Re: Questions before tests [7:56452]
I've heard this same thing too. However, I really don't put much weight in it. Here's why. Let's say you answer all the questions in a way that makes you seem like a beginner. It would make sense that you would probably get easier questions. Why would Cisco want a CCNA, CCNP or CCIE out there that could only answer the easiest questions? They want their certifications to mean something so more people will obtain them so more people will be familiar with their products so more people will BUY their products. Doing what you've described would seem to undermine their entire purpose; to sell more product. Anyway, it's my very humble opinion that the people who believe that also believe that the government is monitoring every single phone call made by every American citizen (or insert your nationality in place of American). It's just one more thing to be paranoid about. Besides, you've passed the first three, so you basically know what to expect. Good luck. ""Aaron Ajello"" wrote in message news:200210291447.OAA07111@;groupstudy.com... > I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go and when I have taken the first > three, I just kindof flew through the questions before the test where Cisco > asks about your experience level, whether or not you can configure things on > your own or need help with a coworker, etc. > > Is it true that your answers will determine how the test is graded or what > types of questions you will get on the actual test? I thought it was merely > a survey so Cisco could get an idea of what types of backgrounds people had > who were taking their tests. But recently I read where someone says those > questions will actually determine how Cisco tests you and which questions > from the pool you will receive. > > This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to ask. > > thanks, > Aaron Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56461&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions before tests [7:56452]
I always put B.S. answers anyway - just random clicks. :-) I also note how annoying it is to have to answer the questions *BEFORE* the test - get to it, I say! BJ On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:59:31 GMT Robert Edmonds wrote: > I've heard this same thing too. However, I > really don't put much weight in > it. Here's why. Let's say you answer all the > questions in a way that makes > you seem like a beginner. It would make sense > that you would probably get > easier questions. Why would Cisco want a CCNA, > CCNP or CCIE out there that > could only answer the easiest questions? They > want their certifications to > mean something so more people will obtain them > so more people will be > familiar with their products so more people > will BUY their products. Doing > what you've described would seem to undermine > their entire purpose; to sell > more product. Anyway, it's my very humble > opinion that the people who > believe that also believe that the government > is monitoring every single > phone call made by every American citizen (or > insert your nationality in > place of American). It's just one more thing > to be paranoid about. > Besides, you've passed the first three, so you > basically know what to > expect. Good luck. > ""Aaron Ajello"" wrote in message > news:200210291447.OAA07111@;groupstudy.com... > > I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go > and when I have taken the > first > > three, I just kindof flew through the > questions before the test where > Cisco > > asks about your experience level, whether or > not you can configure things > on > > your own or need help with a coworker, etc. > > > > Is it true that your answers will determine > how the test is graded or what > > types of questions you will get on the actual > test? I thought it was > merely > > a survey so Cisco could get an idea of what > types of backgrounds people > had > > who were taking their tests. But recently I > read where someone says those > > questions will actually determine how Cisco > tests you and which questions > > from the pool you will receive. > > > > This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to > ask. > > > > thanks, > > Aaron > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56463&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Questions before tests [7:56452]
Although this topic has been discussed in the past, there seems to be disagreement on the correct answer. Personally, I have read the wording before some of the surveys and it actually says that your answers will be used to help determine scoring on the exam. I don't believe it determines what questions you get, only the scoring. Whether it's done on all the exams or just some, I don't know. How it's done, I also don't know. My guess is if you downplay your skills too much, you will be graded harder because your skills should match the certification you're trying to achieve. Regardless, don't downplay your skills too much and make sure you really know the material to be safe! :-) Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Aaron Ajello [mailto:aajello@;yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Questions before tests [7:56452] I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go and when I have taken the first three, I just kindof flew through the questions before the test where Cisco asks about your experience level, whether or not you can configure things on your own or need help with a coworker, etc. Is it true that your answers will determine how the test is graded or what types of questions you will get on the actual test? I thought it was merely a survey so Cisco could get an idea of what types of backgrounds people had who were taking their tests. But recently I read where someone says those questions will actually determine how Cisco tests you and which questions from the pool you will receive. This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to ask. thanks, Aaron Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56465&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Questions before tests [7:56452]
The way I interpret this is that the answers you provide will be evaluated against your score and performance for future development of tests, including future scoring mechanisms on exams that are authored. I don't think it is real-time modification of question pools or scoring criteria. I believe they are attempting to gather statistics to make sure the tests are updated properly as time goes on. For example, if someone has 1 year of experience, but can pass all of the CCNP tests, great, good for him. But if a high percentage of candidates with 1 year of experience can pass the CCPN tests, then they must evaluate why the tests are so easy to pass. It would make sense that they would want these kinds of statistics. This is purely my speculation as to the reasoning behind the pre-exam questions.. -Original Message- From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:shawn.kaminski@;eds.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Questions before tests [7:56452] Although this topic has been discussed in the past, there seems to be disagreement on the correct answer. Personally, I have read the wording before some of the surveys and it actually says that your answers will be used to help determine scoring on the exam. I don't believe it determines what questions you get, only the scoring. Whether it's done on all the exams or just some, I don't know. How it's done, I also don't know. My guess is if you downplay your skills too much, you will be graded harder because your skills should match the certification you're trying to achieve. Regardless, don't downplay your skills too much and make sure you really know the material to be safe! :-) Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Aaron Ajello [mailto:aajello@;yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Questions before tests [7:56452] I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go and when I have taken the first three, I just kindof flew through the questions before the test where Cisco asks about your experience level, whether or not you can configure things on your own or need help with a coworker, etc. Is it true that your answers will determine how the test is graded or what types of questions you will get on the actual test? I thought it was merely a survey so Cisco could get an idea of what types of backgrounds people had who were taking their tests. But recently I read where someone says those questions will actually determine how Cisco tests you and which questions from the pool you will receive. This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to ask. thanks, Aaron Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56469&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Questions before tests [7:56452]
Aaron Ajello wrote: > > I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go and when I have > taken the first three, I just kindof flew through the questions > before the test where Cisco asks about your experience level, > whether or not you can configure things on your own or need > help with a coworker, etc. > > Is it true that your answers will determine how the test is > graded or what types of questions you will get on the actual > test? No, your answers to the survey don't determine how the test is graded or the types of questions you will get on the test. And aliens didn't land at Roswell either. :-) You should ask Cisco for the definitive answer, but I think numerous people have before and we've discussed this on the list before, and that was the answer. You could check the archives. They ask you questions about your experience to help them validate the questions. If a high percentage of newbies get a question wrong, but the experienced people get it right, then it's a good question. And vice versa, if the newbies get a question right but the experienced people don't, it might be a bogus question, something like at what OSI layer does ARP run? ;-) I've written tests in the past and that's how the data was used and I doubt it has changed. Priscilla > I thought it was merely a survey so Cisco could get an > idea of what types of backgrounds people had who were taking > their tests. But recently I read where someone says those > questions will actually determine how Cisco tests you and which > questions from the pool you will receive. > > This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to ask. > > thanks, > Aaron > Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56473&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Questions before tests [7:56452]
Priscilla, This doesn't explain why it says at the beginning of the survey (not sure if this is true for all exams), "Your answers to this survey will help in the grading of this exam" (not sure if these are the exact words). I've seen this on some of my exams (not betas) when I've taken the time to read the entire survey. Maybe they're talking about future exams. Who the hell knows what Cisco does? Personally, I couldn't care less because the idea is to know the material, not try to figure out a way to pass the exam knowing as little as possible! :-) Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:nobody@;groupstudy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Questions before tests [7:56452] Aaron Ajello wrote: > > I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go and when I have > taken the first three, I just kindof flew through the questions > before the test where Cisco asks about your experience level, > whether or not you can configure things on your own or need > help with a coworker, etc. > > Is it true that your answers will determine how the test is > graded or what types of questions you will get on the actual > test? No, your answers to the survey don't determine how the test is graded or the types of questions you will get on the test. And aliens didn't land at Roswell either. :-) You should ask Cisco for the definitive answer, but I think numerous people have before and we've discussed this on the list before, and that was the answer. You could check the archives. They ask you questions about your experience to help them validate the questions. If a high percentage of newbies get a question wrong, but the experienced people get it right, then it's a good question. And vice versa, if the newbies get a question right but the experienced people don't, it might be a bogus question, something like at what OSI layer does ARP run? ;-) I've written tests in the past and that's how the data was used and I doubt it has changed. Priscilla > I thought it was merely a survey so Cisco could get an > idea of what types of backgrounds people had who were taking > their tests. But recently I read where someone says those > questions will actually determine how Cisco tests you and which > questions from the pool you will receive. > > This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to ask. > > thanks, > Aaron Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56481&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Questions before tests [7:56452]
Are they stating it from their perspective? "grading of the exam" vs. grading the exam taker. That's the way I always took it... -Original Message- From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:shawn.kaminski@;eds.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Questions before tests [7:56452] Priscilla, This doesn't explain why it says at the beginning of the survey (not sure if this is true for all exams), "Your answers to this survey will help in the grading of this exam" (not sure if these are the exact words). I've seen this on some of my exams (not betas) when I've taken the time to read the entire survey. Maybe they're talking about future exams. Who the hell knows what Cisco does? Personally, I couldn't care less because the idea is to know the material, not try to figure out a way to pass the exam knowing as little as possible! :-) Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:nobody@;groupstudy.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Questions before tests [7:56452] Aaron Ajello wrote: > > I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go and when I have taken the > first three, I just kindof flew through the questions before the test > where Cisco asks about your experience level, whether or not you can > configure things on your own or need help with a coworker, etc. > > Is it true that your answers will determine how the test is graded or > what types of questions you will get on the actual test? No, your answers to the survey don't determine how the test is graded or the types of questions you will get on the test. And aliens didn't land at Roswell either. :-) You should ask Cisco for the definitive answer, but I think numerous people have before and we've discussed this on the list before, and that was the answer. You could check the archives. They ask you questions about your experience to help them validate the questions. If a high percentage of newbies get a question wrong, but the experienced people get it right, then it's a good question. And vice versa, if the newbies get a question right but the experienced people don't, it might be a bogus question, something like at what OSI layer does ARP run? ;-) I've written tests in the past and that's how the data was used and I doubt it has changed. Priscilla > I thought it was merely a survey so Cisco could get an > idea of what types of backgrounds people had who were taking their > tests. But recently I read where someone says those questions will > actually determine how Cisco tests you and which questions from the > pool you will receive. > > This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to ask. > > thanks, > Aaron Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56484&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions before tests [7:56452]
""Kaminski, Shawn G"" wrote in message news:200210291940.TAA15991@;groupstudy.com... > Priscilla, > > This doesn't explain why it says at the beginning of the survey (not sure if > this is true for all exams), "Your answers to this survey will help in the > grading of this exam" (not sure if these are the exact words). I've seen > this on some of my exams (not betas) when I've taken the time to read the > entire survey. Maybe they're talking about future exams. Who the hell knows > what Cisco does? Personally, I couldn't care less because the idea is to > know the material, not try to figure out a way to pass the exam knowing as > little as possible! :-) CL: I answer the survey truthfully every time I take the test. In the last several months I have taken 6 certification tests - CIPT 5 times and DQoS once. CL: CIPT was a MR FR evey time, and I finally passed by one point. DQoS took one attempt and I passed with my usual aplomb. CL: all of which leads me to believe that the survey is probably only used as a means of doing statistical analyses on the questions themselves, and not as a means of grading tests. There is no advantage to grading the tests in anything but an objective manner. There is lots of advantage to analyzing the questions to help determine if the questions are too easy or too hard. > > Shawn K. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Priscilla Oppenheimer [mailto:nobody@;groupstudy.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 1:05 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Questions before tests [7:56452] > > > Aaron Ajello wrote: > > > > I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go and when I have > > taken the first three, I just kindof flew through the questions > > before the test where Cisco asks about your experience level, > > whether or not you can configure things on your own or need > > help with a coworker, etc. > > > > Is it true that your answers will determine how the test is > > graded or what types of questions you will get on the actual > > test? > > No, your answers to the survey don't determine how the test is graded or the > types of questions you will get on the test. And aliens didn't land at > Roswell either. :-) > > You should ask Cisco for the definitive answer, but I think numerous people > have before and we've discussed this on the list before, and that was the > answer. You could check the archives. > > They ask you questions about your experience to help them validate the > questions. If a high percentage of newbies get a question wrong, but the > experienced people get it right, then it's a good question. And vice versa, > if the newbies get a question right but the experienced people don't, it > might be a bogus question, something like at what OSI layer does ARP run? > ;-) > > I've written tests in the past and that's how the data was used and I doubt > it has changed. > > Priscilla > > > I thought it was merely a survey so Cisco could get an > > idea of what types of backgrounds people had who were taking > > their tests. But recently I read where someone says those > > questions will actually determine how Cisco tests you and which > > questions from the pool you will receive. > > > > This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to ask. > > > > thanks, > > Aaron Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56488&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Questions before tests [7:56452]
Oh...and I suppose NOW you're going to tell us that there aren't aliens living among us and that the President ISN'T really the antichrist ruling the world with the Trilateral commission...You guys will believe anything, won't you? heheh :-) >No, your answers to the survey don't determine how the test is graded or the >types of questions you will get on the test. And aliens didn't land at >Roswell either. :-) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56493&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Questions before tests [7:56452]
I just did one, and I took note of what it said. It was something along the lines of gathering data to make the exams better, nothing about it being relevant to your score. It was support And I FAILED BY ONE QUESTION!!! There was one question that had an exhibit, and I didn't realise that in the exhibit you were supposed to do something (it wasn't a drag and drop). I clicked next expecting to get the answer section, but it went to the next question! Now I'll never know, how humiliating.. Booked for Wednesday, this time I'll spank it. Symon -Original Message- From: ""B.J. Wilson"" [mailto:analogkid01@;mindspring.com] Sent: 29 October 2002 16:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Questions before tests [7:56452] I always put B.S. answers anyway - just random clicks. :-) I also note how annoying it is to have to answer the questions *BEFORE* the test - get to it, I say! BJ On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:59:31 GMT Robert Edmonds wrote: > I've heard this same thing too. However, I > really don't put much weight in > it. Here's why. Let's say you answer all the > questions in a way that makes > you seem like a beginner. It would make sense > that you would probably get > easier questions. Why would Cisco want a CCNA, > CCNP or CCIE out there that > could only answer the easiest questions? They > want their certifications to > mean something so more people will obtain them > so more people will be > familiar with their products so more people > will BUY their products. Doing > what you've described would seem to undermine > their entire purpose; to sell > more product. Anyway, it's my very humble > opinion that the people who > believe that also believe that the government > is monitoring every single > phone call made by every American citizen (or > insert your nationality in > place of American). It's just one more thing > to be paranoid about. > Besides, you've passed the first three, so you > basically know what to > expect. Good luck. > ""Aaron Ajello"" wrote in message > news:200210291447.OAA07111@;groupstudy.com... > > I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go > and when I have taken the > first > > three, I just kindof flew through the > questions before the test where > Cisco > > asks about your experience level, whether or > not you can configure things > on > > your own or need help with a coworker, etc. > > > > Is it true that your answers will determine > how the test is graded or what > > types of questions you will get on the actual > test? I thought it was > merely > > a survey so Cisco could get an idea of what > types of backgrounds people > had > > who were taking their tests. But recently I > read where someone says those > > questions will actually determine how Cisco > tests you and which questions > > from the pool you will receive. > > > > This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to > ask. > > > > thanks, > > Aaron > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = This email has been content filtered and subject to spam filtering. If you consider this email is unsolicited please forward the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and request that the sender's domain be blocked from sending any further emails. = Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56613&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Questions before tests [7:56452]
I don't believe the survey questions effect the difficulty level of question that you receive on the ensuing exam, as the exam has already been downloaded to the workstation prior to the point where you are asked the survey questions. Those testing engines are generally not sophisticated enough to adjust test scoring "on the fly". -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:nobody@;groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Moffett, Ryan Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Questions before tests [7:56452] The way I interpret this is that the answers you provide will be evaluated against your score and performance for future development of tests, including future scoring mechanisms on exams that are authored. I don't think it is real-time modification of question pools or scoring criteria. I believe they are attempting to gather statistics to make sure the tests are updated properly as time goes on. For example, if someone has 1 year of experience, but can pass all of the CCNP tests, great, good for him. But if a high percentage of candidates with 1 year of experience can pass the CCPN tests, then they must evaluate why the tests are so easy to pass. It would make sense that they would want these kinds of statistics. This is purely my speculation as to the reasoning behind the pre-exam questions.. -Original Message- From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:shawn.kaminski@;eds.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Questions before tests [7:56452] Although this topic has been discussed in the past, there seems to be disagreement on the correct answer. Personally, I have read the wording before some of the surveys and it actually says that your answers will be used to help determine scoring on the exam. I don't believe it determines what questions you get, only the scoring. Whether it's done on all the exams or just some, I don't know. How it's done, I also don't know. My guess is if you downplay your skills too much, you will be graded harder because your skills should match the certification you're trying to achieve. Regardless, don't downplay your skills too much and make sure you really know the material to be safe! :-) Shawn K. -Original Message- From: Aaron Ajello [mailto:aajello@;yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Questions before tests [7:56452] I'm working on my CCNP, just have CIT to go and when I have taken the first three, I just kindof flew through the questions before the test where Cisco asks about your experience level, whether or not you can configure things on your own or need help with a coworker, etc. Is it true that your answers will determine how the test is graded or what types of questions you will get on the actual test? I thought it was merely a survey so Cisco could get an idea of what types of backgrounds people had who were taking their tests. But recently I read where someone says those questions will actually determine how Cisco tests you and which questions from the pool you will receive. This seems ridiculous to me, but I have to ask. thanks, Aaron Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=56760&t=56452 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
