What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295]
Hi, Does anyone have a recommendation or horror story for best ISP to work with for implementing BGP? I am thinking of picking between Worldcom, ATT and Qwest. Thanks Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1295&t=1295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295]
I think you may want to stay away from Qwest, ATT seems not too bad sometimes. But, IMO, just different extend of pain most of the time for all those big names, especially if you are a tiny little customer. Just my two cents. Good Luck KY ""BH"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi, > Does anyone have a recommendation or horror story for best ISP to work with > for implementing BGP? > I am thinking of picking between Worldcom, ATT and Qwest. > Thanks > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1302&t=1295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295]
>Hi, >Does anyone have a recommendation or horror story for best ISP to work with >for implementing BGP? Well, BGP, in and of itself, is a tool. It may or may not be the right tool for a given problem. It may be that for a given problem, you need more than one tool. For that matter, I've had clients that thought they wanted BGP, and in fact it had very little to do with their problem. So what problem are you trying to solve? Can you articulate what routing policy you want to have with the external provider? What are your service level requirements? Your budget? Do you want to manage the BGP router or have the provider do it? >I am thinking of picking between Worldcom, ATT and Qwest. All are capable of doing an excellent job. All of them are sufficiently large companies to guarantee a certain number of clueless people. It may depend on where you are. Oddly, I've had far better experience with AT&T in Nashville than in Washington DC. Ignoring my irritation at AT&T Wireless, I've generally had good experience with them -- except on a US government project with presidential priority. Go figure. I would get proposals from each one, including SLAs, support policies, and pricing. I can tell good and bad stories about each one. Admittedly, you don't need to be a big carrier to make silly proposals. I recently asked my DSL provider to quote on fractional T1 access. The account is billed to Nortel. They proposed a Cisco router. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1310&t=1295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295]
Working for one of these providers now (and the other in the past) my 2 cents is that BGP implementations are almost always ugly no matter who you choose. Most sales people who are responsible for filling out your order form have no clue as to what BGP is or does and therefore do not get all of the required info that engineering needs to implement a BGP session between you and the ISP. My advice is that no matter who you choose get a copy of the order form and make sure you fill out all of the requested information relating to BGP yourself . DO NOT RELY ON THE SALESPERSON to do this for you correctly. Once the order is complete ask to have it gone over on a call with the engineering team that is going to implement your connection. Make sure they have everything they need. They may ask for the routes you plan on advertising as well as router configs and information about other BGP sessions you are running with other providers. Lastly, remember, the ISP is not responsible for configuring your router. Many of the folks that request to use BGP instead of static routes are terribly unprepared to configure their equipment properly. If you want to be on the biggest, badest network out there (Qwest just went to a fully OC-192 backbone running on the Juniper M160 platform) you probably dont want to go with AT&T's 100 year old legacy network ;-) Ed Dombrowski ""KY"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I think you may want to stay away from Qwest, ATT seems not too bad > sometimes. > But, IMO, just different extend of pain most of the time for all those big > names, especially if you are a tiny little customer. > > Just my two cents. > > Good Luck > > KY > > > ""BH"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a recommendation or horror story for best ISP to work > with > > for implementing BGP? > > I am thinking of picking between Worldcom, ATT and Qwest. > > Thanks > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1313&t=1295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295]
It's all going to depend on the luck of the draw as to the engineer you get, I think, at least to some degree (same is true of Cisco TAC, and they're the top as far as support goes, IMHO). Mind you I've only turned up two BGP connections, but Sprint was totally on the ball and great to work with. WorldCom/UUNET was incompetent and I had to walk him through a number for things like getting a default route advertised from them, what customer-only routes mean, etc. (lucky for me I did them after Sprint). Check Boardwatch for ISP costs and latency comparisons. WorldCom is directly connected to nearly 50% of prefixes advertised. I believe Sprint has like 30%. http://www.boardwatch.com/ -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""BH"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi, > Does anyone have a recommendation or horror story for best ISP to work with > for implementing BGP? > I am thinking of picking between Worldcom, ATT and Qwest. > Thanks > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1334&t=1295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295]
I agree with Jason, it's going to be the "luck of the draw" as far as the competency of the Engineering staff that you will have assigned to work with you. We're turned up Internet connections with AT&T, Sprint and Internap. We were lucky and all three were pretty good as far as the BGP configurations went. However, the latency and subsequent response time for our E-commerce users in different parts of the country varied widely between the three with AT&T being by far the worst. IMHO, you can work through most of the initial configuration and setup issues but support and response time is something you will live with for a long time. Consider these factors as well. -Original Message- From: Jason J. Roysdon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295] It's all going to depend on the luck of the draw as to the engineer you get, I think, at least to some degree (same is true of Cisco TAC, and they're the top as far as support goes, IMHO). Mind you I've only turned up two BGP connections, but Sprint was totally on the ball and great to work with. WorldCom/UUNET was incompetent and I had to walk him through a number for things like getting a default route advertised from them, what customer-only routes mean, etc. (lucky for me I did them after Sprint). Check Boardwatch for ISP costs and latency comparisons. WorldCom is directly connected to nearly 50% of prefixes advertised. I believe Sprint has like 30%. http://www.boardwatch.com/ -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""BH"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi, > Does anyone have a recommendation or horror story for best ISP to work with > for implementing BGP? > I am thinking of picking between Worldcom, ATT and Qwest. > Thanks > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1383&t=1295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295]
I can say that every time I've contact Sprint the response has been very fast and satisfactory. I've had to make many follow-up calls to get things done with UUNET. I guess you can relax a little when you're the top dog? I'm glad Cisco TAC doesn't feel that way. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""Laurel Jones"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I agree with Jason, it's going to be the "luck of the draw" as far as the > competency of the Engineering staff that you will have assigned to work with > you. We're turned up Internet connections with AT&T, Sprint and Internap. > We were lucky and all three were pretty good as far as the BGP > configurations went. However, the latency and subsequent response time for > our E-commerce users in different parts of the country varied widely between > the three with AT&T being by far the worst. IMHO, you can work through most > of the initial configuration and setup issues but support and response time > is something you will live with for a long time. Consider these factors as > well. > > -Original Message- > From: Jason J. Roysdon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295] > > > It's all going to depend on the luck of the draw as to the engineer you get, > I think, at least to some degree (same is true of Cisco TAC, and they're the > top as far as support goes, IMHO). Mind you I've only turned up two BGP > connections, but Sprint was totally on the ball and great to work with. > WorldCom/UUNET was incompetent and I had to walk him through a number for > things like getting a default route advertised from them, what customer-only > routes mean, etc. (lucky for me I did them after Sprint). Check Boardwatch > for ISP costs and latency comparisons. WorldCom is directly connected to > nearly 50% of prefixes advertised. I believe Sprint has like 30%. > > http://www.boardwatch.com/ > > -- > Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ > List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ > > > > ""BH"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a recommendation or horror story for best ISP to work > with > > for implementing BGP? > > I am thinking of picking between Worldcom, ATT and Qwest. > > Thanks > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=1452&t=1295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295]
i had the oposite experience with UUNET. they handed me a BGP config that worked great from the getgo. i did have a problem with one half of my class c not failing over correctly in the event that a route went down. we worked through that in about 10 mins though. someone had mistyped my prefix. i have had only one other problem, and that was my bad. my access list wasn't allowing BGP updates/keepalives between UUNET and my router. =\ since then, the network has been reliable, and the support, not that i call on them often, has been great. anyway, just thought i should temper mr. roysdon's bad experience with a good one of my own. james -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295] It's all going to depend on the luck of the draw as to the engineer you get, I think, at least to some degree (same is true of Cisco TAC, and they're the top as far as support goes, IMHO). Mind you I've only turned up two BGP connections, but Sprint was totally on the ball and great to work with. WorldCom/UUNET was incompetent and I had to walk him through a number for things like getting a default route advertised from them, what customer-only routes mean, etc. (lucky for me I did them after Sprint). Check Boardwatch for ISP costs and latency comparisons. WorldCom is directly connected to nearly 50% of prefixes advertised. I believe Sprint has like 30%. http://www.boardwatch.com/ -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""BH"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi, > Does anyone have a recommendation or horror story for best ISP to work with > for implementing BGP? > I am thinking of picking between Worldcom, ATT and Qwest. > Thanks > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=3619&t=1295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295]
Well, like I said, it's going to be up to the actual engineer you get. I'm sure Sprint has its share of newbie engineers, just like any ISP. I'm sure UUNET has a bunch of great engineers as well. I've also had experience with a clueless Sprint "engineer" (just turning up a simple T1 where they were providing the router for the customer, and couldn't troubleshoot the T1). I do have some good news. Once such clueless engineer I've ranted and raved about employed at my same employer is moving along. Tears of joy. (Yes, I'm a cynical b*stard, but I work hard and don't like it when I see someone surfing eBay half the day and playing MP3s loud enough so that I'm having a hard time handling tech support calls). Anyone curious on salary info in my area (Modesto): Going rate for an MCSE2k with decent experience: 45-60K. Found that out with a great guy I wanted to fill this new opening with, but he also had an obscenely-high offer of $75K (well, he's a green MCSE2k with a lot of network experience, but not at the "enterprise" level). I told him to take the $75K even though I'd rather have him working with me, oh well. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""James Riggs"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > i had the oposite experience with UUNET. they handed me a BGP config that > worked great from the getgo. i did have a problem with one half of my class > c not failing over correctly in the event that a route went down. we worked > through that in about 10 mins though. someone had mistyped my prefix. i > have had only one other problem, and that was my bad. my access list wasn't > allowing BGP updates/keepalives between UUNET and my router. =\ > > since then, the network has been reliable, and the support, not that i call > on them often, has been great. > > anyway, just thought i should temper mr. roysdon's bad experience with a > good one of my own. > > james > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:06 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What ISP do you recommend for BGP?? [7:1295] > > > It's all going to depend on the luck of the draw as to the engineer you get, > I think, at least to some degree (same is true of Cisco TAC, and they're the > top as far as support goes, IMHO). Mind you I've only turned up two BGP > connections, but Sprint was totally on the ball and great to work with. > WorldCom/UUNET was incompetent and I had to walk him through a number for > things like getting a default route advertised from them, what customer-only > routes mean, etc. (lucky for me I did them after Sprint). Check Boardwatch > for ISP costs and latency comparisons. WorldCom is directly connected to > nearly 50% of prefixes advertised. I believe Sprint has like 30%. > > http://www.boardwatch.com/ > > -- > Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ > List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ > > > > ""BH"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a recommendation or horror story for best ISP to work > with > > for implementing BGP? > > I am thinking of picking between Worldcom, ATT and Qwest. > > Thanks > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=4373&t=1295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
