total of five of today. I've seen Gerry do many extra-curriculur presentations to help people understand Cisco's marketplace offerings, even when he's about to drop from exhaustion from spending far too many nights fighting with something that SHOULD work for a customer. I popped in to their offices yesterday because I was in the neighborhood and needed some assurance with respect to an Cisco hardware issue that didn't concern them. Gerry dropped everything he was doing, checked on the status of the TAC case, and put my mind at ease. They're great guys. Hopefully now that Darryl's on board (Darryl's VERY knowledgeable about Cisco) Gerry's load will lighten substantially. When you're drop dead tired, you're not always at your best--but I've watched their interaction with all sorts of Cisco customers (small and large) and hav! e seen the guys try and be as accommodating as possible. I'm hoping that in an upcoming CertificationZone white paper, I'll be able to formally thank Gerry and Wayne (from the Calgary office) for all the Cisco User Group seminars they've put on through the years. They've played a major role in helping me bring up my knowledge level of Cisco, and stay interested because they're always presenting something new. -- Leigh Anne PS. I have no intention of ever working for Cisco in Alberta. (-: And I **KNOW** those guys are too busy to read this! (-: (-: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Daniel Boutet Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 11:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Drive, Motivation and Determination Dale, I do have my CCNA and I also wrote the BCRAN exam and I am on the verge of writing my Switching exam. I also have my CCO account and did get the Sales Tool Central cd. I had also ordered the Cisco product catalog prior to becoming a reseller. I also want to reinforced the fact that I am in Edmonton, Alberta CANADA (hey!) and that for me to take a hands-on instructor led course (I then get lab access for 5 days) it cost $2600 or so of canadian buckaroo. (which converted in US $ is about10 cases of Coors Lite ). Seeing the real thing and doing virtual lab is two different thing. I like to get down and dirty and practice till I know what I am doing. This has always been my priority. I always was able to afford Lan Hardware and software. But Cisco stuff is another thing. I know that there is tons of people in this situatiuon. They want to move from network administrator to internetworking and the only means to learn are BOOKS! I do understand that I will be a paper CCNP (my goal for now) and I will not be afraid to confirm my ignorance as far as hands-on. But I will understand the concepts and have a good understanding of the different required configurations. I have been reading almost all of the related emails in this group for close to two months now. As you can see I am dedicating my time to learning as best as I can with the resources that I have. To be fair to Cisco's local office, I have to say that after the "cold shower" they gave me the first time around, I haven't called them since. I feel that I should know a little more in order to be able to pinpoint better my hands-on needs. I will call them again soon. Hope that they are a little more cooperative. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
