Re: Cisco Lab Changes..Updated [7:46623]
Frank Merrill wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Michael L. Williams wrote: Yeah... I don't get this... I know there aren't any 2950s and 3550s that support power, but there's the 3524-PWR-XL-EN switch that does provide inline power. Can't they make up their mind as to whether they want to do it or not?!?!?! Yes, they do want to do it, and will retire the 3524-PWR as soon as they can. Uh if they DO want to do it (have switches with inline power), then why would they want to retire the 3524-PWR?!?!?! ( I know there's the 4000/6000s but I doubt you'll see someone putting a 4000 switch in an offiste that may only have 20 PCs but may want inline power for IP Phones or wireless) As far as the 3550 replacing the 5000, it says However, the only switching features tested during this time will be those common to both devices - additional features on the Catalyst 3550 will only be tested after November 4th, 2002. What are they referring to? It's still going to suck for those people because they may or may not end up in a lab with a 5000 (CatOS) or a 3550 (IOS). Am I off base here? I think so. It's just a box. What diffence does it make what type it is. If they are going to certify people as 'expert' in internetworking, then what difference does the type of router or switch make? It's just a box that does layer 2 and layer 3 functions. If you are attempting the lab, you should be able to handle it, and I'm sure you can. What difference does it make which box? Don't get me wrong, I can use IOS and CatOS both no problem. But I also don't think it's right to have some people show up to the lab and not know exactly what equipment to expect (because they may have just changed it the day before), unlike every other CCIE candidate before them who knew precisely what equipment they were dealing with (every other CCIE candidate except for the first ones that went through before study guides and bootcamps). Personally, I wish they would stop shipping 6x00s with CatOS and just go forward with Native IOS. I mean, the CatOS is ancient, and it's about time Cisco unified the user interface and commands. Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46682t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They're going to retire the 3524 PWR because it dosen't have the new AVVID capabilites of the new 2950/3550's. They're just waiting for the IEEE to ratify the new 802.3af standard, so they can include it into the 3550 switches. I guess the new standards will use different pins and wires to deliver the power than the current Cisco standard. Michael L. Williams wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Frank Merrill wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Michael L. Williams wrote: Yeah... I don't get this... I know there aren't any 2950s and 3550s that support power, but there's the 3524-PWR-XL-EN switch that does provide inline power. Can't they make up their mind as to whether they want to do it or not?!?!?! Yes, they do want to do it, and will retire the 3524-PWR as soon as they can. Uh if they DO want to do it (have switches with inline power), then why would they want to retire the 3524-PWR?!?!?! ( I know there's the 4000/6000s but I doubt you'll see someone putting a 4000 switch in an offiste that may only have 20 PCs but may want inline power for IP Phones or wireless) As far as the 3550 replacing the 5000, it says However, the only switching features tested during this time will be those common to both devices - additional features on the Catalyst 3550 will only be tested after November 4th, 2002. What are they referring to? It's still going to suck for those people because they may or may not end up in a lab with a 5000 (CatOS) or a 3550 (IOS). Am I off base here? I think so. It's just a box. What diffence does it make what type it is. If they are going to certify people as 'expert' in internetworking, then what difference does the type of router or switch make? It's just a box that does layer 2 and layer 3 functions. If you are attempting the lab, you should be able to handle it, and I'm sure you can. What difference does it make which box? Don't get me wrong, I can use IOS and CatOS both no problem. But I also don't think it's right to have some people show up to the lab and not know exactly what equipment to expect (because they may have just changed it the day before), unlike every other CCIE candidate before them who knew precisely what equipment they were dealing with (every other CCIE candidate except for the first ones that went through before study guides and bootcamps). Personally, I wish they would stop shipping 6x00s with CatOS and just go forward with Native IOS. I mean, the CatOS is ancient, and it's about time Cisco unified the user interface and commands. Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46689t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi , i have the lab at october, and i dont know what is switch , 5000 or 3550?! It's true that CCIE must knowns every things, but the game must be equal for all, and therefore the ccie candidate must known what is the equipment list. what about?! thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46691t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Why does it matter since they said clearly that any 3550 specific options won't be used until mid-November?!?!? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco Lab Changes..Updated [7:46623] Hi , i have the lab at october, and i dont know what is switch , 5000 or 3550?! It's true that CCIE must knowns every things, but the game must be equal for all, and therefore the ccie candidate must known what is the equipment list. what about?! thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46694t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Giuseppe Citerna wrote: Hi , i have the lab at october, and i dont know what is switch , 5000 or 3550?! It's true that CCIE must knowns every things, but the game must be equal for all, and therefore the ccie candidate must known what is the equipment list. what about?! thanks I don't know why some would think that this is unfair. It's thier exam. And I don't necessarily agree that you should know what 'will' be in the lab, but you should be informed what 'might' be in the lab. That way you can be prepared for any eventuality. Good Luck! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46696t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, they do want to do it, and will retire the 3524-PWR as soon as they can. Uh if they DO want to do it (have switches with inline power), then why would they want to retire the 3524-PWR?!?!?! ( I know there's the 4000/6000s but I doubt you'll see someone putting a 4000 switch What I meant was they will continue to offer it and when they can they will do so on the 3550 series, and go ahead and retire the 3524-PWR. What difference does it make which box? Don't get me wrong, I can use IOS and CatOS both no problem. But I also don't think it's right to have some people show up to the lab and not know exactly what equipment to expect I still think that's not as relevant as your making it out to be. It's just an exam. I think it would be even better if they mixed it up a bit and you didn't have a clue what equipment was going to be there. Since they are attempting to certify those who are taking the exam as 'experts' then it shouldn't be a problem for an 'expert'. Right now a candidate should be aware that if they have a lab date in that range then they should expect either switch. through before study guides and bootcamps). Personally, I wish they would stop shipping 6x00s with CatOS and just go forward with Native IOS. I mean, the CatOS is ancient, and it's about time Cisco unified the user interface and commands. IOS is also ancient. It's been around as long or longer than CatOS. I actually prefer the CatOS for switching configuration. I prefer having the hybrid solution in place and I think those developing CatOS have done a fine job with it. I think maybe Cisco should reconsider the 'IOS on everything' mindset. Not everything in the world needs to run the same OS 'just because'. Cisco has not done that good of a job making the functionality and ease of use with IOS on a Catalyst that they have with CatOS. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46695t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Frank Merrill wrote: Therefore, effective November 4th, 2002, the following topics will no longer be tested on the CCIE Routing and Switching exam: IGRP Token Ring Token Ring Switching IPX I wonder, will the new 640-60x tests drop IPX? -- TT Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46625t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The way I read this, between 9/1 and 11/4 there will still be token ring switches in the Lab, and you may still have to be able to work with them. Make sense? Frank Merrill wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It would appear that the changes to the Lab have been clarified and updated, and it looks like the removal of the indicated topics won't actually happen until Nov 4th now: Lab Exam Content and Equipment Changes CCIE Candidates should note the following changes to the technical content and equipment for the CCIE Lab exam. The content changes affect the CCIE Routing and Switching Lab exam, while the equipment changes affect all CCIE certification tracks. The CCIE program continually monitors the topics and technologies covered in the CCIE certification tracks. The end result of this process is that a topic may be removed from the exam to allow greater emphasis on features or technologies that are more current in the industry. Therefore, effective November 4th, 2002, the following topics will no longer be tested on the CCIE Routing and Switching exam: IGRP Token Ring Token Ring Switching IPX Please note that DLSw+ will remain as a valid topic on the exam. Between September 1, 2002 and November 4th, 2002 all CCIE labs will replace the current Catalyst 5000 switches with Catalyst 3550 switches. However, the only switching features tested during this time will be those common to both devices - additional features on the Catalyst 3550 will only be tested after November 4th, 2002. Please note that except for the change in switches, no new topics are being added to the content covered by the Routing and Switching exam. However, many features currently tested will now be able to receive more weight on the exam after November 4th. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46627t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I tell you this is becoming utter nonsense. As I mentioned in an older post I picked up an awesome 5505 for a song and I was expecting to use it to prepare for my first lab attempt on 9/9. Then this news comes out about the 3550. Okay no problem, if I nail the lab the first time(I wish! and will try) then the 3550 is moot for my first lab. I can still prepare with what I have. I would deal with the 3550 if I failed on my first attempt and reschedule after the lab changes came into affect. Now for my first attempt I have to get access to a 3550 or simulate as much as possible on a 2924-XL-EN. This also changes the commercial offerings of my lab, but I will offer everything so students can be well rounded with the hands on stuff. Luckily I picked up a new 3550 for under 2k this week What a pain, I am about to retire from this industry in a year or so. Why do I put myself through this? Because I love this stuff, even though this cert studying is getting boring. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46636t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There's nothing wrong with knowing the IOS based switches just on principal, as one probably installs more of them in a job then the 6500's. The only problem left with the new switches is no in-line power until next year when 802.3af is ratified. -- RFC 1149 Compliant. jeff sicuranza wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I tell you this is becoming utter nonsense. As I mentioned in an older post I picked up an awesome 5505 for a song and I was expecting to use it to prepare for my first lab attempt on 9/9. Then. this news comes out about the 3550. Okay no problem, if I nail the lab the first time(I wish! and will try) then the 3550 is moot for my first lab. I can still prepare with what I have. I would deal with the 3550 if I failed on my first attempt and reschedule after the lab changes came into affect. Now for my first attempt I have to get access to a 3550 or simulate as much as possible on a 2924-XL-EN. This also changes the commercial offerings of my lab, but I will offer everything so students can be well rounded with the hands on stuff. Luckily I picked up a new 3550 for under 2k this week. What a pain, I am about to retire from this industry in a year or so. Why do I put myself through this? Because I love this stuff, even though this cert studying is getting boring. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46645t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Do you have the link for this change? I've just searched CCO, the CCIE what's new area specifically, and I see no mention of this anywhere. - Original Message - From: Frank Merrill To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:43 PM Subject: Cisco Lab Changes..Updated [7:46623] It would appear that the changes to the Lab have been clarified and updated, and it looks like the removal of the indicated topics won't actually happen until Nov 4th now: Lab Exam Content and Equipment Changes CCIE Candidates should note the following changes to the technical content and equipment for the CCIE Lab exam. The content changes affect the CCIE Routing and Switching Lab exam, while the equipment changes affect all CCIE certification tracks. The CCIE program continually monitors the topics and technologies covered in the CCIE certification tracks. The end result of this process is that a topic may be removed from the exam to allow greater emphasis on features or technologies that are more current in the industry. Therefore, effective November 4th, 2002, the following topics will no longer be tested on the CCIE Routing and Switching exam: IGRP Token Ring Token Ring Switching IPX Please note that DLSw+ will remain as a valid topic on the exam. Between September 1, 2002 and November 4th, 2002 all CCIE labs will replace the current Catalyst 5000 switches with Catalyst 3550 switches. However, the only switching features tested during this time will be those common to both devices - additional features on the Catalyst 3550 will only be tested after November 4th, 2002. Please note that except for the change in switches, no new topics are being added to the content covered by the Routing and Switching exam. However, many features currently tested will now be able to receive more weight on the exam after November 4th. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46647t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chuck wrote: The way I read this, between 9/1 and 11/4 there will still be token ring switches in the Lab, and you may still have to be able to work with them. Make sense? Makes sense to me! I suspect, based on that new info, that all of those topics will have to be dealt with now until after Nov 4. Good Luck! Frank Merrill wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It would appear that the changes to the Lab have been clarified and updated, and it looks like the removal of the indicated topics won't actually happen until Nov 4th now: Lab Exam Content and Equipment Changes CCIE Candidates should note the following changes to the technical content and equipment for the CCIE Lab exam. The content changes affect the CCIE Routing and Switching Lab exam, while the equipment changes affect all CCIE certification tracks. The CCIE program continually monitors the topics and technologies covered in the CCIE certification tracks. The end result of this process is that a topic may be removed from the exam to allow greater emphasis on features or technologies that are more current in the industry. Therefore, effective November 4th, 2002, the following topics will no longer be tested on the CCIE Routing and Switching exam: IGRP Token Ring Token Ring Switching IPX Please note that DLSw+ will remain as a valid topic on the exam. Between September 1, 2002 and November 4th, 2002 all CCIE labs will replace the current Catalyst 5000 switches with Catalyst 3550 switches. However, the only switching features tested during this time will be those common to both devices - additional features on the Catalyst 3550 will only be tested after November 4th, 2002. Please note that except for the change in switches, no new topics are being added to the content covered by the Routing and Switching exam. However, many features currently tested will now be able to receive more weight on the exam after November 4th. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46650t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steven A. Ridder wrote: There's nothing wrong with knowing the IOS based switches just on principal, as one probably installs more of them in a job then the 6500's. The only problem left with the new switches is no in-line power until next year when 802.3af is ratified. -- Right, and until they do, the 3524-PWR-XL is still for sale, unlike the 3548-XL and the 3524-XL which go End-of-sale in mid July. They're keeping that one around for that purpose I'm sure! I agree about the IOS on a switch. It's just another Layer 2 or Layer 3 box. If it's too difficult to figure out, then I need to be considering another career! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46651t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chuck Ryan wrote: Do you have the link for this change? I've just searched CCO, the CCIE what's new area specifically, and I see no mention of this anywhere. That's exactly where I found it under the 'What's New' section (18). Here's the link: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/whatsnew.html#18 Watch for that wrap! Good Luck! - Original Message - From: Frank Merrill To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:43 PM Subject: Cisco Lab Changes..Updated [7:46623] It would appear that the changes to the Lab have been clarified and updated, and it looks like the removal of the indicated topics won't actually happen until Nov 4th now: Lab Exam Content and Equipment Changes CCIE Candidates should note the following changes to the technical content and equipment for the CCIE Lab exam. The content changes affect the CCIE Routing and Switching Lab exam, while the equipment changes affect all CCIE certification tracks. The CCIE program continually monitors the topics and technologies covered in the CCIE certification tracks. The end result of this process is that a topic may be removed from the exam to allow greater emphasis on features or technologies that are more current in the industry. Therefore, effective November 4th, 2002, the following topics will no longer be tested on the CCIE Routing and Switching exam: IGRP Token Ring Token Ring Switching IPX Please note that DLSw+ will remain as a valid topic on the exam. Between September 1, 2002 and November 4th, 2002 all CCIE labs will replace the current Catalyst 5000 switches with Catalyst 3550 switches. However, the only switching features tested during this time will be those common to both devices - additional features on the Catalyst 3550 will only be tested after November 4th, 2002. Please note that except for the change in switches, no new topics are being added to the content covered by the Routing and Switching exam. However, many features currently tested will now be able to receive more weight on the exam after November 4th. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46652t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah... I don't get this... I know there aren't any 2950s and 3550s that support power, but there's the 3524-PWR-XL-EN switch that does provide inline power. Can't they make up their mind as to whether they want to do it or not?!?!?! As far as the 3550 replacing the 5000, it says However, the only switching features tested during this time will be those common to both devices - additional features on the Catalyst 3550 will only be tested after November 4th, 2002. What are they referring to? It's still going to suck for those people because they may or may not end up in a lab with a 5000 (CatOS) or a 3550 (IOS). Am I off base here? Mike W. Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... There's nothing wrong with knowing the IOS based switches just on principal, as one probably installs more of them in a job then the 6500's. The only problem left with the new switches is no in-line power until next year when 802.3af is ratified. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46654t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Lab Changes..Updated [7:46623]
Michael L. Williams wrote: Yeah... I don't get this... I know there aren't any 2950s and 3550s that support power, but there's the 3524-PWR-XL-EN switch that does provide inline power. Can't they make up their mind as to whether they want to do it or not?!?!?! Yes, they do want to do it, and will retire the 3524-PWR as soon as they can. As far as the 3550 replacing the 5000, it says However, the only switching features tested during this time will be those common to both devices - additional features on the Catalyst 3550 will only be tested after November 4th, 2002. What are they referring to? It's still going to suck for those people because they may or may not end up in a lab with a 5000 (CatOS) or a 3550 (IOS). Am I off base here? I think so. It's just a box. What diffence does it make what type it is. If they are going to certify people as 'expert' in internetworking, then what difference does the type of router or switch make? It's just a box that does layer 2 and layer 3 functions. If you are attempting the lab, you should be able to handle it, and I'm sure you can. Good Luck! Mike W. Steven A. Ridder wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... There's nothing wrong with knowing the IOS based switches just on principal, as one probably installs more of them in a job then the 6500's. The only problem left with the new switches is no in-line power until next year when 802.3af is ratified. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=46656t=46623 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
