Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841]
Thats a good one Brad. You can try to fool yourself but I hate to tell you your underhanded tactics are just as low (actually lower as your supposed to be a reputable CCIE) than the people who post posing as customers saying hey, go check out this web site, the have great test prep material, all the while they are the ones selling the material. Just because you hid your lack of ethics in the guise of a response to a question doesn't change what you've done. Let's look at your post... BEllis Quote: If you want the lowest price simulator available, you should go with the simline2. It has S/T interfaces so it goes nicely with 2503s, 2504s, etc. Paul B. (the owner of groupstudy) also bought one of these for his home lab. I believe he posted about it somewhere. Check the archives: www.groupstudy.com If you want more detailed information on the simline2 you can visit www.cheapisdn.com BEllis Unquote: Now lets see... you speak as to how great the simline2 is. You refer to how satisified the owner of groupstudy is as if he's just a friend of yours who bought one and liked it and told you about it. You make no disclaimer that you are affiliated with that site and that YOU WILL directly line your pocket with cash when the purchase is made. You make no mention that Cheap ISDN (remember, you get what you pay for) is actually Network Learning. Now how this is not deceptive to you? Have you ever heard of full disclosure? Or I guess to you speaking as if this is something you just heard about and hiding the fact that you'll make lots of cash on the sale is not being deceptive? How about let's disclose in your future unbiased recommendations that you'll directly profit from the said recommendation? That would be the honest, upright thing to do! It's funny how you bash Duncan for not disclosing he works for your competitors yet you do not disclose you work for the company you recommend! Hah!!! Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Duncan, Hi! Actually, we have never offered Rik ANY form of compensation. Rik has just been one of many happy customers of ours. While other competitors of ours use yahoo accounts, fake email accounts, post spam, etc, we always post using our real names and dont use any under-handed tactics. When there are questions about our products or services, we answer them. I call that customer service, not shameless plugs. It's interesting that you work with Capewave, a competitor of ours, and that you are badmouthing us. Im not sure that PDS would approve of your post but we'll copy Paul F. (at PDS) on it and see what he says. This thread has really gone off on a tangent, if you wish to respond, please email me offlist, as I will not respond publically to any future responses to this post/email. Or feel free to call me, 248-299-7789. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Duncan Stuart wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... How much are you getting paid to be brad's personal PR man. Why don't you reply to individuals instead of replying to the whole group. By the way your preferred vendor is not quite as squeaky clean as you would think and like the rest of us to think. These guys actually employed some extremely unprofessional business ethics to bring you this simulator. I can tell you exactly how much they buy the product for and just how badly they are ripping you off. Cheers and best wishes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Shameless plug? Absolutely! No shame in how Brad does business. :-} Maybe he does have a financial interest but who cares? I have learned over the years to listen to him...he is usually right. His simulator is as inexpensive as you will find and I know he wouldn't offer it if it didn't do the job just fine. I have no financial interest here. I'm just a very satisfied customer standing up for my preferred vendor! Rik -Original Message- From: c1sc0k1d [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Of course Brad forgot to mention he has a financial interest in his recommendation as he is affiliated with the company so his recommendation is not without bias. Here's some of your options. I'll leave out his as he already made a shameless plug. ISDN emulator on the NET http://208.1.40.80/ica/isdnsim.nsf www.brooktrout.com/pages/product_info/pi_data_wan/pdf/multiport.pdf www.diem.com/BT90001.htm http://www.tele-products.com/ http://www.arca-technologies.com/solohome.html http://www.conway-engineering.com/ 5105307682 http://www.acacia
RE: ISDN simulator [7:33841]
Hi Brad I'm responding publicly because that's what you do all the time. I can't believe how two faced someone can be. They say everything will come out in the wash and I hope it does. I had good response from the previous email because people are beginning to doubt. I don't want to be funny but the term used car salesman comes to mind. Please note that I am not a competitor of Network Learning, Optsys or CCbootcamp. I know Brad that your business interests are hidden in Group studies like this one and that image is very important, well let me remind you that storm is approaching. I'm not aware of other competitors using fake email accounts because there are none and I have only witnessed under-handed tactics coming from one well known source on this list. By the way what does publically mean. If you can't do the time then don't do the crime. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Ellis Sent: 01 February 2002 18:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Duncan, Hi! Actually, we have never offered Rik ANY form of compensation. Rik has just been one of many happy customers of ours. While other competitors of ours use yahoo accounts, fake email accounts, post spam, etc, we always post using our real names and dont use any under-handed tactics. When there are questions about our products or services, we answer them. I call that customer service, not shameless plugs. It's interesting that you work with Capewave, a competitor of ours, and that you are badmouthing us. Im not sure that PDS would approve of your post but we'll copy Paul F. (at PDS) on it and see what he says. This thread has really gone off on a tangent, if you wish to respond, please email me offlist, as I will not respond publically to any future responses to this post/email. Or feel free to call me, 248-299-7789. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Duncan Stuart wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... How much are you getting paid to be brad's personal PR man. Why don't you reply to individuals instead of replying to the whole group. By the way your preferred vendor is not quite as squeaky clean as you would think and like the rest of us to think. These guys actually employed some extremely unprofessional business ethics to bring you this simulator. I can tell you exactly how much they buy the product for and just how badly they are ripping you off. Cheers and best wishes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Shameless plug? Absolutely! No shame in how Brad does business. :-} Maybe he does have a financial interest but who cares? I have learned over the years to listen to him...he is usually right. His simulator is as inexpensive as you will find and I know he wouldn't offer it if it didn't do the job just fine. I have no financial interest here. I'm just a very satisfied customer standing up for my preferred vendor! Rik -Original Message- From: c1sc0k1d [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Of course Brad forgot to mention he has a financial interest in his recommendation as he is affiliated with the company so his recommendation is not without bias. Here's some of your options. I'll leave out his as he already made a shameless plug. ISDN emulator on the NET http://208.1.40.80/ica/isdnsim.nsf www.brooktrout.com/pages/product_info/pi_data_wan/pdf/multiport.pdf www.diem.com/BT90001.htm http://www.tele-products.com/ http://www.arca-technologies.com/solohome.html http://www.conway-engineering.com/ 5105307682 http://www.acacia-net.com/ http://www.taskit.com/ http://www.monitor.co.at/monitor/498/story/isdnsim.html http://www.digitechinc.com http://www.ertmsales.com/products/search/viewcart.cfm?Page=1QtyNA= Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ronald, If you want the lowest price simulator available, you should go with the simline2. It has S/T interfaces so it goes nicely with 2503s, 2504s, etc. Paul B. (the owner of groupstudy) also bought one of these for his home lab. I believe he posted about it somewhere. Check the archives: www.groupstudy.com If you want more detailed information on the simline2 you can visit www.cheapisdn.com thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc Ronald James wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... just wondering anybody knows which isdn simulator is best for home lab in terms of functionalities and pricing? hope this is not violating nda, but very inte
Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841]
Thats a good one Brad. You can try to fool yourself but I hate to tell you your underhanded tactics are just as low (actually lower as your supposed to be a reputable CCIE) than the people who post posing as customers saying hey, go check out this web site, the have great test prep material, all the while they are the ones selling the material. Just because you hid your lack of ethics in the guise of a response to a question doesn't change what you've done. Let's look at your post... BEllis Quote: If you want the lowest price simulator available, you should go with the simline2. It has S/T interfaces so it goes nicely with 2503s, 2504s, etc. Paul B. (the owner of groupstudy) also bought one of these for his home lab. I believe he posted about it somewhere. Check the archives: www.groupstudy.com If you want more detailed information on the simline2 you can visit www.cheapisdn.com BEllis Unquote: Now lets see... you speak as to how great the simline2 is. You refer to how satisified the owner of groupstudy is as if he's just a friend of yours who bought one and liked it and told you about it. You make no disclaimer that you are affiliated with that site and that YOU WILL directly line your pocket with cash when the purchase is made. You make no mention that Cheap ISDN (remember, you get what you pay for) is actually Network Learning. Now how this is not deceptive to you? Have you ever heard of full disclosure? Or I guess to you speaking as if this is something you just heard about and hiding the fact that you'll make lots of cash on the sale is not being deceptive? How about let's disclose in your future unbiased recommendations that you'll directly profit from the said recommendation? That would be the honest, upright thing to do! It's funny how you bash Duncan for not disclosing he works for your competitors yet you do not disclose you work for the company you recommend! Hah!!! Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Duncan, Hi! Actually, we have never offered Rik ANY form of compensation. Rik has just been one of many happy customers of ours. While other competitors of ours use yahoo accounts, fake email accounts, post spam, etc, we always post using our real names and dont use any under-handed tactics. When there are questions about our products or services, we answer them. I call that customer service, not shameless plugs. It's interesting that you work with Capewave, a competitor of ours, and that you are badmouthing us. Im not sure that PDS would approve of your post but we'll copy Paul F. (at PDS) on it and see what he says. This thread has really gone off on a tangent, if you wish to respond, please email me offlist, as I will not respond publically to any future responses to this post/email. Or feel free to call me, 248-299-7789. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Duncan Stuart wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... How much are you getting paid to be brad's personal PR man. Why don't you reply to individuals instead of replying to the whole group. By the way your preferred vendor is not quite as squeaky clean as you would think and like the rest of us to think. These guys actually employed some extremely unprofessional business ethics to bring you this simulator. I can tell you exactly how much they buy the product for and just how badly they are ripping you off. Cheers and best wishes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Shameless plug? Absolutely! No shame in how Brad does business. :-} Maybe he does have a financial interest but who cares? I have learned over the years to listen to him...he is usually right. His simulator is as inexpensive as you will find and I know he wouldn't offer it if it didn't do the job just fine. I have no financial interest here. I'm just a very satisfied customer standing up for my preferred vendor! Rik -Original Message- From: c1sc0k1d [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Of course Brad forgot to mention he has a financial interest in his recommendation as he is affiliated with the company so his recommendation is not without bias. Here's some of your options. I'll leave out his as he already made a shameless plug. ISDN emulator on the NET http://208.1.40.80/ica/isdnsim.nsf www.brooktrout.com/pages/product_info/pi_data_wan/pdf/multiport.pdf www.diem.com/BT90001.htm http://www.tele-products.com/ http://www.arca-technologies.com/solohome.html http://www.conway-engineering.com/ 5105307682 http://www.acacia
RE: ISDN simulator [7:33841]
How much are you getting paid to be brad's personal PR man. Why don't you reply to individuals instead of replying to the whole group. By the way your preferred vendor is not quite as squeaky clean as you would think and like the rest of us to think. These guys actually employed some extremely unprofessional business ethics to bring you this simulator. I can tell you exactly how much they buy the product for and just how badly they are ripping you off. Cheers and best wishes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Shameless plug? Absolutely! No shame in how Brad does business. :-} Maybe he does have a financial interest but who cares? I have learned over the years to listen to him...he is usually right. His simulator is as inexpensive as you will find and I know he wouldn't offer it if it didn't do the job just fine. I have no financial interest here. I'm just a very satisfied customer standing up for my preferred vendor! Rik -Original Message- From: c1sc0k1d [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Of course Brad forgot to mention he has a financial interest in his recommendation as he is affiliated with the company so his recommendation is not without bias. Here's some of your options. I'll leave out his as he already made a shameless plug. ISDN emulator on the NET http://208.1.40.80/ica/isdnsim.nsf www.brooktrout.com/pages/product_info/pi_data_wan/pdf/multiport.pdf www.diem.com/BT90001.htm http://www.tele-products.com/ http://www.arca-technologies.com/solohome.html http://www.conway-engineering.com/ 5105307682 http://www.acacia-net.com/ http://www.taskit.com/ http://www.monitor.co.at/monitor/498/story/isdnsim.html http://www.digitechinc.com http://www.ertmsales.com/products/search/viewcart.cfm?Page=1QtyNA= Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ronald, If you want the lowest price simulator available, you should go with the simline2. It has S/T interfaces so it goes nicely with 2503s, 2504s, etc. Paul B. (the owner of groupstudy) also bought one of these for his home lab. I believe he posted about it somewhere. Check the archives: www.groupstudy.com If you want more detailed information on the simline2 you can visit www.cheapisdn.com thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc Ronald James wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... just wondering anybody knows which isdn simulator is best for home lab in terms of functionalities and pricing? hope this is not violating nda, but very interest to see whether real ccie lab use isdn simulator or isdn lines?? if it's a simulator, which brand? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34025t=33841 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841]
Duncan, Hi! Actually, we have never offered Rik ANY form of compensation. Rik has just been one of many happy customers of ours. While other competitors of ours use yahoo accounts, fake email accounts, post spam, etc, we always post using our real names and dont use any under-handed tactics. When there are questions about our products or services, we answer them. I call that customer service, not shameless plugs. It's interesting that you work with Capewave, a competitor of ours, and that you are badmouthing us. Im not sure that PDS would approve of your post but we'll copy Paul F. (at PDS) on it and see what he says. This thread has really gone off on a tangent, if you wish to respond, please email me offlist, as I will not respond publically to any future responses to this post/email. Or feel free to call me, 248-299-7789. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Duncan Stuart wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... How much are you getting paid to be brad's personal PR man. Why don't you reply to individuals instead of replying to the whole group. By the way your preferred vendor is not quite as squeaky clean as you would think and like the rest of us to think. These guys actually employed some extremely unprofessional business ethics to bring you this simulator. I can tell you exactly how much they buy the product for and just how badly they are ripping you off. Cheers and best wishes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rik Guyler Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 2:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Shameless plug? Absolutely! No shame in how Brad does business. :-} Maybe he does have a financial interest but who cares? I have learned over the years to listen to him...he is usually right. His simulator is as inexpensive as you will find and I know he wouldn't offer it if it didn't do the job just fine. I have no financial interest here. I'm just a very satisfied customer standing up for my preferred vendor! Rik -Original Message- From: c1sc0k1d [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Of course Brad forgot to mention he has a financial interest in his recommendation as he is affiliated with the company so his recommendation is not without bias. Here's some of your options. I'll leave out his as he already made a shameless plug. ISDN emulator on the NET http://208.1.40.80/ica/isdnsim.nsf www.brooktrout.com/pages/product_info/pi_data_wan/pdf/multiport.pdf www.diem.com/BT90001.htm http://www.tele-products.com/ http://www.arca-technologies.com/solohome.html http://www.conway-engineering.com/ 5105307682 http://www.acacia-net.com/ http://www.taskit.com/ http://www.monitor.co.at/monitor/498/story/isdnsim.html http://www.digitechinc.com http://www.ertmsales.com/products/search/viewcart.cfm?Page=1QtyNA= Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ronald, If you want the lowest price simulator available, you should go with the simline2. It has S/T interfaces so it goes nicely with 2503s, 2504s, etc. Paul B. (the owner of groupstudy) also bought one of these for his home lab. I believe he posted about it somewhere. Check the archives: www.groupstudy.com If you want more detailed information on the simline2 you can visit www.cheapisdn.com thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc Ronald James wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... just wondering anybody knows which isdn simulator is best for home lab in terms of functionalities and pricing? hope this is not violating nda, but very interest to see whether real ccie lab use isdn simulator or isdn lines?? if it's a simulator, which brand? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34081t=33841 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841]
Ronald, If you want the lowest price simulator available, you should go with the simline2. It has S/T interfaces so it goes nicely with 2503s, 2504s, etc. Paul B. (the owner of groupstudy) also bought one of these for his home lab. I believe he posted about it somewhere. Check the archives: www.groupstudy.com If you want more detailed information on the simline2 you can visit www.cheapisdn.com thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc Ronald James wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... just wondering anybody knows which isdn simulator is best for home lab in terms of functionalities and pricing? hope this is not violating nda, but very interest to see whether real ccie lab use isdn simulator or isdn lines?? if it's a simulator, which brand? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=33867t=33841 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841]
Hi, there is also a lot of simulator stuff at: http://www.teltone.com/telecom_solutions/test_tools/test_home.html Regards, Georg Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=33877t=33841 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841]
Of course Brad forgot to mention he has a financial interest in his recommendation as he is affiliated with the company so his recommendation is not without bias. Here's some of your options. I'll leave out his as he already made a shameless plug. ISDN emulator on the NET http://208.1.40.80/ica/isdnsim.nsf www.brooktrout.com/pages/product_info/pi_data_wan/pdf/multiport.pdf www.diem.com/BT90001.htm http://www.tele-products.com/ http://www.arca-technologies.com/solohome.html http://www.conway-engineering.com/ 5105307682 http://www.acacia-net.com/ http://www.taskit.com/ http://www.monitor.co.at/monitor/498/story/isdnsim.html http://www.digitechinc.com http://www.ertmsales.com/products/search/viewcart.cfm?Page=1QtyNA= Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ronald, If you want the lowest price simulator available, you should go with the simline2. It has S/T interfaces so it goes nicely with 2503s, 2504s, etc. Paul B. (the owner of groupstudy) also bought one of these for his home lab. I believe he posted about it somewhere. Check the archives: www.groupstudy.com If you want more detailed information on the simline2 you can visit www.cheapisdn.com thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc Ronald James wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... just wondering anybody knows which isdn simulator is best for home lab in terms of functionalities and pricing? hope this is not violating nda, but very interest to see whether real ccie lab use isdn simulator or isdn lines?? if it's a simulator, which brand? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=33945t=33841 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ISDN simulator [7:33841]
Shameless plug? Absolutely! No shame in how Brad does business. :-} Maybe he does have a financial interest but who cares? I have learned over the years to listen to him...he is usually right. His simulator is as inexpensive as you will find and I know he wouldn't offer it if it didn't do the job just fine. I have no financial interest here. I'm just a very satisfied customer standing up for my preferred vendor! Rik -Original Message- From: c1sc0k1d [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ISDN simulator [7:33841] Of course Brad forgot to mention he has a financial interest in his recommendation as he is affiliated with the company so his recommendation is not without bias. Here's some of your options. I'll leave out his as he already made a shameless plug. ISDN emulator on the NET http://208.1.40.80/ica/isdnsim.nsf www.brooktrout.com/pages/product_info/pi_data_wan/pdf/multiport.pdf www.diem.com/BT90001.htm http://www.tele-products.com/ http://www.arca-technologies.com/solohome.html http://www.conway-engineering.com/ 5105307682 http://www.acacia-net.com/ http://www.taskit.com/ http://www.monitor.co.at/monitor/498/story/isdnsim.html http://www.digitechinc.com http://www.ertmsales.com/products/search/viewcart.cfm?Page=1QtyNA= Brad Ellis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ronald, If you want the lowest price simulator available, you should go with the simline2. It has S/T interfaces so it goes nicely with 2503s, 2504s, etc. Paul B. (the owner of groupstudy) also bought one of these for his home lab. I believe he posted about it somewhere. Check the archives: www.groupstudy.com If you want more detailed information on the simline2 you can visit www.cheapisdn.com thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc Ronald James wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... just wondering anybody knows which isdn simulator is best for home lab in terms of functionalities and pricing? hope this is not violating nda, but very interest to see whether real ccie lab use isdn simulator or isdn lines?? if it's a simulator, which brand? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=34000t=33841 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]