RE: Passed BCMSN [7:4546]
John, Kevin and Group, I know most on this list agree.. What difference does it make if we start from books go to experience, or start with experience and go to books? The main point is we know where we want to go, and either way we'll get there. Does anyone on list know the story of blue crabs in a bucket? No matter how many crabs try to escape, they always get pulled back down by a crab below them. No crab ever gets away, and no lid is ever used. So if somebody finds fault with your path, your way, remember those blue crabs. They're really yummy. live well, smile lots, - susan lab scheduled for Jan. 10/11, 2002 RTC Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=5255t=4546 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed BCMSN [7:4546]
John, Kevin and Group, I know most on this list agree.. What difference does it make if we start from books go to experience, or start with experience and go to books? The main point is we know where we want to go, and either way we'll get there. Valid observation. It's a constant circle. Part of my job involves designing routers and protocol implementation, so I can't have had experience on something that doesn't yet exist. A deep knowledge of real theory -- in the computer science sense, not just message formats and the like -- is what I have to fall back on. But experience is a factor. When I started working with the Stratacom/Cisco switches, I wasn't dependent only on the courseware -- I knew what the things were supposed to do, so I started looking for features and commands I knew had to be there. Does anyone on list know the story of blue crabs in a bucket? No matter how many crabs try to escape, they always get pulled back down by a crab below them. No crab ever gets away, and no lid is ever used. So if somebody finds fault with your path, your way, remember those blue crabs. They're really yummy. I have to share one vaguely on-topic story from my days teaching with Geotrain. Training partners have lots of work to do shipping around the portable labs, and they often have a couple of freight specialists on staff. It's especially bad if the equipment has traveled internationally. We had our freight person go to Baltimore-Washington Airport, in the Delta air freight area, to help get our equipment out of Customs during a Customs crackdown. Apparently, there was one shipment ahead of ours in the inspector's queue: a shipment of live crabs. They were in what essentially was a cage -- a series of pans with chicken wire around them. Not satisfied with poking through the wire, the inspector insisted on having a cage opened. For whatever reason, loosening a particular wire caused an entire stack of cages to fall apart. The standard crab protocol of pulling back escapers doesn't apply when all of the crabs are on the floor. Crabs to the left of them. Crabs to the right of them. Crabs running away. Crabs running at the inspectors, the air freight staff, our freight specialist, etc. Customs inspector losing it completely and screaming STOP THEM! THEY MIGHT BE CARRYING DRUGS! The warehouse smelled of crabs for several weeks, and it did take a while to air out that particular portable lab...its aroma led to some strange student reviews. live well, smile lots, - susan lab scheduled for Jan. 10/11, 2002 RTC Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=5262t=4546 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546]
Please don't get me wrong, I am not advocating memory work without any hands on experience. I just wanted to correct the person who mentioned that one requires practical experience to pass the BCMSN exam. If I had a choice, I would have loved to build a multilayer swithching lab to practice on, but the truth of the matter is that I did not have the resources. If I had put that obstacle in my path , I would have never gotten my CCNP.I pursued my CCNP for the purpose of gaining sound fundamentals in networking issues and to see the broader picture. I strongly believe that if want to pursue a certification to prove your salt in hands on work, go take the CCIE. I really wonder why employers don't set up a lab tests to select job canidates. Kevin Schwantz John Andrews wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I guess I will be first. I am also memorizing and studying in hopes of passing my switching exam with no experience. I currently work for a very small company with ten 95 computers and 15 or so unix machines on a unix server. My main job is to unsnag people who lock their computers up and to print reports. But, I am studying for my tests. Hopefully one day, when I finish I can gain some real networking experience. In the meantime, I am learning the unix language and have learned great self restraint of the defined art of self control when wanting to strangle users. You just keep plugging away, but, noone I don't think would ever say that practical networking experience is not a valuable asset to have..it's just that some of us don't have a choice. But you don't quit trying. And that's my two cents: John Andrews = Original Message From Sudarshan Narasimhachari = Kevin et all Brain dump people out there, I have no comments on your ability to memorise a whole book. What we are talking here about is real achievements. I hope people in this group will agree with me in the difference between real experience and knowledge and just brain dumps. I know there are going to be fumes on this now. Let them come:-) - Sudarshan -Original Message- From: Kevin Schwantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546] I passed BCMS with only a book. Never configured a switch before. You just have to memorise it all. Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a great day! John A FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=5247t=4546 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed BCMSN [7:4546]
I guess I will be first. I am also memorizing and studying in hopes of passing my switching exam with no experience. I currently work for a very small company with ten 95 computers and 15 or so unix machines on a unix server. My main job is to unsnag people who lock their computers up and to print reports. But, I am studying for my tests. Hopefully one day, when I finish I can gain some real networking experience. In the meantime, I am learning the unix language and have learned great self restraint of the defined art of self control when wanting to strangle users. You just keep plugging away, but, noone I don't think would ever say that practical networking experience is not a valuable asset to have..it's just that some of us don't have a choice. But you don't quit trying. And that's my two cents: John Andrews = Original Message From Sudarshan Narasimhachari = Kevin et all Brain dump people out there, I have no comments on your ability to memorise a whole book. What we are talking here about is real achievements. I hope people in this group will agree with me in the difference between real experience and knowledge and just brain dumps. I know there are going to be fumes on this now. Let them come:-) - Sudarshan -Original Message- From: Kevin Schwantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546] I passed BCMS with only a book. Never configured a switch before. You just have to memorise it all. Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have a great day! John A Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=5071t=4546 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed BCMSN [7:4546]
What kind of real achievement are you talking about ? When u study for your degree or diploma in university/institutes, u are still fresh and have not gone out to experience working live outside school environment right ? However, you studied hard for that paper (probably memorized the subject), obtain the paper so that you can get the passport to get job. Then only u can get the real working experience that u are talking about. U don't get REAL WORKING EXPERIENCE in school Same goes here, it is ok for someone to study hard for the paper and after obtaining it, they can actually put it to good use as in getting a job. However performing the job, as in let's say, configuring a cisco switch, is another issue altogether. I know and you know that you have the cert as well as little knowledge on how to go about doing it. I am sure everybody will agree on the point that you can always get relevant help and resources from cisco site or from this or other study groups like this to work your way around the problems. I think some people like the word BRAIN DUMP so much that it has become a tool to use it against inexperienced ones...Stop that OK. It may be wrong on Kevin part to loudhailed out proudly that he has done it without any experience on switches but I could only interpret his action as over exaggeration and not as comment on those experienced ones. If are a experience, then it will be better for you as u need only to concentrate on uncertain areas. Rememer practising in Home LAB will only get you some experinces only.The REAL EXPERINCE comes in when you go out to work in various environments and touch various hardwares.Sadly not everybody has the chance to do it. Some will get more of it and other will touch some or none of it. cheers. -Original Message- From: Sudarshan Narasimhachari [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 5:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546] Kevin et all Brain dump people out there, I have no comments on your ability to memorise a whole book. What we are talking here about is real achievements. I hope people in this group will agree with me in the difference between real experience and knowledge and just brain dumps. I know there are going to be fumes on this now. Let them come:-) - Sudarshan -Original Message- From: Kevin Schwantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546] I passed BCMS with only a book. Never configured a switch before. You just have to memorise it all. Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4946t=4546 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Passed BCMSN [7:4546]
Rather be an expert in the field with the proper knowledge then to know a whole book by heart. :) -Original Message- From: Sudarshan Narasimhachari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: donderdag 17 mei 2001 23:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546] Kevin et all Brain dump people out there, I have no comments on your ability to memorise a whole book. What we are talking here about is real achievements. I hope people in this group will agree with me in the difference between real experience and knowledge and just brain dumps. I know there are going to be fumes on this now. Let them come:-) - Sudarshan -Original Message- From: Kevin Schwantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546] I passed BCMS with only a book. Never configured a switch before. You just have to memorise it all. Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4965t=4546 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546]
I passed BCMS with only a book. Never configured a switch before. You just have to memorise it all. Kevin Sudarshan Narasimhachari wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hello Groupies, Further to my yesterday's posting, I got queries about the set command software tester and also about what to prepare. In my opinion, the books I mentioned earlier in the mail should be enough, I think. Of course other than any practical experience. In my opinion only book knowledge is not enough to pass these exams. I did some research on where I got the software tester from. Thanks to Mr. Ole Drews Jensen. Sorry Mr. Jensen, I forgot your name :-(. Here is the link to his homepage with lots of good information (Ole the Hear me link was cool, you are playing good man:-)). I should say, keep the good thing going once again, to Ole. http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp/ Whoever needs Ole's set command tester (trainer as Ole calls it) can look under the switching link and you will find it. BRgds Sudarshan __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4857t=4546 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546]
Kevin et all Brain dump people out there, I have no comments on your ability to memorise a whole book. What we are talking here about is real achievements. I hope people in this group will agree with me in the difference between real experience and knowledge and just brain dumps. I know there are going to be fumes on this now. Let them come:-) - Sudarshan -Original Message- From: Kevin Schwantz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546] I passed BCMS with only a book. Never configured a switch before. You just have to memorise it all. Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4864t=4546 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Passed BCMSN [7:4546]
Hello Groupies, Further to my yesterday's posting, I got queries about the set command software tester and also about what to prepare. In my opinion, the books I mentioned earlier in the mail should be enough, I think. Of course other than any practical experience. In my opinion only book knowledge is not enough to pass these exams. I did some research on where I got the software tester from. Thanks to Mr. Ole Drews Jensen. Sorry Mr. Jensen, I forgot your name :-(. Here is the link to his homepage with lots of good information (Ole the Hear me link was cool, you are playing good man:-)). I should say, keep the good thing going once again, to Ole. http://www.oledrews.com/ccnp/ Whoever needs Ole's set command tester (trainer as Ole calls it) can look under the switching link and you will find it. BRgds Sudarshan __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4546t=4546 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
