RE: certification salary posting [7:30237]
I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that these salary surveys are a load of crap. As Sam mentioned, he doesn't support the claims of the salary survey and I agree with him. I think the name of these survey's should be changed to Salary's that we wish we made. People are probably ashamed of the salary's they actually make and inflate the crap out of them for the survey. Just my opinion. Shawn -Original Message- From: sam sneed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: certification salary posting [7:30237] group, I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in NYC where they pay very well. food for thought sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30309t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: certification salary posting [7:30237]
/ Sometimes its body shops (head hunters) that post these inflated salaries counting on some who read these articles will send in there resume to the shop. Half does this a lot. \ Original message Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:43:18 -0500 From: Kaminski, Shawn G Subject: RE: certification salary posting [7:30237] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that these salary surveys are a load of crap. As Sam mentioned, he doesn't support the claims of the salary survey and I agree with him. I think the name of these survey's should be changed to Salary's that we wish we made. People are probably ashamed of the salary's they actually make and inflate the crap out of them for the survey. Just my opinion. Shawn -Original Message- From: sam sneed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: certification salary posting [7:30237] group, I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in NYC where they pay very well. food for thought sam sneed [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30315t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: certification salary posting [7:30237]
I think it is part B.S. and part people that were lucky that are making the avg or above avg. For many of the people making more then the average, I believe it was a combination of 1 - salesmanship 2 - outright LIE 3 - interviewer not making sure they can do what they say they can. I said many not all.. some trully deserve it and more... Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30322t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: certification salary posting [7:30237]
One thing to consider is that the salaries listed on page 3 are for MCSEs WITH the listed cisco cert (and who knows how many other certs). Still, I agree that all of the surveys I've seen are pretty superficial appearing and seem to be 10-20% above salaries I've seen. To do a comprehensive survey would require a lot more factors than certs. Time employed by a particular company, length of experience, size of the company, and company locations are just a few of the variables. Just to throw it out there, when I got my NP, I got a 30% raise, but only after spending a lot of time researching salaries for CCNPs. Also, the raise boosted me to the lowest part of the ranges I was able to document. If you feel you are underpaid, research, document, then request. Just don't be too surprised to get turned down or deferred as the current market doesn't seem to favor employees, and employers know that. Just my 2 cents. Mark I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that these salary surveys are a load of crap. As Sam mentioned, he doesn't support the claims of the salary survey and I agree with him. I think the name of these survey's should be changed to Salary's that we wish we made. People are probably ashamed of the salary's they actually make and inflate the crap out of them for the survey. Just my opinion. Shawn -Original Message- From: sam sneed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: certification salary posting [7:30237] group, I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in NYC where they pay very well. food for thought sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30324t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: certification salary posting [7:30237]
MCSE and CCNA in TX are well below this. I have both and am bringing home a laughable salary. Though I relocated from San Diego,CA home of the inflated salary. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Allen May Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: certification salary posting [7:30237] The TX ones are WAY off according to classifieds the companies I've worked for in the past. Instead of $70K+ for MCSE+I it's more like $35K+ unless you get lucky find a large enough company that doesn't know any better ;) - Original Message - From: c1sc0k1d To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 5:32 PM Subject: Re: certification salary posting [7:30237] I think it's been hashed out on this list before that this survey is pretty ridiculous. Some of the numbers might be slightly representative of the big cities, others are a laugh. A search of the archive should produce the various arguements. The k1d sam sneed wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... group, I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in NYC where they pay very well. food for thought sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30330t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: certification salary posting [7:30237]
To be honest, if I were to take part in the survey, I would inflate the salary and expect most others to do the same. This wouldn't be done out of pride or to impress, but what are you going to get out of giving your real salary out. May as well try to push the going rate up, I would have thought. Otherwise, knowing my employer, he'll try and pay well below the average anyway, pay will spiral downwards and before long, you'd be better off working in the cafe next door. Gaz Paul Jin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think it is part B.S. and part people that were lucky that are making the avg or above avg. For many of the people making more then the average, I believe it was a combination of 1 - salesmanship 2 - outright LIE 3 - interviewer not making sure they can do what they say they can. I said many not all.. some trully deserve it and more... Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30381t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: certification salary posting [7:30237]
Well in CA the cost of living includes assuming you save $$ to move when it falls into the ocean ;) J/K for those offended ;) - Original Message - From: Mark Villanova To: 'Allen May' ; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: RE: certification salary posting [7:30237] MCSE and CCNA in TX are well below this. I have both and am bringing home a laughable salary. Though I relocated from San Diego,CA home of the inflated salary. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Allen May Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 10:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: certification salary posting [7:30237] The TX ones are WAY off according to classifieds the companies I've worked for in the past. Instead of $70K+ for MCSE+I it's more like $35K+ unless you get lucky find a large enough company that doesn't know any better ;) - Original Message - From: c1sc0k1d To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 5:32 PM Subject: Re: certification salary posting [7:30237] I think it's been hashed out on this list before that this survey is pretty ridiculous. Some of the numbers might be slightly representative of the big cities, others are a laugh. A search of the archive should produce the various arguements. The k1d sam sneed wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... group, I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in NYC where they pay very well. food for thought sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30384t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: certification salary posting [7:30237]
Texas is a big state, it depends where you are: I for one am just about right on the money regarding this salary survey, and I work for a small chemical company ( The TX ones are WAY off according to classifieds the companies I've worked for in the past. Instead of $70K+ for MCSE+I it's more like $35K+ unless you get lucky find a large enough company that doesn't know any better ;) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30386t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: certification salary posting [7:30237]
That may be true but I'd also be interested in a more accurate survey. The problem with these surveys is that they don't take enough variables into account. A certification alone is not enough to make a judgement. We should take into account education, years in the field, etc. For example, there are probably CCNAs making double what I'm making because they've got over twice the time in the field, one or more degrees, etc. There are also probably a few CCIEs making less than I, but I'm not so sure about that. ;-) They'd have to be unemployed entirely and that doesn't count! heh heh So, I think a good survey would ask you which certs you have, how long you've been in the field, your educational background, and then your salary. I think the end result would produce data that would be far more useful for comparison. John Gaz 12/28/01 2:15:33 PM To be honest, if I were to take part in the survey, I would inflate the salary and expect most others to do the same. This wouldn't be done out of pride or to impress, but what are you going to get out of giving your real salary out. May as well try to push the going rate up, I would have thought. Otherwise, knowing my employer, he'll try and pay well below the average anyway, pay will spiral downwards and before long, you'd be better off working in the cafe next door. Gaz Paul Jin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think it is part B.S. and part people that were lucky that are making the avg or above avg. For many of the people making more then the average, I believe it was a combination of 1 - salesmanship 2 - outright LIE 3 - interviewer not making sure they can do what they say they can. I said many not all.. some trully deserve it and more... Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30390t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: certification salary posting [7:30237]
Well by taking a meaningful sample of a certification's population you should cover the variation in experience. Personally I would expect lower level certifications to have a wider distribution wrt experience and that should translate into the same in salary. With small populations(numbers of CCIEs) it becomes very difficult to produce a meaningful average by sampling the population. This is especially true when the years of experience has lead to different areas of focus. Those areas of focus make large differences in salary and This doesn't even cover difference between: -Perm. W2'ed employees of a Consulting Firm vs. Corporate -Cost of Living in various parts of the Country/World -COL in mico regions Bottom line is traking averages for these smaller populations will be greatly affected by the types of folks responding and not reflect the highly variable market in a meaningful way. Put 10% of the time you all seem to into studying for certs and put it into looking at the employement marketplace...the return will be just as big as the cert. my $0.0002 micropayment, Darrell John Neiberger wrote: That may be true but I'd also be interested in a more accurate survey. The problem with these surveys is that they don't take enough variables into account. A certification alone is not enough to make a judgement. We should take into account education, years in the field, etc. For example, there are probably CCNAs making double what I'm making because they've got over twice the time in the field, one or more degrees, etc. There are also probably a few CCIEs making less than I, but I'm not so sure about that. ;-) They'd have to be unemployed entirely and that doesn't count! heh heh So, I think a good survey would ask you which certs you have, how long you've been in the field, your educational background, and then your salary. I think the end result would produce data that would be far more useful for comparison. John Gaz 12/28/01 2:15:33 PM To be honest, if I were to take part in the survey, I would inflate the salary and expect most others to do the same. This wouldn't be done out of pride or to impress, but what are you going to get out of giving your real salary out. May as well try to push the going rate up, I would have thought. Otherwise, knowing my employer, he'll try and pay well below the average anyway, pay will spiral downwards and before long, you'd be better off working in the cafe next door. Gaz Paul Jin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I think it is part B.S. and part people that were lucky that are making the avg or above avg. For many of the people making more then the average, I believe it was a combination of 1 - salesmanship 2 - outright LIE 3 - interviewer not making sure they can do what they say they can. I said many not all.. some trully deserve it and more... Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30396t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: certification salary posting [7:30237]
I think it's been hashed out on this list before that this survey is pretty ridiculous. Some of the numbers might be slightly representative of the big cities, others are a laugh. A search of the archive should produce the various arguements. The k1d sam sneed wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... group, I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in NYC where they pay very well. food for thought sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30239t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: certification salary posting [7:30237]
As usual these average salaries are totally inflated and unrealistic!! Microsoft and Cisco ! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30274t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: certification salary posting [7:30237]
The TX ones are WAY off according to classifieds the companies I've worked for in the past. Instead of $70K+ for MCSE+I it's more like $35K+ unless you get lucky find a large enough company that doesn't know any better ;) - Original Message - From: c1sc0k1d To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 5:32 PM Subject: Re: certification salary posting [7:30237] I think it's been hashed out on this list before that this survey is pretty ridiculous. Some of the numbers might be slightly representative of the big cities, others are a laugh. A search of the archive should produce the various arguements. The k1d sam sneed wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... group, I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in NYC where they pay very well. food for thought sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30277t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
