Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On May 4, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Chas Emerick wrote: >> Any breadcrumb navigation would require mousing around a bit > > Unless it was entirely driven by keyboard shortcuts :) > >> Perhaps what might be useful is a quick way to show the graph of nodes >> you've visited in the current session -- breadcrumbs of a sort, but shown in >> the graph itself so you can easily peek back at docs and (once I implement >> it) inspect the connecting edges? > > Sounds like that would do what I'm after, yes. Between these two, I'm now noodling on making navigation entirely keyboard-driven. Thanks :-) > I'm a "paying customer" of the Atlas now, BTW. Looking forward to > completion of the content and the upcoming 1.3.0 version! Many thanks. The former is coming along nicely. There will likely be an update in that department this week. 1.3.0 will hopefully be available this month; I need to do a little refactoring so as to generalize the hosting of the atlases (seems like that should be atlai) -- everything is actually hardwired to 1.2.0 at the moment. :-/ - Chas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Chas Emerick wrote: > Any breadcrumb navigation would require mousing around a bit Unless it was entirely driven by keyboard shortcuts :) > Perhaps you're hoping for an 'up' that was equivalent to two 'back' actions…? Probably. Like I say, maybe I just need to work with it some more. > Perhaps what might be useful is a quick way to show the graph of nodes you've > visited in the current session -- breadcrumbs of a sort, but shown in the > graph itself so you can easily peek back at docs and (once I implement it) > inspect the connecting edges? Sounds like that would do what I'm after, yes. > Contributing to classic contrib was much more difficult than it is to > contribute to "new contrib" I'll have to take your word for that :) > I have to believe that the latter will be far larger in relatively short > order, while being of far higher quality at the same time. +1 on that second point. I'm a "paying customer" of the Atlas now, BTW. Looking forward to completion of the content and the upcoming 1.3.0 version! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On May 3, 2011, at 10:21 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: >> FWIW, click-and-hold on the back or forward buttons in your browser will >> give you the "breadcrumbs" you're looking for. > > Hmm... that means taking the mouse out of the atlas and interacting > with the chrome of its surroundings... Any breadcrumb navigation would require mousing around a bit -- whether that's up to the browser's buttons or up to a history in the toolbar. Note that I'm all for having better navigation options within Clojure Atlas. I just want to make sure that those options are obviously better than what all the browsers provide by default. >> I'd like to plumb at this up/down notion a bit. Perhaps it's not clear, but >> the ontology is not a hierarchy – there absolutely are cycles in its graph. >> For example: >> >> http://www.clojureatlas.com/org.clojure:clojure:1.2.0?guest=Y#clojure.core/isa? >> >> Which way is "up" (or "down") from isa? here? > > It was more relative to the browser history. I start at Clojure, I go > off exploring, I find myself on some node with no obvious direct edge > to something I was looking at before. If I could hit 'up' and go back > in the history to the last thing connected to what I'm focused on... > > Maybe I just need to spend more time with it and just get used to the > way it works now... I think 'up' and 'back' here are synonymous. Perhaps you're hoping for an 'up' that was equivalent to two 'back' actions…? The way I think of it, there is a graph (defined by the ontology) that includes all concepts, vars, and classes in Clojure and its library. It's highly-connected, with cycles all over the place. Sanely visualizing it requires that we restrict our visible scope over that graph, as if it were wrapped onto a sphere that we were rotating each time we focus on a different node. Perhaps what might be useful is a quick way to show the graph of nodes you've visited in the current session -- breadcrumbs of a sort, but shown in the graph itself so you can easily peek back at docs and (once I implement it) inspect the connecting edges? >> As you say, 1.2.0 contrib is large, but "new contrib" is likely to get much, >> much larger (presumably larger than the standard library) since contributing >> to it is far easier than classic contrb. > > Really? I thought "new contrib" was more tightly controlled and > subject to more Clojure/core approval. Mind you, we had ~60 old > contrib libraries and we already have close to 30 new contrib > libraries so you may well be right... Controlled, yes, but for quality, not size. Contributing to classic contrib was much more difficult than it is to contribute to "new contrib", so I have to believe that the latter will be far larger in relatively short order, while being of far higher quality at the same time. - Chas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Chas Emerick wrote: > That's interesting; I very intentionally built in "proper" support for > browser back/forward actions (as you discovered), thinking that that would be > a good local maxima in terms of history navigation. I guess I could get used to splat-[ / splat-] as the hot keys for that (RockMelt on Mac OS X). > FWIW, click-and-hold on the back or forward buttons in your browser will give >you the "breadcrumbs" you're looking for. Hmm... that means taking the mouse out of the atlas and interacting with the chrome of its surroundings... > I'd like to plumb at this up/down notion a bit. Perhaps it's not clear, but > the ontology is not a hierarchy – there absolutely are cycles in its graph. > For example: > > http://www.clojureatlas.com/org.clojure:clojure:1.2.0?guest=Y#clojure.core/isa? > > Which way is "up" (or "down") from isa? here? It was more relative to the browser history. I start at Clojure, I go off exploring, I find myself on some node with no obvious direct edge to something I was looking at before. If I could hit 'up' and go back in the history to the last thing connected to what I'm focused on... Maybe I just need to spend more time with it and just get used to the way it works now... > As you say, 1.2.0 contrib is large, but "new contrib" is likely to get much, > much larger (presumably larger than the standard library) since contributing > to it is far easier than classic contrb. Really? I thought "new contrib" was more tightly controlled and subject to more Clojure/core approval. Mind you, we had ~60 old contrib libraries and we already have close to 30 new contrib libraries so you may well be right... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
ALT-<[LEFT|RIGHT] ARROW> - nav back/forward I was very pleased to have proper browsing history support - great way to do breadcrumbs. P.S. When I started learning clojure a year ago, one of the biggest pain points was not having a resource like this. Dynamic languages, in general, and clojure, in particular, lack the self-documenting relational ontology that static language jocks take for granted. It's difficult to quickly find relationships (e.g. find all the functions that operate on ISeq or Seqable); having half of Clojure implemented in Clojure and the other half in Java doesn't make it easy to automate this navigation with tools either. Major kudos on this. On May 3, 4:39 pm, Chas Emerick wrote: > On May 3, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > > > It's a very cool way to visualize the Clojure world and to explore > > what's available. One thing I found - which would definitely stop me > > paying for it as-is - I get lost when I drill down: there's no way to > > navigate 'back' to what I was looking at and no sense of history (like > > a crumb trail). Messing around with the demo I just realized I can use > > the browser back button / hot key but that feels clunky - being able > > to navigate more easily with keyboard shortcuts within the atlas > > itself would make it a lot nicer to use. Perhaps left arrow / right > > arrow to go back / forward thru the direct history and up arrow / down > > arrow to jump up and down the hierarchy? > > That's interesting; I very intentionally built in "proper" support for > browser back/forward actions (as you discovered), thinking that that would be > a good local maxima in terms of history navigation. FWIW, click-and-hold on > the back or forward buttons in your browser will give you the "breadcrumbs" > you're looking for. > > I'm not entirely convinced that left/right shortcuts would make sense — that > would simply map to back/forward in the browser, which already have keyboard > shortcuts. I'll think about it for a bit. > > I'd like to plumb at this up/down notion a bit. Perhaps it's not clear, but > the ontology is not a hierarchy – there absolutely are cycles in its graph. > For example: > > http://www.clojureatlas.com/org.clojure:clojure:1.2.0?guest=Y#clojure... > > Which way is "up" (or "down") from isa? here? > > > It doesn't appear to include any of the contrib libraries (I know > > that's a mammoth task for 1.2.0). Do you plan to include the new > > contrib libraries in 1.3.0 since they seem more "integrated" now? > > I hope that Clojure Atlas will include contrib libraries in the future, > though I can't imagine I'll be building the ontologies for them. As you say, > 1.2.0 contrib is large, but "new contrib" is likely to get much, much larger > (presumably larger than the standard library) since contributing to it is far > easier than classic contrb. I'm thinking about various ways to allow for > community-constructed ontologies for various libraries, including contrib of > all versions. > > - Chas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On May 3, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: >> It doesn't appear to include any of the contrib libraries (I know >> that's a mammoth task for 1.2.0). Do you plan to include the new >> contrib libraries in 1.3.0 since they seem more "integrated" now? > > I also could not find: try/catch/finally/throw, do, if, quote... Are > these known "missing" special forms? Indeed; all of the special forms in the ontology right now are linked from: http://www.clojureatlas.com/org.clojure:clojure:1.2.0?guest=Y#concept/special-forms As I say at http://www.clojureatlas.com/#status, I'm far from done. :-) BTW, thanks for the earlier feedback, - Chas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On May 3, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > It's a very cool way to visualize the Clojure world and to explore > what's available. One thing I found - which would definitely stop me > paying for it as-is - I get lost when I drill down: there's no way to > navigate 'back' to what I was looking at and no sense of history (like > a crumb trail). Messing around with the demo I just realized I can use > the browser back button / hot key but that feels clunky - being able > to navigate more easily with keyboard shortcuts within the atlas > itself would make it a lot nicer to use. Perhaps left arrow / right > arrow to go back / forward thru the direct history and up arrow / down > arrow to jump up and down the hierarchy? That's interesting; I very intentionally built in "proper" support for browser back/forward actions (as you discovered), thinking that that would be a good local maxima in terms of history navigation. FWIW, click-and-hold on the back or forward buttons in your browser will give you the "breadcrumbs" you're looking for. I'm not entirely convinced that left/right shortcuts would make sense — that would simply map to back/forward in the browser, which already have keyboard shortcuts. I'll think about it for a bit. I'd like to plumb at this up/down notion a bit. Perhaps it's not clear, but the ontology is not a hierarchy – there absolutely are cycles in its graph. For example: http://www.clojureatlas.com/org.clojure:clojure:1.2.0?guest=Y#clojure.core/isa? Which way is "up" (or "down") from isa? here? > It doesn't appear to include any of the contrib libraries (I know > that's a mammoth task for 1.2.0). Do you plan to include the new > contrib libraries in 1.3.0 since they seem more "integrated" now? I hope that Clojure Atlas will include contrib libraries in the future, though I can't imagine I'll be building the ontologies for them. As you say, 1.2.0 contrib is large, but "new contrib" is likely to get much, much larger (presumably larger than the standard library) since contributing to it is far easier than classic contrb. I'm thinking about various ways to allow for community-constructed ontologies for various libraries, including contrib of all versions. - Chas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > It doesn't appear to include any of the contrib libraries (I know > that's a mammoth task for 1.2.0). Do you plan to include the new > contrib libraries in 1.3.0 since they seem more "integrated" now? I also could not find: try/catch/finally/throw, do, if, quote... Are these known "missing" special forms? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Chas Emerick wrote: > I've previously linked[1] to my preview of Clojure Atlas – my attempt at > producing a more useful, more tractable medium for understanding programming > languages and the libraries that go along with them – so I won't repeat that > material here. I did think I'd let the list know that Clojure Atlas is now > available publicly however: > http://clojureatlas.com It's a very cool way to visualize the Clojure world and to explore what's available. One thing I found - which would definitely stop me paying for it as-is - I get lost when I drill down: there's no way to navigate 'back' to what I was looking at and no sense of history (like a crumb trail). Messing around with the demo I just realized I can use the browser back button / hot key but that feels clunky - being able to navigate more easily with keyboard shortcuts within the atlas itself would make it a lot nicer to use. Perhaps left arrow / right arrow to go back / forward thru the direct history and up arrow / down arrow to jump up and down the hierarchy? It doesn't appear to include any of the contrib libraries (I know that's a mammoth task for 1.2.0). Do you plan to include the new contrib libraries in 1.3.0 since they seem more "integrated" now? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On Tuesday, May 3, 2011 3:31:33 PM UTC-4, tbc++ wrote: > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jeffrey Schwab wrote: > >> Boo. Keep the paywall. Don't make me look at ads. And for the record, >> you're not paying for information, but rather to have the information >> presented in a particular way. >> >> > Well I think it's more of the case that with a paywall you'll get a very > small number of people generating income. With ads every user could be > generating ads. I don't know how many programs I don't use simply because > it's a cool program but not $20 cool... From a business standpoint one as to > ask if program X that costs Y will save developers Y worth of work. > Maybe the best model is: Ads by default, or pay your way out of them. /. has a nice implementation of this, where you can fine-tune the frequency with which you see ads. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On May 3, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Jeffrey Schwab wrote: > Boo. Keep the paywall. Don't make me look at ads. And for the record, > you're not paying for information, but rather to have the information > presented in a particular way. No worries, I've zero intention of using advertising of any sort. Besides it being a pitiful source of actual revenue except in very specific circumstances, I'd much rather optimize to make the product more useful for its users, rather than compromising it in various ways in the hopes of earning 5¢ from Google. - Chas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jeffrey Schwab wrote: > Boo. Keep the paywall. Don't make me look at ads. And for the record, > you're not paying for information, but rather to have the information > presented in a particular way. > > Well I think it's more of the case that with a paywall you'll get a very small number of people generating income. With ads every user could be generating ads. I don't know how many programs I don't use simply because it's a cool program but not $20 cool... From a business standpoint one as to ask if program X that costs Y will save developers Y worth of work. Timothy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On May 3, 2011, at 3:15 PM, Timothy Baldridge wrote: > > There is a free (nagging) demo, but I assure you kittens will purr just for > > you if you support Clojure Atlas' future development with your purchase. > > You know it's nice, the search is pretty cool. But it takes me longer to go > and search, or to chase little (i) symbols around than it does to actually go > to the repl and hit (doc assoc). Maybe it's just too much eye candy for my > liking. Check out the 'help' link in the upper-right; you can hold down Ctrl while scrubbing over nodes to see docs, source, etc. Indeed, if you're just after (doc foo) for some known foo, Clojure Atlas has little to offer. The hope is that this will make it easier to (a) find an unknown bar that is relevant to the operation/data structure/etc you're working with, and (b) understand the relationships between different types, data structures, classes of operations, etc. And, yes, the "overanimated" quality of the visualization is the #1-reported problem so far. I've prioritized it appropriately. Thanks for the feedback, - Chas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
This is awesome job, Chas, thanks for creating this! 2011/5/3 Chas Emerick > I've previously linked[1] to my preview of Clojure Atlas – my attempt at > producing a more useful, more tractable medium for understanding programming > languages and the libraries that go along with them – so I won't repeat > that material here. I did think I'd let the list know that Clojure Atlas is > now available publicly however: > > http://clojureatlas.com > > And a few comments on its release are available on my blog[2]. > > There is a free (nagging) demo, but I assure you kittens will purr just for > you if you support Clojure Atlas' future development with your purchase. > FYI, you can currently get $10 off of Clojure Atlas for Clojure 1.3 when > you preorder it now with your 1.2 purchase[3]. > > I suspect I'll not clutter up the ML with further announcements (though > I'll happily answer questions, if any are posed), so make sure you follow > @ClojureAtlas[4] or subscribe to updates by email[5] if you'd like to be > notified as Clojure Atlas is expanded and improved. > > Thanks, > > - Chas > > [1] > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/3b8e2eaed664e3ca > [2] http://cemerick.com/2011/05/03/clojure-atlas-now-available/ > [3] http://clojureatlas.com/buy > [4] http://twitter.com/ClojureAtlas > [5] http://www.clojureatlas.com/#status > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
Boo. Keep the paywall. Don't make me look at ads. And for the record, you're not paying for information, but rather to have the information presented in a particular way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Timothy Baldridge wrote: >> There is a free (nagging) demo, but I assure you kittens will purr just >> for >> you if you support Clojure Atlas' future development with your purchase. > > You know it's nice, the search is pretty cool. But it takes me longer to go > and search, or to chase little (i) symbols around than it does to actually > go to the repl and hit (doc assoc). Not to mention that (doc assoc) is free. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
> There is a free (nagging) demo, but I assure you kittens will purr just for > you if you support Clojure Atlas' future development with your purchase. You know it's nice, the search is pretty cool. But it takes me longer to go and search, or to chase little (i) symbols around than it does to actually go to the repl and hit (doc assoc). Maybe it's just too much eye candy for my liking. Timothy > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Chas Emerick wrote: > There is a free (nagging) demo, but I assure you kittens will purr just for > you if you support Clojure Atlas' future development with your purchase. You've put this thing behind a *paywall*? It's *information*. If you really want to monetize it you'll probably get far more by having it freely and easily accessible, so lots of people will link into it, and putting AdSense on every page. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
