Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
I did :( And was corrected :) ""nrf"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Uh, there is no such thing as the JCIE. Don't you mean the JNCIE? > > > > > > > ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Juniper Cert > > > > > > > Uh, what exactly is the JCIE? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Soon we will see > > > > > > > > John Doe > > > > Studying for CCNA,CCNP,CCIE,JCIE,MSCE(ALL),NET+,CNE > > > > > > > > > Of course "CCIE Written" isn't a certification, no matter how many > > > people > > > > > put it after their name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23820&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
Uh, there is no such thing as the JCIE. Don't you mean the JNCIE? ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Juniper Cert > > > > Uh, what exactly is the JCIE? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Soon we will see > > > > > > John Doe > > > Studying for CCNA,CCNP,CCIE,JCIE,MSCE(ALL),NET+,CNE > > > > > > > Of course "CCIE Written" isn't a certification, no matter how many > > people > > > > put it after their name. > > > > > > > > > > > > ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23819&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
Juniper Cert > Uh, what exactly is the JCIE? > > > > > > > > > ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Soon we will see > > > > John Doe > > Studying for CCNA,CCNP,CCIE,JCIE,MSCE(ALL),NET+,CNE > > > > > Of course "CCIE Written" isn't a certification, no matter how many > people > > > put it after their name. > > > > > > > > > ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > > > > > > > > > > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23777&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
""Brian"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Woah, all I was saying was that there are some scum out there that will pass > the written and claim to be CCIE. Oh, OK. Good, we're on the same page. I have also seen situations where guys are more subtle about it, and say that they "have passed the CCIE exam", implying that they are fully-fledged CCIE's, when what they actually passed was the written exam. So what they said is not technically a lie, but rather a tricky Clinton-esque parsing of words (i.e. "I was not having sexual relations with her, she was having sexual relations with me").And of course, it leaves them with a nice 'exit strategy', because their CCIE claim is implied, but never explicitly stated, so if they are later challenged, they just say that they never said that they were full CCIE's, and they must have been misunderstood. So what I see is that there is just too much opportunity for confusion and fraud. and the best thing to do is just not to make any mention of a CCIE-written. Either you're a CCIE or you're not, and any attempts to try to come up with a "quasi-CCIE" status just opens the door to all kinds of confusion and fraud.Now of course some of you might counter by saying that fraudsters will just find another way, but hey, anything you can do to make fraud harder is good. Some crime will always exist in society, but that doesn't mean you should stop trying to fight it. > Bri > > ----- Original Message - > From: "nrf" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680] > > > > ""Brian Whalen"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > If I put in the effort to pass the written, I'd have no problem telling > > > people that in an interview. From the employer's perspective, if a > > > candidate says I'm a CCIE, its up to the employer to ask him/her to > prove > > > it. > > > > Well, to me, it's all a matter of misrepresentation and fraud. Saying > that > > you passed the written is one thing. There's nothing wrong with that. > But > > listing such an accomplishment as a cert is something else. The fact is, > > the written is not a cert, and people who try to claim that it is are > > entering into a hazy ethical area. > > > > And, I'm sorry, but I must say that I do not agree with your last > sentence. > > I don't want to start a flame war, and yes, I concur that employers should > > most definitely check out their candidates. But if I read you correctly, > > you are implying that if a candidate claims to be a CCIE (but is actually > > not), then it is completely the employer's responsibilities to check that > > claim out, and the candidate has no culpability in the matter. > > > > Now, I'm not sure that's what you meant, but if it is, then why stop > there? > > To continue that logic, then it should be perfectly acceptable for > > candidates to lie about their college degrees and their work experience > too. > > Why not? In fact, why doesn't every job candidate just hand in a resume > of > > complete fiction? > > > > Now you might respond that any employer that just accepts the claims of a > > candidate without checking them out is basically asking to be screwed > over. > > Yes, of course that is true. But on the other hand, to only blame the > > employer is really a case of blaming the victim. Yes, that employer is > > stupid. But that's not to say that the lying candidate bears no > > responsibility in the matter. > > > > So the way I see it is, it all becomes a slippery slope - a question of > > 'where do you draw the line?'. If you choose to misrepresent yourself in > > one part of your resume to get a job, then why not misrepresent yourself > in > > every area? To me, it's pretty black-and-white. Either your resume is > the > > truth, or it isn't. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23753&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
Woah, all I was saying was that there are some scum out there that will pass the written and claim to be CCIE. Bri - Original Message - From: "nrf" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:35 PM Subject: Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680] > ""Brian Whalen"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > If I put in the effort to pass the written, I'd have no problem telling > > people that in an interview. From the employer's perspective, if a > > candidate says I'm a CCIE, its up to the employer to ask him/her to prove > > it. > > Well, to me, it's all a matter of misrepresentation and fraud. Saying that > you passed the written is one thing. There's nothing wrong with that. But > listing such an accomplishment as a cert is something else. The fact is, > the written is not a cert, and people who try to claim that it is are > entering into a hazy ethical area. > > And, I'm sorry, but I must say that I do not agree with your last sentence. > I don't want to start a flame war, and yes, I concur that employers should > most definitely check out their candidates. But if I read you correctly, > you are implying that if a candidate claims to be a CCIE (but is actually > not), then it is completely the employer's responsibilities to check that > claim out, and the candidate has no culpability in the matter. > > Now, I'm not sure that's what you meant, but if it is, then why stop there? > To continue that logic, then it should be perfectly acceptable for > candidates to lie about their college degrees and their work experience too. > Why not? In fact, why doesn't every job candidate just hand in a resume of > complete fiction? > > Now you might respond that any employer that just accepts the claims of a > candidate without checking them out is basically asking to be screwed over. > Yes, of course that is true. But on the other hand, to only blame the > employer is really a case of blaming the victim. Yes, that employer is > stupid. But that's not to say that the lying candidate bears no > responsibility in the matter. > > So the way I see it is, it all becomes a slippery slope - a question of > 'where do you draw the line?'. If you choose to misrepresent yourself in > one part of your resume to get a job, then why not misrepresent yourself in > every area? To me, it's pretty black-and-white. Either your resume is the > truth, or it isn't. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23751&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
Uh, what exactly is the JCIE? ""Wojtek Zlobicki"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Soon we will see > > John Doe > Studying for CCNA,CCNP,CCIE,JCIE,MSCE(ALL),NET+,CNE > > > Of course "CCIE Written" isn't a certification, no matter how many people > > put it after their name. > > > > > > ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > > > > > > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23746&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
Soon we will see John Doe Studying for CCNA,CCNP,CCIE,JCIE,MSCE(ALL),NET+,CNE > Of course "CCIE Written" isn't a certification, no matter how many people > put it after their name. > > > ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > > > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23745&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
Of course "CCIE Written" isn't a certification, no matter how many people put it after their name. ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23741&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
Old news (10 Oct) and I'll still give that fiver if you make MCSE in 6 weeks. And I'm not pleased with that decision because I did the 7 W2K exams including 2 design exams and I got my Gold card because as a contractor I thought it important to keep current. (even though I'm running XP right now waiting for the .NET stuff) But 5 exams at 2 weeks an exam is still 10 weeks. Now you have not mentioned how many Microsoft exams you have sat so I don't know where you're coming from. But just one W2K design exam (you need at least one) will sober you up. My point is - until you've done them you're pretty cocky to downplay them. It's always easy to make statements about how easy something is ( or allude to it with 6 weeks to complete the entire track ) but quite another to show the initials. Show me the initials. Kevin Wigle CCDP CCNP CSE MCSE (2000, 4.0, 3.51) CBE CBI see . I put the Cisco ones first! I am a Cisco bigot but I respect other certs out there too - Original Message - From: "nrf" To: Sent: Sunday, 21 October, 2001 22:36 Subject: Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680] > ""Kevin Wigle"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > and two penneth won't get you a MCSE 2000 in 6 weeks. I'll raise that to > a > > fiver if you can. > > > > I recently undertook and completed MCSE 2000, this after having MCSE 4.0 > and > > 3.51 which is to say that I've been "aware" of Microsoft products for some > > time. > > > > I took 7 exams because I didn't want to try and sit the 4 hour make up > exam > > even though I qualified to take it. > > > I see that Microsoft has (again) changed its W2k mcse policies. Now the old > NT4 electives now count as w2k electives. Which means that you could have > gotten by with only 5 exams (and carried 2 of your older electives from > NT4). You can see it here, and see how W2k is now accepting things like > IIS4 and TCP/IP: > http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/default.asp?PageID=mcp&PageCall > =requirements&SubSite=cert/mcse&AnnMenu=mcse > > It's nice that Microsoft has made the W2k exams, especially the design > exams, harder. But that doesn't do a whole lot of good if people don't have > to go through a lot of those w2k exams. Consider this. Somebody who is > already NT4 certified could get the 2k MCSE with only two more exams - that > accelerated make-up exam, and one design exam. That's really not that many. > > > > > > > One week studying from books, one week to do Transcender for each exam > > translates into 14 weeks. > > > > However, everyone thinks I was nuts and I didn't have a life in those 14 > > weeks, every night and weekend was studying. > > > > I have enough Cisco initials to be "aware" of the Cisco curriculum and I > > would be among those who would say that there is no comparing MCSE to CCNP > > (or CCDP). > > > > But, the new W2K exams are not like the old NT exams. The "Design" exams > > though not really testing putting circuits together are still long hard > > tests that challenge your ability to see the issues and determine an > > appropriate solution based on the given requirements and conditions. > > > > All this to say - if you pass MCSE 2000 in 6 weeks (with odd breaks in > > between) with no previous Microsoft exams behind you - you will > accomplish > > something that few if any others have that's why out of 400,000 plus MCSEs > > worldwide, only 47,000 have re-qualified to date. I suggest you visit > > http://www.examcram.com and read the exam reviews by Orin. (especially > 216) > > > > It's fine to have a healthy opinion of Cisco vs Microsoft accreditations > but > > I do think you are severely underestimating the new Microsoft exams. > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Gareth Hinton" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, 21 October, 2001 12:42 > > Subject: Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680] > > > > > > > "ccie r catching up with ...mcse now" > > > > > > > > > That's a bit of a wild inaccurate statement. > > > > > > I reckon after doing my CCNP it wouldn't take too long to get past the > > CCIE > > > written with 4 to 6 weeks good study. > > > I reckon the CCIE Lab could take me a year or more of hard work to get > > > anywhere near it, if ever. > > > I am looking at the doing the MCSE
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
""Kevin Wigle"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > and two penneth won't get you a MCSE 2000 in 6 weeks. I'll raise that to a > fiver if you can. > > I recently undertook and completed MCSE 2000, this after having MCSE 4.0 and > 3.51 which is to say that I've been "aware" of Microsoft products for some > time. > > I took 7 exams because I didn't want to try and sit the 4 hour make up exam > even though I qualified to take it. I see that Microsoft has (again) changed its W2k mcse policies. Now the old NT4 electives now count as w2k electives. Which means that you could have gotten by with only 5 exams (and carried 2 of your older electives from NT4). You can see it here, and see how W2k is now accepting things like IIS4 and TCP/IP: http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/default.asp?PageID=mcp&PageCall =requirements&SubSite=cert/mcse&AnnMenu=mcse It's nice that Microsoft has made the W2k exams, especially the design exams, harder. But that doesn't do a whole lot of good if people don't have to go through a lot of those w2k exams. Consider this. Somebody who is already NT4 certified could get the 2k MCSE with only two more exams - that accelerated make-up exam, and one design exam. That's really not that many. > > One week studying from books, one week to do Transcender for each exam > translates into 14 weeks. > > However, everyone thinks I was nuts and I didn't have a life in those 14 > weeks, every night and weekend was studying. > > I have enough Cisco initials to be "aware" of the Cisco curriculum and I > would be among those who would say that there is no comparing MCSE to CCNP > (or CCDP). > > But, the new W2K exams are not like the old NT exams. The "Design" exams > though not really testing putting circuits together are still long hard > tests that challenge your ability to see the issues and determine an > appropriate solution based on the given requirements and conditions. > > All this to say - if you pass MCSE 2000 in 6 weeks (with odd breaks in > between) with no previous Microsoft exams behind you - you will accomplish > something that few if any others have that's why out of 400,000 plus MCSEs > worldwide, only 47,000 have re-qualified to date. I suggest you visit > http://www.examcram.com and read the exam reviews by Orin. (especially 216) > > It's fine to have a healthy opinion of Cisco vs Microsoft accreditations but > I do think you are severely underestimating the new Microsoft exams. > > Kevin Wigle > > - Original Message - > From: "Gareth Hinton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, 21 October, 2001 12:42 > Subject: Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680] > > > > "ccie r catching up with ...mcse now" > > > > > > That's a bit of a wild inaccurate statement. > > > > I reckon after doing my CCNP it wouldn't take too long to get past the > CCIE > > written with 4 to 6 weeks good study. > > I reckon the CCIE Lab could take me a year or more of hard work to get > > anywhere near it, if ever. > > I am looking at the doing the MCSE to broaden the knowledge a little. > > Looking through the syllabus I am looking at around 6 weeks of study with > > odd breaks in between. > > > > MCSE and CCIE will never be comparable. > > It amuses me when people do compare them. > > I think "CCIE written" is a little misleading - As far as I'm concerned > its > > a fairly testing written exam to stop time wasters taking what is the real > > CCIE exam - The LAB. > > > > > > My two penneth... > > > > > > Gaz Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23737&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
""Brian Whalen"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > If I put in the effort to pass the written, I'd have no problem telling > people that in an interview. From the employer's perspective, if a > candidate says I'm a CCIE, its up to the employer to ask him/her to prove > it. Well, to me, it's all a matter of misrepresentation and fraud. Saying that you passed the written is one thing. There's nothing wrong with that. But listing such an accomplishment as a cert is something else. The fact is, the written is not a cert, and people who try to claim that it is are entering into a hazy ethical area. And, I'm sorry, but I must say that I do not agree with your last sentence. I don't want to start a flame war, and yes, I concur that employers should most definitely check out their candidates. But if I read you correctly, you are implying that if a candidate claims to be a CCIE (but is actually not), then it is completely the employer's responsibilities to check that claim out, and the candidate has no culpability in the matter. Now, I'm not sure that's what you meant, but if it is, then why stop there? To continue that logic, then it should be perfectly acceptable for candidates to lie about their college degrees and their work experience too. Why not? In fact, why doesn't every job candidate just hand in a resume of complete fiction? Now you might respond that any employer that just accepts the claims of a candidate without checking them out is basically asking to be screwed over. Yes, of course that is true. But on the other hand, to only blame the employer is really a case of blaming the victim. Yes, that employer is stupid. But that's not to say that the lying candidate bears no responsibility in the matter. So the way I see it is, it all becomes a slippery slope - a question of 'where do you draw the line?'. If you choose to misrepresent yourself in one part of your resume to get a job, then why not misrepresent yourself in every area? To me, it's pretty black-and-white. Either your resume is the truth, or it isn't. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23736&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
If I put in the effort to pass the written, I'd have no problem telling people that in an interview. From the employer's perspective, if a candidate says I'm a CCIE, its up to the employer to ask him/her to prove it. Brian "Sonic" Whalen Success = Preparation + Opportunity On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, nrf wrote: > I've never understood why Cisco can't just make the written harder, much > harder. For example, they could just put the pass percentage at 95% or 98% > or something, and/or they could stipulate that if you could only attempt the > written a certain number of times per year. Not only would that get rid of > this glut of "CCIE-written-certified" guys (OK, I know, such a cert doesn't > exist, but everybody here knows people who call themselves CCIE-written > certified), but it would also have the nice side benefit of seriously > cutting down on the lab wait time. > > > > > > ""Ken Diliberto"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I am participating in a study group at Cisco here in the Dallas area. > Even > > the Cisco Engineers in the group are there for their own edification to > help > > them pass. I know if I had access to the lab equipment all the time like > > they > > do, I would be feeling fairly confident. I haven't even attempted the > > written > > yet but I have years worth of router time in a production environment. > The > > number of CCIEs get depressing if you look at them for too long. Just > keep > > looking at dice.com, hotjobs.com and such for jobs requiring a CCIE. > Keeps > > me > > interested. :-) > > > > Ken > > > > >>> "Thomas Larus" 10/21/01 10:52AM >>> > > I wouldn't worry too much about the raw numbers. A lot of these supposed > > 1700 a month are VERY good at memorization, and have not touched routers > and > > switches for more than 10 or 12 hours altogether. I have trouble > believing > > the number is quite that high, because the lab dates do not seem to be > > getting booked up anywhere near that fast. People haven't a prayer of > > passing the CCIE Lab until they get many hundreds or perhaps a thousand or > > two thousand hours of work configuring routers and switches. > > > > It is a long road, and I am still a long way from getting to the CCIE Lab > > milestone myself, but the journey itself is very satisfying. > > > > Thomas Larus > > > > ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > > > > > > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23734&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
and two penneth won't get you a MCSE 2000 in 6 weeks. I'll raise that to a fiver if you can. I recently undertook and completed MCSE 2000, this after having MCSE 4.0 and 3.51 which is to say that I've been "aware" of Microsoft products for some time. I took 7 exams because I didn't want to try and sit the 4 hour make up exam even though I qualified to take it. One week studying from books, one week to do Transcender for each exam translates into 14 weeks. However, everyone thinks I was nuts and I didn't have a life in those 14 weeks, every night and weekend was studying. I have enough Cisco initials to be "aware" of the Cisco curriculum and I would be among those who would say that there is no comparing MCSE to CCNP (or CCDP). But, the new W2K exams are not like the old NT exams. The "Design" exams though not really testing putting circuits together are still long hard tests that challenge your ability to see the issues and determine an appropriate solution based on the given requirements and conditions. All this to say - if you pass MCSE 2000 in 6 weeks (with odd breaks in between) with no previous Microsoft exams behind you - you will accomplish something that few if any others have that's why out of 400,000 plus MCSEs worldwide, only 47,000 have re-qualified to date. I suggest you visit http://www.examcram.com and read the exam reviews by Orin. (especially 216) It's fine to have a healthy opinion of Cisco vs Microsoft accreditations but I do think you are severely underestimating the new Microsoft exams. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Gareth Hinton" To: Sent: Sunday, 21 October, 2001 12:42 Subject: Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680] > "ccie r catching up with ...mcse now" > > > That's a bit of a wild inaccurate statement. > > I reckon after doing my CCNP it wouldn't take too long to get past the CCIE > written with 4 to 6 weeks good study. > I reckon the CCIE Lab could take me a year or more of hard work to get > anywhere near it, if ever. > I am looking at the doing the MCSE to broaden the knowledge a little. > Looking through the syllabus I am looking at around 6 weeks of study with > odd breaks in between. > > MCSE and CCIE will never be comparable. > It amuses me when people do compare them. > I think "CCIE written" is a little misleading - As far as I'm concerned its > a fairly testing written exam to stop time wasters taking what is the real > CCIE exam - The LAB. > > > My two penneth... > > > Gaz Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23733&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
I've never understood why Cisco can't just make the written harder, much harder. For example, they could just put the pass percentage at 95% or 98% or something, and/or they could stipulate that if you could only attempt the written a certain number of times per year. Not only would that get rid of this glut of "CCIE-written-certified" guys (OK, I know, such a cert doesn't exist, but everybody here knows people who call themselves CCIE-written certified), but it would also have the nice side benefit of seriously cutting down on the lab wait time. ""Ken Diliberto"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I am participating in a study group at Cisco here in the Dallas area. Even > the Cisco Engineers in the group are there for their own edification to help > them pass. I know if I had access to the lab equipment all the time like > they > do, I would be feeling fairly confident. I haven't even attempted the > written > yet but I have years worth of router time in a production environment. The > number of CCIEs get depressing if you look at them for too long. Just keep > looking at dice.com, hotjobs.com and such for jobs requiring a CCIE. Keeps > me > interested. :-) > > Ken > > >>> "Thomas Larus" 10/21/01 10:52AM >>> > I wouldn't worry too much about the raw numbers. A lot of these supposed > 1700 a month are VERY good at memorization, and have not touched routers and > switches for more than 10 or 12 hours altogether. I have trouble believing > the number is quite that high, because the lab dates do not seem to be > getting booked up anywhere near that fast. People haven't a prayer of > passing the CCIE Lab until they get many hundreds or perhaps a thousand or > two thousand hours of work configuring routers and switches. > > It is a long road, and I am still a long way from getting to the CCIE Lab > milestone myself, but the journey itself is very satisfying. > > Thomas Larus > > ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > > > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23727&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
I am participating in a study group at Cisco here in the Dallas area. Even the Cisco Engineers in the group are there for their own edification to help them pass. I know if I had access to the lab equipment all the time like they do, I would be feeling fairly confident. I haven't even attempted the written yet but I have years worth of router time in a production environment. The number of CCIEs get depressing if you look at them for too long. Just keep looking at dice.com, hotjobs.com and such for jobs requiring a CCIE. Keeps me interested. :-) Ken >>> "Thomas Larus" 10/21/01 10:52AM >>> I wouldn't worry too much about the raw numbers. A lot of these supposed 1700 a month are VERY good at memorization, and have not touched routers and switches for more than 10 or 12 hours altogether. I have trouble believing the number is quite that high, because the lab dates do not seem to be getting booked up anywhere near that fast. People haven't a prayer of passing the CCIE Lab until they get many hundreds or perhaps a thousand or two thousand hours of work configuring routers and switches. It is a long road, and I am still a long way from getting to the CCIE Lab milestone myself, but the journey itself is very satisfying. Thomas Larus ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23688&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
"ccie r catching up with ...mcse now" That's a bit of a wild inaccurate statement. I reckon after doing my CCNP it wouldn't take too long to get past the CCIE written with 4 to 6 weeks good study. I reckon the CCIE Lab could take me a year or more of hard work to get anywhere near it, if ever. I am looking at the doing the MCSE to broaden the knowledge a little. Looking through the syllabus I am looking at around 6 weeks of study with odd breaks in between. MCSE and CCIE will never be comparable. It amuses me when people do compare them. I think "CCIE written" is a little misleading - As far as I'm concerned its a fairly testing written exam to stop time wasters taking what is the real CCIE exam - The LAB. My two penneth... Gaz ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23687&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
I wholeheartedly agree. I'm just starting out in the industry and having seen some CCIE practice questions, I wonder why this is such an accomplishment for some. The written is not that much harder than the CCNP tests (someone with a few weeks and good books on their hands can pass the written). Lets remember that there are less than 7000 CCIEs worldwide. 1700 people may pass the written , but its unlikely that more than 2-3 % take or pass the written within one year. ""Thomas Larus"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I wouldn't worry too much about the raw numbers. A lot of these supposed > 1700 a month are VERY good at memorization, and have not touched routers and > switches for more than 10 or 12 hours altogether. I have trouble believing > the number is quite that high, because the lab dates do not seem to be > getting booked up anywhere near that fast. People haven't a prayer of > passing the CCIE Lab until they get many hundreds or perhaps a thousand or > two thousand hours of work configuring routers and switches. > > It is a long road, and I am still a long way from getting to the CCIE Lab > milestone myself, but the journey itself is very satisfying. > > Thomas Larus > > ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > > > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23685&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: over 1700 passing ccie written every month [7:23680]
I wouldn't worry too much about the raw numbers. A lot of these supposed 1700 a month are VERY good at memorization, and have not touched routers and switches for more than 10 or 12 hours altogether. I have trouble believing the number is quite that high, because the lab dates do not seem to be getting booked up anywhere near that fast. People haven't a prayer of passing the CCIE Lab until they get many hundreds or perhaps a thousand or two thousand hours of work configuring routers and switches. It is a long road, and I am still a long way from getting to the CCIE Lab milestone myself, but the journey itself is very satisfying. Thomas Larus ""Hello Hello"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > ccie r catching up with ...mcse now > http://searchnetworking.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?[EMAIL PROTECTED] xa4O3aKi^1@.ee8464a/114!viewtype=threadDate&skip=&expand= Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=23683&t=23680 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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