Thank you Howard for laying the foundation for us to grow on.. -Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" To: Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
> At 1:37 PM +0000 12/20/02, Mr piyush shah wrote: > >Dear friends > >It has been quite long that I have been hearing > >whether CCIE is superior or MS. I thing it is high > >time we should wrap the topic.I dont understand > >,whether why this forum for ? It should b a purely > >technical. For a typically type of questioning like > >this, there are resposes which lasts for weeks but > >there are some questions for whom nobody seems to be > >bothered ? > >There was a queation which was thrown on this on > >TACACS ACS whether What could the issue that I am > >able to authenticate and not authorisation ,not a > >single person on this site bothered to answered ,not > >even Priscilla . > > Let's consider whether people "bother to respond." First, remember > that everyone who does so is volunteering their time. They are not a > substitute for the TAC or reference materials. Have you considered > that at the time you asked the question, Priscilla might be on > vacation, another expert has limited list access while on business > travel (perhaps behind a strict firewall), and two others are trying > to finish projects for which they are paid? > > The latter might scan the list, but not have 10-30 minutes to write a > post. Indeed, many of those experts do not have the answer memorized, > but would have to look it up -- admittedly much faster than would a > beginner. > > >Which sounds to be very starnge. There are so many > >people who r new to networking tech ,hence comes with > >some querry which might b stupid to some of our > >colleages but pls ensure that u were also like them > >during your initial phase , > > The following is not meant to be a put-down, but a reality of how > some people started in networking technology. I was first > responsible for a network in 1970, using Bell 100 series modems (300 > bps) to a PDP-11 running critical medical applications. Most links > were acoustically coupled dialups, but we did have a few dedicated > lines (again at 300 bps). > > With about 10 user ports on the machine, we sometimes just ran out. > Since one of the dedicated lines was only needed for backups at > night, and another for reporting, I realized I could switch them to > dialup during the day. > > There was no Black Box Catalog or the like. I needed to get a copy > of RS-232 and learn the wiring, decide how many pins I had to switch, > go to the electronics store and get an appropriate rotary switch and > other components, and physically build the box, soldering the wires > to the switch. > > I made some incorrect assumptions the first time, and had to use > electronic test instruments to find what I had done wrong -- it > turned out I wasn't clear about the functions of the Pin 1 and Pin 7 > grounds. > > At the same time all of this was going on, I was the head of software > development for the medical applications, so needed to both design, > write, and manage development, as well as researching expert system > rules for blood banking and clinical chemistry. > > So no, not everyone had the luxury of a list or even colleagues. > > >hence try to rectify the > >querry rather than spending your precious time on > >stupid questions like " ccie is superior or MS , what > >is the salary of CCIE ? " > > And I will be perfectly honest. Sometimes, I may be in a hurry when > reading the list, and there's a "stupid question" that I can answer > from personal experience. Even when I answer a technical question > with which I am very familiar, I often check the documentation -- > Cisco or IETF -- to be sure I'm referring to the right document. On > another list, for example, there was a DNS question. I knew the > answer was in RFC 1033, 1034, or 1035, but wasn't sure which, and > didn't have time to look it up. I cited the three documents, and > said I _thought_ it was 1034. Looking it up later, it was 1035. > > >I hope the message is clear to everybody > >Regards > > > >PIYUSH > > > > > > > > > >Note: forwarded message attached. > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. > > visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com > >X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via web8002.mail.in.yahoo.com; > > 20 Dec 2002 07:36:38 +0500 (IST) > >Return-Path: > >X-Track: 1: 100 > >Return-Path: > >Received: from groupstudy.com (66.220.63.9) by mta102.in.mail.yahoo.com > > with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 07:34:44 +0500 (IST) > >Received: from localhost (mail@localhost) by groupstudy.com > > (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA32069; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 02:04:32 GMT > >Received: by groupstudy.com (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 20 Dec 2002 > > 01:26:50 +0000 > >Received: (from listserver@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id > > BAA23691 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT > >Received: (from nobody@localhost) by groupstudy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id > > BAA23686 GroupStudy Mailer; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT > >Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 01:26:48 GMT > >From: "Charlie Wehner" > >X-GroupStudy-Version: 3.1.1a > >X-GroupStudy: Network Technical > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] > >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: "Charlie Wehner" > >Precedence: bulk > >Content-Length: 925 > > > >What's more difficult? > > > >a) Memorizing configuration scenerios and commands on a Cisco router > > > >b) Understanding Calculus, Differential Equations, Numerical Analysis, > >Chemistry, Physics and Electrical Engineering well enough to create a > >"meaningful" experiment. > > > >One of my friends is working on his masters in Physics right now. What he's > >working on makes the CCIE look like a walk through the park. > > > >Seriously, what if the recommended reading list for the CCIE exam looked > >like this: > > > >Physics I and II > >Calculus I,II,III > >Differential Equations > >Mechanics > >Circuit Analysis I and II > >Linear Systems > >Thermodynamics > >Quantum Mechanics > >Optics Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=59624&t=59481 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
