RE: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn [7:37474]
Agree. I used both, Concentrator is very impressive. Support from Cisco TAC is great. Checkpoint VPN is good too, but their support is horrible. And their licensing is confusing. Jim --- Joseph Brunner wrote: > The checkpoint is the black sheep of the industry. > It is a poorly > documented, un-intuative, overly licensed > B.S. interface. The checkpoint where I used to work > (nokia IP 440) reminded > me of this cartoon with porky pig > and daffy duck. Porky pig gets a hotel room for > .10Cents. The mouse comes > and starts chewing celery so he can't > sleep. Then daffy wants like $10 for a cat to get > rid of the mouse. Then the > cat keeps him from sleeping > so daffy wants $20 for a dog to get rid of the cat, > and its goes all the way > till an elephant to get rid of a > lion for several hundred dollars. And guess what > gets rid of the elephant, > (now taking up all the space in his > hotel room) ? You guessed it a MOUSE !. Moral of the > story, they string you > along with different answers on each > call (so issues just go in circles), the licenses > make the product too > expensive, while not as good at VPN tunneling > as a Cisco VPN Concentrator, which comes with 100 > USERS for only around $4K. > The Checkpoint is garbage. Avoid it > at all costs. Long live Altiga (Cisco) VPNs. > > Joseph Brunner > ASN 21572 > MortgageIT MITLending > New York, NY 10038 > (212) 651 - 7695 Voice > > > > > -Original Message- > From: ""[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:""[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:18 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn > [7:37474] > > > I've worked with the 3000 concentrator but not with > the Checkpoint. The > 3000 is very user friendly and easy to use. You > have to do minor > configuration via console and then you're off with > the web interface which > is very simple to use. I can't make a > recommendation for which you should > buy but the Cisco products always make me happy. > I've set up a vpn tunnel > from a cisco router to a checkpoint firewall and it > seemed like the person > on the configuring end of the checkpoint had a lot > of problems with > upgrading software and technical support but that > may have been a one person > scenario. I can't say for sure. > > Jason > > -Original Message- > From: Colin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:03 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn > [7:37474] > > > I haven't used both but I had to reply. I had set up > a CheckPoint > SecuRemote VPN, the VPN package that came with CP > 2000 on a Nokia box > and I have to say, it's not worth the hassle. CP > tossed in the VPN > component as a selling point so they could say, "Hey > our firewall does > it all". I should also mention that their > documentation on getting > SecuRemote up and running is sad, if not almost > non-existent. > > Colin > > Alex Lei wrote: > > > Group, > > > > Has anyone used both concentrator 3000 and > checkpoint vpn (either software > > or hardware)? What are each's advantages and > disadvantages? I am > interested > > in the following factors: Ease of installation and > configuration, > security, > > manageability, reporting and logging, scalability, > and pricing. I've > > searched the archives but couldn't find any real > world advices. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37758&t=37474 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn [7:37474]
The checkpoint is the black sheep of the industry. It is a poorly documented, un-intuative, overly licensed B.S. interface. The checkpoint where I used to work (nokia IP 440) reminded me of this cartoon with porky pig and daffy duck. Porky pig gets a hotel room for .10Cents. The mouse comes and starts chewing celery so he can't sleep. Then daffy wants like $10 for a cat to get rid of the mouse. Then the cat keeps him from sleeping so daffy wants $20 for a dog to get rid of the cat, and its goes all the way till an elephant to get rid of a lion for several hundred dollars. And guess what gets rid of the elephant, (now taking up all the space in his hotel room) ? You guessed it a MOUSE !. Moral of the story, they string you along with different answers on each call (so issues just go in circles), the licenses make the product too expensive, while not as good at VPN tunneling as a Cisco VPN Concentrator, which comes with 100 USERS for only around $4K. The Checkpoint is garbage. Avoid it at all costs. Long live Altiga (Cisco) VPNs. Joseph Brunner ASN 21572 MortgageIT MITLending New York, NY 10038 (212) 651 - 7695 Voice -Original Message- From: ""[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:""[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn [7:37474] I've worked with the 3000 concentrator but not with the Checkpoint. The 3000 is very user friendly and easy to use. You have to do minor configuration via console and then you're off with the web interface which is very simple to use. I can't make a recommendation for which you should buy but the Cisco products always make me happy. I've set up a vpn tunnel from a cisco router to a checkpoint firewall and it seemed like the person on the configuring end of the checkpoint had a lot of problems with upgrading software and technical support but that may have been a one person scenario. I can't say for sure. Jason -Original Message- From: Colin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn [7:37474] I haven't used both but I had to reply. I had set up a CheckPoint SecuRemote VPN, the VPN package that came with CP 2000 on a Nokia box and I have to say, it's not worth the hassle. CP tossed in the VPN component as a selling point so they could say, "Hey our firewall does it all". I should also mention that their documentation on getting SecuRemote up and running is sad, if not almost non-existent. Colin Alex Lei wrote: > Group, > > Has anyone used both concentrator 3000 and checkpoint vpn (either software > or hardware)? What are each's advantages and disadvantages? I am interested > in the following factors: Ease of installation and configuration, security, > manageability, reporting and logging, scalability, and pricing. I've > searched the archives but couldn't find any real world advices. > > Thanks, > > Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37592&t=37474 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn [7:37474]
I've worked with the 3000 concentrator but not with the Checkpoint. The 3000 is very user friendly and easy to use. You have to do minor configuration via console and then you're off with the web interface which is very simple to use. I can't make a recommendation for which you should buy but the Cisco products always make me happy. I've set up a vpn tunnel from a cisco router to a checkpoint firewall and it seemed like the person on the configuring end of the checkpoint had a lot of problems with upgrading software and technical support but that may have been a one person scenario. I can't say for sure. Jason -Original Message- From: Colin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn [7:37474] I haven't used both but I had to reply. I had set up a CheckPoint SecuRemote VPN, the VPN package that came with CP 2000 on a Nokia box and I have to say, it's not worth the hassle. CP tossed in the VPN component as a selling point so they could say, "Hey our firewall does it all". I should also mention that their documentation on getting SecuRemote up and running is sad, if not almost non-existent. Colin Alex Lei wrote: > Group, > > Has anyone used both concentrator 3000 and checkpoint vpn (either software > or hardware)? What are each's advantages and disadvantages? I am interested > in the following factors: Ease of installation and configuration, security, > manageability, reporting and logging, scalability, and pricing. I've > searched the archives but couldn't find any real world advices. > > Thanks, > > Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37528&t=37474 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn [7:37474]
I haven't used both but I had to reply. I had set up a CheckPoint SecuRemote VPN, the VPN package that came with CP 2000 on a Nokia box and I have to say, it's not worth the hassle. CP tossed in the VPN component as a selling point so they could say, "Hey our firewall does it all". I should also mention that their documentation on getting SecuRemote up and running is sad, if not almost non-existent. Colin Alex Lei wrote: > Group, > > Has anyone used both concentrator 3000 and checkpoint vpn (either software > or hardware)? What are each's advantages and disadvantages? I am interested > in the following factors: Ease of installation and configuration, security, > manageability, reporting and logging, scalability, and pricing. I've > searched the archives but couldn't find any real world advices. > > Thanks, > > Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37524&t=37474 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
concentrator 3000 vs. checkpoint vpn [7:37474]
Group, Has anyone used both concentrator 3000 and checkpoint vpn (either software or hardware)? What are each's advantages and disadvantages? I am interested in the following factors: Ease of installation and configuration, security, manageability, reporting and logging, scalability, and pricing. I've searched the archives but couldn't find any real world advices. Thanks, Alex Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37474&t=37474 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
