Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
I'd also be happy to be a backup mentor. I've been part of the GSoC in the past. I know the official situation is that there is a 1:1 correspondence between mentor and student, but if anyone wants any additional support while mentoring I'd be happy to be a part of that as well. Cheers, '(Devin Walters) On Monday, March 5, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Paul deGrandis wrote: I'll happily be a backup mentor. I've gone through the Summer of Code program twice as a student (Nmap and PyPy). I'll actively help any mentor or pair with any student. Paul On Mar 5, 10:38 am, David Nolen dnolen.li (http://dnolen.li)...@gmail.com (http://gmail.com) wrote: Thanks! Unless somebody else wants to - I'm willing to be the backup admin. David On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Christopher Redinger redin...@gmail.com (http://gmail.com)wrote: I've created a new page in Confluence with questions from the application. http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012+A... If some people can take a pass at getting answers posted to those questions, I can submit the application this week. Also needed: * Who is interested in being the backup admin (should something happen to cause me to be unable to perform those duties)? * I see primary mentors for many of the projects. Are there people willing to be back up mentors? Again, in case something prevents the primary mentor from doing so? On Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:37:53 PM UTC-5, Alexander Yakushev wrote: I hate to be boring but if the application has not been filed yet then now is the best time to do it. Only five days left, and it is good to have some spare time to correct the mistakes, you know:). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Great job answering the application questions, David! I was just wondering if Steve Yegge could vouch for Clojure since I remember him being very excited about the language, so maybe he might say a nice word for Clojure participation... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Thanks! Unless somebody else wants to - I'm willing to be the backup admin. David On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Christopher Redinger redin...@gmail.comwrote: I've created a new page in Confluence with questions from the application. http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012+Application+Questions If some people can take a pass at getting answers posted to those questions, I can submit the application this week. Also needed: * Who is interested in being the backup admin (should something happen to cause me to be unable to perform those duties)? * I see primary mentors for many of the projects. Are there people willing to be back up mentors? Again, in case something prevents the primary mentor from doing so? On Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:37:53 PM UTC-5, Alexander Yakushev wrote: I hate to be boring but if the application has not been filed yet then now is the best time to do it. Only five days left, and it is good to have some spare time to correct the mistakes, you know:). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
I'll happily be a backup mentor. I've gone through the Summer of Code program twice as a student (Nmap and PyPy). I'll actively help any mentor or pair with any student. Paul On Mar 5, 10:38 am, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! Unless somebody else wants to - I'm willing to be the backup admin. David On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:21 AM, Christopher Redinger redin...@gmail.comwrote: I've created a new page in Confluence with questions from the application. http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012+A... If some people can take a pass at getting answers posted to those questions, I can submit the application this week. Also needed: * Who is interested in being the backup admin (should something happen to cause me to be unable to perform those duties)? * I see primary mentors for many of the projects. Are there people willing to be back up mentors? Again, in case something prevents the primary mentor from doing so? On Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:37:53 PM UTC-5, Alexander Yakushev wrote: I hate to be boring but if the application has not been filed yet then now is the best time to do it. Only five days left, and it is good to have some spare time to correct the mistakes, you know:). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
I hate to be boring but if the application has not been filed yet then now is the best time to do it. Only five days left, and it is good to have some spare time to correct the mistakes, you know:). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
I've created a new page in Confluence with questions from the application. http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012+Application+Questions If some people can take a pass at getting answers posted to those questions, I can submit the application this week. Also needed: * Who is interested in being the backup admin (should something happen to cause me to be unable to perform those duties)? * I see primary mentors for many of the projects. Are there people willing to be back up mentors? Again, in case something prevents the primary mentor from doing so? On Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:37:53 PM UTC-5, Alexander Yakushev wrote: I hate to be boring but if the application has not been filed yet then now is the best time to do it. Only five days left, and it is good to have some spare time to correct the mistakes, you know:). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Here's one more idea but I'm not quite sure how to implement it so if anyone can confirm that it is doable then it would be nice to have this idea on the GSoC list. Clojure already has a set of benchmarks to test its performance but the data is not so easy to get for an common Clojure user (you need to download benchmarks, run it etc.). Things would be much more convenient if these benchmarks were run on each Clojure build in Hudson. This way everyone could easily track the performance enhancements and lapses following each commit. Even better would be a combination of benchmarks and a profiler that yields data that could be further compared across different commits. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Can someone confirm that Clojure/core has already sent an application GSoC participation? I am just wondering if core is already interested in this kind of event or the initiative currently comes only from mentors. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
On Tue, 2012-02-28 at 01:35 -0600, Devin Walters wrote: One item that hasn't made the project ideas list that I've seen numerous threads about is documentation. Does this fall within the scope of GSoC? It seems like there are a lot of opportunities to either organize, revise, update, or generate documentation. Some ideas: - Clojure.org's Libraries section still talks about contrib like it's first class. - The Getting Started guide could always use more work. - StackOverflow contains nuggets of wisdom that aren't anywhere in official documentation. (It also contains a lot of bad answers, but still…) - I've heard it said on more than one occasion that xyz docstring is out of date. - This is one of the few communities where you can go back to 2008 and read a transcript of a conversation between Chouser and Rich about why map destructuring is the way it is. Some of these conversations hold some deep wisdom about Why Things Are The Way They Are. - This list contains truckloads of information that could be organized for more efficient consumption. - ClojureScript wouldn't be hurt by more documentation. - Without making this a laundry list I'd just say: Producing and organizing good documentation is hard labor, but it is also something that I think benefits the entire community. Moreover, it might give someone a chance to learn a ton about Clojure over the course of a summer, and make it easier on everyone who decides to try out Clojure in the future as a nice side effect. I'd like to suggest we add an intentionally vague option to Make Lots of Things Better and list some ideas for how one might go about doing that. I'd mentor someone willing to do work on the literate programming version. See http://daly.axiom-developer.org/clojure.pdf http://daly.axiom-developer.org/clojure.pamphlet (src) Even more interesting... It appears that the ePub standard allows embedded javascript. So ideally we would like to manipulate a canvas to show the ideas. For instance, I'd like to see a digital book that had a canvas element that showed the red-black-trie evolve, potentially interactively. Even more interesting... Write the generated javascript for the above ePub demonstration using ClojureScript I'd be willing to mentor any of those. More ideas that might bear interesting and desirable fruit: - Make an album with Overtone. (Kidding (but only a little bit (not kidding at all, actually (I bet we'd get some passionate proposals (and maybe even a record deal ;) I watched the overtone video shortly after finishing both the stanford machine learning course, the signals course and a genetics course. It would be possible to extract features from your favorite songs e.g ( http://www.ams.org/notices/200903/rtx090300356p.pdf ) using FFT signal processing. (signals) Use the overtone feature set to define the possible features. (overtone). It would be possible to rank the features of your favorite songs by listening to each song and constructing a like value for each song (e.g. hit the + key multiple times, or use a number to rate the song from 1 to 11 (ala spinal tap). (machine learning) Having ranked the songs, use the learning algorithm to predict the kinds of songs you like based on features. Use overtone to generate new songs with the most popular features (overtone). Use vector crossovers to generate new songs. (genetic programming). Rinse and repeat. Sort of a sample without samples :-) - The sidebar on the left of the GSoC page lists an opening for a Community Manager Internship. I think a lot of what I'm suggesting falls under that umbrella. creating/editing documentation, helping migrate projects to newer versions of clojure, developing sample applications such as solutions for the alioth benchmarks, answering questions on IRC, administering/maintaing clojure.org, clojure.com, assemble, confluence, mycroft, etc. I guess what I'm saying is, at the end of the day: Let's add documentation to the list, but also add some other obviously fun projects and see what kind of proposals we receive. It doesn't mean we need to accept them, it just shows (IMO) we're very open minded about people who are passionate about building what /they/ care about, not necessarily what we care about. If some musician in grad school submitted a proposal to make an album exclusively with Overtone and published the source that would be a boon to the Overtone project IMO. If a sophomore in college wants to build some crazy parallelized Rube Goldberg machine with Clojure then I think we should at least entertain the idea of it. More than anything, I think we need to present the people who *might* do something like that with the face of a community that would genuinely appreciate it. I've met many of you personally, so I hardly think that's a stretch for us. This is getting really long so I apologize, but I'd like to offer up a bit of personal experience w/r/t GSoC:
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Another two ideas were added :) (Native Clojure and Code optimizer). Hoping readers will not mind for putting myself as mentor on one of them, but if there are better candidates, feel free to take it :) I did a little bit gcj + Clojure playing and I'm eager to see native Clojure without jvm. Although I did some exploring on possible optimization techniques, I'm leaving mentor section on Optimizer empty as there are probably more experienced colleagues in this field. Regards, Sanel On Feb 26, 6:19 pm, David Nolen dnolen.li...@gmail.com wrote: http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012 Please submit more project ideas :) David On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: So the application submiting procedure for organizations starts tomorrow but sadly there isn't any word about it at least on Confluence. There are willing mentors on the clojure-dev list and ideas to submit but as far as I understood from the GSOC site an organization must apply to host all these project ideas and subsequently assign mentors. Here's how a mentoring organization should apply (may save some time): http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/... . Here's an example of the idea list for GSOC: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas Hopefully we will see Clojure as a mentoring organization for the Clojure itself and third-party projects too. As you can see, there are students who would like to jump in the development and Clojure community could make use of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Core has not submitted the application. The application process just opened Monday and goes until March 9th. There have been some leaders among Clojure/dev that have stepped up to organize things. Keep watching http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012 for more details. I said I would be more than happy to put my name on something that needs a single point of communication and submit the application if that's what's necessary. But honestly, with the community rallying behind this, I think things are moving along just fine. Having the community push this effort is more beneficial than having Core do it, except in the case that there is some part that is dependent on having an official organization like Core. On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:02:58 AM UTC-5, Alexander Yakushev wrote: Can someone confirm that Clojure/core has already sent an application GSoC participation? I am just wondering if core is already interested in this kind of event or the initiative currently comes only from mentors. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
I've pushed the documentation boulder up the hill a bit and left some specific ideas I had here: http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/clojure.org+TODO+list Many people have picked up parts of it since I wrote it (yay!) but there are still a number of biggish pieces there that need to be blessed/vetted by someone in core. I know Fogus made a pass with many changes recently and perhaps some of the things on the list are moot now. What needs to be done imho is just web site information design work. I'm not sure if that falls in GSoC's normal purview. There are suggested unsessions at Clojure/West about both GSoC and documentation - I'd love to see a discussion take place about either during C/W. If anyone is interested, please add yourself to a list for either if you'll be there - http://clojurewest.wikispaces.com/Unsessions Alex On Feb 28, 1:35 am, Devin Walters dev...@gmail.com wrote: One item that hasn't made the project ideas list that I've seen numerous threads about is documentation. Does this fall within the scope of GSoC? It seems like there are a lot of opportunities to either organize, revise, update, or generate documentation. Some ideas: - Clojure.org's Libraries section still talks about contrib like it's first class. - The Getting Started guide could always use more work. - StackOverflow contains nuggets of wisdom that aren't anywhere in official documentation. (It also contains a lot of bad answers, but still…) - I've heard it said on more than one occasion that xyz docstring is out of date. - This is one of the few communities where you can go back to 2008 and read a transcript of a conversation between Chouser and Rich about why map destructuring is the way it is. Some of these conversations hold some deep wisdom about Why Things Are The Way They Are. - This list contains truckloads of information that could be organized for more efficient consumption. - ClojureScript wouldn't be hurt by more documentation. - Without making this a laundry list I'd just say: Producing and organizing good documentation is hard labor, but it is also something that I think benefits the entire community. Moreover, it might give someone a chance to learn a ton about Clojure over the course of a summer, and make it easier on everyone who decides to try out Clojure in the future as a nice side effect. I'd like to suggest we add an intentionally vague option to Make Lots of Things Better and list some ideas for how one might go about doing that. More ideas that might bear interesting and desirable fruit: - Make an album with Overtone. (Kidding (but only a little bit (not kidding at all, actually (I bet we'd get some passionate proposals (and maybe even a record deal ;) - The sidebar on the left of the GSoC page lists an opening for a Community Manager Internship. I think a lot of what I'm suggesting falls under that umbrella. creating/editing documentation, helping migrate projects to newer versions of clojure, developing sample applications such as solutions for the alioth benchmarks, answering questions on IRC, administering/maintaing clojure.org, clojure.com, assemble, confluence, mycroft, etc. I guess what I'm saying is, at the end of the day: Let's add documentation to the list, but also add some other obviously fun projects and see what kind of proposals we receive. It doesn't mean we need to accept them, it just shows (IMO) we're very open minded about people who are passionate about building what /they/ care about, not necessarily what we care about. If some musician in grad school submitted a proposal to make an album exclusively with Overtone and published the source that would be a boon to the Overtone project IMO. If a sophomore in college wants to build some crazy parallelized Rube Goldberg machine with Clojure then I think we should at least entertain the idea of it. More than anything, I think we need to present the people who *might* do something like that with the face of a community that would genuinely appreciate it. I've met many of you personally, so I hardly think that's a stretch for us. This is getting really long so I apologize, but I'd like to offer up a bit of personal experience w/r/t GSoC: I did GSoC years ago for Plan9 (Inferno-OS specifically). I was not very familiar with their community, and I doubt many people have ever read a book about programming Limbo. As a result, a lot of the ideas that were listed were strangely specific from my limited undergrad perspective. I was interested in learning about Plan9 and contributing, not necessarily learning Plan9 to make a distributed authentication system that someone else wanted for reasons that were unknown to me and/or were not well described in the description. As a result, keep in mind that we will potentially have people submitting proposals to write Skynet 1.0 in 3 months who are doing their undergrad and may have
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
I am gonna take part in the Google Summer of Code'12 for the first time and I'm really interested to know how many Clojure based projects will/are supposed to be sponsored by the Google this year. Moreover , I would like to know the key components which require development in Clojure as a reference to any student interested in it. Any pointers in the right direction will be highly appreciated Regards Mittal On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: So the application submiting procedure for organizations starts tomorrow but sadly there isn't any word about it at least on Confluence. There are willing mentors on the clojure-dev list and ideas to submit but as far as I understood from the GSOC site an organization must apply to host all these project ideas and subsequently assign mentors. Here's how a mentoring organization should apply (may save some time): http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#mentoring_apply . Here's an example of the idea list for GSOC: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas Hopefully we will see Clojure as a mentoring organization for the Clojure itself and third-party projects too. As you can see, there are students who would like to jump in the development and Clojure community could make use of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Clojure/core hasn't yet been accepted as an organization - and it might not at all! I have a feeling the more great ideas that students propose, the more people step up as potential mentors - the more compelling it is to choose an organization. So far we've seeded the proposal list with some mentor ideas. However you might not find anything in this list interesting! So propose something you're excited about :) This is a 100% community driven effort. The key component is some familiarity with Clojure. An ambitious student with a background in Scheme, Common Lisp, Standard ML, Haskell, Scala, Prolog, etc. would probably also do well. David On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Devesh Mittal devesh.vey...@gmail.comwrote: I am gonna take part in the Google Summer of Code'12 for the first time and I'm really interested to know how many Clojure based projects will/are supposed to be sponsored by the Google this year. Moreover , I would like to know the key components which require development in Clojure as a reference to any student interested in it. Any pointers in the right direction will be highly appreciated Regards Mittal On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: So the application submiting procedure for organizations starts tomorrow but sadly there isn't any word about it at least on Confluence. There are willing mentors on the clojure-dev list and ideas to submit but as far as I understood from the GSOC site an organization must apply to host all these project ideas and subsequently assign mentors. Here's how a mentoring organization should apply (may save some time): http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#mentoring_apply . Here's an example of the idea list for GSOC: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas Hopefully we will see Clojure as a mentoring organization for the Clojure itself and third-party projects too. As you can see, there are students who would like to jump in the development and Clojure community could make use of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Devin Walters dev...@gmail.com writes: Some seeds for project ideas: - documentation - clooj - clojars - leiningen If I had any big ideas for Leiningen I don't think I could wait until the summer to implement them... but I would be happy to help mentor for Clojars. -Phil -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Phil Hagelberg p...@hagelb.org wrote: Devin Walters dev...@gmail.com writes: Some seeds for project ideas: - documentation - clooj - clojars - leiningen If I had any big ideas for Leiningen I don't think I could wait until the summer to implement them... but I would be happy to help mentor for Clojars. -Phil Great! David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
I post the following proposal here because I'm not sure I've done it right. It would be interesting for me and may be for someone else. Decent Emacs-based Clojure IDE Brief explanation: Clojure has a critical need for a good novice-friendly IDE. Counterclockwise certainly has its advantages but Emacs is just too good Lisp IDE to ignore that fact. Things like Slime/Swank, CDT (http://georgejahad.com/clojure/cdt.html), Paredit being already developed greatly simplify the creation of a very functional IDE. What is required is to bring them altogether, write glue code from different sides (both Emacs and the above-mentioned tools) and provide a click-and-go distribution (both in the form of an Emacs meta plugin and a complete Emacs for Clojure build). More specific ideas for the beginning: - better Emacs-CDT integration - visible breakpoints, understandable distinction between program and debug REPLs (something like Eclipse perspectives may be useful) - better Emacs-lein integration - something like package-list-packages for clojars might be awesome when choosing dependencies for a project. - better project experience - bolster the feeling of working with a specific project rather than a bunch of files (can take some CEDET stuff for this). - better immersion experience - docs, guides, screencasts - the usual kind of new users support. Expected results: Emacs that acts as a Clojure IDE on a level how Eclipse handles Java Knowledge Prerequisite: Familiarity with Clojure and Clojure/Emacs development tools. Familiarity with Emacs Lisp. What do you think? I have a feeling that it's too much for one person but if wisely split it could be a feasible task. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Added On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: I post the following proposal here because I'm not sure I've done it right. It would be interesting for me and may be for someone else. Decent Emacs-based Clojure IDE Brief explanation: Clojure has a critical need for a good novice-friendly IDE. Counterclockwise certainly has its advantages but Emacs is just too good Lisp IDE to ignore that fact. Things like Slime/Swank, CDT (http://georgejahad.com/clojure/cdt.html), Paredit being already developed greatly simplify the creation of a very functional IDE. What is required is to bring them altogether, write glue code from different sides (both Emacs and the above-mentioned tools) and provide a click-and-go distribution (both in the form of an Emacs meta plugin and a complete Emacs for Clojure build). More specific ideas for the beginning: - better Emacs-CDT integration - visible breakpoints, understandable distinction between program and debug REPLs (something like Eclipse perspectives may be useful) - better Emacs-lein integration - something like package-list-packages for clojars might be awesome when choosing dependencies for a project. - better project experience - bolster the feeling of working with a specific project rather than a bunch of files (can take some CEDET stuff for this). - better immersion experience - docs, guides, screencasts - the usual kind of new users support. Expected results: Emacs that acts as a Clojure IDE on a level how Eclipse handles Java Knowledge Prerequisite: Familiarity with Clojure and Clojure/Emacs development tools. Familiarity with Emacs Lisp. What do you think? I have a feeling that it's too much for one person but if wisely split it could be a feasible task. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: I post the following proposal here because I'm not sure I've done it right. It would be interesting for me and may be for someone else. Decent Emacs-based Clojure IDE Whoa, hold your horses. Aren't Decent and Emacs-based mutually-exclusive? Brief explanation: Clojure has a critical need for a good novice-friendly IDE. Novice-friendly and Emacs-based definitely are. Sorry, but this is probably a nonstarter... Expected results: Emacs that acts as a Clojure IDE on a level how Eclipse handles Java Actual results: a large spike in ibuprofen sales at area pharmacies. :) The problem is the Emacs UI-paradigm. It's so completely at odds with what have become defacto industry standards (exemplified by Windows, MacOS Toolkit GUI, Swing, Gnome, KDE) that there's basically no way to sugar it up into something novice-friendly, or even just something that won't have the novice ripping out his hair and banging his head against sturdy objects struggling to make it behave the way it should when he tries to select, copy, paste, move, deselect, replace, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
On Feb 27, 9:13 pm, Cedric Greevey cgree...@gmail.com wrote: Whoa, hold your horses. Aren't Decent and Emacs-based mutually-exclusive? No, they are not. Novice-friendly and Emacs-based definitely are. Well, if we are considering a novice in software development then you are probably right. I was particularly talking about new users of Clojure. A seasoned developer can get acquainted with Emacs pretty easily and fast. Perhaps without the hairloss you described. Sorry, but this is probably a nonstarter... It could be, it could be not. After all I suppose the biggest part of the Clojure community still uses Emacs and I see a constant growth of reasons to it. CDT which I had not heard of until recently is a tool of a great usability improvement. This means that Emacs still matters for Clojure developers. And I don't think this is where you should apply a strict dichotomy between the hairy dudes stuck in middle ages with Emacs and all others who are used to common principles of Eclipse/ VS/etc. The usability is not 0 or 1, it is a ladder with lots of small steps. The higher you get the more users you have. However thank you for the comment, I'm still susceptible to choosing another project. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 27, 9:13 pm, Cedric Greevey cgree...@gmail.com wrote: Whoa, hold your horses. Aren't Decent and Emacs-based mutually-exclusive? No, they are not. Novice-friendly and Emacs-based definitely are. Well, if we are considering a novice in software development then you are probably right. I was particularly talking about new users of Clojure. A seasoned developer can get acquainted with Emacs pretty easily and fast. Perhaps without the hairloss you described. Sorry, but this is probably a nonstarter... It could be, it could be not. After all I suppose the biggest part of the Clojure community still uses Emacs and I see a constant growth of reasons to it. CDT which I had not heard of until recently is a tool of a great usability improvement. This means that Emacs still matters for Clojure developers. And I don't think this is where you should apply a strict dichotomy between the hairy dudes stuck in middle ages with Emacs and all others who are used to common principles of Eclipse/ VS/etc. The usability is not 0 or 1, it is a ladder with lots of small steps. The higher you get the more users you have. The emacs learning curve is more like a vertical cliff face than a ladder with lots of small steps... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
On Feb 27, 10:00 pm, Cedric Greevey cgree...@gmail.com wrote: The emacs learning curve is more like a vertical cliff face than a ladder with lots of small steps... I still don't get the point you are trying to bring. Is it You can't be productive with Emacs? If so then you are wrong and because Clojure developers prove otherwise. Or is it You can't teach a new user to use Emacs effectively? Once again I don't think this to be true, noone is born with Emacs shortcuts in his spinal cord. Please explain you position so I can take a better look from your perspective. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com writes: On Feb 27, 10:00 pm, Cedric Greevey cgree...@gmail.com wrote: The emacs learning curve is more like a vertical cliff face than a ladder with lots of small steps... I still don't get the point you are trying to bring. Feeding the troll just makes things worse. Thanks for your consideration. -Phil Hagelberg, on behalf of the list denizens with finely-tuned killfiles -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 27, 10:00 pm, Cedric Greevey cgree...@gmail.com wrote: The emacs learning curve is more like a vertical cliff face than a ladder with lots of small steps... I still don't get the point you are trying to bring. Is it You can't be productive with Emacs? If so then you are wrong and because Clojure developers prove otherwise. Or is it You can't teach a new user to use Emacs effectively? Once again I don't think this to be true, noone is born with Emacs shortcuts in his spinal cord. Please explain you position so I can take a better look from your perspective. It is, of course, neither of those things. Instead, it is An autodidact cannot quickly learn to use Emacs; also, a new user will be frustrated trying to learn Emacs, particularly unassisted. Both mean that an Emacs newbie cannot, under normal circumstances, expect to be productive very quickly, not the way they could be in, say, clooj or Enclojure. This, in turn, appears to make novice-friendly and Emacs-based mutually exclusive, where by novice is meant not a pre-existing Emacs user, perhaps among other things. As for the vertical cliff face specifically, the cause (based on my own attempts to use it on some Unix system some time ago) seems to be the way Emacs doesn't do *one single thing* in common with *any* popular software user interface. It's a nearly perfect circle of protection from newbies getting a grip on it. On the one hand, many basic editing functions have different and unguessable key bindings. OK, no problem, right? There's help, even a tutorial, etc. But when you open the help, it opens by the Emacs editor splitting down the middle, inside of Emacs, rather than as a separate thing. And because it's inside Emacs, the help's got idiosyncratic key bindings of its own. The complete newbie will have no clue how to (or even if they can) search it (no perceived affordances, in HCI-speak) and will have to scroll up and down skimming the text to find stuff. Of course, then there's the final plate in the newbie-proofing armor: once you've found the section on how to do X (say, paste, or even save and quit), now you need to get the input focus out of the help side of the display and back to the side with your text file in order to actually do it. Only problem is, the obvious (alt-tab, control-tab) of course don't work and so you can't get back without scrolling around in the help file some more, to find out how to switch the input focus between panes. The final straw will be when you discover that you *can't have the input focus in the editor with the how-to-do-X instructions displayed in the help pane*. Either the input focus is in the editor but the how-to-switch-panes instructions are in the help pane, or the how-to-do-X instructions are in the help pane but the input focus is in the help pane. The only way to get to the editor and do X requires you to either memorize the how-to-do-X instructions, navigate to the how-to-switch-panes instructions, switch panes, and then do X, or memorize the how-to-switch-panes instructions, navigate to the how-to-do-X instructions, switch panes, and then do X. And remember how to switch panes again when the time comes to now dredge up the help on how to do Y. The problem is that both require keeping one set of instructions memorized *while finding, reading, and performing the other*, which will tend to cause you to forget the first set, due to the limited size of human working memory. If even one of the things (say, how to switch panes) was second-nature from repeated use (like alt-tab already will be), this wouldn't be an issue, but since *every single thing* is done differently in Emacs, *none* of them will be second-nature to a new user, and with the above effect resulting from that, the new user cannot get anything nontrivial done until at least a few of these things are second-nature, which point they won't get to until they have spent a while using Emacs to get things done, which is a clear Catch-22. Basically, just to do common editing tasks will require you to actually *take written notes*, or at least use a separate open Notepad/whatever window in your operating system, and if you're going to use Notepad (or even pencil and paper!) why are you not just using Notepad instead of Emacs? It gets to be a what's the point sort of thing. (And it used to be even worse, or so I hear, back in the 70s or 80s. No arrow keys, so even scrolling in the help couldn't be done in an obvious way even to find out how to scroll in the help; and no press whatever for help status-line or whatever right after startup, so if you even got the help to display at all, it was by sheer accident and/or button-mashing, and you were damned if you knew how to make it happen again.) Now, in theory, learning how to use, say, Windows has the same initial cliff-face hurdle. Once you know alt-tab, you can have help open to anything
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Phil Hagelberg p...@hagelb.org wrote: Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com writes: On Feb 27, 10:00 pm, Cedric Greevey cgree...@gmail.com wrote: The emacs learning curve is more like a vertical cliff face than a ladder with lots of small steps... I still don't get the point you are trying to bring. Feeding the troll just makes things worse. Thanks for your consideration. -Phil Hagelberg, on behalf of the list denizens with finely-tuned killfiles Responding to someone's reasoned concerns with name-calling just makes things worse. Thanks for your consideration. -Cedric Greevey, on behalf of the list denizens who prefer meaningful discussions to mud-slinging. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
On Feb 28, 12:59 am, Cedric Greevey cgree...@gmail.com wrote: ... Ok, I got the idea now and I for sure understand your frustration with Emacs. Emacs is definitely not for the weak of spirit (it's not a pun in any way, I just compare your words to my own beginner's experiences) requiring you to learn, google and hack a lot to make of it an editor you want to use (while you can use Eclipse pretty much out-of-the-box without touching any configuration whatsoever). But that's not the point I wish to discuss anymore, we had already gotten too far away from the original topic. In order to make our discussion somehow productive I propose you to update the project list on Confluence with ideas for your Clojure IDE (CCW, Enclojure or something else) improvements. I'm sure you can name a list of things you want to be improved and there possibly are people who would like to work on this feature during GSOC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 28, 12:59 am, Cedric Greevey cgree...@gmail.com wrote: ... Ok, I got the idea now and I for sure understand your frustration with Emacs. Emacs is definitely not for the weak of spirit (it's not a pun in any way, I just compare your words to my own beginner's experiences) requiring you to learn, google and hack a lot to make of it an editor you want to use Hm. It might not be *quite* as bad nowadays, since now we a) have google and b) would probably be running Emacs (or connecting to it) in an emulated terminal in a desktop window with other, more familiar tools available alongside it, instead of being at a green-glowing terminal display without any of those resources ... Still sounds like more startup work for the newbie than basing it off another IDE, especially if by another IDE is meant clooj. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
One item that hasn't made the project ideas list that I've seen numerous threads about is documentation. Does this fall within the scope of GSoC? It seems like there are a lot of opportunities to either organize, revise, update, or generate documentation. Some ideas: - Clojure.org's Libraries section still talks about contrib like it's first class. - The Getting Started guide could always use more work. - StackOverflow contains nuggets of wisdom that aren't anywhere in official documentation. (It also contains a lot of bad answers, but still…) - I've heard it said on more than one occasion that xyz docstring is out of date. - This is one of the few communities where you can go back to 2008 and read a transcript of a conversation between Chouser and Rich about why map destructuring is the way it is. Some of these conversations hold some deep wisdom about Why Things Are The Way They Are. - This list contains truckloads of information that could be organized for more efficient consumption. - ClojureScript wouldn't be hurt by more documentation. - Without making this a laundry list I'd just say: Producing and organizing good documentation is hard labor, but it is also something that I think benefits the entire community. Moreover, it might give someone a chance to learn a ton about Clojure over the course of a summer, and make it easier on everyone who decides to try out Clojure in the future as a nice side effect. I'd like to suggest we add an intentionally vague option to Make Lots of Things Better and list some ideas for how one might go about doing that. More ideas that might bear interesting and desirable fruit: - Make an album with Overtone. (Kidding (but only a little bit (not kidding at all, actually (I bet we'd get some passionate proposals (and maybe even a record deal ;) - The sidebar on the left of the GSoC page lists an opening for a Community Manager Internship. I think a lot of what I'm suggesting falls under that umbrella. creating/editing documentation, helping migrate projects to newer versions of clojure, developing sample applications such as solutions for the alioth benchmarks, answering questions on IRC, administering/maintaing clojure.org, clojure.com, assemble, confluence, mycroft, etc. I guess what I'm saying is, at the end of the day: Let's add documentation to the list, but also add some other obviously fun projects and see what kind of proposals we receive. It doesn't mean we need to accept them, it just shows (IMO) we're very open minded about people who are passionate about building what /they/ care about, not necessarily what we care about. If some musician in grad school submitted a proposal to make an album exclusively with Overtone and published the source that would be a boon to the Overtone project IMO. If a sophomore in college wants to build some crazy parallelized Rube Goldberg machine with Clojure then I think we should at least entertain the idea of it. More than anything, I think we need to present the people who *might* do something like that with the face of a community that would genuinely appreciate it. I've met many of you personally, so I hardly think that's a stretch for us. This is getting really long so I apologize, but I'd like to offer up a bit of personal experience w/r/t GSoC: I did GSoC years ago for Plan9 (Inferno-OS specifically). I was not very familiar with their community, and I doubt many people have ever read a book about programming Limbo. As a result, a lot of the ideas that were listed were strangely specific from my limited undergrad perspective. I was interested in learning about Plan9 and contributing, not necessarily learning Plan9 to make a distributed authentication system that someone else wanted for reasons that were unknown to me and/or were not well described in the description. As a result, keep in mind that we will potentially have people submitting proposals to write Skynet 1.0 in 3 months who are doing their undergrad and may have only just had an introduction to lisp or scheme. Last note (I promise) is: potential mentors, this is not a small commitment. Trust me on that. It's as much your responsibility to steer someone toward success as it is theirs. Regards, '(Devin Walters) On Monday, February 27, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Cedric Greevey wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com (mailto:yakushev.a...@gmail.com) wrote: On Feb 28, 12:59 am, Cedric Greevey cgree...@gmail.com (http://gmail.com) wrote: ... Ok, I got the idea now and I for sure understand your frustration with Emacs. Emacs is definitely not for the weak of spirit (it's not a pun in any way, I just compare your words to my own beginner's experiences) requiring you to learn, google and hack a lot to make of it an editor you want to use Hm. It might not be *quite* as bad nowadays, since now we a) have google and b) would probably be
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
So the application submiting procedure for organizations starts tomorrow but sadly there isn't any word about it at least on Confluence. There are willing mentors on the clojure-dev list and ideas to submit but as far as I understood from the GSOC site an organization must apply to host all these project ideas and subsequently assign mentors. Here's how a mentoring organization should apply (may save some time): http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#mentoring_apply . Here's an example of the idea list for GSOC: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas Hopefully we will see Clojure as a mentoring organization for the Clojure itself and third-party projects too. As you can see, there are students who would like to jump in the development and Clojure community could make use of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012 Please submit more project ideas :) David On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: So the application submiting procedure for organizations starts tomorrow but sadly there isn't any word about it at least on Confluence. There are willing mentors on the clojure-dev list and ideas to submit but as far as I understood from the GSOC site an organization must apply to host all these project ideas and subsequently assign mentors. Here's how a mentoring organization should apply (may save some time): http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#mentoring_apply . Here's an example of the idea list for GSOC: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas Hopefully we will see Clojure as a mentoring organization for the Clojure itself and third-party projects too. As you can see, there are students who would like to jump in the development and Clojure community could make use of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Some seeds for project ideas: - documentation - clooj - clojars - leiningen '(Devin Walters) On Sunday, February 26, 2012 at 11:19 AM, David Nolen wrote: http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012 Please submit more project ideas :) David On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com (mailto:yakushev.a...@gmail.com) wrote: So the application submiting procedure for organizations starts tomorrow but sadly there isn't any word about it at least on Confluence. There are willing mentors on the clojure-dev list and ideas to submit but as far as I understood from the GSOC site an organization must apply to host all these project ideas and subsequently assign mentors. Here's how a mentoring organization should apply (may save some time): http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2012/faqs#mentoring_apply . Here's an example of the idea list for GSOC: http://community.kde.org/GSoC/2011/Ideas Hopefully we will see Clojure as a mentoring organization for the Clojure itself and third-party projects too. As you can see, there are students who would like to jump in the development and Clojure community could make use of them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com) For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure@googlegroups.com) Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com (mailto:clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
+1 additional student here. On Feb 17, 6:07 pm, Devin Walters dev...@gmail.com wrote: +1, would love to help in any way I can '(Devin Walters) On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Peter Hanak ptr6...@gmail.com wrote: another +1 here On Feb 14, 3:23 am, Simone Mosciatti mweb@gmail.com wrote: More students +1 On Feb 9, 9:54 am, Baishampayan Ghose b.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Alexander, A discussion is currently ongoing in the Clojure Dev mailing list. We are still waiting for someone from Clojure/core to chime in. Regards, BG On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am wondering if there is there anybody willing to take part in this year's GSoC as a mentor? I would be happy to contribute this summer's time to hacking Clojure and there are probably more students that would. Best regards, Alexander -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
another +1 here On Feb 14, 3:23 am, Simone Mosciatti mweb@gmail.com wrote: More students +1 On Feb 9, 9:54 am, Baishampayan Ghose b.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Alexander, A discussion is currently ongoing in the Clojure Dev mailing list. We are still waiting for someone from Clojure/core to chime in. Regards, BG On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am wondering if there is there anybody willing to take part in this year's GSoC as a mentor? I would be happy to contribute this summer's time to hacking Clojure and there are probably more students that would. Best regards, Alexander -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
+1, would love to help in any way I can '(Devin Walters) On Feb 17, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Peter Hanak ptr6...@gmail.com wrote: another +1 here On Feb 14, 3:23 am, Simone Mosciatti mweb@gmail.com wrote: More students +1 On Feb 9, 9:54 am, Baishampayan Ghose b.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Alexander, A discussion is currently ongoing in the Clojure Dev mailing list. We are still waiting for someone from Clojure/core to chime in. Regards, BG On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am wondering if there is there anybody willing to take part in this year's GSoC as a mentor? I would be happy to contribute this summer's time to hacking Clojure and there are probably more students that would. Best regards, Alexander -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
More students +1 On Feb 9, 9:54 am, Baishampayan Ghose b.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Alexander, A discussion is currently ongoing in the Clojure Dev mailing list. We are still waiting for someone from Clojure/core to chime in. Regards, BG On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am wondering if there is there anybody willing to take part in this year's GSoC as a mentor? I would be happy to contribute this summer's time to hacking Clojure and there are probably more students that would. Best regards, Alexander -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 - any mentors?
Alexander, A discussion is currently ongoing in the Clojure Dev mailing list. We are still waiting for someone from Clojure/core to chime in. Regards, BG On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Alexander Yakushev yakushev.a...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am wondering if there is there anybody willing to take part in this year's GSoC as a mentor? I would be happy to contribute this summer's time to hacking Clojure and there are probably more students that would. Best regards, Alexander -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Clojure group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
