Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Enough already with the whole Layer 1/Hub debacle. The McGraw Hill stuff isn't that bad. It's a case of either-or when choosing between Cisco Press and Mcgraw Hill. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Try layer 1. Hubs and repeateras are purely physical. They don't process data in any way, shape, or form. All they do is move bits from one port to another. They are focused on BITS, not packets, segments, or frames. Check your OSI layer functions. Bridges and switches are layer 2 Routers and MLS cards are layer 3 4 (depending on whether you're switching/routing by net address or protocol/port) Karen E Young ELF Technologies, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desk: 206-770-4035 Pager: 206-994-4514 "Andrew Larkins" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] alarkins@glocc: bal.co.za Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Sent by: nobody@groups tudy.com 09/07/2000 08:18 AM Please respond to "Andrew Larkins" What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
If you disassemble a _cheap_ repeater (Like the kind used as cable extenders, You'll find mosfet's configured as amplifiers. The analog signal varies depending on the physical Layer you are using. I.e. a rs-232 interface swings between -15V and +15V. Original Message Follows From: "Steve and Monica Brokaw" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Ejay Hire" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:06:17 -0500 Repeaters are digital devices that regenerate the DIGITAL signal for retransmission. AMPLIFIERS amplify analog signals. Steve Brokaw, MCSE CCNA CCNP Sprint Enterprise Network Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ejay Hire Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Repeaters and Hubs are Physical Layer Devices. Repeaters amplify analog signals to reduce attenuation. Hubs provide multiple connection points for a single network segment. Hubs are sometimes called multi-port repeaters. Switches and Bridges are Layer 2 devices. They look at the Layer 2 address (MAC address), and make decisions about the destination of a packet based on the information contained therein. Original Message Follows From: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:18:49 +0200 What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
I am now pursuing my CCNP also and want to use the Cisco materials for studying. But looking at Cisco's web site it looks like they recommend BSCN first. But that Cisco book is not released yet. Are the four CCNP courses independent or does each rely on the preceeding courses? Thanks, Chris Mann CCNA, MCSE, CNE, ASE, CCA -Original Message- From: T. Miller [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Agreed. In my experience of self-studying for MS, Novell, and Cisco certs, I've found each company's official curriculum to be a better source of information than any third party material I've tried...especially for overall knowledge and not just getting a passing score on an exam. Tracy Miller ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Hi all, There was another book recommended for the BSCN exam (additional material) , I think it was by someone called Halabi (or something like that, pls correct me if I'm wrong). It's about protocols/routing IP. Do any of you know what the book is called? Thanks in advance. Jean-Michel -Original Message- From: Mann, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 September 2000 15:24 To: 'T. Miller'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? I am now pursuing my CCNP also and want to use the Cisco materials for studying. But looking at Cisco's web site it looks like they recommend BSCN first. But that Cisco book is not released yet. Are the four CCNP courses independent or does each rely on the preceeding courses? Thanks, Chris Mann CCNA, MCSE, CNE, ASE, CCA -Original Message- From: T. Miller [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Agreed. In my experience of self-studying for MS, Novell, and Cisco certs, I've found each company's official curriculum to be a better source of information than any third party material I've tried...especially for overall knowledge and not just getting a passing score on an exam. Tracy Miller ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
The Amazon.com website puts Thomas's BSCN book publication date at August 21st, but their help desk says the date's been pushed back to September 21st. - Original Message - From: Mann, Chris To: 'T. Miller' ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:23 AM Subject: RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? I am now pursuing my CCNP also and want to use the Cisco materials for studying. But looking at Cisco's web site it looks like they recommend BSCN first. But that Cisco book is not released yet. Are the four CCNP courses independent or does each rely on the preceeding courses? Thanks, Chris Mann CCNA, MCSE, CNE, ASE, CCA -Original Message- From: T. Miller [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Agreed. In my experience of self-studying for MS, Novell, and Cisco certs, I've found each company's official curriculum to be a better source of information than any third party material I've tried...especially for overall knowledge and not just getting a passing score on an exam. Tracy Miller ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Hi, I plan on buying both books - Internet Routing Architectures and the BCSN book from CiscoPress. The book (Internet Routing Architectures) obviously covers all routing protocols I suppose. Does it also cover OSPF and other elements required for the BSCN exam as well? Do you think that these two books are sufficient for the BSCN exam... do you recommend anything else? (I will also be looking for lots of other resources on the Internet- RFCs and all) Thanks, J-M -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 September 2000 16:18 To: Jean-Michel Roberts Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Internet Routing Architectures. It mostly focuses on BGP. Probably the best book in print on BGP routing. Brian On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Jean-Michel Roberts wrote: Hi all, There was another book recommended for the BSCN exam (additional material) , I think it was by someone called Halabi (or something like that, pls correct me if I'm wrong). It's about protocols/routing IP. Do any of you know what the book is called? Thanks in advance. Jean-Michel -Original Message- From: Mann, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 07 September 2000 15:24 To: 'T. Miller'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? I am now pursuing my CCNP also and want to use the Cisco materials for studying. But looking at Cisco's web site it looks like they recommend BSCN first. But that Cisco book is not released yet. Are the four CCNP courses independent or does each rely on the preceeding courses? Thanks, Chris Mann CCNA, MCSE, CNE, ASE, CCA -Original Message- From: T. Miller [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Agreed. In my experience of self-studying for MS, Novell, and Cisco certs, I've found each company's official curriculum to be a better source of information than any third party material I've tried...especially for overall knowledge and not just getting a passing score on an exam. Tracy Miller ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Brian Feeny, CCNA, CCDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http:
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Repeaters and Hubs are Physical Layer Devices. Repeaters amplify analog signals to reduce attenuation. Hubs provide multiple connection points for a single network segment. Hubs are sometimes called multi-port repeaters. Switches and Bridges are Layer 2 devices. They look at the Layer 2 address (MAC address), and make decisions about the destination of a packet based on the information contained therein. Original Message Follows From: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:18:49 +0200 What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Routing TCP/IP Vol 1 by Jeff Doyle from Cisco Press is an excellent book on routing. A must have. The Halabi book is more oriented towards BGP. To an earlier post. Best to take CIT last. You can start with any of the other three. There are plenty of books for BCRAN and BCMSN available now. -Original Message- From: Jean-Michel Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 9:38 AM To: 'Brian' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi, I plan on buying both books - Internet Routing Architectures and the BCSN book from CiscoPress. The book (Internet Routing Architectures) obviously covers all routing protocols I suppose. Does it also cover OSPF and other elements required for the BSCN exam as well? ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
A layer 2 device would be a bridge or a switch. A hub is just a multiport repeater, which just relays signaling. It can't see the MAC address of a NIC, so it doesn't care where the data ends up. Hence, layer 1. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew Larkins Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
in the northern hemisphere repeaters and hubs are considered to be Layer 1 devices. igor --- Andrew Larkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
s'okay...must've been the same thing that came over Thomas when he wrote that book... ;-) - Original Message - From: Andrew Larkins To: Craig Johnson ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Sorry for that extremely stupid post. Of course these devices are not layer 2!..I guess I am at work for to long already. Time to go home.. I don't know what came over me on that one. Apologies - Original Message - From: "Craig Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Andrew Larkins'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? A layer 2 device would be a bridge or a switch. A hub is just a multiport repeater, which just relays signaling. It can't see the MAC address of a NIC, so it doesn't care where the data ends up. Hence, layer 1. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew Larkins Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Is this the Cisco Press book BSCN that you are referring to? What are you using to study for BSCN? Regards, ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Repeaters are digital devices that regenerate the DIGITAL signal for retransmission. AMPLIFIERS amplify analog signals. Steve Brokaw, MCSE CCNA CCNP Sprint Enterprise Network Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ejay Hire Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Repeaters and Hubs are Physical Layer Devices. Repeaters amplify analog signals to reduce attenuation. Hubs provide multiple connection points for a single network segment. Hubs are sometimes called multi-port repeaters. Switches and Bridges are Layer 2 devices. They look at the Layer 2 address (MAC address), and make decisions about the destination of a packet based on the information contained therein. Original Message Follows From: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:18:49 +0200 What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
You are wrong there, Think about this: How can you regenerate a digital signal? By definition a digital signal is made up of discrete values. If some of these are lost, which is why you would want to regenerate the signal, how could you do this? The last person was right with their definition, after all, if you are talking about computers then you are talking about electron flows and these are by nature analogue (ignoring quantum theory which is still a complete mess. etc etc). Andy Lennon ccnp/dp/msce ""Steve and Monica Brokaw"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Repeaters are digital devices that regenerate the DIGITAL signal for retransmission. AMPLIFIERS amplify analog signals. Steve Brokaw, MCSE CCNA CCNP Sprint Enterprise Network Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ejay Hire Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Repeaters and Hubs are Physical Layer Devices. Repeaters amplify analog signals to reduce attenuation. Hubs provide multiple connection points for a single network segment. Hubs are sometimes called multi-port repeaters. Switches and Bridges are Layer 2 devices. They look at the Layer 2 address (MAC address), and make decisions about the destination of a packet based on the information contained therein. Original Message Follows From: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:18:49 +0200 What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Try layer 1. Hubs and repeateras are purely physical. They don't process data in any way, shape, or form. All they do is move bits from one port to another. They are focused on BITS, not packets, segments, or frames. Check your OSI layer functions. Bridges and switches are layer 2 Routers and MLS cards are layer 3 4 (depending on whether you're switching/routing by net address or protocol/port) Karen E Young ELF Technologies, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desk: 206-770-4035 Pager: 206-994-4514 "Andrew Larkins" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] alarkins@glocc: bal.co.za Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Sent by: nobody@groups tudy.com 09/07/2000 08:18 AM Please respond to "Andrew Larkins" What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Well, please so me something other than your opinion to back that up, because here's what I read: "repeater -- a physical layer device that forwards bits, in contrast to bridges and routers, which forward packets." Interconnections, Second Edition Radia Perlman Page 530 "Repeaters fall into two categories: amplifiers and signal-regenerating repeaters. Amplifiers simply amplify the entire incoming signal. Unfortunately, they amplify both the signal and the noise. Signal-regenerating repeaters create an exact duplicate of incoming data by identifying it amidst the noise, reconstructing it, and retransmitting only the desired information. This reduces the noise. The original signal is duplicated, boosted to its original strength, and sent." MCSE: Networking Essentials Study Guide Chellis, Perkins, Strebe Page 393-394. "Repeater -- A physical layer device that only regenerates a bit stream. No intelligence is associated with a repeater" ACRC Exam Cram Morgan, Shroyer pg 410. "repeater Device that regenerates and propagates electrical signals between two network segments. See also segment. " Cut and Paste from CCO http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/10/wwtraining/demos/ccna-demo/glossary/r.ht m Now I suppose we could argue that "bit" doesn't mean digital, but then we'd have to argue exactly what is digital and is anything digital and then we'd have to get into Manchester encoding etc, etc. However, if you plan to get it right on any test you take, you ought to use these definitions, I did. Steve Brokaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of andy lennon Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? You are wrong there, Think about this: How can you regenerate a digital signal? By definition a digital signal is made up of discrete values. If some of these are lost, which is why you would want to regenerate the signal, how could you do this? The last person was right with their definition, after all, if you are talking about computers then you are talking about electron flows and these are by nature analogue (ignoring quantum theory which is still a complete mess. etc etc). Andy Lennon ccnp/dp/msce ""Steve and Monica Brokaw"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Repeaters are digital devices that regenerate the DIGITAL signal for retransmission. AMPLIFIERS amplify analog signals. Steve Brokaw, MCSE CCNA CCNP Sprint Enterprise Network Services -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ejay Hire Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Repeaters and Hubs are Physical Layer Devices. Repeaters amplify analog signals to reduce attenuation. Hubs provide multiple connection points for a single network segment. Hubs are sometimes called multi-port repeaters. Switches and Bridges are Layer 2 devices. They look at the Layer 2 address (MAC address), and make decisions about the destination of a packet based on the information contained therein. Original Message Follows From: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:18:49 +0200 What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message ----- From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Nope, hubs and repeaters deal with Layer 1 only. Adam Hickey CCNA MCP [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Hubs and repeater are Layer 1 devices. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:18:49 +0200 "Andrew Larkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What si wrong with "layer 2 devices" - that is what they are?? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate-Announcement.html _ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track?
Agreed. In my experience of self-studying for MS, Novell, and Cisco certs, I've found each company's official curriculum to be a better source of information than any third party material I've tried...especially for overall knowledge and not just getting a passing score on an exam. Tracy Miller ""Bradley J. Wilson"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00d001c01854$635f8de0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi guys - I'm studying for the CCNP myself, and I bought all four McGraw Hill Technical Expert books (all supervised by Tom Thomas, author of the Cisco OSPF book) - and they stink. I'd wait for the Cisco or even the Syngress books if I were you. Case in point: in the BCMSN book, repeaters and hubs are referred to throughout as "Layer 2 devices." 'Nuff said. Sincerely, Bradley J. Wilson CCNA, CCDA, MCSE, CCSE, CNX-A, NNCSS, MCT, CTT - Original Message - From: Seth Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Study Materials for CCNP 2.0 Track? Hi Tracy, I'm just starting to study for my CCNP as well. I believe--someone correct me if I'm wrong on this--that all the books for the CCNP 2.0 are available save for the BSCN (Building Scalable Cisco Networks) which corresponds to the Routing 2.0 exam. I'm presently studying for the Switching 2.0 exam, and the BCMSN (Building Cisco Multilayer Switched Networks) Cisco Press book is available for that for certain. I believe the BCRAN and CIT books are also available though. Best of luck. ~Seth~ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
