RE: Which Certification? [7:61152]
I think MCSE/CCNP will open more doors, although you will probably find that in most of the jobs, you will be used 90% for MCSE type stuff, and 10% for CCNP type stuff (generalising here I know, but based on my experience). The NP/DP would be better if you would rather just be doing Cisco stuff, but that market is a bit flooded at the mo. I am MCSE and CCNP, but I don't really think that it is a gigantic benefit to know how AD works and EX2K etc. I think if you know how an SMTP mail system works, or an x.500 directory, then it really doesn't matter if it is AD or eDirectory or what ever. I think for a predominantly Microsoft job, the CCNP is a nice cherry on the top. I think for a predominantly Cisco job, then MCSE is not as big a cherry, if you know what I mean. Symon -Original Message- From: Aaron Laws [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 January 2003 22:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Which Certification? [7:61152] I'll have my CCNP completed next week upon successful completion of the Support exam. I was planning on working the CCDA/DP track next before eventually working towards CCIE. I am about to separate from the Military and have been browsing through job postings and noticing significantly more jobs looking for a combination of CCNP and MCSE than I see for just CCNP or CCDP (or both). I am still planning on doing CCDA/DP, but my question is this: for the job market we have today which is the more valuable set of certs to have, CCNP/MCSE or CCNP/CCDP? (emphasize today's job market since I am still planning on doing DA/DP down the road), How beneficial is the MCSE towards CCIE? I have to believe that a thorough understanding of the front end stuff like AD, Exchange, DNS, etc is extremely useful for complex networking/infrastructure issues. What I hope to hear from you is whether that knowledge and experience is required or just helpful. Help me out, throw some opinions out here. I appreciate your guidance and help. = This email has been content filtered and subject to spam filtering. If you consider this email is unsolicited please forward the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and request that the sender's domain be blocked from sending any further emails. = Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61157t=61152 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which Certification? [7:61152]
In my experience, more and more, employers want everything from an employee. Now there are exceptions. Most big companies want specialized people that possibly have other skills. But small companies can't afford to spend double on 2 people, so they look for someone with a jack-of-all-trades type of skills. That being said, I feel anyone that has more certifications is better off in the long run than someone with specialized skills. I, for one, feel that the cisco certification process is a much more intense and gratifying experience than that of MCSE but hey, I'm not an employer. I would think that to an employer, 2 separate field certs are better than one. Just my 2 cents. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Which Certification? [7:61152] I'll have my CCNP completed next week upon successful completion of the Support exam. I was planning on working the CCDA/DP track next before eventually working towards CCIE. I am about to separate from the Military and have been browsing through job postings and noticing significantly more jobs looking for a combination of CCNP and MCSE than I see for just CCNP or CCDP (or both). I am still planning on doing CCDA/DP, but my question is this: for the job market we have today which is the more valuable set of certs to have, CCNP/MCSE or CCNP/CCDP? (emphasize today's job market since I am still planning on doing DA/DP down the road), How beneficial is the MCSE towards CCIE? I have to believe that a thorough understanding of the front end stuff like AD, Exchange, DNS, etc is extremely useful for complex networking/infrastructure issues. What I hope to hear from you is whether that knowledge and experience is required or just helpful. Help me out, throw some opinions out here. I appreciate your guidance and help. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61158t=61152 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Certification? [7:61152]
Symon Thurlow wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think MCSE/CCNP will open more doors, although you will probably find that in most of the jobs, you will be used 90% for MCSE type stuff, and 10% for CCNP type stuff (generalising here I know, but based on my experience). probably because Cisco networks are stable, requiring little intervention once installed, while Microsoft servers require continuous tweaking, if only for the MAC work and file permissions work, which never ends. :- The NP/DP would be better if you would rather just be doing Cisco stuff, but that market is a bit flooded at the mo. I am MCSE and CCNP, but I don't really think that it is a gigantic benefit to know how AD works and EX2K etc. I think if you know how an SMTP mail system works, or an x.500 directory, then it really doesn't matter if it is AD or eDirectory or what ever. I think for a predominantly Microsoft job, the CCNP is a nice cherry on the top. I think for a predominantly Cisco job, then MCSE is not as big a cherry, if you know what I mean. Symon -Original Message- From: Aaron Laws [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 January 2003 22:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Which Certification? [7:61152] I'll have my CCNP completed next week upon successful completion of the Support exam. I was planning on working the CCDA/DP track next before eventually working towards CCIE. I am about to separate from the Military and have been browsing through job postings and noticing significantly more jobs looking for a combination of CCNP and MCSE than I see for just CCNP or CCDP (or both). I am still planning on doing CCDA/DP, but my question is this: for the job market we have today which is the more valuable set of certs to have, CCNP/MCSE or CCNP/CCDP? (emphasize today's job market since I am still planning on doing DA/DP down the road), How beneficial is the MCSE towards CCIE? I have to believe that a thorough understanding of the front end stuff like AD, Exchange, DNS, etc is extremely useful for complex networking/infrastructure issues. What I hope to hear from you is whether that knowledge and experience is required or just helpful. Help me out, throw some opinions out here. I appreciate your guidance and help. = This email has been content filtered and subject to spam filtering. If you consider this email is unsolicited please forward the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and request that the sender's domain be blocked from sending any further emails. = Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61164t=61152 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Certification? [7:61152]
The Long and Winding Road wrote: Symon Thurlow wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think MCSE/CCNP will open more doors, although you will probably find that in most of the jobs, you will be used 90% for MCSE type stuff, and 10% for CCNP type stuff (generalising here I know, but based on my experience). probably because Cisco networks are stable, requiring little intervention once installed, while Microsoft servers require continuous tweaking, if only for the MAC work and file permissions work, which never ends. :- And the original poster should indeed consider that. Although an MCSE/CCNP combination would look very strong on a resume and mean you were qualified for more jobs, what kind of jobs would they be? Do you want to be a server admin (borring) or a network engineer? :) You should decide and then focus there. Of course, it's hard to say in this awful job market, though... MCSE could get your foot in one of the few doors that are open right now. But things will get better this year. There are some signs of recovery. :0 Priscilla The NP/DP would be better if you would rather just be doing Cisco stuff, but that market is a bit flooded at the mo. I am MCSE and CCNP, but I don't really think that it is a gigantic benefit to know how AD works and EX2K etc. I think if you know how an SMTP mail system works, or an x.500 directory, then it really doesn't matter if it is AD or eDirectory or what ever. I think for a predominantly Microsoft job, the CCNP is a nice cherry on the top. I think for a predominantly Cisco job, then MCSE is not as big a cherry, if you know what I mean. Symon -Original Message- From: Aaron Laws [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 January 2003 22:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Which Certification? [7:61152] I'll have my CCNP completed next week upon successful completion of the Support exam. I was planning on working the CCDA/DP track next before eventually working towards CCIE. I am about to separate from the Military and have been browsing through job postings and noticing significantly more jobs looking for a combination of CCNP and MCSE than I see for just CCNP or CCDP (or both). I am still planning on doing CCDA/DP, but my question is this: for the job market we have today which is the more valuable set of certs to have, CCNP/MCSE or CCNP/CCDP? (emphasize today's job market since I am still planning on doing DA/DP down the road), How beneficial is the MCSE towards CCIE? I have to believe that a thorough understanding of the front end stuff like AD, Exchange, DNS, etc is extremely useful for complex networking/infrastructure issues. What I hope to hear from you is whether that knowledge and experience is required or just helpful. Help me out, throw some opinions out here. I appreciate your guidance and help. = This email has been content filtered and subject to spam filtering. If you consider this email is unsolicited please forward the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and request that the sender's domain be blocked from sending any further emails. = Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61167t=61152 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which Certification? [7:61152]
I would totally agree with you on this since MCSE would give us more experience and understanding on LAN while CCNP gives us more experience on WAN. This is such a good combination of cert that I would go for instead of just focusing on Cisco Only. My philosophy is THE MORE YOU KNOW, THE BETTER YOU ARE. It's true that nowaday, IT jobs require a blend of skills not just specializing in one concentration like before. HAI, Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61170t=61152 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Certification? [7:61152]
Thanks guys (and Priscilla), You have hit on the head everything I have been trying to decide. What I enjoy doing more than anything is Network Engineering stuff. I don't even enjoy Server/OS stuff. But with the market like it is, and having to consider that I will have a 19 month old and a 3 month old when I separate from the military (scary huh), I need to look at what is going to get me in the door right away. I get out in June so that doesn't give me enough time to get my MCSE (at least not if I want to learn anything), but maybe enough time to get MCSA and show that I am working towards MCSE. Since my long term plans have me doing what I enjoy, I know I am going to be pressing on with the Cisco track once I get my feet planted. But I think it would be smarter to go with MCSE first to get my foot in the door (and especially if I should have it later one working on CCIE). Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61173t=61152 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
