RE: Cisco Training [7:71811]
Hi, You will succeed through self-study; I am now a CCDP through self-study and it has taken me some time :) I would say that those 5-day courses are far too expensive, especially now that you have the equipment. Unless you are in hurry to get the CCNP; if you are not, just study one chapter per day. This is possible (one chapter per day), though for routing (BSCI), it may take longer if you are completely new to those routing protocols. Honestly, there is no need to spend all the money on those 5-day courses, according to me. I do not have any experience with networking and I have steadily studied until I am now a CCDP, sucessfully doing 6 exams, though I had to do Cisco Internetwork Design (CID 640-025) twice. Also, when you buy your own materials, they remain with you after the tests. Okay, self-study may be the hard way to acquire the knowledge, but by the time you are ready for a test, you really feel you have got the knowledgethis is the important thing to me. Good Luck. Mwalie Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71817&t=71811 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Training [7:71811]
The 5 day classes is call a bootcamp. They cram everything. Not a good idea if you want to be a good cisco engineer. I pass the CCNP by reading the books and taking a regular class, and messing with some lab routers at my job. My company paid for it. Try to get your company to pay it if possible. By reading the Cisco press books (comes in a bundle of 4), and exam crams, you'll be fine. Take the time to read the materials. You'll be better off. rbx10 ccie-wishman Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71816&t=71811 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have to agree. I took the CCNP boot camp and although I was happy that I passed the CCNP afterwards, I was very dissapointed with the course and the knowledge I gained from it. The course gives you just enough to get by the exam. If I had to do it again I certainly would not have gone through the boot camp. I had a hard time relating the material I learn in class to real world issue. The course material was good for some referencing but not to get you through real-world issue. That is were the months or year(s) of hands-on comes into play. Whatever you decide to do try to get your company to pay for it because it is not cheap. If they dont...well atleast you will have a tax right-off. Good luck. Thanks, Mario Puras SoluNet Technical Support Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: (321) 309-1410 888.449.5766 (USA) / 888.SOLUNET (Canada) -Original Message- From: rbx10 Defcom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco Training [7:71811] The 5 day classes is call a bootcamp. They cram everything. Not a good idea if you want to be a good cisco engineer. I pass the CCNP by reading the books and taking a regular class, and messing with some lab routers at my job. My company paid for it. Try to get your company to pay it if possible. By reading the Cisco press books (comes in a bundle of 4), and exam crams, you'll be fine. Take the time to read the materials. You'll be better off. rbx10 ccie-wishman Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71834&t=71811 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In my opinion the courses are a quick cram if you haven't got the time. I have used both. I did the switching course a few years ago, but had read the book already. I got to Thursday before I learnt a single thing. If you read the book and ask for clarification of things you don't understand (using Groupstudy) then I think you come out the other side knowing more. If you want a week off work at a leisurely pace with more breaks than you've had in the last two years and an early knock off time, then dig deep and get on a course. I may be being a little unfair there, but it doesn't take long to get through most of the CCNP books if you allocate an hour or two a day, and if you get one of the poorer instructors that's all he'll do anyway - read the notes out to you. I always read through and don't go on to the next page until I've understood the current one. Skim reading gets you nowhere. As I'm going along I write down the bits that actually need to be learnt parrot fashion (things like administrative distances/types of switching etc), and by the end of it, I've understood all the topics and I've just got a cram sheet to study. Won't work for everyone, but it's one method. Some lads in our office will read the book 5 times understanding a little more each time. Doesn't work for me - I can read through 5 pages without actually taking in anything because I'm still getting my head around the previous topic. My two penneth anyway. Use your money on more lab kit. Bikespace ""John Brandis"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi, > > Any one ever been to one of these 5 day training places for various CCNP > exams ? Are they any good, or am I just better of reading the book again and > working on the labs with my own gear (yes I have quite a few routers here, > but never the time) > > I am on my quest for CCNP then on to CCIE, however between work and being a > dad, I just never get the time any more > > Thanks for your feedback > > > ** > > This email message (and attachments) may contain information that is > confidential to Solution 6. If you are not the intended recipient you cannot > use, distribute or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, please > notify the sender by return email immediately and erase all copies of the > message and attachments. Opinions, conclusions and other information in > this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of > Solution 6 are neither given nor endorsed by it. > > * Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71835&t=71811 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have to disagree with the previous answers. I took the BSCI class November 2002. It was great. Perhaps my experience level was lower but I really learned a lot and the instructor was quite knowledgable and a good teacher to boot. I should have taken the test within a few weeks of coming back from the class but I got side tracked on a project. When I hunkered down last month to prepare the class came back to me. Also this place used the Cisco books but supplemented them with their own labs. I was very pleased. I will agree that the classes are quite expensive, but training is one of the reasons I work where I do. I'm taking another class this month. If it's provided by your employer jump on the chance. David Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71853&t=71811 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I do agree with you on this however the I was referring to the "boot camp" courses. Had I taken all the courses individually that I took at boot camp I would have gained a lot more from them. During boot camp you only learn the very minimum needed to get you throught the exams. If you have the option to take the courses individually vs. taking the boot camp, I would strongly suggest the individual courses. Mario -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 4:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco Training [7:71811] I have to disagree with the previous answers. I took the BSCI class November 2002. It was great. Perhaps my experience level was lower but I really learned a lot and the instructor was quite knowledgable and a good teacher to boot. I should have taken the test within a few weeks of coming back from the class but I got side tracked on a project. When I hunkered down last month to prepare the class came back to me. Also this place used the Cisco books but supplemented them with their own labs. I was very pleased. I will agree that the classes are quite expensive, but training is one of the reasons I work where I do. I'm taking another class this month. If it's provided by your employer jump on the chance. David Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71870&t=71811 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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if you use the bootcamp training with one thing in mind -- passing the tests -- not learning, then you will get your money's worth. people criticize this type of training but for me it was a way to take 12 days away from all other distractions, study and pass the four exams. no i am not a "paper" cert, and had five years hands-on job experience prior to trying to pass any tests. i also just passed the CCNP-Recert test last week. i used ccprep and it was worth every penny (http://www.ccprep.com) ""John Brandis"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi, > > Any one ever been to one of these 5 day training places for various CCNP > exams ? Are they any good, or am I just better of reading the book again and > working on the labs with my own gear (yes I have quite a few routers here, > but never the time) > > I am on my quest for CCNP then on to CCIE, however between work and being a > dad, I just never get the time any more > > Thanks for your feedback > > > ** > > This email message (and attachments) may contain information that is > confidential to Solution 6. If you are not the intended recipient you cannot > use, distribute or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, please > notify the sender by return email immediately and erase all copies of the > message and attachments. Opinions, conclusions and other information in > this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business of > Solution 6 are neither given nor endorsed by it. > > * Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71914&t=71811 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I can see that point of view too, although it's an expensive 12 days, it may be the only way if you're that busy. When my employer needed CCNP a few years ago, I negotiated study leave rather than going on the courses, so I could sit at home with the books and a bunch of routers. They save a couple of grand per week. I think it depends on what level you're at. If you've done a fair bit of hands on anyway, then the courses can waste a lot of time going over old ground. I prefer the book and a bit of peace and quiet with the mobile phone turned off. Luckily my insomnia gives me a few hours after my family go to bed. If your family are still at home during the day, study leave may not be a good thing. You could always leave the book in the bathroom and do it bit by bit. Careful if you read for too long though you can lose the use of your legs completely :-) Horses for courses I suppose. Good Luck anyway Bikespace ""Amazing"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > if you use the bootcamp training with one thing in mind -- passing the > tests -- not learning, then you will get your money's worth. people > criticize this type of training but for me it was a way to take 12 days away > from all other distractions, study and pass the four exams. no i am not a > "paper" cert, and had five years hands-on job experience prior to trying to > pass any tests. i also just passed the CCNP-Recert test last week. > > i used ccprep and it was worth every penny (http://www.ccprep.com) > > > ""John Brandis"" wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi, > > > > Any one ever been to one of these 5 day training places for various CCNP > > exams ? Are they any good, or am I just better of reading the book again > and > > working on the labs with my own gear (yes I have quite a few routers here, > > but never the time) > > > > I am on my quest for CCNP then on to CCIE, however between work and being > a > > dad, I just never get the time any more > > > > Thanks for your feedback > > > > > > ** > > > > This email message (and attachments) may contain information that is > > confidential to Solution 6. If you are not the intended recipient you > cannot > > use, distribute or copy the message or attachments. In such a case, > please > > notify the sender by return email immediately and erase all copies of the > > message and attachments. Opinions, conclusions and other information in > > this message and attachments that do not relate to the official business > of > > Solution 6 are neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > > * Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=71936&t=71811 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
