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I agree. It is not the responsibility of the Canadians to monitor people who
enter the US. That is the sole responsibility of the US immigrations and
customs agents. The last time I traveled back into the US from Canada I was
stopped and questioned by US officials.
Jon
-Original Message-
From: Torren Craigie-Manson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
--- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
{snip}
I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if
it's
found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks Canadian
politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI). They
should
have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada.
**I** am not impressed...
Leigh Anne,
Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian authorities should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the failure of US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to the
integrity of Canada.
This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the world. Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge and jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
Torren
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Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't have found another way in?
- Original Message -
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for
murderers and terrorists. Once these people are here, we can't deport
them
because of goofy Canadian politics. When these people come into Canada,
Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have undesirable
backgrounds. Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged
documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens. That makes the US
immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing
policy of letting Canadians pass through the US border with a minimum of
background checking. It's the freedom that Canada enjoys with the US
that's
at risk unless our Government steps up to the plate and tightens things
up.
How often have you heard after the fact that Canada Immigration didn't
investigate into people's backgrounds properly? Far too often I'm afraid.
It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that stopped the guy heading
into the US to blow up LAX on the millenium... it was the US immigration
department.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Torren Craigie-Manson
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
--- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
{snip}
I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this,
if
it's
found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US
whacks Canadian
politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).
They
should
have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered
Canada.
**I** am not impressed...
Leigh Anne,
Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian
authorities should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the
failure of US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to
the
integrity of Canada.
This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the
world. Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge
and jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
Torren
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I received this from my sister and I thought it was worth sharing... JW This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread, but only partial news coverage, was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those. Stand proud, America! This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read regarding the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed for everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do. I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people as you can and emphasize that they should send it to as many of their friends until this letter is sent to every person on the web. I SURE HOPE THAT A LOT MORE READ IT, SO SEND IT ON Lora Arndt 236-1B-10 EHSR - Specialty Material Markets Group Tel: 3-1976 Fax: 3-1958 - Original Message - From: Stephen Mole To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't have found another way in? - Original Message - From: Leigh Anne Chisholm To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for murderers and terrorists. Once these people are here, we can't deport them because of goofy Canadian politics. When these people come into Canada, Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have undesirable backgrounds. Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens. That makes the US immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing policy of letting Canadians pass through the US border with a minimum of background checking. It's the freedom that Canada enjoys with the US that's at risk unless our Government steps up to the plate and tightens things up. How often
RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but Canada pretty much has an open door policy
letting in anyone who wants to come here. You claim refugee status and then
you're permitted to leave your entry point unescorted, unmonitored. The
substantial number of those people never come back to finish being
processed. It's during that processing period many known terrorists are
identitfied and by then it's too late. They've disappeared into the fabric
of our country. Canada is home to a substantial number of terrorist groups
and I hope knowing that makes you feel comfortable.
Where there is a will there is a way, and yes they would have found another
way into the US - but Canada makes it far too easy for that sort of thing to
happen. That's why the US needs to slap Canada's parliment upside the head
for its immigration policies.
Simply put, this is my last public post on this topic. I won't discuss it
again. Groupstudy isn't meant for this type of discussion, but I think it's
important that people in the US know about what goes on in the country that
borders them to the north. The Canadian public has tried for years to get
immigration policies tightened, unsuccessfully. Perhaps the Americans can
help.
And finally, your comments weren't very appropriate for this type of list.
Such behavior doesn't really reflect well on Canadians, now does it.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Stephen Mole
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't have found
another way in?
- Original Message -
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for
murderers and terrorists. Once these people are here, we can't deport
them
because of goofy Canadian politics. When these people come into Canada,
Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have
undesirable
backgrounds. Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged
documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens. That makes the US
immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing
policy of letting Canadians pass through the US border with a minimum of
background checking. It's the freedom that Canada enjoys with the US
that's
at risk unless our Government steps up to the plate and tightens things
up.
How often have you heard after the fact that Canada Immigration didn't
investigate into people's backgrounds properly? Far too often
I'm afraid.
It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that stopped the
guy heading
into the US to blow up LAX on the millenium... it was the US immigration
department.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Torren Craigie-Manson
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
--- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
{snip}
I would really hope that of all the things that come
out of this,
if
it's
found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US
whacks Canadian
politicians upside the head for their lax immigration
policies and
incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).
They
should
have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered
Canada.
**I** am not impressed...
Leigh Anne,
Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian
authorities should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the
failure of US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to
the
integrity of Canada.
This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the
world. Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge
and jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
Torren
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Maybe I am an Idiot (well, there is no doubt that I am
but still...)
If I remember right, when I was in Canada and driving
back into the United States it was the responsibility
of the Customs officers of the United States that were
responible for checking my apples and bananas (and
cemtex and bullets), I don't remember seeing even
ONE Canadian officer there, ehh?
granted I was twelve at the time (two years ago...
well, in terms of maturity)...
is border protection responsibility like the polarity
of the North and South poles? If so, shouldn't it
still be 20,000 more years before we have the
Canadians and the US officers changing booths.
--- Stephen Mole wrote:
Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't
have found another way in?
- Original Message -
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as
being a haven for
murderers and terrorists. Once these people are
here, we can't deport
them
because of goofy Canadian politics. When these
people come into Canada,
Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people
don't have undesirable
backgrounds. Then when they're here, it's easy
for them to get forged
documents indicating that they are Canadian
citizens. That makes the US
immigration department's job more difficult
because of the free flowing
policy of letting Canadians pass through the US
border with a minimum of
background checking. It's the freedom that Canada
enjoys with the US
that's
at risk unless our Government steps up to the
plate and tightens things
up.
How often have you heard after the fact that
Canada Immigration didn't
investigate into people's backgrounds properly?
Far too often I'm afraid.
It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that
stopped the guy heading
into the US to blow up LAX on the millenium... it
was the US immigration
department.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Torren Craigie-Manson
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
--- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
{snip}
I would really hope that of all the things
that come out of this,
if
it's
found that the terrorists came through
Canada, the US
whacks Canadian
politicians upside the head for their lax
immigration policies and
incompetent information service (Canada's
version of the FBI).
They
should
have been tracking those terrorists the
second they entered
Canada.
**I** am not impressed...
Leigh Anne,
Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that
Canadian
authorities should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no
mention of the
failure of US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is
illogical and insulting to
the
integrity of Canada.
This is an emotionally charged situation for
people around the
world. Please
take a minute to stop and think before you
appoint yourself judge
and jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
Torren
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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. If he was rejected for refugee status and he wasn't a Canadian citizen, why was he permitted to be in Canada for three years? He bided his time hoping he could get Canadian citizenship so that he could easily pass into the US and blow up LAX. Canadian officials last night searched Ressams apartment in Montreal. They discovered he had simply walked away from it, leaving clothes in the closet and rotting food in the refrigerator. He then went to a motel in Vancouver, where a maid said he spent hours locked in a back room with a second person, whom authorities are seeking. The maid told ABCNEWS that Ressam rarely allowed his room to be cleaned, but that it smelled like eggs an odor similar to that emitted by sulfur, a common bomb-making component. She also said she had seen many empty plastic containers in the room. The alternative to Canada cleaning up its immigration policies is for the US to deny Canadians easy access into the US--and I don't think any Canadian wants that. -- Leigh Anne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Mairs Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] Maybe I am an Idiot (well, there is no doubt that I am but still...) If I remember right, when I was in Canada and driving back into the United States it was the responsibility of the Customs officers of the United States that were responible for checking my apples and bananas (and cemtex and bullets), I don't remember seeing even ONE Canadian officer there, ehh? granted I was twelve at the time (two years ago... well, in terms of maturity)... is border protection responsibility like the polarity of the North and South poles? If so, shouldn't it still be 20,000 more years before we have the Canadians and the US officers changing booths. --- Stephen Mole wrote: Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't have found another way in? - Original Message - From: Leigh Anne Chisholm To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for murderers and terrorists. Once these people are here, we can't deport them because of goofy Canadian politics. When these people come into Canada, Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have undesirable backgrounds. Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens. That makes the US immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing policy of letting Canadians pass through the US border with a minimum of background checking. It's the freedom that Canada enjoys with the US that's at risk unless our Government steps up to the plate and tightens things up. How often have you heard after the fact that Canada Immigration didn't investigate into people's backgrounds properly? Far too often I'm afraid. It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that stopped the guy heading === message truncated === = John L. Mairs __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19840t=19611 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey Team lets take it easy. Canada has it's problems just like we do.
We're only human. I'm just happy that we have neighbors like them on our
side. I personally consider them a BIG Suburb of the USA.
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Mole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
Take a freakin hike Dipshit. What? they wouldn't have found another way in?
- Original Message -
From: Leigh Anne Chisholm
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:14 PM
Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for
murderers and terrorists. Once these people are here, we can't deport
them
because of goofy Canadian politics. When these people come into Canada,
Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have undesirable
backgrounds. Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged
documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens. That makes the US
immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing
policy of letting Canadians pass through the US border with a minimum of
background checking. It's the freedom that Canada enjoys with the US
that's
at risk unless our Government steps up to the plate and tightens things
up.
How often have you heard after the fact that Canada Immigration didn't
investigate into people's backgrounds properly? Far too often I'm afraid.
It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that stopped the guy heading
into the US to blow up LAX on the millenium... it was the US immigration
department.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Torren Craigie-Manson
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
--- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
{snip}
I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this,
if
it's
found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US
whacks Canadian
politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).
They
should
have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered
Canada.
**I** am not impressed...
Leigh Anne,
Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian
authorities should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the
failure of US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to
the
integrity of Canada.
This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the
world. Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge
and jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
Torren
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--- Jim Dixon wrote: and John LET US BUILD ALLL our new buildings on the East COAST using that NEW Architecture. New East Coast will look like .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. -Original Message- From: John Mairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] I think that we cannot afford to let terrorists think they have succeeded in destroying a monument that represents the econonmic success of the United States. I think it is imperative that we not only rebuild the two 110 story towers using the exact same set of blueprints. I think a grassroots effort to encourage that the two towers be built at a distance one and a half times the original spacing and a THIRD tower a 150 stories high right in the middle. I think that by doing this we heal the wounds of the original towers missing from the Manhattan skyline but also show the uniquely American gesture of the middle finger faced eastward defying terrorism in a subtle but unmistakable fashion. My 2 cents = John L. Mairs __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] = John L. Mairs __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19650t=19611 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think we are getting at humor and defiance. I would be proud to work in those buildings the MINUTE they opened with a feeling of... go ahead loser, you think you can knock our sh*t down and that we will just say ooo golly, those bad people knocked down our building I guess we better not rebuild them anyway similarnot bloody likely, you knock our stuff down we will rebuild it in a minute and three times the size as the last, and beware, because when we come a knockin' it will be 1000 fold the damage you caused and if you try it again we will build it bigger once more and visit you 1,000,000 times over. I hope that provides a satisfactory clue of sorts --- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote: Personally, I haven't a clue what Jim is getting at. Do you really think that people would want to work in towers that are identical to the ones in which so many people died? In a type of attack that could easily happen again? Many of those people have been involved in two terrorist attacks... I doubt they'd be keen to see if there would be a third. I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if it's found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks Canadian politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI). They should have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada. **I** am not impressed... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Mairs Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] --- Jim Dixon wrote: and John LET US BUILD ALLL our new buildings on the East COAST using that NEW Architecture. New East Coast will look like .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. -Original Message- From: John Mairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] I think that we cannot afford to let terrorists think they have succeeded in destroying a monument that represents the econonmic success of the United States. I think it is imperative that we not only rebuild the two 110 story towers using the exact same set of blueprints. I think a grassroots effort to encourage that the two towers be built at a distance one and a half times the original spacing and a THIRD tower a 150 stories high right in the middle. I think that by doing this we heal the wounds of the original towers missing from the Manhattan skyline but also show the uniquely American gesture of the middle finger faced eastward defying terrorism in a subtle but unmistakable fashion. My 2 cents = John L. Mairs __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] = John L. Mairs __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] = John L. Mairs __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19660t=19611 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I like the first part of your idea but we should get the access-lists from somewhere other than Hell. Most of the people we are alluding to come from, or are going, there and you know how they like to share information... ;-) --- Allen May wrote: Don't forget 1024bit IPSec security and access-lists from hell ;) - Original Message - From: John Mairs To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] --- Jim Dixon wrote: and John LET US BUILD ALLL our new buildings on the East COAST using that NEW Architecture. New East Coast will look like .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. -Original Message- From: John Mairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] I think that we cannot afford to let terrorists think they have succeeded in destroying a monument that represents the econonmic success of the United States. I think it is imperative that we not only rebuild the two 110 story towers using the exact same set of blueprints. I think a grassroots effort to encourage that the two towers be built at a distance one and a half times the original spacing and a THIRD tower a 150 stories high right in the middle. I think that by doing this we heal the wounds of the original towers missing from the Manhattan skyline but also show the uniquely American gesture of the middle finger faced eastward defying terrorism in a subtle but unmistakable fashion. My 2 cents = John L. Mairs __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] = John L. Mairs __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] = John L. Mairs __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=19661t=19611 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Another hearty example proving that every idea can be
improved upon.
I like that... (E|) ...that was my sorry attempt at,
using the right hand, E (three bent horizontal
fingers{ala simpsons}) and | ( a very rigid thumb
up)...
That was pretty dumb huh?...maybe one set of buildings
should be built with the 150 story section on
ballbearings on a pivot with a magnet on one side and
me wearing an anvil around my neck so that, no matter
where I am, that set of buildings would be...
facing me..;-)
And to all those that don't know, it is important that
we remember
Humor is, and has always been, an American trademark
tool, that is a powerful healing agent in difficult
times. I grieve as much as anyone else for this
tragedy and have a cousin that had an 8:00am dental
appointment on the 80th floor of building 1 that is
still unaccounted foreveryone has there own way of
dealing with tragedy and flaming those who happen to
use humor as the agent of choice in their healing
process does not serve anyone...lets not forget
THAT...
--- Jim Dixon wrote:
and John LET US BUILD ALLL our new
buildings on the East COAST
using that NEW Architecture.
New East Coast will look like
.!..
.!..
.!..
.!..
.!..
.!..
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From: John Mairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM
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Subject: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
I think that we cannot afford to let terrorists
think
they have succeeded in destroying a monument that
represents the econonmic success of the United
States.
I think it is imperative that we not only rebuild
the
two 110 story towers using the exact same set of
blueprints. I think a grassroots effort to encourage
that the two towers be built at a distance one and a
half times the original spacing and a THIRD tower a
150 stories high right in the middle.
I think that by doing this we heal the wounds of the
original towers missing from the Manhattan skyline
but
also show the uniquely American gesture of the
middle
finger faced eastward defying terrorism in a subtle
but unmistakable fashion.
My 2 cents
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RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]
Several years ago I lived through a massive tornado that went through our city. Although neither my home nor my parents were damaged, there's something traumatic you go through when you've lived through something as violent as that. What I and the rest of the people in the City I live in go through is exactly what the people that lived through the tragedy in New York will go through. It's something you can't describe to someone else... but those people (on the street and in the office towers) will never be the same again. I can't fathom those towers being rebuilt having those people going back to work in buildings that have twice been the target of terrorists. So I guess no, I don't have the testosterone needed to jump at the chance of acting as a terrorist magnet. Neither do most of the people that live in my city... There's a website with several pictures of the twister that can be found at http://datalib.library.ualberta.ca/tornado/new1a.JPG. Note the tiny oil refinery tanks in the background... -- Leigh Anne -Original Message- From: Debbie Becker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 5:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] Oh, Leigh Ann -- you obviously lack the testosterone needed to jump at the chance to act as a terrorist magnet . . . I swear, with the amount of time men sometimes spend flexing their muscles and looking for danger, it's a wonder that the human race hasn't died off . . . Deb - Original Message - From: John Mairs Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:56 PM Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] I think we are getting at humor and defiance. I would be proud to work in those buildings the MINUTE they opened with a feeling of... go ahead loser, you think you can knock our sh*t down and that we will just say ooo golly, those bad people knocked down our building I guess we better not rebuild them anyway similarnot bloody likely, you knock our stuff down we will rebuild it in a minute and three times the size as the last, and beware, because when we come a knockin' it will be 1000 fold the damage you caused and if you try it again we will build it bigger once more and visit you 1,000,000 times over. I hope that provides a satisfactory clue of sorts --- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote: Personally, I haven't a clue what Jim is getting at. Do you really think that people would want to work in towers that are identical to the ones in which so many people died? In a type of attack that could easily happen again? Many of those people have been involved in two terrorist attacks... I doubt they'd be keen to see if there would be a third. I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if it's found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks Canadian politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI). They should have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada. **I** am not impressed... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Mairs Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] --- Jim Dixon wrote: and John LET US BUILD ALLL our new buildings on the East COAST using that NEW Architecture. New East Coast will look like .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. .!.. -Original Message- From: John Mairs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: A plan to rebuild [7:19611] I think that we cannot afford to let terrorists think they have succeeded in destroying a monument that represents the econonmic success of the United States. I think it is imperative that we not only rebuild the two 110 story towers using the exact same set of blueprints. I think a grassroots effort to encourage that the two towers be built at a distance one and a half times the original spacing and a THIRD tower a 150 stories high right in the middle. I think that by doing this we heal the wounds of the original towers missing from the Manhattan skyline but also show the uniquely American gesture of the middle finger faced eastward defying terrorism in a subtle but unmistakable fashion. My 2 cents = John L. Mairs __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] = John L. Mairs
Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]
--- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
{snip}
I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if
it's
found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks Canadian
politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI). They
should
have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada.
**I** am not impressed...
Leigh Anne,
Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian authorities should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the failure of US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to the
integrity of Canada.
This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the world. Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge and jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
Torren
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RE: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]
I guess you're not aware of Canada's reputation as being a haven for
murderers and terrorists. Once these people are here, we can't deport them
because of goofy Canadian politics. When these people come into Canada,
Canada has a responsibility to ensure these people don't have undesirable
backgrounds. Then when they're here, it's easy for them to get forged
documents indicating that they are Canadian citizens. That makes the US
immigration department's job more difficult because of the free flowing
policy of letting Canadians pass through the US border with a minimum of
background checking. It's the freedom that Canada enjoys with the US that's
at risk unless our Government steps up to the plate and tightens things up.
How often have you heard after the fact that Canada Immigration didn't
investigate into people's backgrounds properly? Far too often I'm afraid.
It wasn't the Canadian immigration department that stopped the guy heading
into the US to blow up LAX on the millenium... it was the US immigration
department.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Torren Craigie-Manson
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
--- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
{snip}
I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if
it's
found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US
whacks Canadian
politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI). They
should
have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada.
**I** am not impressed...
Leigh Anne,
Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian
authorities should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the
failure of US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to the
integrity of Canada.
This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the
world. Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge
and jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
Torren
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Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]
I tried to keep this off the list but you sir are so ignorant.
Just when did it become Canada's job to prevent people entering the U.S.?
The last time I went through the border it was American guards that asked me
where I was from, where I was going and looked at my identification.
And just when did it become the U.S.'s business who gets into Canada?
It's a two way street. We get a lot of undesirables from down south too.
And while you're at it, explain to me how these terrorists took flight
training in the U.S. to learn to fly the planes they hi-jacked. How is it
that a Flight Training company employee actually put 2 of these student
pilots up in his house for a few days for the sake of the flight school.
All of this coming off of CNN.
All Canadians grieve at the terrible loss of life as does most of the free
world.
With the inflammatory type of statements you make against your best
neighbour I can see that most people probably don't care what impresses you.
It would be best if you used your brain first before putting mouth or
keyboard in gear.
Kevin Wigle
- Original Message -
From: Torren Craigie-Manson
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September, 2001 22:22
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
--- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
{snip}
I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if
it's
found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks
Canadian
politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI). They
should
have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada.
**I** am not impressed...
Leigh Anne,
Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian authorities
should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the failure of
US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to the
integrity of Canada.
This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the world.
Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge and
jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
Torren
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Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]
Responding to my own post as I seem to have directed my own tirade to the
wrong poster.
Emotions run high and I fell trap to my own accusations. I have apologized
to Torren off-line and I wish to apologize to the list.
Kevin Wigle
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Wigle
To:
Sent: Thursday, 13 September, 2001 00:26
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
I tried to keep this off the list but you sir are so ignorant.
Just when did it become Canada's job to prevent people entering the U.S.?
The last time I went through the border it was American guards that asked
me
where I was from, where I was going and looked at my identification.
And just when did it become the U.S.'s business who gets into Canada?
It's a two way street. We get a lot of undesirables from down south too.
And while you're at it, explain to me how these terrorists took flight
training in the U.S. to learn to fly the planes they hi-jacked. How is it
that a Flight Training company employee actually put 2 of these student
pilots up in his house for a few days for the sake of the flight school.
All of this coming off of CNN.
All Canadians grieve at the terrible loss of life as does most of the free
world.
With the inflammatory type of statements you make against your best
neighbour I can see that most people probably don't care what impresses
you.
It would be best if you used your brain first before putting mouth or
keyboard in gear.
Kevin Wigle
- Original Message -
From: Torren Craigie-Manson
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September, 2001 22:22
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
--- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
{snip}
I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this,
if
it's
found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks
Canadian
politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI).
They
should
have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered
Canada.
**I** am not impressed...
Leigh Anne,
Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian authorities
should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the failure of
US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to
the
integrity of Canada.
This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the world.
Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge and
jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
Torren
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Re: A plan to rebuild.... [7:19611]
If you point one finger at someone else THREE fingers are pointed towards U
and one upwards. The one upwards U can call GOD, Destiny or anything.
- Original Message -
From: Torren Craigie-Manson
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: A plan to rebuild [7:19611]
--- Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote:
{snip}
I would really hope that of all the things that come out of this, if
it's
found that the terrorists came through Canada, the US whacks
Canadian
politicians upside the head for their lax immigration policies and
incompetent information service (Canada's version of the FBI). They
should
have been tracking those terrorists the second they entered Canada.
**I** am not impressed...
Leigh Anne,
Perhaps you can explain to me why you feel that Canadian authorities
should
have spotted these terrorists, but you make no mention of the failure of
US
authorities to spot them. Your statement is illogical and insulting to the
integrity of Canada.
This is an emotionally charged situation for people around the world.
Please
take a minute to stop and think before you appoint yourself judge and
jury,
and begin pointing fingers at _anyone_.
Torren
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