RE: passed CCDA [7:1653]
Point taken. Thought about it again, this frustration mainly came because I didn't document any scenario at all. I just did every one by a quick browse. The impatience added up after 30-40 questions here and there. Maybe meaningless, just curious what those acronyms mean? Adam --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: > Why shouldn't they mix them up? > Are you expecting that, in your job, you will be > able to concentrate solely > on one project until it is finished, and then move > onto the next, with no > intervening interruptions from people asking you > basic technical questions? > Half your luck if you can. Most people I know work > on several projects at > a time, with different requirements, technical > aspects, and politics for > each. And the projects usually have far more > meaningless acronyms or names > than the scenarios in the CCDA exam - by the time > you have COL, COS and > QOL, what chance have you got? :-) > > JMcL > -- Forwarded by Jenny > Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 24/04/2001 > 09:53 am --- > > > "Adam Wang" @groupstudy.com on 24/04/2001 08:39:34 > am > > Please respond to "Adam Wang" > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > > > Subject: passed CCDA [7:1653] > > > Hi group, > > Passed CCDA today. 72 question, 755 to pass, scored > 854. The exam itself is not too hard, but the way > Cisco presents the scenario questions is very > annoying. > > 4 scenarios are scattered among the 72 questions. > What I mean is you got 1 question on case 1, the > next > question on case 4, then some non-scenario > questions. > Then a case question appears again in the middle/end > of the exam. > > > I guess it's because of the random selections of the > question pool. But I feel I have been tested more > on > my memory than my skill of design. I have to > refresh > my memory of each senario once in a while during the > exam. > I hope Cisco will make some change in the future: > Randomize each scenarios, but not mix the questions > among all other questions in the exam. > > Adam > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great > prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1806&t=1653 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: passed CCDA [7:1653]
>Why shouldn't they mix them up? >Are you expecting that, in your job, you will be able to concentrate solely >on one project until it is finished, and then move onto the next, with no >intervening interruptions from people asking you basic technical questions? >Half your luck if you can. Most people I know work on several projects at >a time, with different requirements, technical aspects, and politics for >each. And the projects usually have far more meaningless acronyms or names >than the scenarios in the CCDA exam - by the time you have COL, COS and >QOL, what chance have you got? :-) > >JMcL There's an interesting discussion here. In the Real World, as much as it does or doesn't match testing, there's a difference in time scales between working on multiple projects and having what fighter pilots call "situational awareness." If the pilot isn't CONSTANTLY aware of threats, even while in a dogfight, he can be dead very quickly. So on a real test, I can see grouping case study questions because in the real world, you'd at least have the case study paperwork handy. That being said, it's not quite the way I design sample exams for CertZone. At the present time, the test engine doesn't randomize order or adapt. There may be multiple versions of the same test, but the questions are manually selected. Since the questions are drawn both from the current white paper and the much larger question pool, the author doesn't do the final selection. Nevertheless, I make a point of not writing several questions in a row that deal with very closely related material. The practice test has two purposes: simulating the exam experience, but also reinforcing the reader's understanding. The latter comes from having explanations of each question for immediate feedback. My feeling is that if the reader essentially got the same explanation for several consecutive questions, the lesson would start to become boring. No educational psychological studies to back this, just informed intuition. >-- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 24/04/2001 >09:53 am --- > > >"Adam Wang" @groupstudy.com on 24/04/2001 08:39:34 am > >Please respond to "Adam Wang" > >Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >cc: > > >Subject: passed CCDA [7:1653] > > >Hi group, > >Passed CCDA today. 72 question, 755 to pass, scored >854. The exam itself is not too hard, but the way >Cisco presents the scenario questions is very >annoying. > >4 scenarios are scattered among the 72 questions. >What I mean is you got 1 question on case 1, the next >question on case 4, then some non-scenario questions. >Then a case question appears again in the middle/end >of the exam. > > >I guess it's because of the random selections of the >question pool. But I feel I have been tested more on >my memory than my skill of design. I have to refresh >my memory of each senario once in a while during the >exam. >I hope Cisco will make some change in the future: >Randomize each scenarios, but not mix the questions >among all other questions in the exam. > >Adam > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1699&t=1653 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: passed CCDA [7:1653]
Well anyway. CONGRATULATIONS on a job well done. and by Cilla`s book "top down design" it really is jolly good :-% steve >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" >Reply-To: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: passed CCDA [7:1653] >Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:46:55 -0400 > >It would be gratifying if people would use the design processes taught in >various books to takes notes on the business and technical requirements of >the customers in the case studies. ;-) If one really applied the techniques >taught, I think they could deal with the mixed-up questions. > >Design is very hard to test. This comes up quite often in this list. See >the archives for some interesting discussions (if anyone cares!!) > >Priscilla > >At 09:24 PM 4/23/01, Jason J. Roysdon wrote: > >First off, congrats. That test stumps a lot of experienced folks (just >poor > >test takers). > > > >Best recommendation I tell folks is to read through each scenario >completely > >and take brief notes (get 4 of the blue note cards the testing center >will > >offer you), and the time you spend reading through will pay off as you'll >be > >able to breeze through them afterwards. That's how I did it, I don't >recall > >my score, but it was pretty high. > > > >-- > >Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ > >List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ > > > > > > > >""Adam Wang"" wrote in message > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Hi group, > > > > > > Passed CCDA today. 72 question, 755 to pass, scored > > > 854. The exam itself is not too hard, but the way > > > Cisco presents the scenario questions is very > > > annoying. > > > > > > 4 scenarios are scattered among the 72 questions. > > > What I mean is you got 1 question on case 1, the next > > > question on case 4, then some non-scenario questions. > > > Then a case question appears again in the middle/end > > > of the exam. > > > > > > > > > I guess it's because of the random selections of the > > > question pool. But I feel I have been tested more on > > > my memory than my skill of design. I have to refresh > > > my memory of each senario once in a while during the > > > exam. > > > I hope Cisco will make some change in the future: > > > Randomize each scenarios, but not mix the questions > > > among all other questions in the exam. > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >Priscilla Oppenheimer >http://www.priscilla.com >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1696&t=1653 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: passed CCDA [7:1653]
It would be gratifying if people would use the design processes taught in various books to takes notes on the business and technical requirements of the customers in the case studies. ;-) If one really applied the techniques taught, I think they could deal with the mixed-up questions. Design is very hard to test. This comes up quite often in this list. See the archives for some interesting discussions (if anyone cares!!) Priscilla At 09:24 PM 4/23/01, Jason J. Roysdon wrote: >First off, congrats. That test stumps a lot of experienced folks (just poor >test takers). > >Best recommendation I tell folks is to read through each scenario completely >and take brief notes (get 4 of the blue note cards the testing center will >offer you), and the time you spend reading through will pay off as you'll be >able to breeze through them afterwards. That's how I did it, I don't recall >my score, but it was pretty high. > >-- >Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ >List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ > > > >""Adam Wang"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi group, > > > > Passed CCDA today. 72 question, 755 to pass, scored > > 854. The exam itself is not too hard, but the way > > Cisco presents the scenario questions is very > > annoying. > > > > 4 scenarios are scattered among the 72 questions. > > What I mean is you got 1 question on case 1, the next > > question on case 4, then some non-scenario questions. > > Then a case question appears again in the middle/end > > of the exam. > > > > > > I guess it's because of the random selections of the > > question pool. But I feel I have been tested more on > > my memory than my skill of design. I have to refresh > > my memory of each senario once in a while during the > > exam. > > I hope Cisco will make some change in the future: > > Randomize each scenarios, but not mix the questions > > among all other questions in the exam. > > > > Adam > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1674&t=1653 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: passed CCDA [7:1653]
First off, congrats. That test stumps a lot of experienced folks (just poor test takers). Best recommendation I tell folks is to read through each scenario completely and take brief notes (get 4 of the blue note cards the testing center will offer you), and the time you spend reading through will pay off as you'll be able to breeze through them afterwards. That's how I did it, I don't recall my score, but it was pretty high. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""Adam Wang"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi group, > > Passed CCDA today. 72 question, 755 to pass, scored > 854. The exam itself is not too hard, but the way > Cisco presents the scenario questions is very > annoying. > > 4 scenarios are scattered among the 72 questions. > What I mean is you got 1 question on case 1, the next > question on case 4, then some non-scenario questions. > Then a case question appears again in the middle/end > of the exam. > > > I guess it's because of the random selections of the > question pool. But I feel I have been tested more on > my memory than my skill of design. I have to refresh > my memory of each senario once in a while during the > exam. > I hope Cisco will make some change in the future: > Randomize each scenarios, but not mix the questions > among all other questions in the exam. > > Adam > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1668&t=1653 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: passed CCDA [7:1653]
Why shouldn't they mix them up? Are you expecting that, in your job, you will be able to concentrate solely on one project until it is finished, and then move onto the next, with no intervening interruptions from people asking you basic technical questions? Half your luck if you can. Most people I know work on several projects at a time, with different requirements, technical aspects, and politics for each. And the projects usually have far more meaningless acronyms or names than the scenarios in the CCDA exam - by the time you have COL, COS and QOL, what chance have you got? :-) JMcL -- Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 24/04/2001 09:53 am --- "Adam Wang" @groupstudy.com on 24/04/2001 08:39:34 am Please respond to "Adam Wang" Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: passed CCDA [7:1653] Hi group, Passed CCDA today. 72 question, 755 to pass, scored 854. The exam itself is not too hard, but the way Cisco presents the scenario questions is very annoying. 4 scenarios are scattered among the 72 questions. What I mean is you got 1 question on case 1, the next question on case 4, then some non-scenario questions. Then a case question appears again in the middle/end of the exam. I guess it's because of the random selections of the question pool. But I feel I have been tested more on my memory than my skill of design. I have to refresh my memory of each senario once in a while during the exam. I hope Cisco will make some change in the future: Randomize each scenarios, but not mix the questions among all other questions in the exam. Adam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1663&t=1653 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
