speaking of PIX clones [7:36593]

2002-02-26 Thread Mike Sweeney

I just heard from a friend that a SonicWall rep was saying(dont you love 5th
hand news) that Cisco is planning to crack down on PIXes being resold on
Ebay by killing any and all support for them. No smartnet, no software, no
activation keys etc..

I personally think it is a bunch of hooyie.. The number of PIX units being
sold 2nd hand on Ebay is a grain of sand compared to national/world sales of
new units and to expend that much effort, ill will and bad karma really
doesnt strike me as the "cisco way" of doing business. MS maybe.. but not
cisco.

Am I off base here?  even if it's a bunch of crap, it makes for some
interesting thoughts.. whats next? no support for used routers? switches ? 
talk about killing the goose that lays golden eggs..

MikeS



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Re: speaking of PIX clones [7:36593]

2002-02-26 Thread Chuck

if you ever want to see something funny, tell a customer in the presence of
a Cisco account team that the customer should sell his old stuff on eBay
rather than trade it in to Cisco.

if looks could kill...

on a more serious note, while Cisco can make a very good legal case against
folks who buy used routers, then download new IOS images, I think it might
be very difficult for them to take legal action against people who sell used
Cisco equipment, or those who buy. This ground has already been covered with
used PC's, used IBM computer and terminal equipment, used cars, used books,
etc etc etc.


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> I just heard from a friend that a SonicWall rep was saying(dont you love
5th
> hand news) that Cisco is planning to crack down on PIXes being resold on
> Ebay by killing any and all support for them. No smartnet, no software, no
> activation keys etc..
>
> I personally think it is a bunch of hooyie.. The number of PIX units being
> sold 2nd hand on Ebay is a grain of sand compared to national/world sales
of
> new units and to expend that much effort, ill will and bad karma really
> doesnt strike me as the "cisco way" of doing business. MS maybe.. but not
> cisco.
>
> Am I off base here?  even if it's a bunch of crap, it makes for some
> interesting thoughts.. whats next? no support for used routers? switches ?
> talk about killing the goose that lays golden eggs..
>
> MikeS




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Re: speaking of PIX clones [7:36593]

2002-02-27 Thread Wes Stevens

Suspect that is just a vender doing anything that they can to make a sale. 
Cisco has had a reputation of playing the game fair. When the market started 
to get flooded last year with used gear their tactic was to give good trade 
in's to try and keep as much off the used market as possible - a very fair 
tactic IMO. Also the people who are buying used pix's on Ebay are not really 
hurting Cisco sales much. If they were not buying the pix at a used price 
they would probably be buying a Sonicwall or some other less expensive 
firewall. In that way it is a win for Cisco.

Like you say they are not msft. That is why I don't think they would be too 
happy with Jason Sullivan's post about legal action.


>From: "Mike Sweeney" 
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>Subject: speaking of PIX clones [7:36593]
>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:38:51 -0500
>
>I just heard from a friend that a SonicWall rep was saying(dont you love 
>5th
>hand news) that Cisco is planning to crack down on PIXes being resold on
>Ebay by killing any and all support for them. No smartnet, no software, no
>activation keys etc..
>
>I personally think it is a bunch of hooyie.. The number of PIX units being
>sold 2nd hand on Ebay is a grain of sand compared to national/world sales 
>of
>new units and to expend that much effort, ill will and bad karma really
>doesnt strike me as the "cisco way" of doing business. MS maybe.. but not
>cisco.
>
>Am I off base here?  even if it's a bunch of crap, it makes for some
>interesting thoughts.. whats next? no support for used routers? switches ?
>talk about killing the goose that lays golden eggs..
>
>MikeS
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RE: speaking of PIX clones [7:36593]

2002-02-27 Thread Georg Pauwen

That sounds like a car dealer refusing to service used cars. I would think
that as long as the software licenses are purchased, what does it matter
where the PIX has been purchased ? I am a big fan of EBay, and I purchased a
couple of Cisco routers and switches for my lab, which saved me several
thousands of dollars.
By the way, I fully agree with the Microsoft policy on cracking down on
illegal/unlicensed use of their software. It costs money to develop their
products. Wether you illegally copy CDs or DVDs, or software, it is
stealing. Admittedly, why do people use unlicensed software ? Because most
of it is too d... expensive !

Georg


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