Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936]
The Long and Winding Road wrote: > > ""Symon Thurlow"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi guys, > > > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be to > pass the > > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. > > probably slightly more difficult than if networking were your > primary role. > seriously. just because you are a full time net engineer > doesn't mean that > in your daily work you cover the depth and breadth of CCIE Lab > topics on a > regular basis. production networks, one would hope, are stable > entities. one > it is up and working, you monitor, maintain, and troubleshoot. > > I believe anyone who has been through the CCIE Lab will agree - > it is > unlikely you will ever find a production network quite like the > Lab. ;-) > > > > > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking > probably takes > > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working > this much > > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough knowledge > to pass > > the lab. > > > that's why NLI came into being. That's why FatKid and IPExpert > and Hello > Computers are around. You need decent theoretical background, > but mostly you > need hands on practice with a number of complex scenarios so > you can get > used to configuring difficult requirements under sever time > pressure. > > > > > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then > possibly pass, > > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple months > later > > (IMHO). > > > that's why you decide to put in 15-30 hours a week study time. > Reading. > Labs, etc. That;s why you have a study plan. That;s why you > identify the > core topics and devote some time every week to covering them. Chuck, the methodology you propose sounds interesting but I am not sure I understand "identify the core topics". Could you explain that and put me on the right way ? Give some examples ? Do you mean BGP, FRelay etc ... How can anyone identify the core topics without having been exposed to the exam ? Regards. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > nope - actions. :-) > > > > > > > Symon > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=58097&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936]
The Long and Winding Road wrote: > > ""richard dumoulin"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hal Logan wrote: > > > > > > Not to discourage you or anything, but if a candidate crams > for > > > months and > > > then immediately forgets everything after the lab, that's an > > > indication the > > > he or she got by using primarily short-term memory. I > > > personally don't think > > > it's possible to get through the lab unless you make > extensive > > > use of your > > > long term memory. > > > > Here I have to disagree. In my opinion you don't need memory > at all but > > understanding. If you understand networking at a high level, > then > > everythings come without effort, the commands etc ... > > > > my 2 cents. > > CL: Respectfully, I disagree with you to an extent. Perhaps > it's just a > matter of interpretation on my part. But having been there > twice my belief > based on those experiences is that you have to "know" the > configurations. It > really is a bit of lengthy memorization, IMHO. > > CL: take my OSPF interfaces. please! ( OK, sorry ) but > "understanding" > isn't really enough. You have to be moving your fingers as you > read the Lab > requirement. when the frame relay requirement for router 1 is > "one > subinterface connects to routers 2 and 3, and another connects > to router 4" > you have to "know" all the implications and be typing them > without > "thinking". OK. Maybe we disagree on the meaning of > "understanding" > Or maybe I've configured so many examples that my memory is in > my fingers. > > CL: the other day, someone asked whether or not BGP would run > over an ip > unnumbered link. I "understood" the answer to be yes. I "knew" > the answer to > be yes. For the Q&D lab I created to prove the point, though, I > just banged > out the configs, including the neighbor rebgp multihop command > and the > static route command required on each router. "understanding" > or just the > fact that I've done enough of these things that is is second > nature now? > > CL: that's why I suggested that the keys for success are 1) the > identification of the core topics, 2) the study plan, which > includes > covering and reviewing all of these core topics at least once > every two > weeks, and 3) practicing speed of execution. > > CL: note that I am not saying you are wrong. There are many > ways to prepare. > It's just that I believe the key is in the fingers, not in the > intellect. But here you are disagreeing and at the same time saying I am right. Cut your head from your shoulders, and let's see how your fingers work !! Just kidding. > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "not enough time to study" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? > [7:57936] > > > > > > > > > > IMHO--the fact is that even if your job is 100% networking > > > there are very > > > > few jobs where you will actually use the scope of what you > > > might see on > > > the > > > > lab test. i > > > > > > > > no matter what, be prepared to spend many hours preparing. > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Symon Thurlow"" wrote in message > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would > be > > > to pass the > > > > > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. > > > > > > > > > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking > > > probably takes > > > > > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only > working > > > this much > > > > > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough > > > knowledge to pass > > > > > the lab. > > > > > > > > > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then > > > possibly pass, > > > > > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple > > > months later > > > > > (IMHO). > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > Symon > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=58085&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936]
Hi. Being a generalist may be to your detriment. I spent 4 years working with various brands and then settled into Cisco stuff for around another 2. Then I did the CCNP which definately gave me sound grounding for the Sylvan P. Prepare yourself for at least 6 months to a year or more of eat, sleep sh.. shower Cisco practical before attempting the lab. Full time hands on with the kit is the best way to go for the Lab. Speed is the ticket. Experience with the equipment is the only way you'll pass! Good Luck Regards Colin Tetluk CCIE#5767 -Original Message- From: Symon Thurlow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936] Hi guys, Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be to pass the CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking probably takes up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working this much with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough knowledge to pass the lab. I know that it is possible to cram for months and then possibly pass, but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple months later (IMHO). Thoughts? Symon Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=58026&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936]
Thanks for all the answers everyone, I had no immediate intention of going down this road, and I certainly don't now :) I think I'll review it in a year or so, once the market for these skills has stabilised a bit more, and my "known" rather than simply memorised skills have expanded a bit more. Cheers, Symon -Original Message- From: The Long and Winding Road [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 24 November 2002 04:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936] ""richard dumoulin"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hal Logan wrote: > > > > Not to discourage you or anything, but if a candidate crams for > > months and then immediately forgets everything after the lab, that's > > an indication the > > he or she got by using primarily short-term memory. I > > personally don't think > > it's possible to get through the lab unless you make extensive > > use of your > > long term memory. > > Here I have to disagree. In my opinion you don't need memory at all > but understanding. If you understand networking at a high level, then > everythings come without effort, the commands etc ... > > my 2 cents. CL: Respectfully, I disagree with you to an extent. Perhaps it's just a matter of interpretation on my part. But having been there twice my belief based on those experiences is that you have to "know" the configurations. It really is a bit of lengthy memorization, IMHO. CL: take my OSPF interfaces. please! ( OK, sorry ) but "understanding" isn't really enough. You have to be moving your fingers as you read the Lab requirement. when the frame relay requirement for router 1 is "one subinterface connects to routers 2 and 3, and another connects to router 4" you have to "know" all the implications and be typing them without "thinking". OK. Maybe we disagree on the meaning of "understanding" Or maybe I've configured so many examples that my memory is in my fingers. CL: the other day, someone asked whether or not BGP would run over an ip unnumbered link. I "understood" the answer to be yes. I "knew" the answer to be yes. For the Q&D lab I created to prove the point, though, I just banged out the configs, including the neighbor rebgp multihop command and the static route command required on each router. "understanding" or just the fact that I've done enough of these things that is is second nature now? CL: that's why I suggested that the keys for success are 1) the identification of the core topics, 2) the study plan, which includes covering and reviewing all of these core topics at least once every two weeks, and 3) practicing speed of execution. CL: note that I am not saying you are wrong. There are many ways to prepare. It's just that I believe the key is in the fingers, not in the intellect. > > > - Original Message - > > From: "not enough time to study" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:31 PM > > Subject: Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936] > > > > > > > IMHO--the fact is that even if your job is 100% networking > > there are very > > > few jobs where you will actually use the scope of what you > > might see on > > the > > > lab test. i > > > > > > no matter what, be prepared to spend many hours preparing. > > > > > > > > > ""Symon Thurlow"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be > > to pass the > > > > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. > > > > > > > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking > > probably takes > > > > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working > > this much > > > > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough > > knowledge to pass > > > > the lab. > > > > > > > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then > > possibly pass, > > > > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple > > months later > > > > (IMHO). > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > Symon = This email has been content filtered and subject to spam filtering. If you consider this email is unsolicited please forward the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and request that the sender's domain be blocked from sending any further emails. = Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57982&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936]
""richard dumoulin"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hal Logan wrote: > > > > Not to discourage you or anything, but if a candidate crams for > > months and > > then immediately forgets everything after the lab, that's an > > indication the > > he or she got by using primarily short-term memory. I > > personally don't think > > it's possible to get through the lab unless you make extensive > > use of your > > long term memory. > > Here I have to disagree. In my opinion you don't need memory at all but > understanding. If you understand networking at a high level, then > everythings come without effort, the commands etc ... > > my 2 cents. CL: Respectfully, I disagree with you to an extent. Perhaps it's just a matter of interpretation on my part. But having been there twice my belief based on those experiences is that you have to "know" the configurations. It really is a bit of lengthy memorization, IMHO. CL: take my OSPF interfaces. please! ( OK, sorry ) but "understanding" isn't really enough. You have to be moving your fingers as you read the Lab requirement. when the frame relay requirement for router 1 is "one subinterface connects to routers 2 and 3, and another connects to router 4" you have to "know" all the implications and be typing them without "thinking". OK. Maybe we disagree on the meaning of "understanding" Or maybe I've configured so many examples that my memory is in my fingers. CL: the other day, someone asked whether or not BGP would run over an ip unnumbered link. I "understood" the answer to be yes. I "knew" the answer to be yes. For the Q&D lab I created to prove the point, though, I just banged out the configs, including the neighbor rebgp multihop command and the static route command required on each router. "understanding" or just the fact that I've done enough of these things that is is second nature now? CL: that's why I suggested that the keys for success are 1) the identification of the core topics, 2) the study plan, which includes covering and reviewing all of these core topics at least once every two weeks, and 3) practicing speed of execution. CL: note that I am not saying you are wrong. There are many ways to prepare. It's just that I believe the key is in the fingers, not in the intellect. > > > - Original Message - > > From: "not enough time to study" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:31 PM > > Subject: Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936] > > > > > > > IMHO--the fact is that even if your job is 100% networking > > there are very > > > few jobs where you will actually use the scope of what you > > might see on > > the > > > lab test. i > > > > > > no matter what, be prepared to spend many hours preparing. > > > > > > > > > ""Symon Thurlow"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be > > to pass the > > > > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. > > > > > > > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking > > probably takes > > > > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working > > this much > > > > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough > > knowledge to pass > > > > the lab. > > > > > > > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then > > possibly pass, > > > > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple > > months later > > > > (IMHO). > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > Symon Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57980&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936]
Hal Logan wrote: > > Not to discourage you or anything, but if a candidate crams for > months and > then immediately forgets everything after the lab, that's an > indication the > he or she got by using primarily short-term memory. I > personally don't think > it's possible to get through the lab unless you make extensive > use of your > long term memory. Here I have to disagree. In my opinion you don't need memory at all but understanding. If you understand networking at a high level, then everythings come without effort, the commands etc ... my 2 cents. > - Original Message - > From: "not enough time to study" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:31 PM > Subject: Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936] > > > > IMHO--the fact is that even if your job is 100% networking > there are very > > few jobs where you will actually use the scope of what you > might see on > the > > lab test. i > > > > no matter what, be prepared to spend many hours preparing. > > > > > > ""Symon Thurlow"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be > to pass the > > > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. > > > > > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking > probably takes > > > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working > this much > > > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough > knowledge to pass > > > the lab. > > > > > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then > possibly pass, > > > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple > months later > > > (IMHO). > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > Symon > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57978&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> sent with some reservation. perhaps a bit too personal. maybe some are > interested in what is below. You had me at "hello"...*sniff*... ;-) One of my co-workers said once that "the CCIE is a certification for people who don't have spouses and kids." Maybe he was right, I don't know, but as long as I'm in position when I have neither, I'll keep studying. (Of course, if I keep spending my spare time studying, I won't ever *get* a spouse and kids...hmmm...bit of a Catch-22!) BJ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57965&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936]
sent with some reservation. perhaps a bit too personal. maybe some are interested in what is below. ""Symon Thurlow"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi guys, > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be to pass the > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking probably takes > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working this much > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough knowledge to pass > the lab. > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then possibly pass, > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple months later > (IMHO). > > Thoughts? It can be easy to get caught up in things like certifications, work, career goals. This can lead to a somewhat distorted perspective. As others have said, only you can answer the question as to what is best for you. Others can only offer points of view. I would say, however, that whatever your choice, you should never forget the really important things in your life, as only you can define them. Knowing what is important to you, it is easier to schedule study time, lab dates, career pursuits, and personal matters. Over the past year I have come to realize that I have other things in my life that I believe are more important than any certification pursuit. Things like dying parents, growing children who need and deserve a parent's interest and attention, a spouse who is feeling neglected because of time spend locked away with books and routers. What good does it do anyone to become a CCIE if in the process you lose something of these other things? Someone who focuses too much on any single aspect of their life gets out of balance, which in turn can be the source of discontent. It is an old joke, but no one reaches the end of their life wishing they had spent more time at the office, or more time studying, or achieving more certifications. You get out of life what you put into it. Certification study, achievement, and work are but a few things. Family, relationships, the good you do for others make up the rest. Sometimes the personal things SHOULD interfere with your job. Apologies for this bit of melancholy. Chuck -- TANSTAAFL "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch" > > Symon Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57964&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936]
Not to discourage you or anything, but if a candidate crams for months and then immediately forgets everything after the lab, that's an indication the he or she got by using primarily short-term memory. I personally don't think it's possible to get through the lab unless you make extensive use of your long term memory. - Original Message - From: "not enough time to study" To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936] > IMHO--the fact is that even if your job is 100% networking there are very > few jobs where you will actually use the scope of what you might see on the > lab test. i > > no matter what, be prepared to spend many hours preparing. > > > ""Symon Thurlow"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi guys, > > > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be to pass the > > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. > > > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking probably takes > > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working this much > > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough knowledge to pass > > the lab. > > > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then possibly pass, > > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple months later > > (IMHO). > > > > Thoughts? > > > > Symon Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57958&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would argue that while the CCIE lab itself does not require a job that consists of 100% networking (heck, some guys have passed the lab without ever touching a production network before in their life), the main reason for most people to try the lab - which is to get a high-level networking job - essentially requires a job that is 100% networking. Gone are the days when you could get your 4-digit (now 5-digit) number and somebody would immediately hand you a job. Nowadays, employers scrutinize your experience to the nth degree. The fact of the matter is, if you don't have significant experience to accompany your number, you're gonna find it damn hard to get a job. Just look at all the unemployed CCIE's, which tend to be disproportionately skewed towards those with low experience (yes, some CCIE's with lots of experience are having trouble too, but nothing even close to those with little/no experience). Now this is not to say that you shouldn't study for your lab. What I'm saying is that you need to ask yourself what you hope to accomplish by going down this road and how realistic your expectations are. If you decide that the CCIE still fills your career goals, then great. But if not, then maybe you should spend your time doing something else. There are only 24 hours in a day and you need to decide what is the best use of those hours. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57953&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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IMHO--the fact is that even if your job is 100% networking there are very few jobs where you will actually use the scope of what you might see on the lab test. i no matter what, be prepared to spend many hours preparing. ""Symon Thurlow"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi guys, > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be to pass the > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking probably takes > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working this much > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough knowledge to pass > the lab. > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then possibly pass, > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple months later > (IMHO). > > Thoughts? > > Symon Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57949&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I should have read Chuck's answer first. :-) It's true that on-the-job training isn't necessary for CCIE. You could do it with lots of practice in labs and simulated labs. Hours and hours and hours are required though. P. The Long and Winding Road wrote: > > ""Symon Thurlow"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi guys, > > > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be to > pass the > > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. > > probably slightly more difficult than if networking were your > primary role. > seriously. just because you are a full time net engineer > doesn't mean that > in your daily work you cover the depth and breadth of CCIE Lab > topics on a > regular basis. production networks, one would hope, are stable > entities. one > it is up and working, you monitor, maintain, and troubleshoot. > > I believe anyone who has been through the CCIE Lab will agree - > it is > unlikely you will ever find a production network quite like the > Lab. ;-) > > > > > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking > probably takes > > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working > this much > > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough knowledge > to pass > > the lab. > > > that's why NLI came into being. That's why FatKid and IPExpert > and Hello > Computers are around. You need decent theoretical background, > but mostly you > need hands on practice with a number of complex scenarios so > you can get > used to configuring difficult requirements under sever time > pressure. > > > > > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then > possibly pass, > > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple months > later > > (IMHO). > > > that's why you decide to put in 15-30 hours a week study time. > Reading. > Labs, etc. That;s why you have a study plan. That;s why you > identify the > core topics and devote some time every week to covering them. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > nope - actions. :-) > > > > > > > Symon > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57942&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Symon Thurlow wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be to > pass the > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. You wouldn't have a chance in heck. You could probably pass the written exam with lots of reading and practice tests, but forget the lab. That requires 100s of hours of hands-on practice with very difficult scenarios that requires very specific knowledge. Priscilla > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking > probably takes > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working > this much > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough knowledge > to pass > the lab. > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then possibly > pass, > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple months > later > (IMHO). > > Thoughts? > > Symon > > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57941&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE requirement: full time networking? [7:57936]
""Symon Thurlow"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi guys, > > Looking for some feedback as to how difficult it would be to pass the > CCIE lab if networking was not your primary role. probably slightly more difficult than if networking were your primary role. seriously. just because you are a full time net engineer doesn't mean that in your daily work you cover the depth and breadth of CCIE Lab topics on a regular basis. production networks, one would hope, are stable entities. one it is up and working, you monitor, maintain, and troubleshoot. I believe anyone who has been through the CCIE Lab will agree - it is unlikely you will ever find a production network quite like the Lab. ;-) > > For instance, I am a bit of an IT generalist, networking probably takes > up 30% of my time. I don't feel confident that only working this much > with Cisco devices would enable me to retain enough knowledge to pass > the lab. that's why NLI came into being. That's why FatKid and IPExpert and Hello Computers are around. You need decent theoretical background, but mostly you need hands on practice with a number of complex scenarios so you can get used to configuring difficult requirements under sever time pressure. > > I know that it is possible to cram for months and then possibly pass, > but it is sort of pointless if you forget it a couple months later > (IMHO). that's why you decide to put in 15-30 hours a week study time. Reading. Labs, etc. That;s why you have a study plan. That;s why you identify the core topics and devote some time every week to covering them. > > Thoughts? nope - actions. :-) > > Symon Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=57940&t=57936 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
