Re: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread John Neiberger

The 1900 series is also menu-driven.  To make things more confusing,
their IOS-type command set is different than the IOS-like commands on
the 2900XL series.

John

 Dennis Laganiere  12/17/01 11:45:33
AM 
I'm trying to sort out once-and-for-all where the demarcation line is
between families of switches.  Here's what I've got so far:

IOS-Based 
Cat 1900 series
Cat 2820 series
Cat 2900XL series

Set-based
Cat5000 series
Cat 6000 series
Cat 6500 series
Cat 2900

However, the 2900XL uses different commands for trunking, portfast and
uplinkfast then the other IOS based switches.  

Does that sound right?

--- Dennis




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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Daniel Cotts

Cisco has had two releases of the 2900XL series. The early ones were
deeper and (I believe) used a 9 pin console cable. I seem to remember that
they did not have the XL logo. Confirmation/denial requested from the list.

For set based command switches then best to be specific: 2901, 2926.

BTW 4000s are set based. 3500XL are IOS based.

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 From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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 The 1900 series is also menu-driven.  To make things more confusing,
 their IOS-type command set is different than the IOS-like commands on
 the 2900XL series.
 
 John
 
  Dennis Laganiere  12/17/01 11:45:33
 AM 
 I'm trying to sort out once-and-for-all where the demarcation line is
 between families of switches.  Here's what I've got so far:
 
 IOS-Based 
 Cat 1900 series
 Cat 2820 series
 Cat 2900XL series
 
 Set-based
 Cat5000 series
 Cat 6000 series
 Cat 6500 series
 Cat 2900
 
 However, the 2900XL uses different commands for trunking, portfast and
 uplinkfast then the other IOS based switches.  
 
 Does that sound right?
 
 --- Dennis




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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Bullock, Jason

right on with the menu driven on the early 1900's ...  they are goofy.



jason



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Cisco has had two releases of the 2900XL series. The early ones were

deeper and (I believe) used a 9 pin console cable. I seem to remember that

they did not have the XL logo. Confirmation/denial requested from the list.



For set based command switches then best to be specific: 2901, 2926.



BTW 4000s are set based. 3500XL are IOS based.



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 From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

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 Subject: Re: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

 

 

 The 1900 series is also menu-driven.  To make things more confusing,

 their IOS-type command set is different than the IOS-like commands on

 the 2900XL series.

 

 John

 

  Dennis Laganiere  12/17/01 11:45:33

 AM 

 I'm trying to sort out once-and-for-all where the demarcation line is

 between families of switches.  Here's what I've got so far:

 

 IOS-Based 

 Cat 1900 series

 Cat 2820 series

 Cat 2900XL series

 

 Set-based

 Cat5000 series

 Cat 6000 series

 Cat 6500 series

 Cat 2900

 

 However, the 2900XL uses different commands for trunking, portfast and

 uplinkfast then the other IOS based switches.  

 

 Does that sound right?

 

 --- Dennis




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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Michael Williams

I believe you are correct that the earlier 2900XL switches were (much)
deeper and required a DB9 console connector.  All of the 2900s I've ever
used were IOS based, not set based.  However, I can't say I've used all of
the different models 2900 out there =)

Mike

Daniel Cotts wrote:
 
 Cisco has had two releases of the 2900XL series. The early
 ones were
 deeper and (I believe) used a 9 pin console cable. I seem to
 remember that
 they did not have the XL logo. Confirmation/denial requested
 from the list.
 
 For set based command switches then best to be specific: 2901,
 2926.
 
 BTW 4000s are set based. 3500XL are IOS based.



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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Bolton, Travis

I know that the 2948G and 2980 switches are Cat Based not IOS.

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Cisco has had two releases of the 2900XL series. The early ones were
deeper and (I believe) used a 9 pin console cable. I seem to remember that
they did not have the XL logo. Confirmation/denial requested from the list.

For set based command switches then best to be specific: 2901, 2926.

BTW 4000s are set based. 3500XL are IOS based.

 -Original Message-
 From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:14 PM
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 Subject: Re: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]
 
 
 The 1900 series is also menu-driven.  To make things more confusing,
 their IOS-type command set is different than the IOS-like commands on
 the 2900XL series.
 
 John
 
  Dennis Laganiere  12/17/01 11:45:33
 AM 
 I'm trying to sort out once-and-for-all where the demarcation line is
 between families of switches.  Here's what I've got so far:
 
 IOS-Based 
 Cat 1900 series
 Cat 2820 series
 Cat 2900XL series
 
 Set-based
 Cat5000 series
 Cat 6000 series
 Cat 6500 series
 Cat 2900
 
 However, the 2900XL uses different commands for trunking, portfast and
 uplinkfast then the other IOS based switches.  
 
 Does that sound right?
 
 --- Dennis




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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm

I've got one of the older 2900XL switches that can't be upgraded to the
newest 2900XL IOS software.  It isn't deeper than any other 2900XL switch
I've seen.  It also uses a standard console cable - the same that you would
use with a Cisco router.

My early 2900XL is also IOS-based, and not CatOS nor menu-driven.

The 2948G layer 3 switch (and 2980 I'd assume as well although I haven't
kept on top of switch releases and this one I'm not familiar with) use CatOS
commands but these switches are not part of the XL line.  And if I recall
correctly, the old obsoleted 2901 switch was also CatOS based (and again
isn't part of the XL line).

The 2900XL series is funky in that although it does use IOS-based commands,
they don't follow the traditional commands - so yes Dennis you are correct.
Whether you're correct on which commands differ, I can't confirm that at the
moment (although I do recall that the trunking and portfast commands are
different and irritatingly so).


  -- Leigh Anne


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I know that the 2948G and 2980 switches are Cat Based not IOS.

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Cisco has had two releases of the 2900XL series. The early ones were
deeper and (I believe) used a 9 pin console cable. I seem to remember that
they did not have the XL logo. Confirmation/denial requested from the list.

For set based command switches then best to be specific: 2901, 2926.

BTW 4000s are set based. 3500XL are IOS based.

 -Original Message-
 From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:14 PM
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 Subject: Re: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]


 The 1900 series is also menu-driven.  To make things more confusing,
 their IOS-type command set is different than the IOS-like commands on
 the 2900XL series.

 John

  Dennis Laganiere  12/17/01 11:45:33
 AM 
 I'm trying to sort out once-and-for-all where the demarcation line is
 between families of switches.  Here's what I've got so far:

 IOS-Based
 Cat 1900 series
 Cat 2820 series
 Cat 2900XL series

 Set-based
 Cat5000 series
 Cat 6000 series
 Cat 6500 series
 Cat 2900

 However, the 2900XL uses different commands for trunking, portfast and
 uplinkfast then the other IOS based switches.

 Does that sound right?

 --- Dennis




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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Leigh Anne Chisholm

By the way Dennis - if you truly want to find the demarcation point, search
all of Cisco's old press releases.  You'll find the origins of each switch
and understand the different OS supported by each.  I found it fascinating
research when I did it...


  -- Leigh Anne

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Subject: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]


I'm trying to sort out once-and-for-all where the demarcation line is
between families of switches.  Here's what I've got so far:

IOS-Based
Cat 1900 series
Cat 2820 series
Cat 2900XL series

Set-based
Cat5000 series
Cat 6000 series
Cat 6500 series
Cat 2900

However, the 2900XL uses different commands for trunking, portfast and
uplinkfast then the other IOS based switches.

Does that sound right?

--- Dennis




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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Dennis Laganiere

Here's what I found so far, if anybody wants to fill in a few blanks...

Cat 4000/5000/6000
Aquired with Crescendo
uses XDI/CatOS

Cat 3000
Aquired with Kalpana
menu (although I don't know if you can bypass the menu to enter commands)

Cat 1900/2800
Aquired with Grand Junction
Menu (although I THINK you can bypass the menu to enter commands)

Cat 2900XL
Cisco Internal development
IOS-like

Cat 8500
Cisco Internal development
No idea what the CLI looks like, but Clark's book seems in indicate that it
was developed with the CatOS in mind...

--- Dennis


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Sent: 12/17/2001 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

By the way Dennis - if you truly want to find the demarcation point,
search
all of Cisco's old press releases.  You'll find the origins of each
switch
and understand the different OS supported by each.  I found it
fascinating
research when I did it...


  -- Leigh Anne

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Dennis Laganiere
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Subject: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]


I'm trying to sort out once-and-for-all where the demarcation line is
between families of switches.  Here's what I've got so far:

IOS-Based
Cat 1900 series
Cat 2820 series
Cat 2900XL series

Set-based
Cat5000 series
Cat 6000 series
Cat 6500 series
Cat 2900

However, the 2900XL uses different commands for trunking, portfast and
uplinkfast then the other IOS based switches.

Does that sound right?

--- Dennis




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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Michael Williams

First off, let me say Shame on me for not being clear enough.  There were
indeed other 2900 models that were set based, like a 2-slot Cat5000 but you
couldn't change the hardware.  I have one of those, it's a Catalyst 2901. 
But these were before the XL series.  As fas as my comment about the newer
switches being deeper and using a DB9 console port, I may be confusing those
with older 1900s instead of 2900s.

Just let me know if I can spread anymore misinformation =)

Mike W.


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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Dennis Laganiere

How does this look?  Any corrections would be appreciated...

Set-based Switches
7   Catalyst 1200 Series
7   Catalyst 2901 
7   Catalyst 2902 
7   Catalyst 2926T/F 
7   Catalyst 2926GS/L 
7   Catalyst 2948G 
7   Catalyst 2980G 
7   Catalyst 4000 Series
7   Catalyst 5000 Series
7   Catalyst 5500 Series
7   Catalyst 6000 Series
7   Catalyst 6500 Series 
7   Catalyst 8500 Series

IOS-like Switches
7   Catalyst 2912XL
7   Catalyst 2924XL
7   Catalyst 3550 Series
7   Catalyst 3500XL Series
7   Catalyst 2950 Series

Menu Setup
7   Catalyst 1700 Series
7   Catalyst 1900 Series
7   Catalyst 2100 Series
7   Catalyst 2800 Series
7   Catalyst 2820 Series
7   Catalyst 3000
7   Catalyst 3100
7   Catalyst 3200 

Switch Routers 
7   Catalyst 2948G-L3
7   Catalyst 4840G
7   Catalyst 4908G-L3 

Token Ring Switch
7   Catalyst 3900
7   Catalyst 2600

Other 
7   Catalyst 6000 Series Switches Running Native IOS

Let me know ...

-=- Dennis

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First off, let me say Shame on me for not being clear enough.  There were
indeed other 2900 models that were set based, like a 2-slot Cat5000 but you
couldn't change the hardware.  I have one of those, it's a Catalyst 2901. 
But these were before the XL series.  As fas as my comment about the newer
switches being deeper and using a DB9 console port, I may be confusing those
with older 1900s instead of 2900s.

Just let me know if I can spread anymore misinformation =)

Mike W.




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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Daniel Cotts

Cat 3000 Menu only. Also sold as the CiscoPro EtherSwitch CPW1601. 

Cat5K Acquired with Crescendo. Cat 4000 and 6000 series developed after it
became Cisco.

Looking at a 1996 Cisco Catalog I also find: 
Cat 2600 Token Ring switch.
Cat 1900
Cat 1800 Token Ring switch.
Cat 1600 Token Ring switch.
Cat 1200 Eight Ethernet ports. RJ-45 or fiber connectors. FDDI uplink
modules.

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 Subject: RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]
 
 
 Here's what I found so far, if anybody wants to fill in a few 
 blanks...
 
 Cat 4000/5000/6000
 Aquired with Crescendo
 uses XDI/CatOS
 
 Cat 3000
 Aquired with Kalpana
 menu (although I don't know if you can bypass the menu to 
 enter commands)
 
 Cat 1900/2800
 Aquired with Grand Junction
 Menu (although I THINK you can bypass the menu to enter commands)
 
 Cat 2900XL
 Cisco Internal development
 IOS-like
 
 Cat 8500
 Cisco Internal development
 No idea what the CLI looks like, but Clark's book seems in 
 indicate that it
 was developed with the CatOS in mind...
 
 --- Dennis
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Leigh Anne Chisholm
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 12/17/2001 3:37 PM
 Subject: RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]
 
 By the way Dennis - if you truly want to find the demarcation point,
 search
 all of Cisco's old press releases.  You'll find the origins of each
 switch
 and understand the different OS supported by each.  I found it
 fascinating
 research when I did it...
 
 
   -- Leigh Anne
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Dennis Laganiere
 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:46 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]
 
 
 I'm trying to sort out once-and-for-all where the demarcation line is
 between families of switches.  Here's what I've got so far:
 
 IOS-Based
 Cat 1900 series
 Cat 2820 series
 Cat 2900XL series
 
 Set-based
 Cat5000 series
 Cat 6000 series
 Cat 6500 series
 Cat 2900
 
 However, the 2900XL uses different commands for trunking, portfast and
 uplinkfast then the other IOS based switches.
 
 Does that sound right?
 
 --- Dennis




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RE: Switch types for BCMSN [7:29391]

2001-12-17 Thread Lee James

Just a quick note on the 1900s. The old 1900c switches, (size of a pizza
box) and db-9 console port were menu driven. the 1924-A standard edition
(software upgradeable to Enterprise edition) and enterprise catalyst
switches (1924-EN), you can choose IOS from the menu and is just like a
2924xl.  They are half the size of the older models, and they have an rj45
console port. (9.00.004) is the latest revision


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