Fwd: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com Received: from [202.144.27.171] by web8004.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Jan 2003 04:29:54 GMT Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 04:29:54 + (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Mr=20piyush=20shah?= Subject: Fwd: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1803 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/mixed by GroupStudy.com X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Dear all I thing it is now a real high time someone should take initiative in stoping the subject of CCIE vs BS or MS degree. Why are we here for ? to discuss and share problems faced on networking front or discusing whether BS is SUPERIOROR ccie . Let me tell you both the degreees are best in their unique ways . Who the heil are we to decide it's superioritY ? lIKE i MENTIONED WE ALL ARE INDIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE one whosoever raised this querry by getting involved in this question-answer forum . I thing we should stop it.There are lot many imp things on which we need to condcentrate more. Hope so the message is loud and clear to all those participant to these group . Regards Note: forwarded message attached. Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com; 03 Jan 2003 03:45:39 +0500 (IST) X-Track: 1: 100 Return-Path: Received: from groupstudy.com (66.220.63.9) by mta101.in.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jan 2003 03:45:37 +0500 (IST) Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30437; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:52:13 GMT Received: by groupstudy.com (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:16:19 + Received: (from listserver@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17958 GroupStudy Mailer; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:16:18 GMT Received: (from mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17954 GroupStudy Mailer; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:16:17 GMT Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 21:16:17 GMT From: l0stbyte X-GroupStudy-Version: 3.1.1a X-GroupStudy: Network Technical To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: l0stbyte Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 731 Ladrach, Daniel E. wrote: I have an MIS degree from The Ohio State University Max Fisher College of Business. I see some posts out there saying that a CS degree is no more than a vocational degree. Obviously this person has not been to college! College is not there to prepare you to step in and do a Sr. Engineer job, it is there to give you a base understanding of IT. I however, have a business degree with an IT focus. So, when you have been through the classes I have you form a level of respect for anyone who has been down the same road. When the CCIE gets as challenging as the following let me know. Calculus Physics Finance Accounting Economics CS-programming CS-operating systems CS-networking Daniel Ladrach CCNA, CCNP WorldCom All of the listed should be thought in high school. Unless it's some kind of quantum programming (is it still a concept?), CCIE should be by far more challenging. My two cents.. :) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60201t=59481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
It is amazing to me how some individuals feel that they have a right to have their questions answered. This without even indicating that they have done any independent research on their own prior to querying the list. Oh well, Happy Holidays to all, and to all a good night! Prof. Tom Lisa, CCAI Community College of Southern Nevada Cisco ATC/Regional Networking Academy Cunctando restituit rem Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: At 1:37 PM + 12/20/02, Mr piyush shah wrote: Dear friends It has been quite long that I have been hearing whether CCIE is superior or MS. I thing it is high time we should wrap the topic.I dont understand ,whether why this forum for ? It should b a purely technical. For a typically type of questioning like this, there are resposes which lasts for weeks but there are some questions for whom nobody seems to be bothered ? There was a queation which was thrown on this on TACACS ACS whether What could the issue that I am able to authenticate and not authorisation ,not a single person on this site bothered to answered ,not even Priscilla . Let's consider whether people bother to respond. First, remember that everyone who does so is volunteering their time. They are not a substitute for the TAC or reference materials. Have you considered that at the time you asked the question, Priscilla might be on vacation, another expert has limited list access while on business travel (perhaps behind a strict firewall), and two others are trying to finish projects for which they are paid? The latter might scan the list, but not have 10-30 minutes to write a post. Indeed, many of those experts do not have the answer memorized, but would have to look it up -- admittedly much faster than would a beginner. Which sounds to be very starnge. There are so many people who r new to networking tech ,hence comes with some querry which might b stupid to some of our colleages but pls ensure that u were also like them during your initial phase , The following is not meant to be a put-down, but a reality of how some people started in networking technology. I was first responsible for a network in 1970, using Bell 100 series modems (300 bps) to a PDP-11 running critical medical applications. Most links were acoustically coupled dialups, but we did have a few dedicated lines (again at 300 bps). With about 10 user ports on the machine, we sometimes just ran out. Since one of the dedicated lines was only needed for backups at night, and another for reporting, I realized I could switch them to dialup during the day. There was no Black Box Catalog or the like. I needed to get a copy of RS-232 and learn the wiring, decide how many pins I had to switch, go to the electronics store and get an appropriate rotary switch and other components, and physically build the box, soldering the wires to the switch. I made some incorrect assumptions the first time, and had to use electronic test instruments to find what I had done wrong -- it turned out I wasn't clear about the functions of the Pin 1 and Pin 7 grounds. At the same time all of this was going on, I was the head of software development for the medical applications, so needed to both design, write, and manage development, as well as researching expert system rules for blood banking and clinical chemistry. So no, not everyone had the luxury of a list or even colleagues. hence try to rectify the querry rather than spending your precious time on stupid questions like ccie is superior or MS , what is the salary of CCIE ? And I will be perfectly honest. Sometimes, I may be in a hurry when reading the list, and there's a stupid question that I can answer from personal experience. Even when I answer a technical question with which I am very familiar, I often check the documentation -- Cisco or IETF -- to be sure I'm referring to the right document. On another list, for example, there was a DNS question. I knew the answer was in RFC 1033, 1034, or 1035, but wasn't sure which, and didn't have time to look it up. I cited the three documents, and said I _thought_ it was 1034. Looking it up later, it was 1035. I hope the message is clear to everybody Regards PIYUSH Note: forwarded message attached. Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com; 20 Dec 2002 07:36:38 +0500 (IST) Return-Path: X-Track: 1: 100 Return-Path: Received: from groupstudy.com (66.220.63.9) by mta102.in.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 07:34:44 +0500 (IST) Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA32069; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:04:32 GMT Received: by
Re: Fwd: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
Thank you Howard for laying the foundation for us to grow on.. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Howard C. Berkowitz To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] At 1:37 PM + 12/20/02, Mr piyush shah wrote: Dear friends It has been quite long that I have been hearing whether CCIE is superior or MS. I thing it is high time we should wrap the topic.I dont understand ,whether why this forum for ? It should b a purely technical. For a typically type of questioning like this, there are resposes which lasts for weeks but there are some questions for whom nobody seems to be bothered ? There was a queation which was thrown on this on TACACS ACS whether What could the issue that I am able to authenticate and not authorisation ,not a single person on this site bothered to answered ,not even Priscilla . Let's consider whether people bother to respond. First, remember that everyone who does so is volunteering their time. They are not a substitute for the TAC or reference materials. Have you considered that at the time you asked the question, Priscilla might be on vacation, another expert has limited list access while on business travel (perhaps behind a strict firewall), and two others are trying to finish projects for which they are paid? The latter might scan the list, but not have 10-30 minutes to write a post. Indeed, many of those experts do not have the answer memorized, but would have to look it up -- admittedly much faster than would a beginner. Which sounds to be very starnge. There are so many people who r new to networking tech ,hence comes with some querry which might b stupid to some of our colleages but pls ensure that u were also like them during your initial phase , The following is not meant to be a put-down, but a reality of how some people started in networking technology. I was first responsible for a network in 1970, using Bell 100 series modems (300 bps) to a PDP-11 running critical medical applications. Most links were acoustically coupled dialups, but we did have a few dedicated lines (again at 300 bps). With about 10 user ports on the machine, we sometimes just ran out. Since one of the dedicated lines was only needed for backups at night, and another for reporting, I realized I could switch them to dialup during the day. There was no Black Box Catalog or the like. I needed to get a copy of RS-232 and learn the wiring, decide how many pins I had to switch, go to the electronics store and get an appropriate rotary switch and other components, and physically build the box, soldering the wires to the switch. I made some incorrect assumptions the first time, and had to use electronic test instruments to find what I had done wrong -- it turned out I wasn't clear about the functions of the Pin 1 and Pin 7 grounds. At the same time all of this was going on, I was the head of software development for the medical applications, so needed to both design, write, and manage development, as well as researching expert system rules for blood banking and clinical chemistry. So no, not everyone had the luxury of a list or even colleagues. hence try to rectify the querry rather than spending your precious time on stupid questions like ccie is superior or MS , what is the salary of CCIE ? And I will be perfectly honest. Sometimes, I may be in a hurry when reading the list, and there's a stupid question that I can answer from personal experience. Even when I answer a technical question with which I am very familiar, I often check the documentation -- Cisco or IETF -- to be sure I'm referring to the right document. On another list, for example, there was a DNS question. I knew the answer was in RFC 1033, 1034, or 1035, but wasn't sure which, and didn't have time to look it up. I cited the three documents, and said I _thought_ it was 1034. Looking it up later, it was 1035. I hope the message is clear to everybody Regards PIYUSH Note: forwarded message attached. Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com; 20 Dec 2002 07:36:38 +0500 (IST) Return-Path: X-Track: 1: 100 Return-Path: Received: from groupstudy.com (66.220.63.9) by mta102.in.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 07:34:44 +0500 (IST) Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA32069; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:04:32 GMT Received: by groupstudy.com (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:50 + Received: (from listserver@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23691 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT Received: (from nobody@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23686
Fwd: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
Dear friends It has been quite long that I have been hearing whether CCIE is superior or MS. I thing it is high time we should wrap the topic.I dont understand ,whether why this forum for ? It should b a purely technical. For a typically type of questioning like this, there are resposes which lasts for weeks but there are some questions for whom nobody seems to be bothered ? There was a queation which was thrown on this on TACACS ACS whether What could the issue that I am able to authenticate and not authorisation ,not a single person on this site bothered to answered ,not even Priscilla . Which sounds to be very starnge. There are so many people who r new to networking tech ,hence comes with some querry which might b stupid to some of our colleages but pls ensure that u were also like them during your initial phase ,hence try to rectify the querry rather than spending your precious time on stupid questions like ccie is superior or MS , what is the salary of CCIE ? I hope the message is clear to everybody Regards PIYUSH Note: forwarded message attached. Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com; 20 Dec 2002 07:36:38 +0500 (IST) Return-Path: X-Track: 1: 100 Return-Path: Received: from groupstudy.com (66.220.63.9) by mta102.in.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 07:34:44 +0500 (IST) Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA32069; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:04:32 GMT Received: by groupstudy.com (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:50 + Received: (from listserver@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23691 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT Received: (from nobody@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23686 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT From: Charlie Wehner X-GroupStudy-Version: 3.1.1a X-GroupStudy: Network Technical To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Charlie Wehner Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 925 What's more difficult? a) Memorizing configuration scenerios and commands on a Cisco router b) Understanding Calculus, Differential Equations, Numerical Analysis, Chemistry, Physics and Electrical Engineering well enough to create a meaningful experiment. One of my friends is working on his masters in Physics right now. What he's working on makes the CCIE look like a walk through the park. Seriously, what if the recommended reading list for the CCIE exam looked like this: Physics I and II Calculus I,II,III Differential Equations Mechanics Circuit Analysis I and II Linear Systems Thermodynamics Quantum Mechanics Optics Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59605t=59481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
Hi piyush You are right but nobody is wasting time ,and from everthing we learn .see I read whole messages and discussion and learnt a lot.Moreover regarding the problem yeah whether its small or big we should answer,i think so everybody does and I also get a lot of answers for my stupid questions.So everybody please help out all those who have problems so that everyone can gain from your sols. Regards, Munit Mr piyush shah wrote: Dear friends It has been quite long that I have been hearing whether CCIE is superior or MS. I thing it is high time we should wrap the topic.I dont understand ,whether why this forum for ? It should b a purely technical. For a typically type of questioning like this, there are resposes which lasts for weeks but there are some questions for whom nobody seems to be bothered ? There was a queation which was thrown on this on TACACS ACS whether What could the issue that I am able to authenticate and not authorisation ,not a single person on this site bothered to answered ,not even Priscilla . Which sounds to be very starnge. There are so many people who r new to networking tech ,hence comes with some querry which might b stupid to some of our colleages but pls ensure that u were also like them during your initial phase ,hence try to rectify the querry rather than spending your precious time on stupid questions like ccie is superior or MS , what is the salary of CCIE ? I hope the message is clear to everybody Regards PIYUSH Note: forwarded message attached. Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com; 20 Dec 2002 07:36:38 +0500 (IST) Return-Path: X-Track: 1: 100 Return-Path: Received: from groupstudy.com (66.220.63.9) by mta102.in.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 07:34:44 +0500 (IST) Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA32069; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:04:32 GMT Received: by groupstudy.com (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:50 + Received: (from listserver@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23691 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT Received: (from nobody@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23686 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT From: Charlie Wehner X-GroupStudy-Version: 3.1.1a X-GroupStudy: Network Technical To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Charlie Wehner Precedence: bulk Content-Length: 925 What's more difficult? a) Memorizing configuration scenerios and commands on a Cisco router b) Understanding Calculus, Differential Equations, Numerical Analysis, Chemistry, Physics and Electrical Engineering well enough to create a meaningful experiment. One of my friends is working on his masters in Physics right now. What he's working on makes the CCIE look like a walk through the park. Seriously, what if the recommended reading list for the CCIE exam looked like this: Physics I and II Calculus I,II,III Differential Equations Mechanics Circuit Analysis I and II Linear Systems Thermodynamics Quantum Mechanics Optics Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=59607t=59481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
At 1:37 PM + 12/20/02, Mr piyush shah wrote: Dear friends It has been quite long that I have been hearing whether CCIE is superior or MS. I thing it is high time we should wrap the topic.I dont understand ,whether why this forum for ? It should b a purely technical. For a typically type of questioning like this, there are resposes which lasts for weeks but there are some questions for whom nobody seems to be bothered ? There was a queation which was thrown on this on TACACS ACS whether What could the issue that I am able to authenticate and not authorisation ,not a single person on this site bothered to answered ,not even Priscilla . Let's consider whether people bother to respond. First, remember that everyone who does so is volunteering their time. They are not a substitute for the TAC or reference materials. Have you considered that at the time you asked the question, Priscilla might be on vacation, another expert has limited list access while on business travel (perhaps behind a strict firewall), and two others are trying to finish projects for which they are paid? The latter might scan the list, but not have 10-30 minutes to write a post. Indeed, many of those experts do not have the answer memorized, but would have to look it up -- admittedly much faster than would a beginner. Which sounds to be very starnge. There are so many people who r new to networking tech ,hence comes with some querry which might b stupid to some of our colleages but pls ensure that u were also like them during your initial phase , The following is not meant to be a put-down, but a reality of how some people started in networking technology. I was first responsible for a network in 1970, using Bell 100 series modems (300 bps) to a PDP-11 running critical medical applications. Most links were acoustically coupled dialups, but we did have a few dedicated lines (again at 300 bps). With about 10 user ports on the machine, we sometimes just ran out. Since one of the dedicated lines was only needed for backups at night, and another for reporting, I realized I could switch them to dialup during the day. There was no Black Box Catalog or the like. I needed to get a copy of RS-232 and learn the wiring, decide how many pins I had to switch, go to the electronics store and get an appropriate rotary switch and other components, and physically build the box, soldering the wires to the switch. I made some incorrect assumptions the first time, and had to use electronic test instruments to find what I had done wrong -- it turned out I wasn't clear about the functions of the Pin 1 and Pin 7 grounds. At the same time all of this was going on, I was the head of software development for the medical applications, so needed to both design, write, and manage development, as well as researching expert system rules for blood banking and clinical chemistry. So no, not everyone had the luxury of a list or even colleagues. hence try to rectify the querry rather than spending your precious time on stupid questions like ccie is superior or MS , what is the salary of CCIE ? And I will be perfectly honest. Sometimes, I may be in a hurry when reading the list, and there's a stupid question that I can answer from personal experience. Even when I answer a technical question with which I am very familiar, I often check the documentation -- Cisco or IETF -- to be sure I'm referring to the right document. On another list, for example, there was a DNS question. I knew the answer was in RFC 1033, 1034, or 1035, but wasn't sure which, and didn't have time to look it up. I cited the three documents, and said I _thought_ it was 1034. Looking it up later, it was 1035. I hope the message is clear to everybody Regards PIYUSH Note: forwarded message attached. Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com; 20 Dec 2002 07:36:38 +0500 (IST) Return-Path: X-Track: 1: 100 Return-Path: Received: from groupstudy.com (66.220.63.9) by mta102.in.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 07:34:44 +0500 (IST) Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA32069; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:04:32 GMT Received: by groupstudy.com (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:50 + Received: (from listserver@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23691 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT Received: (from nobody@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23686 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT From: Charlie Wehner X-GroupStudy-Version: 3.1.1a X-GroupStudy: Network Technical To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Charlie Wehner
