RE: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
HYBRID, Especiall for someone like you who needs uptime/redundancy. In hybrid, if the MSFC dies, you don't loose the whole switch, just intervlan routing, etc. You can still telnet to the supervisor engine to get and and find out whats up. In native the whole switch dies and your burned. Cisco's answer- buy two sup2/msfc2/pfc2 boards and run high availability.. No thanks! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66780&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote: > We have a 6509 and I have heard talk about native vs. Hybrid mode of > operation. What is the difference? Is there a link to a white paper or > something? That question comes up periodically but the in a nutshell a 6500 in native mode is a big router, no catOS commands, and if you are familiar with 2900/3500 switch commands native switch layer 2 stuff will be familiar and of coarse the L3 commands are your regualr old IOS commands. Here is a snap shot of a 6506 running native: Native6506#sh ha Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY DEPLOYMEN T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) TAC Support: http://www.cisco.com/tac Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Wed 04-Sep-02 18:45 by eaarmas Image text-base: 0x40008C00, data-base: 0x41A68000 ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.1(4r)E, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) BOOTLDR: c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY DEPLOYMEN T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) Native6506 uptime is 5 weeks, 2 days, 43 minutes Time since Native6506 switched to active is 5 weeks, 2 days, 42 minutes System returned to ROM by power-on (SP by power-on) System image file is "slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin" cisco Catalyst 6000 (R7000) processor with 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. Processor board ID SAD05020HUX R7000 CPU at 300Mhz, Implementation 39, Rev 2.1, 256KB L2, 1024KB L3 Cache Last reset from power-on Bridging software. X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. SuperLAT software (copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp). TN3270 Emulation software. 8 Virtual Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) 120 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) 4 Gigabit Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) 381K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. 16384K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 512K). Standby is up Standby has 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. Configuration register is 0x2102 Native6506# Native6506#sh conf Using 8789 out of 391160 bytes ! version 12.1 service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname Native6506 ! boot system flash slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin boot bootldr bootflash:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-4.E1 no logging console enable password cisco ! ip subnet-zero ! ! ip tcp intercept mode watch no ip domain-lookup ! mls flow ip destination mls flow ipx destination ! redundancy mode rpr-plus main-cpu auto-sync running-config auto-sync standard ! ! ! interface Port-channel1 no ip address switchport switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q ! interface GigabitEthernet1/1 no ip address switchport switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport trunk native vlan 64 ! interface GigabitEthernet1/2 no ip address shutdown ! interface FastEthernet3/1 no ip address duplex full speed 100 switchport switchport access vlan 301 switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport mode trunk ! interface FastEthernet3/2 ip address 121.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 duplex full speed 100 ! interface FastEthernet3/3 ip address 30.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 ip access-group 199 in duplex half speed 100 ! interface FastEthernet3/4 no ip address duplex half speed 10 switchport switchport access vlan 304 switchport mode access !interface Vlan1 no ip address shutdown ! interface Vlan64 ip address 172.28.64.23 255.255.255.0 ! interface Vlan302 ip address 79.79.79.1 255.255.255.0 ip access-group 199 in ! interface Vlan303 ip address 99.13.13.1 255.255.255.0 shutdown ! interface Vlan304 ip address 79.79.80.1 255.255.255.0 ! interface Vlan305 ip address 99.15.15.1 255.255.255.0 shutdown ! interface Vlan306 no ip address shutdown ! interface Vlan307 no ip address ! router eigrp 1 network 172.28.0.0 no auto-summary eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! router eigrp 100 network 99.0.0.0 no auto-summary no eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! ip classless no ip http server -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66782&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
So if I read this right, it is just a different set of commands. Are there operational differences? -Original Message- From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:44 PM To: DeVoe, Charles (PKI) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766] DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote: > We have a 6509 and I have heard talk about native vs. Hybrid mode of > operation. What is the difference? Is there a link to a white paper or > something? That question comes up periodically but the in a nutshell a 6500 in native mode is a big router, no catOS commands, and if you are familiar with 2900/3500 switch commands native switch layer 2 stuff will be familiar and of coarse the L3 commands are your regualr old IOS commands. Here is a snap shot of a 6506 running native: Native6506#sh ha Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software IOS (tm) c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY DEPLOYMEN T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) TAC Support: http://www.cisco.com/tac Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. Compiled Wed 04-Sep-02 18:45 by eaarmas Image text-base: 0x40008C00, data-base: 0x41A68000 ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.1(4r)E, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) BOOTLDR: c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY DEPLOYMEN T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) Native6506 uptime is 5 weeks, 2 days, 43 minutes Time since Native6506 switched to active is 5 weeks, 2 days, 42 minutes System returned to ROM by power-on (SP by power-on) System image file is "slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin" cisco Catalyst 6000 (R7000) processor with 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. Processor board ID SAD05020HUX R7000 CPU at 300Mhz, Implementation 39, Rev 2.1, 256KB L2, 1024KB L3 Cache Last reset from power-on Bridging software. X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. SuperLAT software (copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp). TN3270 Emulation software. 8 Virtual Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) 120 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) 4 Gigabit Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) 381K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. 16384K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 512K). Standby is up Standby has 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. Configuration register is 0x2102 Native6506# Native6506#sh conf Using 8789 out of 391160 bytes ! version 12.1 service timestamps debug uptime service timestamps log uptime no service password-encryption ! hostname Native6506 ! boot system flash slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin boot bootldr bootflash:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-4.E1 no logging console enable password cisco ! ip subnet-zero ! ! ip tcp intercept mode watch no ip domain-lookup ! mls flow ip destination mls flow ipx destination ! redundancy mode rpr-plus main-cpu auto-sync running-config auto-sync standard ! ! ! interface Port-channel1 no ip address switchport switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q ! interface GigabitEthernet1/1 no ip address switchport switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport trunk native vlan 64 ! interface GigabitEthernet1/2 no ip address shutdown ! interface FastEthernet3/1 no ip address duplex full speed 100 switchport switchport access vlan 301 switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport mode trunk ! interface FastEthernet3/2 ip address 121.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 duplex full speed 100 ! interface FastEthernet3/3 ip address 30.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 ip access-group 199 in duplex half speed 100 ! interface FastEthernet3/4 no ip address duplex half speed 10 switchport switchport access vlan 304 switchport mode access !interface Vlan1 no ip address shutdown ! interface Vlan64 ip address 172.28.64.23 255.255.255.0 ! interface Vlan302 ip address 79.79.79.1 255.255.255.0 ip access-group 199 in ! interface Vlan303 ip address 99.13.13.1 255.255.255.0 shutdown ! interface Vlan304 ip address 79.79.80.1 255.255.255.0 ! interface Vlan305 ip address 99.15.15.1 255.255.255.0 shutdown ! interface Vlan306 no ip address shutdown ! interface Vlan307 no ip address ! router eigrp 1 network 172.28.0.0 no auto-summary eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! router eigrp 100 network 99.0.0.0 no auto-summary no eigrp log-neighbor-changes ! ip classless no ip http server -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66784&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
I was just reading about this the other day and book-marked this link (watch for wrap): http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps700/products_tech_note0918 6a00801350b8.shtml Shawn K. -Original Message- From: DeVoe, Charles (PKI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766] We have a 6509 and I have heard talk about native vs. Hybrid mode of operation. What is the difference? Is there a link to a white paper or something? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66783&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
Native means that the sup/msfc module is running IOS for the routing and switching, similar to the 3500 switches... Hybrid indicates that the switch sup will run Cat-os for the switching function and the msfc will run IOS for the routing functions...similar to a Cat5000 with the RSM... Larry Letterman Network Engineer Cisco Systems > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > DeVoe, Charles (PKI) > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:19 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766] > > > We have a 6509 and I have heard talk about native vs. Hybrid mode of > operation. What is the difference? Is there a link to a white paper or > something? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66791&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
You can look at it that way.. Instead of having a switch and a router you actually 1 device with one IOS running that does the job of both other devices.. Larry Letterman Network Engineer Cisco Systems > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > DeVoe, Charles (PKI) > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:01 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766] > > > So if I read this right, it is just a different set of commands. > Are there > operational differences? > > -Original Message- > From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:44 PM > To: DeVoe, Charles (PKI) > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766] > > > DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote: > > We have a 6509 and I have heard talk about native vs. Hybrid mode of > > operation. What is the difference? Is there a link to a > white paper or > > something? >That question comes up periodically but the in a nutshell a 6500 in > native mode is a big router, no catOS commands, and if you are familiar > with 2900/3500 switch commands native switch layer 2 stuff will be > familiar and of coarse the L3 commands are your regualr old IOS > commands. Here is a snap shot of a 6506 running native: > > Native6506#sh ha > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software > IOS (tm) c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY > DEPLOYMEN > T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > TAC Support: http://www.cisco.com/tac > Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. > Compiled Wed 04-Sep-02 18:45 by eaarmas > Image text-base: 0x40008C00, data-base: 0x41A68000 > > ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.1(4r)E, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > BOOTLDR: c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY > DEPLOYMEN > T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > > Native6506 uptime is 5 weeks, 2 days, 43 minutes > Time since Native6506 switched to active is 5 weeks, 2 days, 42 minutes > System returned to ROM by power-on (SP by power-on) > System image file is "slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin" > > cisco Catalyst 6000 (R7000) processor with 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. > Processor board ID SAD05020HUX > R7000 CPU at 300Mhz, Implementation 39, Rev 2.1, 256KB L2, 1024KB L3 Cache > Last reset from power-on > Bridging software. > X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. > SuperLAT software (copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp). > TN3270 Emulation software. > 8 Virtual Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > 120 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > 4 Gigabit Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > 381K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. > > 16384K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 512K). > Standby is up > Standby has 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. > > Configuration register is 0x2102 > > Native6506# > > Native6506#sh conf > Using 8789 out of 391160 bytes > ! > version 12.1 > service timestamps debug uptime > service timestamps log uptime > no service password-encryption > ! > hostname Native6506 > ! > boot system flash slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin > boot bootldr bootflash:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-4.E1 > no logging console > enable password cisco > ! > ip subnet-zero > ! > ! > ip tcp intercept mode watch > no ip domain-lookup > ! > mls flow ip destination > mls flow ipx destination > ! > redundancy > mode rpr-plus > main-cpu >auto-sync running-config >auto-sync standard > ! > ! > ! > interface Port-channel1 > no ip address > switchport > switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q > ! > interface GigabitEthernet1/1 > no ip address > switchport > switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q > switchport trunk native vlan 64 > ! > interface GigabitEthernet1/2 > no ip address > shutdown > ! > interface FastEthernet3/1 > no ip address > duplex full > speed 100 > switchport > switchport access vlan 301 > switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q > switchport mode trunk > ! > interface FastEthernet3/2 > ip address 121.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 > duplex full > speed 100 > ! > interface FastEthernet3/3 > ip address 30.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 > ip access-group 199 in > duplex half > speed 100 > ! > interface FastEthernet3/4 > no ip address > duplex half > speed 10 > switchport > switchport access vlan 304 > switchport mode access > !interface Vlan1 > no ip address > shutdown > ! > interface Vlan64 > ip address 172.28.64.23 255.255.255.0 > ! > interface Vlan302 > ip address 79.79.79.1 255.255.255.0 > ip access-group 199 in > ! >
RE: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
thats true, however a switch is kinda useless in the network if the devices cant talk to anywhere past the local switch... Larry Letterman Network Engineer Cisco Systems > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Joseph Brunner > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:43 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766] > > > HYBRID, Especiall for someone like you who needs uptime/redundancy. > > In hybrid, if the MSFC dies, you don't loose the whole switch, > just intervlan routing, etc. You can still telnet to the supervisor > engine to get and and find out whats up. > > In native the whole switch dies and your burned. > > Cisco's answer- buy two sup2/msfc2/pfc2 boards and run high > availability.. No thanks! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66801&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
What! I have a switch running Native in the lab with dual sups configured for RPR+, works fine. RPR is what the 7500's with dual RSPs use. Dave Joseph Brunner wrote: > HYBRID, Especiall for someone like you who needs uptime/redundancy. > > In hybrid, if the MSFC dies, you don't loose the whole switch, > just intervlan routing, etc. You can still telnet to the supervisor > engine to get and and find out whats up. > > In native the whole switch dies and your burned. > > Cisco's answer- buy two sup2/msfc2/pfc2 boards and run high > availability.. No thanks! -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66803&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
There are still some functional/operational differences between 6500 hybrid and native modes with the current CatOS and IOS versions available. A white paper on the topic is located at (watch for any wrapping): http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/products_white_paper09 186a00800c8441.shtml Cisco's stated direction for some time has been towards native mode IOS. Both hybrid and native mode options still exist for valid reasons based upon customer requirements. Your account SE should be able to provide more information and assist in the analysis and selection process. I have deployed 6509s at multiple customer locations over the past three years. If you would like to discuss my experiences with hybrid vs. native further, feel free to contact me offline. Hope this helps! Mark Foster ""DeVoe, Charles (PKI)"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > We have a 6509 and I have heard talk about native vs. Hybrid mode of > operation. What is the difference? Is there a link to a white paper or > something? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66808&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
The big thing to watch out for is line card support. Most OSM cards are only supported in Native mode and the inverse is true with many voice modules. I can't think of any other operational differances that would make me lean to one method or the other. The 6500 is the only "box" being manufactured by Cisco that runs catOS so Native is the future. I actually thought the "future" would be here by now... Dave DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote: > So if I read this right, it is just a different set of commands. Are there > operational differences? > > -Original Message- > From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:44 PM > To: DeVoe, Charles (PKI) > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766] > > > DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote: > > We have a 6509 and I have heard talk about native vs. Hybrid mode of > > operation. What is the difference? Is there a link to a white paper or > > something? >That question comes up periodically but the in a nutshell a 6500 in > native mode is a big router, no catOS commands, and if you are familiar > with 2900/3500 switch commands native switch layer 2 stuff will be > familiar and of coarse the L3 commands are your regualr old IOS > commands. Here is a snap shot of a 6506 running native: > > Native6506#sh ha > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software > IOS (tm) c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY > DEPLOYMEN > T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > TAC Support: http://www.cisco.com/tac > Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. > Compiled Wed 04-Sep-02 18:45 by eaarmas > Image text-base: 0x40008C00, data-base: 0x41A68000 > > ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.1(4r)E, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > BOOTLDR: c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY > DEPLOYMEN > T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > > Native6506 uptime is 5 weeks, 2 days, 43 minutes > Time since Native6506 switched to active is 5 weeks, 2 days, 42 minutes > System returned to ROM by power-on (SP by power-on) > System image file is "slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin" > > cisco Catalyst 6000 (R7000) processor with 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. > Processor board ID SAD05020HUX > R7000 CPU at 300Mhz, Implementation 39, Rev 2.1, 256KB L2, 1024KB L3 Cache > Last reset from power-on > Bridging software. > X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. > SuperLAT software (copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp). > TN3270 Emulation software. > 8 Virtual Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > 120 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > 4 Gigabit Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > 381K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. > > 16384K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 512K). > Standby is up > Standby has 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. > > Configuration register is 0x2102 > > Native6506# > > Native6506#sh conf > Using 8789 out of 391160 bytes > ! > version 12.1 > service timestamps debug uptime > service timestamps log uptime > no service password-encryption > ! > hostname Native6506 > ! > boot system flash slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin > boot bootldr bootflash:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-4.E1 > no logging console > enable password cisco > ! > ip subnet-zero > ! > ! > ip tcp intercept mode watch > no ip domain-lookup > ! > mls flow ip destination > mls flow ipx destination > ! > redundancy > mode rpr-plus > main-cpu >auto-sync running-config >auto-sync standard > ! > ! > ! > interface Port-channel1 > no ip address > switchport > switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q > ! > interface GigabitEthernet1/1 > no ip address > switchport > switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q > switchport trunk native vlan 64 > ! > interface GigabitEthernet1/2 > no ip address > shutdown > ! > interface FastEthernet3/1 > no ip address > duplex full > speed 100 > switchport > switchport access vlan 301 > switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q > switchport mode trunk > ! > interface FastEthernet3/2 > ip address 121.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 > duplex full > speed 100 > ! > interface FastEthernet3/3 > ip address 30.1.1.1 255.255.255.0 > ip access-group 199 in > duplex half > speed 100 > ! > interface FastEthernet3/4 > no ip address > duplex half > speed 10 > switchport > switchport access vlan 304 > switchport mode access > !interface Vlan1 > no ip address > shutdown > ! > interface Vlan64 > ip address 172.28.64.23 255.255.255.0 > ! > interface Vlan302 > ip address 79.79.79.1 255.255.255.0 > ip acc
RE: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
Especially since we run native in all our 6500's that perform L3 task in the corp network here... Larry Letterman Network Engineer Cisco Systems > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > MADMAN > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:38 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766] > > > The big thing to watch out for is line card support. Most OSM cards > are only supported in Native mode and the inverse is true with many > voice modules. I can't think of any other operational differances that > would make me lean to one method or the other. The 6500 is the only > "box" being manufactured by Cisco that runs catOS so Native is the > future. I actually thought the "future" would be here by now... > >Dave > > DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote: > > So if I read this right, it is just a different set of > commands. Are there > > operational differences? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:44 PM > > To: DeVoe, Charles (PKI) > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766] > > > > > > DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote: > > > We have a 6509 and I have heard talk about native vs. Hybrid mode of > > > operation. What is the difference? Is there a link to a > white paper or > > > something? > >That question comes up periodically but the in a nutshell a 6500 in > > native mode is a big router, no catOS commands, and if you are familiar > > with 2900/3500 switch commands native switch layer 2 stuff will be > > familiar and of coarse the L3 commands are your regualr old IOS > > commands. Here is a snap shot of a 6506 running native: > > > > Native6506#sh ha > > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software > > IOS (tm) c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY > > DEPLOYMEN > > T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > > TAC Support: http://www.cisco.com/tac > > Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. > > Compiled Wed 04-Sep-02 18:45 by eaarmas > > Image text-base: 0x40008C00, data-base: 0x41A68000 > > > > ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.1(4r)E, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > > BOOTLDR: c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY > > DEPLOYMEN > > T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > > > > Native6506 uptime is 5 weeks, 2 days, 43 minutes > > Time since Native6506 switched to active is 5 weeks, 2 days, 42 minutes > > System returned to ROM by power-on (SP by power-on) > > System image file is "slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin" > > > > cisco Catalyst 6000 (R7000) processor with 112640K/18432K bytes > of memory. > > Processor board ID SAD05020HUX > > R7000 CPU at 300Mhz, Implementation 39, Rev 2.1, 256KB L2, > 1024KB L3 Cache > > Last reset from power-on > > Bridging software. > > X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. > > SuperLAT software (copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp). > > TN3270 Emulation software. > > 8 Virtual Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > > 120 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > > 4 Gigabit Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > > 381K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. > > > > 16384K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 512K). > > Standby is up > > Standby has 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. > > > > Configuration register is 0x2102 > > > > Native6506# > > > > Native6506#sh conf > > Using 8789 out of 391160 bytes > > ! > > version 12.1 > > service timestamps debug uptime > > service timestamps log uptime > > no service password-encryption > > ! > > hostname Native6506 > > ! > > boot system flash slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin > > boot bootldr bootflash:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-4.E1 > > no logging console > > enable password cisco > > ! > > ip subnet-zero > > ! > > ! > > ip tcp intercept mode watch > > no ip domain-lookup > > ! > > mls flow ip destination > > mls flow ipx destination > > ! > > redundancy > > mode rpr-plus > > main-cpu > >auto-sync running-config > >auto-sync standard > > ! > > ! > > ! > > interface Port-channel1 > > no ip address > > switchport > > switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q > > ! > > interface GigabitEthernet1/1 > > no ip address > > switchport > > switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q > > switchport trunk native vlan
Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
""MADMAN"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > The big thing to watch out for is line card support. Most OSM cards > are only supported in Native mode and the inverse is true with many > voice modules. I can't think of any other operational differances that > would make me lean to one method or the other. The 6500 is the only > "box" being manufactured by Cisco that runs catOS so Native is the > future. I actually thought the "future" would be here by now... Guess again. I was at a Cisco presentation yesterday in San Jose. Heard all about the Native versus Cat storyline. IIRC from the slides, CatOS is in the plans through 2012. If Cisco every delivers on their promise to provide the slides, I'll send you a copy, which I know you're entitled to, being a Customer and a CCIE in good standing ;-> did I ever thank you for the beer truck, by the way? > >Dave > > DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote: > > So if I read this right, it is just a different set of commands. Are there > > operational differences? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:44 PM > > To: DeVoe, Charles (PKI) > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766] > > > > > > DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote: > > > We have a 6509 and I have heard talk about native vs. Hybrid mode of > > > operation. What is the difference? Is there a link to a white paper or > > > something? > >That question comes up periodically but the in a nutshell a 6500 in > > native mode is a big router, no catOS commands, and if you are familiar > > with 2900/3500 switch commands native switch layer 2 stuff will be > > familiar and of coarse the L3 commands are your regualr old IOS > > commands. Here is a snap shot of a 6506 running native: > > > > Native6506#sh ha > > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software > > IOS (tm) c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY > > DEPLOYMEN > > T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > > TAC Support: http://www.cisco.com/tac > > Copyright (c) 1986-2002 by cisco Systems, Inc. > > Compiled Wed 04-Sep-02 18:45 by eaarmas > > Image text-base: 0x40008C00, data-base: 0x41A68000 > > > > ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 12.1(4r)E, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > > BOOTLDR: c6sup2_rp Software (c6sup2_rp-JS-M), Version 12.1(13)E, EARLY > > DEPLOYMEN > > T RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > > > > Native6506 uptime is 5 weeks, 2 days, 43 minutes > > Time since Native6506 switched to active is 5 weeks, 2 days, 42 minutes > > System returned to ROM by power-on (SP by power-on) > > System image file is "slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin" > > > > cisco Catalyst 6000 (R7000) processor with 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. > > Processor board ID SAD05020HUX > > R7000 CPU at 300Mhz, Implementation 39, Rev 2.1, 256KB L2, 1024KB L3 Cache > > Last reset from power-on > > Bridging software. > > X.25 software, Version 3.0.0. > > SuperLAT software (copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp). > > TN3270 Emulation software. > > 8 Virtual Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > > 120 FastEthernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > > 4 Gigabit Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s) > > 381K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory. > > > > 16384K bytes of Flash internal SIMM (Sector size 512K). > > Standby is up > > Standby has 112640K/18432K bytes of memory. > > > > Configuration register is 0x2102 > > > > Native6506# > > > > Native6506#sh conf > > Using 8789 out of 391160 bytes > > ! > > version 12.1 > > service timestamps debug uptime > > service timestamps log uptime > > no service password-encryption > > ! > > hostname Native6506 > > ! > > boot system flash slot0:c6sup12-js-mz.121-13.E.bin > > boot bootldr bootflash:c6msfc2-boot-mz.121-4.E1 > > no logging console > > enable password cisco > > ! > > ip subnet-zero > > ! > > ! > > ip tcp intercept mode watch > > no ip domain-lookup > > ! > > mls flow ip destination > > mls flow ipx destination > > ! > > redundancy > > mode rpr-plus > > main-cpu > >auto-sync running-config > >auto-sync standard > > ! > > ! > > ! > > interface Port-channel1 > > no ip address > > switchport > > switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q > > ! > > interface GigabitEthernet1/1 > > no ip address > > switchport > > switchp
Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
I read something that scared me on the url http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/products_white_paper09186a00800c8441.shtml "Should the MSFC fail, all Layer 2/3/4 functionality is lost" We are currently running Hybrid mode, and more than once the MSFC stop working (in differents equipment). We just lose layer 3 functionality on the 6500, and as we use HSRP the packets could be forwarded to other networks. So, is there really this disadvantage on the native mode? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66848&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
alaerte Vidali wrote: > I read something that scared me on the url > http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/products_white_paper09186a00800c8441.shtml > > "Should the MSFC fail, all Layer 2/3/4 functionality is lost" > > We are currently running Hybrid mode, and more than once the MSFC stop > working (in differents equipment). We just lose layer 3 functionality on the > 6500, and as we use HSRP the packets could be forwarded to other networks. > > So, is there really this disadvantage on the native mode? Native mode running RPR+ is not as fast in converging, if I pull the active sup it takes a little more than 1 minute for the backup to to take over. Hopefully Cisco will eventually incorporate HSA which when running on the 7500 RSP takes only about 3 seconds for the redundant RSP to become active. Dave -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." --- General George S. Patton Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66857&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
Think about it... With Hybrid mode, the CPUs on the MSFC and the supervisor engine function independently. You have two user interfaces. With Native mode, the two devices are integrated with a single user interface and the CPU on the MSFC functions as the primary CPU for the switch. Karen *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 4/4/2003 at 3:03 PM alaerte Vidali wrote: >I read something that scared me on the url >http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/products_white_paper09186a00800c8441.shtml > >"Should the MSFC fail, all Layer 2/3/4 functionality is lost" > >We are currently running Hybrid mode, and more than once the MSFC stop >working (in differents equipment). We just lose layer 3 functionality on >the >6500, and as we use HSRP the packets could be forwarded to other networks. > >So, is there really this disadvantage on the native mode? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66859&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Hybrid vs. Native [7:66766]
Hybrid version use two typee of software CAT OS and IOS Cat OS is used on the supervisory Engine (Where you define your vlan, set domain name, and port setting) while IOS is used on the MSFC. MSFC is the card that perform the routing. The native mode used only IOS making the switch look like a router. I recently did a conversion from Hybrid to Native. Native is much more simpler to use and manage. Here's a link to help you out: www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/81.html Rbx10 CCIE-N-training Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66892&t=66766 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
