Re: re:cciebootcamp
WILL YOU KNOCK OFF THE POTSHOTS AND QUIT IT. THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS. ARE WE ALL CHILDREN THAT FEEL WE MUST BE RIGHT AND LASH OUT AT EVERYONE ELSE? - Original Message - From: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 2:43 PM Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp > Glad I could give you an opportunity to display how much better you hide > your personality. > > > Kevin Wigle > > > "NetEng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8vmhk0$tmp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8vmhk0$tmp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Mr. Dosch- > > > > I've dealt with Kevin Wigle in the past and I can honestly say he is the > > biggest jackass I've ever had a conversation with. He will never admit > that > > he was ever wrong in any way. It is best to end this, because jerk offs > like > > him waste time of people that logical thinking patterns. BTW EVERYONE has > > copied something illegally, who hasn't dubbed a tape or recorded something > > on TV? > > > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re:cciebootcamp
Glad I could give you an opportunity to display how much better you hide your personality. Kevin Wigle "NetEng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8vmhk0$tmp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8vmhk0$tmp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Mr. Dosch- > > I've dealt with Kevin Wigle in the past and I can honestly say he is the > biggest jackass I've ever had a conversation with. He will never admit that > he was ever wrong in any way. It is best to end this, because jerk offs like > him waste time of people that logical thinking patterns. BTW EVERYONE has > copied something illegally, who hasn't dubbed a tape or recorded something > on TV? > > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re:cciebootcamp
Mr. Dosch- I've dealt with Kevin Wigle in the past and I can honestly say he is the biggest jackass I've ever had a conversation with. He will never admit that he was ever wrong in any way. It is best to end this, because jerk offs like him waste time of people that logical thinking patterns. BTW EVERYONE has copied something illegally, who hasn't dubbed a tape or recorded something on TV? ""Kevin Wigle"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 007b01c05577$290904e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:007b01c05577$290904e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I read it very carefully which is why I replied. > > And it's always easy to say let's stop this thread here when another reply > doesn't suit you. > > You quoted my "break the law" comment as if it was wrong to do so and all I > have said is that normal people in this day and age know that such activity > is illegal - not just with programs/CDs but most other things you actually > pay for. Your general comments about how you have done it and probably how > we all have done it supports my comment on "Everybody does it so it's ok". > If you have done it how can you say you're opposed to it? (at least > publicly), in a debate/discussion you can't have it both ways. > > If your comments were aimed at the "looser" poster it would have been nice > if you attached your reply to that post or at least qualified your remarks. > > I am very opposed to the "benefit of the doubt" idea (not your comment) as > that says to me that the general techie population isn't very aware of the > very basic protections afforded original work. > > I don't believe that is the case. Especially in this forum where just about > everyone knows what products are out there and who they benefit and > especially who created them. Although this is a large list, the technology > we represent is a specialized niche and we all know each other (almost). > > Finally, if you can't stand the fire - don't jump in. > > Kevin Wigle > > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:30 AM > Subject: RE: re:cciebootcamp > > > > I guess you didn't read my e-mail very carefully, I said "I DON'T agree > > with the illegal pirating of software or other material." I too have > > invested thousands of dollars in my training and certifications. Where > did > > you see "Everybody does it so it's ok" I don't see that anywhere. Further > > more the personal attack statement was directed to the quote "Looser" that > > was from someone else! Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just think we > > shouldn't be so quick to lash out at people, what would have been wrong > with > > a simple explanation of the license agreement and a "this could get you > into > > trouble" statement. Anyway enough of this thread, lets move on to the > real > > reason were here, helping one another get through the lab and everyday > > troubleshooting. > > > > Chris > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > > Kevin Wigle > > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 10:23 PM > > To: Christopher J. Dosch; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp > > > > > > I was going to pass on this thread but since you insist by quoting me. > > > > Try to think a bit further than "everybody does it so its ok". If that > was > > mans credo where would we be now? Why bother having laws at all? > > > > Why bother working hard to accomplish something if someone else can just > buy > > it, or trade for it? > > > > I suppose you agree with students buying term papers too, or people buying > > these "university degrees" through the mail, or falsifying your resume. > > Where does it stop? > > > > The cciebootcamp material aside, it is plain for most thinking people that > > this type of behavior robs the authors of the income they need to continue > > to provide quality material. > > > > In the Cisco community, we need quality material to meet the demands of a > > difficult curriculum. > > > > Cheapening the worth of the materials we need to make that difficult > journey > > only serves to cheapen the certification process. It is one thing to > depend > > on the CCIE lab to keep the pretenders at bay but why should we en
Re: re:cciebootcamp
I read it very carefully which is why I replied. And it's always easy to say let's stop this thread here when another reply doesn't suit you. You quoted my "break the law" comment as if it was wrong to do so and all I have said is that normal people in this day and age know that such activity is illegal - not just with programs/CDs but most other things you actually pay for. Your general comments about how you have done it and probably how we all have done it supports my comment on "Everybody does it so it's ok". If you have done it how can you say you're opposed to it? (at least publicly), in a debate/discussion you can't have it both ways. If your comments were aimed at the "looser" poster it would have been nice if you attached your reply to that post or at least qualified your remarks. I am very opposed to the "benefit of the doubt" idea (not your comment) as that says to me that the general techie population isn't very aware of the very basic protections afforded original work. I don't believe that is the case. Especially in this forum where just about everyone knows what products are out there and who they benefit and especially who created them. Although this is a large list, the technology we represent is a specialized niche and we all know each other (almost). Finally, if you can't stand the fire - don't jump in. Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:30 AM Subject: RE: re:cciebootcamp > I guess you didn't read my e-mail very carefully, I said "I DON'T agree > with the illegal pirating of software or other material." I too have > invested thousands of dollars in my training and certifications. Where did > you see "Everybody does it so it's ok" I don't see that anywhere. Further > more the personal attack statement was directed to the quote "Looser" that > was from someone else! Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just think we > shouldn't be so quick to lash out at people, what would have been wrong with > a simple explanation of the license agreement and a "this could get you into > trouble" statement. Anyway enough of this thread, lets move on to the real > reason were here, helping one another get through the lab and everyday > troubleshooting. > > Chris > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Kevin Wigle > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 10:23 PM > To: Christopher J. Dosch; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp > > > I was going to pass on this thread but since you insist by quoting me. > > Try to think a bit further than "everybody does it so its ok". If that was > mans credo where would we be now? Why bother having laws at all? > > Why bother working hard to accomplish something if someone else can just buy > it, or trade for it? > > I suppose you agree with students buying term papers too, or people buying > these "university degrees" through the mail, or falsifying your resume. > Where does it stop? > > The cciebootcamp material aside, it is plain for most thinking people that > this type of behavior robs the authors of the income they need to continue > to provide quality material. > > In the Cisco community, we need quality material to meet the demands of a > difficult curriculum. > > Cheapening the worth of the materials we need to make that difficult journey > only serves to cheapen the certification process. It is one thing to depend > on the CCIE lab to keep the pretenders at bay but why should we encourage > them along the way? Who wants to wear letters like CCDP/CCNP if they have > become worthless? > > And just what was the personal attack I am being accused of anyway? By > merely stating that the activity would be illegal - is a personal attack? > My God! quick! empty the jails!! > > Kevin Wigle > > > - Original Message - > From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, 22 November, 2000 19:45 > Subject: RE: re:cciebootcamp > > > > I agree with Laurel, personal attacks should be avoided! I DON'T agree > > with the illegal pirating of software or other material but I will have to > > admit, I'm guilty in some form or another, whether it be a friend that > just > > gave me a copy of some software, or I burned a CD for a backup copy. I > > would also be willing to bet these people who publicly attack others for > > "
RE: re:cciebootcamp
I guess you didn't read my e-mail very carefully, I said "I DON'T agree with the illegal pirating of software or other material." I too have invested thousands of dollars in my training and certifications. Where did you see "Everybody does it so it's ok" I don't see that anywhere. Further more the personal attack statement was directed to the quote "Looser" that was from someone else! Sorry for the misunderstanding. I just think we shouldn't be so quick to lash out at people, what would have been wrong with a simple explanation of the license agreement and a "this could get you into trouble" statement. Anyway enough of this thread, lets move on to the real reason were here, helping one another get through the lab and everyday troubleshooting. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Wigle Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 10:23 PM To: Christopher J. Dosch; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp I was going to pass on this thread but since you insist by quoting me. Try to think a bit further than "everybody does it so its ok". If that was mans credo where would we be now? Why bother having laws at all? Why bother working hard to accomplish something if someone else can just buy it, or trade for it? I suppose you agree with students buying term papers too, or people buying these "university degrees" through the mail, or falsifying your resume. Where does it stop? The cciebootcamp material aside, it is plain for most thinking people that this type of behavior robs the authors of the income they need to continue to provide quality material. In the Cisco community, we need quality material to meet the demands of a difficult curriculum. Cheapening the worth of the materials we need to make that difficult journey only serves to cheapen the certification process. It is one thing to depend on the CCIE lab to keep the pretenders at bay but why should we encourage them along the way? Who wants to wear letters like CCDP/CCNP if they have become worthless? And just what was the personal attack I am being accused of anyway? By merely stating that the activity would be illegal - is a personal attack? My God! quick! empty the jails!! Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 22 November, 2000 19:45 Subject: RE: re:cciebootcamp > I agree with Laurel, personal attacks should be avoided! I DON'T agree > with the illegal pirating of software or other material but I will have to > admit, I'm guilty in some form or another, whether it be a friend that just > gave me a copy of some software, or I burned a CD for a backup copy. I > would also be willing to bet these people who publicly attack others for > "breaking the law" have also illegally burned a couple of CD's or some other > form of material! I think we all have in some way or another! > > My $.02 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Laurel Redd > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp > > > Yeah that and distributing copies of burned software, making copies of music > to give to friends. Hey we all make mistakes. Maybe this person didn't > know I sure didn't. I personally elect to give the benifit of the doubt. > > Thanks > > Laurel Redd, CCNA > > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:03 PM > Subject: re:cciebootcamp > > > > It always amazes me that people will openly advertise to break the law. > > > > I intend to purchase these labs in the new year and I have read the > > "license" > > > > This would break the purchase agreement. > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > "Steven Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Does anyone has the cciebootcamp practice lab scenario? If yes, want to > > > trade ? > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscr
Re: re:cciebootcamp
I was going to pass on this thread but since you insist by quoting me. Try to think a bit further than "everybody does it so its ok". If that was mans credo where would we be now? Why bother having laws at all? Why bother working hard to accomplish something if someone else can just buy it, or trade for it? I suppose you agree with students buying term papers too, or people buying these "university degrees" through the mail, or falsifying your resume. Where does it stop? The cciebootcamp material aside, it is plain for most thinking people that this type of behavior robs the authors of the income they need to continue to provide quality material. In the Cisco community, we need quality material to meet the demands of a difficult curriculum. Cheapening the worth of the materials we need to make that difficult journey only serves to cheapen the certification process. It is one thing to depend on the CCIE lab to keep the pretenders at bay but why should we encourage them along the way? Who wants to wear letters like CCDP/CCNP if they have become worthless? And just what was the personal attack I am being accused of anyway? By merely stating that the activity would be illegal - is a personal attack? My God! quick! empty the jails!! Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: "Christopher J. Dosch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, 22 November, 2000 19:45 Subject: RE: re:cciebootcamp > I agree with Laurel, personal attacks should be avoided! I DON'T agree > with the illegal pirating of software or other material but I will have to > admit, I'm guilty in some form or another, whether it be a friend that just > gave me a copy of some software, or I burned a CD for a backup copy. I > would also be willing to bet these people who publicly attack others for > "breaking the law" have also illegally burned a couple of CD's or some other > form of material! I think we all have in some way or another! > > My $.02 > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Laurel Redd > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp > > > Yeah that and distributing copies of burned software, making copies of music > to give to friends. Hey we all make mistakes. Maybe this person didn't > know I sure didn't. I personally elect to give the benifit of the doubt. > > Thanks > > Laurel Redd, CCNA > > - Original Message - > From: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:03 PM > Subject: re:cciebootcamp > > > > It always amazes me that people will openly advertise to break the law. > > > > I intend to purchase these labs in the new year and I have read the > > "license" > > > > This would break the purchase agreement. > > > > Kevin Wigle > > > > "Steven Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Does anyone has the cciebootcamp practice lab scenario? If yes, want to > > > trade ? > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: re:cciebootcamp
I agree with Laurel, personal attacks should be avoided! I DON'T agree with the illegal pirating of software or other material but I will have to admit, I'm guilty in some form or another, whether it be a friend that just gave me a copy of some software, or I burned a CD for a backup copy. I would also be willing to bet these people who publicly attack others for "breaking the law" have also illegally burned a couple of CD's or some other form of material! I think we all have in some way or another! My $.02 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Laurel Redd Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 6:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: re:cciebootcamp Yeah that and distributing copies of burned software, making copies of music to give to friends. Hey we all make mistakes. Maybe this person didn't know I sure didn't. I personally elect to give the benifit of the doubt. Thanks Laurel Redd, CCNA - Original Message - From: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: re:cciebootcamp > It always amazes me that people will openly advertise to break the law. > > I intend to purchase these labs in the new year and I have read the > "license" > > This would break the purchase agreement. > > Kevin Wigle > > "Steven Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Does anyone has the cciebootcamp practice lab scenario? If yes, want to > > trade ? > > > > > > regards, > > lee > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re:cciebootcamp
Yeah that and distributing copies of burned software, making copies of music to give to friends. Hey we all make mistakes. Maybe this person didn't know I sure didn't. I personally elect to give the benifit of the doubt. Thanks Laurel Redd, CCNA - Original Message - From: "Kevin Wigle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "cisco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:03 PM Subject: re:cciebootcamp > It always amazes me that people will openly advertise to break the law. > > I intend to purchase these labs in the new year and I have read the > "license" > > This would break the purchase agreement. > > Kevin Wigle > > "Steven Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Does anyone has the cciebootcamp practice lab scenario? If yes, want to > > trade ? > > > > > > regards, > > lee > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re:cciebootcamp
It always amazes me that people will openly advertise to break the law. I intend to purchase these labs in the new year and I have read the "license" This would break the purchase agreement. Kevin Wigle "Steven Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:8vh07k$rql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Does anyone has the cciebootcamp practice lab scenario? If yes, want to > trade ? > > > regards, > lee > > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
