Re: network management systems [7:43237]
You mentioned the other area that I neglected to list: the CCIP MPLS certification option. James Leu's MPLS For Linux project would run on the LInux boxes. I don't know what he requires for a kernel. It might not be supported on LRP. -- TT dre wrote: > It sounds like you are going down the right path. > > My suggestion is to get a 5000 or 2900 (orginal, not > XL series) switch (or as many as you can afford). > > Connect at least one 3620 with FE to the switch (again, > whatever you can afford) and use dot1q trunks. Connect > a FreeBSD or Linux box running Zebra and with tagged > VLAN support (dot1q). Now you can have a lot of > interfaces on both sides. You can play around a lot with > that, but for NMS you might have little success since there > are still some problems with subinterfaces and the Cisco MIB's > in some cases. I believe newer code will solve this problem. > In the Linux case, you might even be able to setup MPLS for > learning. It might be a lot more difficult to learn ATM or Frame- > Relay or xDSL or Cable/DOCSIS management techniques without > a lot of specialized (read: expensive) hardware. Then again, if you > really want to learn ATM network management, an LS1010 and/or > 3600 ATM, and/or Cat5k ATM blade aren't going to cost too too much > (if you absolutely must learn ATM specifically, this is probably your best > bet). I'd avoid ATM and other WAN technologies, and concentrate on > LAN network management first, because it costs a lot less. > > In any case, a single router and a single switch allow you to learn > a lot about NMS applications and general configuration ability. > > Have a look at some of these tools (do a search, I don't want to > get all the URL's): > net-snmp, rancid, tool, jffnms, msyslog, nmis, ncat/rat, argus, mrtg, > mhtg, pancho, rtrmon, scli, seafelt, wandoc, rrdtool, etc > > I think ncat/rat, rancid, pancho, mrtg, and net-snmp will interest you > much more than opennms. They will allow you to do all the neat > management features of CiscoWorks but these tools actually work > really well and you can get inside of them and play around with things. > > These books will also help a lot: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578701805/qid%3D1020453609/ref%3Dsr% > 5F11%5F0%5F1/103-7458544-1431031 > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0079137822/qid=1020453551/sr=1-3/ref= > sr_1_3/103-7458544-1431031 > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072122625/qid=1020453523/sr=1-1/ref= > sr_1_1/103-7458544-1431031 > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/059600186X/qid=1020453510/sr=1-1/ref= > sr_1_1/103-7458544-1431031 > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596000200/ref=pd_bndl_img_2/103-7458 > 544-1431031 > > -dre > > ""Tom Scott"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > If you're looking for scenarios that need attention, > > consider network management (Semester 8 of the Cisco > > Academy curriculum, for example). Using just a few cisco > > routers (say, 2-4), one can build and use reasonably > > simple scenarios. But there's a need for more complex > > internetworks in the range of at least 5-10 routers. The > > question then becomes, How to get the routers affordably? > > > * Get an SNMP-based NMS like OpenNMS (opennms.org) or whatever. > > If there's an affordable version of CiscoWorks that's > > available, that would be just great. But I don't think there > > is. > > > > * Learn to use the NMS and MIBs in a complex environment. > > > > Does anyone have experience with this? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=43263&t=43237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network management systems [7:43237]
It sounds like you are going down the right path. My suggestion is to get a 5000 or 2900 (orginal, not XL series) switch (or as many as you can afford). Connect at least one 3620 with FE to the switch (again, whatever you can afford) and use dot1q trunks. Connect a FreeBSD or Linux box running Zebra and with tagged VLAN support (dot1q). Now you can have a lot of interfaces on both sides. You can play around a lot with that, but for NMS you might have little success since there are still some problems with subinterfaces and the Cisco MIB's in some cases. I believe newer code will solve this problem. In the Linux case, you might even be able to setup MPLS for learning. It might be a lot more difficult to learn ATM or Frame- Relay or xDSL or Cable/DOCSIS management techniques without a lot of specialized (read: expensive) hardware. Then again, if you really want to learn ATM network management, an LS1010 and/or 3600 ATM, and/or Cat5k ATM blade aren't going to cost too too much (if you absolutely must learn ATM specifically, this is probably your best bet). I'd avoid ATM and other WAN technologies, and concentrate on LAN network management first, because it costs a lot less. In any case, a single router and a single switch allow you to learn a lot about NMS applications and general configuration ability. Have a look at some of these tools (do a search, I don't want to get all the URL's): net-snmp, rancid, tool, jffnms, msyslog, nmis, ncat/rat, argus, mrtg, mhtg, pancho, rtrmon, scli, seafelt, wandoc, rrdtool, etc I think ncat/rat, rancid, pancho, mrtg, and net-snmp will interest you much more than opennms. They will allow you to do all the neat management features of CiscoWorks but these tools actually work really well and you can get inside of them and play around with things. These books will also help a lot: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1578701805/qid%3D1020453609/ref%3Dsr% 5F11%5F0%5F1/103-7458544-1431031 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0079137822/qid=1020453551/sr=1-3/ref= sr_1_3/103-7458544-1431031 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072122625/qid=1020453523/sr=1-1/ref= sr_1_1/103-7458544-1431031 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/059600186X/qid=1020453510/sr=1-1/ref= sr_1_1/103-7458544-1431031 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596000200/ref=pd_bndl_img_2/103-7458 544-1431031 -dre ""Tom Scott"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > If you're looking for scenarios that need attention, > consider network management (Semester 8 of the Cisco > Academy curriculum, for example). Using just a few cisco > routers (say, 2-4), one can build and use reasonably > simple scenarios. But there's a need for more complex > internetworks in the range of at least 5-10 routers. The > question then becomes, How to get the routers affordably? > * Get an SNMP-based NMS like OpenNMS (opennms.org) or whatever. > If there's an affordable version of CiscoWorks that's > available, that would be just great. But I don't think there > is. > > * Learn to use the NMS and MIBs in a complex environment. > > Does anyone have experience with this? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=43256&t=43237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network management systems [7:43237]
At 1:24 PM -0400 5/3/02, Tom Scott wrote: >Scenario builders (and users), > >If you're looking for scenarios that need attention, >consider network management (Semester 8 of the Cisco >Academy curriculum, for example). Using just a few cisco >routers (say, 2-4), one can build and use reasonably >simple scenarios. But there's a need for more complex >internetworks in the range of at least 5-10 routers. The >question then becomes, How to get the routers affordably? > >A previous thread dealt with routing support on Windows. >One could also use old hardware (486, for example) to run >Linux Router Project from a floppy in addition to a small >CCNP lab of 2-3 routers. Does anyone have experience with >LRP? Would people who are familiar with cisco IOS have much >difficulty configuring LRP? Zebra (I assume it's the same project to which you refer--it's the GNU router) language is very close to IOS. The other major freeware dialect, GateD, is much more like JunOS. You can also increase the complexity by using route generators, as distinct from pure routers. > >This would be a tres inexpensive solution to building larger >labs for learning SNMP network management: > >* Get a core of 2-3 Cisco routers, and a couple Cisco VLAN > switches. Not sure how you'd be using the switches, but it might turn out to be cheaper to use a router as an FR switch. If you want SNMP experience on switches, of course, then they are quite appropriate. Don't limit the approach to Cisco routers. Bay RS routers really are architected internally with MIBs as a very basic part of their OS, rather than interfacing via an agent as I understand the IOS approach to be. You just might be able to get them cheaper, and I think there's value in seeing an interoperability trial. > >* Resurrect some old PCs and put LRP on them. > >* Configure the LRP routers. > >* Total number of routers: 5-10 or more depending on how > many PCs you can find in your basement. > >* Get an SNMP-based NMS like OpenNMS (opennms.org) or whatever. > If there's an affordable version of CiscoWorks that's > available, that would be just great. But I don't think there > is. > >* Learn to use the NMS and MIBs in a complex environment. > >Does anyone have experience with this? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=43253&t=43237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
network management systems [7:43237]
Scenario builders (and users), If you're looking for scenarios that need attention, consider network management (Semester 8 of the Cisco Academy curriculum, for example). Using just a few cisco routers (say, 2-4), one can build and use reasonably simple scenarios. But there's a need for more complex internetworks in the range of at least 5-10 routers. The question then becomes, How to get the routers affordably? A previous thread dealt with routing support on Windows. One could also use old hardware (486, for example) to run Linux Router Project from a floppy in addition to a small CCNP lab of 2-3 routers. Does anyone have experience with LRP? Would people who are familiar with cisco IOS have much difficulty configuring LRP? This would be a tres inexpensive solution to building larger labs for learning SNMP network management: * Get a core of 2-3 Cisco routers, and a couple Cisco VLAN switches. * Resurrect some old PCs and put LRP on them. * Configure the LRP routers. * Total number of routers: 5-10 or more depending on how many PCs you can find in your basement. * Get an SNMP-based NMS like OpenNMS (opennms.org) or whatever. If there's an affordable version of CiscoWorks that's available, that would be just great. But I don't think there is. * Learn to use the NMS and MIBs in a complex environment. Does anyone have experience with this? -- TT Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=43237&t=43237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
