Re: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437]
I'd look into the new 4500 series switches. There is a 4507 that supports dual sup's for redundancy, seems like a good option for the core. Clayton Stuart Pittwood wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I am looking into buying a Catalyst 5509 for the core of our network, I am however confused by the part numbers I will need. I need about 12 + Gigabit Ethernet (Copper) ports, 48 10/100BaseT ports, a GBIC uplink to some 2950G-EIs we have, and an RSM to provide intervlan routing. Can anyone advise of of the part numbers I would need to get the required ports? Am I correct in thinking the the Supervisor Engine III would provide the layer 3 functions? Thanks in advance Stu Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54520t=54437 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437]
I would think about going with a 6509, the 5500 series has been eol'd, but the last support dates are a while away yet. -Original Message- From: Stuart Pittwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437] I am looking into buying a Catalyst 5509 for the core of our network, I am however confused by the part numbers I will need. I need about 12 + Gigabit Ethernet (Copper) ports, 48 10/100BaseT ports, a GBIC uplink to some 2950G-EIs we have, and an RSM to provide intervlan routing. Can anyone advise of of the part numbers I would need to get the required ports? Am I correct in thinking the the Supervisor Engine III would provide the layer 3 functions? Thanks in advance Stu Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54440t=54437 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437]
Lupi, Guy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would think about going with a 6509, the 5500 series has been eol'd, but the last support dates are a while away yet. CL: Lorda mercy!!! you sound like almost all of the Cisco sales guys I know ;- Mention the word core and the only thing they can say is 6509. Let's see - one slot for the sup, one for the 16 port gig blade, one for the 48 port ethernet blade - the rest of the slots for baking pizzas :- CL: 12 copper gig ports and 48x10/100 ports fits nicely into a 4006, which conveniently now sells with an L3 blade.. Use the 10/100/1000 blade, or use the copper gig GBICs, depending on other consideration. CL: OR... I gotta keep brining this up - depending on the applications and traffic flows, a 3550-12G and a cou-ple of 3550-48's might just do the trick. The 12G is L3 out of the box. -Original Message- From: Stuart Pittwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437] I am looking into buying a Catalyst 5509 for the core of our network, I am however confused by the part numbers I will need. I need about 12 + Gigabit Ethernet (Copper) ports, 48 10/100BaseT ports, a GBIC uplink to some 2950G-EIs we have, and an RSM to provide intervlan routing. Can anyone advise of of the part numbers I would need to get the required ports? Am I correct in thinking the the Supervisor Engine III would provide the layer 3 functions? Thanks in advance Stu Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54445t=54437 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437]
Comments inline... --- Chuck's Long Road wrote: Lupi, Guy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would think about going with a 6509, the 5500 series has been eol'd, but the last support dates are a while away yet. CL: Lorda mercy!!! you sound like almost all of the Cisco sales guys I know ;- Mention the word core and the only thing they can say is 6509. Let's see - one slot for the sup, one for the 16 port gig blade, one for the 48 port ethernet blade - the rest of the slots for baking pizzas :- CL: 12 copper gig ports and 48x10/100 ports fits nicely into a 4006, which conveniently now sells with an L3 blade.. Use the 10/100/1000 blade, or use the copper gig GBICs, depending on other consideration. But the 4006 is a wiring closet switch. I recently ran into a company trying to use a 4006 w/sup2 with 12 GBIC ports attached to servers w/gigabit NICs and their performance and throughput suffered. (Ie: In-lost errors, rx-errors, and txmt-errors which all point to excessive traffic and full buffers). I've only seen this w/sup2s however so maybe sup3 or sup4 would help. I've seen other companys also have problems when using 4006 as a core/data-center device with a good amount of servers attached. CL: OR... I gotta keep brining this up - depending on the applications and traffic flows, a 3550-12G and a cou-ple of 3550-48's might just do the trick. The 12G is L3 out of the box. Agreed, or some other vendors box that isn't as pricy as the 6500 series (Extreme, Foundry). -Original Message- From: Stuart Pittwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437] I am looking into buying a Catalyst 5509 for the core of our network, I am however confused by the part numbers I will need. I need about 12 + Gigabit Ethernet (Copper) ports, 48 10/100BaseT ports, a GBIC uplink to some 2950G-EIs we have, and an RSM to provide intervlan routing. Can anyone advise of of the part numbers I would need to get the required ports? Am I correct in thinking the the Supervisor Engine III would provide the layer 3 functions? Thanks in advance Stu __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54448t=54437 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437]
Good points, Erik - some thoughts below: Erick B. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Comments inline... snipp for brevety CL: 12 copper gig ports and 48x10/100 ports fits nicely into a 4006, which conveniently now sells with an L3 blade.. Use the 10/100/1000 blade, or use the copper gig GBICs, depending on other consideration. But the 4006 is a wiring closet switch. I recently ran into a company trying to use a 4006 w/sup2 with 12 GBIC ports attached to servers w/gigabit NICs and their performance and throughput suffered. (Ie: In-lost errors, rx-errors, and txmt-errors which all point to excessive traffic and full buffers). I've only seen this w/sup2s however so maybe sup3 or sup4 would help. I've seen other companys also have problems when using 4006 as a core/data-center device with a good amount of servers attached. CL: according to the specs, the 4006 has a 64 gig backplane, superior to the 65xx's advertised 32 gig out of the box. I do recall some conversation somewhere about Cisco's 6 port gig blade architechture being somewhat restrictive, but I don't recall the details. Something about each three gig ports sharing a chunk of the backplane? If this is the case, I can see certain high speed server applications having problems. Althoug I gotta say, the 65xx architechture isn't any better. CL: also, there could have been other reasons why there were problems in the case you mention. CL: OR... I gotta keep brining this up - depending on the applications and traffic flows, a 3550-12G and a cou-ple of 3550-48's might just do the trick. The 12G is L3 out of the box. Agreed, or some other vendors box that isn't as pricy as the 6500 series (Extreme, Foundry). CL: hush. this is a Cisco list ;- -Original Message- From: Stuart Pittwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437] I am looking into buying a Catalyst 5509 for the core of our network, I am however confused by the part numbers I will need. I need about 12 + Gigabit Ethernet (Copper) ports, 48 10/100BaseT ports, a GBIC uplink to some 2950G-EIs we have, and an RSM to provide intervlan routing. Can anyone advise of of the part numbers I would need to get the required ports? Am I correct in thinking the the Supervisor Engine III would provide the layer 3 functions? Thanks in advance Stu __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54450t=54437 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437]
Were all the servers on the same card and CEF on? I had issues with that, so we re-engineered the traffic to keep as much as possible on individual cards, as the bus on the 4006 is only 2GB, as opposed to the 64 the marketing department claims. Erick B. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Comments inline... --- Chuck's Long Road wrote: Lupi, Guy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would think about going with a 6509, the 5500 series has been eol'd, but the last support dates are a while away yet. CL: Lorda mercy!!! you sound like almost all of the Cisco sales guys I know ;- Mention the word core and the only thing they can say is 6509. Let's see - one slot for the sup, one for the 16 port gig blade, one for the 48 port ethernet blade - the rest of the slots for baking pizzas :- CL: 12 copper gig ports and 48x10/100 ports fits nicely into a 4006, which conveniently now sells with an L3 blade.. Use the 10/100/1000 blade, or use the copper gig GBICs, depending on other consideration. But the 4006 is a wiring closet switch. I recently ran into a company trying to use a 4006 w/sup2 with 12 GBIC ports attached to servers w/gigabit NICs and their performance and throughput suffered. (Ie: In-lost errors, rx-errors, and txmt-errors which all point to excessive traffic and full buffers). I've only seen this w/sup2s however so maybe sup3 or sup4 would help. I've seen other companys also have problems when using 4006 as a core/data-center device with a good amount of servers attached. CL: OR... I gotta keep brining this up - depending on the applications and traffic flows, a 3550-12G and a cou-ple of 3550-48's might just do the trick. The 12G is L3 out of the box. Agreed, or some other vendors box that isn't as pricy as the 6500 series (Extreme, Foundry). -Original Message- From: Stuart Pittwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437] I am looking into buying a Catalyst 5509 for the core of our network, I am however confused by the part numbers I will need. I need about 12 + Gigabit Ethernet (Copper) ports, 48 10/100BaseT ports, a GBIC uplink to some 2950G-EIs we have, and an RSM to provide intervlan routing. Can anyone advise of of the part numbers I would need to get the required ports? Am I correct in thinking the the Supervisor Engine III would provide the layer 3 functions? Thanks in advance Stu __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54449t=54437 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437]
Buy a 4003/4006...the 5000 will be overdriven after 2 or 3 gig ports are in use... especially for the core of the network... Stuart Pittwood wrote: I am looking into buying a Catalyst 5509 for the core of our network, I am however confused by the part numbers I will need. I need about 12 + Gigabit Ethernet (Copper) ports, 48 10/100BaseT ports, a GBIC uplink to some 2950G-EIs we have, and an RSM to provide intervlan routing. Can anyone advise of of the part numbers I would need to get the required ports? Am I correct in thinking the the Supervisor Engine III would provide the layer 3 functions? Thanks in advance Stu -- Larry Letterman Network Engineer Cisco Systems Inc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54453t=54437 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437]
Originally, they were and I had them divide them among the cards and it was better but then they added more servers. I'm a support guy so I try to fix peoples problems after the fact if possible. Here's the Mpps numbers... 4006 w/sup3 or sup4 -- 48 Mpps 4006 w/sup2 -- 18 Mpps Also, I'm told the 4006 has 3 buses each with it's own K1 (granite) chip and theres a 1GB connection between each K1 chip or bus. I've come across something someplace that mentioned that theres actually 2GB for the bus, and 3GB if you enable switch accelaration or add the fabric card. I haven't been able to find anything on cisco to verify this though. I'm also not sure what slot is on what bus. If anyone has any more details, I would be interested so we know what the best placement of devices / modules would be. --- Steven A. Ridder wrote: Were all the servers on the same card and CEF on? I had issues with that, so we re-engineered the traffic to keep as much as possible on individual cards, as the bus on the 4006 is only 2GB, as opposed to the 64 the marketing department claims. Erick B. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Comments inline... --- Chuck's Long Road wrote: Lupi, Guy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would think about going with a 6509, the 5500 series has been eol'd, but the last support dates are a while away yet. CL: Lorda mercy!!! you sound like almost all of the Cisco sales guys I know ;- Mention the word core and the only thing they can say is 6509. Let's see - one slot for the sup, one for the 16 port gig blade, one for the 48 port ethernet blade - the rest of the slots for baking pizzas :- CL: 12 copper gig ports and 48x10/100 ports fits nicely into a 4006, which conveniently now sells with an L3 blade.. Use the 10/100/1000 blade, or use the copper gig GBICs, depending on other consideration. But the 4006 is a wiring closet switch. I recently ran into a company trying to use a 4006 w/sup2 with 12 GBIC ports attached to servers w/gigabit NICs and their performance and throughput suffered. (Ie: In-lost errors, rx-errors, and txmt-errors which all point to excessive traffic and full buffers). I've only seen this w/sup2s however so maybe sup3 or sup4 would help. I've seen other companys also have problems when using 4006 as a core/data-center device with a good amount of servers attached. CL: OR... I gotta keep brining this up - depending on the applications and traffic flows, a 3550-12G and a cou-ple of 3550-48's might just do the trick. The 12G is L3 out of the box. Agreed, or some other vendors box that isn't as pricy as the 6500 series (Extreme, Foundry). -Original Message- From: Stuart Pittwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437] I am looking into buying a Catalyst 5509 for the core of our network, I am however confused by the part numbers I will need. I need about 12 + Gigabit Ethernet (Copper) ports, 48 10/100BaseT ports, a GBIC uplink to some 2950G-EIs we have, and an RSM to provide intervlan routing. Can anyone advise of of the part numbers I would need to get the required ports? Am I correct in thinking the the Supervisor Engine III would provide the layer 3 functions? Thanks in advance Stu __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54461t=54437 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Confused about Catalyst part numbers [7:54437]
True chuck, comments below... --- Chuck's Long Road wrote: Good points, Erik - some thoughts below: snipp for brevety CL: according to the specs, the 4006 has a 64 gig backplane, superior to the 65xx's advertised 32 gig out of the box. Also, take the Mpps numbers into consideration. I don't have them for the 6500 offhand. 5500 -- 1-25 Mpps 4006 w/sup3 or sup4 -- 48 Mpps 4006 w/sup2 -- 18 Mpps I do recall some conversation somewhere about Cisco's 6 port gig blade architechture being somewhat restrictive, but I don't recall the details. If you recall the details, I would be interested. The cisco pages say the 6 port GBIC is non-blocking but doesn't go into details about backplane. Something about each three gig ports sharing a chunk of the backplane? If this is the case, I can see certain high speed server applications having problems. Althoug I gotta say, the 65xx architechture isn't any better. CL: also, there could have been other reasons why there were problems in the case you mention. Agreed. It all depends on the type of traffic and amount happening at same time. IE: You could have 30 gig attached devices that aren't transmitting and run fine but if all 30 are pumping the wire you're likely to have problems. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=54464t=54437 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
