FW: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-15 Thread Mike Emigh

I'm a little past page 200, and I am not impressed either; however, I am
learning.  There are many typos (Especially with OSPF constantly written as
OSFP.)  What really bothers me the most is how the authors represent the IOS
commands, they do not stick to the same method of showing them! Sometimes
they will bold things, sometimes not.  It seems to be very hard to tell what
is the actual word you need to type and when you're supposed to type
something in it's place.

A lot of that bugs me, but it will probably also help me learn.  Because of
the author's errors, I will have to look up some of the commands in other
places, which will help me remember (Even though it is very annoying!)

Back to the point: Yes, the book has lots of problems, and I think they
should give us a free second edition for putting up with it!

Mike

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Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
(ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
ISBN: 0-07-212477

So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown"
with little or no explanation.

Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
Typo's:  too many to mention
Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion)

I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.

I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.

Daniel



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RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-15 Thread Daniel Boutet

Sorry I forgot the -6 at the end of the isbn #. It is the new book BSCN book
by Thomas M.Thomas II and company.
So to be clear the isbn is 0-07-212477-6
I have stopped reading it at page 120 yesterday.
I was a little (ok, very) frustrated about the way it is written.
There are a few mistakes: wrong figures to example (Chapt 4), typos, wrong
answer at end of chapter 2 and material not covered adequatly.

I want to be fair to Mr. Thomas so I will continue to review the book as I
go along.
I would sure appreciate some feedback from anybody including Mr. Thomas. I
will go to his site and comment there also at the end of my reading.

I understand that there are always typos, and such in books, being an ex
instructor, but there is a level of expectation
and a serious amount of  that I spend in technical/study
material and I at least expect my $ worth.
So far I am not a happy customer! After, I am done the reading we'll
see.


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Hi,

There is no such a book with this ISBN 0-07-212477, from where you have
ordered this book?
is it the cisco offiicial book?

Thank you Daniel.

Ehab Abdllah

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Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)


Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
(ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
ISBN: 0-07-212477

So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown"
with little or no explanation.

Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
Typo's:  too many to mention
Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion)

I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.

I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.

Daniel



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RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Ehab Mohamad Abdullah

Hi,

There is no such a book with this ISBN 0-07-212477, from where you have
ordered this book?
is it the cisco offiicial book?

Thank you Daniel.

Ehab Abdllah

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Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:59 PM
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Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)


Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
(ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
ISBN: 0-07-212477

So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown"
with little or no explanation.

Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
Typo's:  too many to mention
Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion)

I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.

I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.

Daniel



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Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Marco Rodrigues

Thanks for the feedback. But I was referring to the BCMSN book. I guess it
was my fault, I should've been more specific.

""Daniel Boutet1"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Just started reading the book. (100 pages read for the first time)
> This comment is only on a first look at the book. If you are reading the
> book you will find the mistakes
> pretty easily.
>
> If you read below I stated a few places where a few errors where.
>
> Add on to this:
>
> Chapt 4 page 96 figure 4.1 Totally irrelevant. There is also another
figure
> 4-1 on Page 100
> Usually there should only be one figure 4-1
>
> Back to reading! Feedback from anyone who is or has read the book is
> welcome.
> Did anyone actually only read this book to pass the BSCN?
> I know it states on the cover "Book Companion"
> which probably means "buy another book instead" or "companion is what you
> really should have instead of this book"
>
> Just a little frustrated, sorry to the list..
>
> Daniel
>
>
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Marco Rodrigues
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
>
>
> Do you know if there an errata for that book? I looked at the
ciscopress
> webpage didn't see one for that book. Or maybe point out some of the
> mistakes?
>
> Thanks!
>
> :)
> ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson...
> > Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with
> > mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because
> the
> > publication date was pushed back.  I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this
> > time.
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Daniel Boutet
> > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
> >
> >
> > This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN
> one
> > was almost a carbon copy of the
> > Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good.
> > I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at
> it
> > in depth since I am keeping it for my
> > last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some
> comments
> > on it.
> > Did you read the BSCN book Bradley?
> >
> > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson...
> > > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books.
I'm
> > > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc.
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Daniel Boutet
> > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM
> > > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
> > > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
> > > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
> > > ISBN: 0-07-212477
> > >
> > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just
> "thrown"
> > > with little or no explanation.
> > >
> > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
> > > Typo's:  too many to mention
> > > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal
> opinion)
> > >
> > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.
> > >
> > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.
> > >
> > > Daniel
> >
> >
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RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Daniel Boutet1



Just started reading the book. (100 pages read for the first time)
This comment is only on a first look at the book. If you are reading the
book you will find the mistakes
pretty easily.

If you read below I stated a few places where a few errors where.

Add on to this:

Chapt 4 page 96 figure 4.1 Totally irrelevant. There is also another figure
4-1 on Page 100
Usually there should only be one figure 4-1

Back to reading! Feedback from anyone who is or has read the book is
welcome.
Did anyone actually only read this book to pass the BSCN?
I know it states on the cover "Book Companion"
which probably means "buy another book instead" or "companion is what you
really should have instead of this book"

Just a little frustrated, sorry to the list..

Daniel


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Marco Rodrigues
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Do you know if there an errata for that book? I looked at the ciscopress
webpage didn't see one for that book. Or maybe point out some of the
mistakes?

Thanks!

:)
""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson...
> Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with
> mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because
the
> publication date was pushed back.  I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this
> time.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Boutet
> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
>
>
> This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN
one
> was almost a carbon copy of the
> Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good.
> I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at
it
> in depth since I am keeping it for my
> last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some
comments
> on it.
> Did you read the BSCN book Bradley?
>
> ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson...
> > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books.  I'm
> > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Daniel Boutet
> > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM
> > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
> >
> >
> > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
> > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
> > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
> > ISBN: 0-07-212477
> >
> > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just
"thrown"
> > with little or no explanation.
> >
> > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
> > Typo's:  too many to mention
> > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal
opinion)
> >
> > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.
> >
> > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.
> >
> > Daniel
>
>
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Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Marco Rodrigues

Do you know if there an errata for that book? I looked at the ciscopress
webpage didn't see one for that book. Or maybe point out some of the
mistakes?

Thanks!

:)
""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson...
> Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with
> mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because
the
> publication date was pushed back.  I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this
> time.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Boutet
> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
>
>
> This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN
one
> was almost a carbon copy of the
> Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good.
> I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at
it
> in depth since I am keeping it for my
> last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some
comments
> on it.
> Did you read the BSCN book Bradley?
>
> ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson...
> > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books.  I'm
> > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -
> > From: Daniel Boutet
> > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM
> > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
> >
> >
> > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
> > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
> > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
> > ISBN: 0-07-212477
> >
> > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just
"thrown"
> > with little or no explanation.
> >
> > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
> > Typo's:  too many to mention
> > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal
opinion)
> >
> > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.
> >
> > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.
> >
> > Daniel
>
>
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Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Daniel Boutet

Let's hope that the book gets better as I read on. Maybe other reader will
comment on it.
I have other book to accompany this one but I wanted one that contains all
the study material for the exam.

Cisco Router Internetworking  0-07135627-4
Caslow's Bible (Bridges...for CCIE)
Network Design and Case Studies (second ed.)
Giles' All in one  Study Guide

I plan to buy Doyle's TCP/IP bible and probably Stevens TCP/IP Illustrated.
But for now I will read Thomas II book

Daniel


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> Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with
> mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because
the
> publication date was pushed back.  I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this
> time.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Boutet
> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
>
>
> This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN
one
> was almost a carbon copy of the
> Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good.
> I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at
it
> in depth since I am keeping it for my
> last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some
comments
> on it.
> Did you read the BSCN book Bradley?
>
> ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson...
> > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books.  I'm
> > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Daniel Boutet
> > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM
> > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
> >
> >
> > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
> > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
> > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
> > ISBN: 0-07-212477
> >
> > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just
"thrown"
> > with little or no explanation.
> >
> > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
> > Typo's:  too many to mention
> > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal
opinion)
> >
> > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.
> >
> > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.
> >
> > Daniel
>
>
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Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Bradley J. Wilson

Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with
mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because the
publication date was pushed back.  I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this
time.


- Original Message -
From: Daniel Boutet
Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)


This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one
was almost a carbon copy of the
Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good.
I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it
in depth since I am keeping it for my
last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments
on it.
Did you read the BSCN book Bradley?

""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson...
> This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books.  I'm
> curious as to how much production time went into them, etc.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Boutet
> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM
> Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
>
>
> Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
> I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
> (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
> ISBN: 0-07-212477
>
> So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown"
> with little or no explanation.
>
> Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
> Typo's:  too many to mention
> Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion)
>
> I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.
>
> I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.
>
> Daniel


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Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Daniel Boutet

This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one
was almost a carbon copy of the
Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good.
I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it
in depth since I am keeping it for my
last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments
on it.
Did you read the BSCN book Bradley?

""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson...
> This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books.  I'm
> curious as to how much production time went into them, etc.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Boutet
> Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM
> Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
>
>
> Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
> I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
> (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
> ISBN: 0-07-212477
>
> So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown"
> with little or no explanation.
>
> Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
> Typo's:  too many to mention
> Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion)
>
> I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.
>
> I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
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Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Bradley J. Wilson

This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books.  I'm
curious as to how much production time went into them, etc.

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From: Daniel Boutet
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Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)


Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
(ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
ISBN: 0-07-212477

So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown"
with little or no explanation.

Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
Typo's:  too many to mention
Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion)

I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.

I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.

Daniel



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Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)

2000-10-14 Thread Daniel Boutet

Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off.
I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it.
(ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid).
ISBN: 0-07-212477

So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown"
with little or no explanation.

Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors
Typo's:  too many to mention
Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion)

I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book.

I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback.

Daniel



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