Re: [CMLHope]

2013-07-16 Thread Marcie Goodman
Susan, did you make any progress today?  My personal email address is contained 
in the one I posted to Millie. Fellow warriors, we need to stick together and 
help out our friends. Susan, please email me directly so we can catch up 
following our conversation last night. 

Love, prayers and 18s to everyone. 

Marcie

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 10:10 PM, Susan Zimmerman  wrote:

> Dear Millie,
> 
> I am so sorry to hear the news about the liver.  But good news that they can 
> possibly do a transplant! As we all do, keep hanging in there.  Please know 
> prayers are going up for you for sure!!!  Habukkuk 1:5 below is just for you!
> 
> Blessings,
> Susan F. Zimmerman
> "Look among the nations and watch; be utterly astounded!  For I will work a 
> work in your days which you would not believe, though it were told you."  
> Hab. 1:5
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Marcie Goodman 
> To: cmlhope 
> Cc:  
> Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:04 pm
> Subject: Re: [CMLHope]
> 
> Hi Millie:  
> 
> How are you doing?  I wish I had better words but all I can think is crap, 
> you've been through so much that it is time for you to just be well. I'm sure 
> I speak for many on this site when I say you will be in so many devout 
> prayers.  What can we do as a group to support you?  Is there a safe way to 
> get your address?  My email is margoo...@aol.com. 
> 
> Much love and please know you are in my thoughts. 
> 
> Marcie
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:27 PM, "C.M. Houtz"  wrote:
> 
>> MartyYou and I were diagnosed in the same year.  I had my sisters tested 
>> but there wasn't a good match.  I then decided that I'd take the 5 years 
>> that they gave me rather then hunt for a matchI also was reaching the 
>> age where they wouldn't do a transplant, so it was a choice I made.  They 
>> started giving me shots of Interferon and I thought I'd die on that.  It got 
>> so bad that at times I had to have the nurse come out of the clinic to give 
>> me my shot in my car because I couldn't make it in.  In PA they wouldn't let 
>> me give the shots to myself and so for 5 days a week I got the shots.  On 
>> Monday, Tues. and Wed. I wish I were dead.  I ran high fevers and couldn't 
>> get out of bed most days with the exception of going to the clinic for my 
>> shot.  By Thurs. I was feeling better and then Friday thru Sunday were okay. 
>>  Monday it started all over again because they wouldn't give me the shots on 
>> the weekends...No one was there that could do it.  After wishing for 
>> death...and I'm not exaggerating...They put me on a medication I believe was 
>> called Hydroxeria, but that would never put me into remission.  Gleevec came 
>> a little later and I never got into remission with that either.  After that 
>> stopped working, they put me on Tasigna.  I've been on that for 6 years and 
>> it did put me into remission.  It has always been a struggle of some sort, 
>> and now the liver issue, but I'm still alive, and still here.  I did tell 
>> everyone that he is putting me on a liver transplant list...so we shall see. 
>>  I never give up...I'm just happy that I've had the time I've had.  Much 
>> longer then the 5 years they gave me in the beginning.  I can't imagine 
>> being in a small bubble for 7 mo.  I am sure that you had to fight to adjust 
>> to that.  You are such a strong person, and that probably helped you towards 
>> being one.
>>  
>> I am not giving in to this thing and will  live as long as I can as I have 
>> many  things to accomplish.
>>  
>> Many hugs and 18's,
>> Millie
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Re: [CMLHope]

2013-07-16 Thread Susan Zimmerman
Dear Millie,


I am so sorry to hear the news about the liver.  But good news that they can 
possibly do a transplant! As we all do, keep hanging in there.  Please know 
prayers are going up for you for sure!!!  Habukkuk 1:5 below is just for you!

Blessings,

Susan F. Zimmerman
"Look among the nations and watch; be utterly astounded!  For I will work a 
work in your days which you would not believe, though it were told you."  Hab. 
1:5



-Original Message-
From: Marcie Goodman 
To: cmlhope 
Cc:  
Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [CMLHope]



Hi Millie:  


How are you doing?  I wish I had better words but all I can think is crap, 
you've been through so much that it is time for you to just be well. I'm sure I 
speak for many on this site when I say you will be in so many devout prayers.  
What can we do as a group to support you?  Is there a safe way to get your 
address?  My email is margoo...@aol.com. 


Much love and please know you are in my thoughts. 


Marcie

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:27 PM, "C.M. Houtz"  wrote:



MartyYou and I were diagnosed in the same year.  I had my sisters tested 
but there wasn't a good match.  I then decided that I'd take the 5 years that 
they gave me rather then hunt for a matchI also was reaching the age where 
they wouldn't do a transplant, so it was a choice I made.  They started giving 
me shots of Interferon and I thought I'd die on that.  It got so bad that at 
times I had to have the nurse come out of the clinic to give me my shot in my 
car because I couldn't make it in.  In PA they wouldn't let me give the shots 
to myself and so for 5 days a week I got the shots.  On Monday, Tues. and Wed. 
I wish I were dead.  I ran high fevers and couldn't get out of bed most days 
with the exception of going to the clinic for my shot.  By Thurs. I was feeling 
better and then Friday thru Sunday were okay.  Monday it started all over again 
because they wouldn't give me the shots on the weekends...No one was there that 
could do it.  After wishing for death...and I'm not exaggerating...They put me 
on a medication I believe was called Hydroxeria, but that would never put me 
into remission.  Gleevec came a little later and I never got into remission 
with that either.  After that stopped working, they put me on Tasigna.  I've 
been on that for 6 years and it did put me into remission.  It has always been 
a struggle of some sort, and now the liver issue, but I'm still alive, and 
still here.  I did tell everyone that he is putting me on a liver transplant 
list...so we shall see.  I never give up...I'm just happy that I've had the 
time I've had.  Much longer then the 5 years they gave me in the beginning.  I 
can't imagine being in a small bubble for 7 mo.  I am sure that you had to 
fight to adjust to that.  You are such a strong person, and that probably 
helped you towards being one.
 
I am not giving in to this thing and will  live as long as I can as I have many 
things to accomplish.
 
Many hugs and 18's,
Millie

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Re: [CMLHope]

2013-07-16 Thread Susan Zimmerman
Dear Millie,


I am so sorry to hear the news about the liver.  But good news that they can 
possibly do a transplant! As we all do, keep hanging in there.  Please know 
prayers are going up for you for sure!!!  Habukkuk 1:5 below is just for you!

Blessings,

Susan F. Zimmerman
"Look among the nations and watch; be utterly astounded!  For I will work a 
work in your days which you would not believe, though it were told you."  Hab. 
1:5



-Original Message-
From: Marcie Goodman 
To: cmlhope 
Cc:  
Sent: Tue, Jul 16, 2013 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [CMLHope]



Hi Millie:  


How are you doing?  I wish I had better words but all I can think is crap, 
you've been through so much that it is time for you to just be well. I'm sure I 
speak for many on this site when I say you will be in so many devout prayers.  
What can we do as a group to support you?  Is there a safe way to get your 
address?  My email is margoo...@aol.com. 


Much love and please know you are in my thoughts. 


Marcie

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:27 PM, "C.M. Houtz"  wrote:



MartyYou and I were diagnosed in the same year.  I had my sisters tested 
but there wasn't a good match.  I then decided that I'd take the 5 years that 
they gave me rather then hunt for a matchI also was reaching the age where 
they wouldn't do a transplant, so it was a choice I made.  They started giving 
me shots of Interferon and I thought I'd die on that.  It got so bad that at 
times I had to have the nurse come out of the clinic to give me my shot in my 
car because I couldn't make it in.  In PA they wouldn't let me give the shots 
to myself and so for 5 days a week I got the shots.  On Monday, Tues. and Wed. 
I wish I were dead.  I ran high fevers and couldn't get out of bed most days 
with the exception of going to the clinic for my shot.  By Thurs. I was feeling 
better and then Friday thru Sunday were okay.  Monday it started all over again 
because they wouldn't give me the shots on the weekends...No one was there that 
could do it.  After wishing for death...and I'm not exaggerating...They put me 
on a medication I believe was called Hydroxeria, but that would never put me 
into remission.  Gleevec came a little later and I never got into remission 
with that either.  After that stopped working, they put me on Tasigna.  I've 
been on that for 6 years and it did put me into remission.  It has always been 
a struggle of some sort, and now the liver issue, but I'm still alive, and 
still here.  I did tell everyone that he is putting me on a liver transplant 
list...so we shall see.  I never give up...I'm just happy that I've had the 
time I've had.  Much longer then the 5 years they gave me in the beginning.  I 
can't imagine being in a small bubble for 7 mo.  I am sure that you had to 
fight to adjust to that.  You are such a strong person, and that probably 
helped you towards being one.
 
I am not giving in to this thing and will  live as long as I can as I have many 
things to accomplish.
 
Many hugs and 18's,
Millie

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Re: [CMLHope]

2013-07-16 Thread Marcie Goodman
Hi Millie:  

How are you doing?  I wish I had better words but all I can think is crap, 
you've been through so much that it is time for you to just be well. I'm sure I 
speak for many on this site when I say you will be in so many devout prayers.  
What can we do as a group to support you?  Is there a safe way to get your 
address?  My email is margoo...@aol.com. 

Much love and please know you are in my thoughts. 

Marcie

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On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:27 PM, "C.M. Houtz"  wrote:

> MartyYou and I were diagnosed in the same year.  I had my sisters tested 
> but there wasn't a good match.  I then decided that I'd take the 5 years that 
> they gave me rather then hunt for a matchI also was reaching the age 
> where they wouldn't do a transplant, so it was a choice I made.  They started 
> giving me shots of Interferon and I thought I'd die on that.  It got so bad 
> that at times I had to have the nurse come out of the clinic to give me my 
> shot in my car because I couldn't make it in.  In PA they wouldn't let me 
> give the shots to myself and so for 5 days a week I got the shots.  On 
> Monday, Tues. and Wed. I wish I were dead.  I ran high fevers and couldn't 
> get out of bed most days with the exception of going to the clinic for my 
> shot.  By Thurs. I was feeling better and then Friday thru Sunday were okay.  
> Monday it started all over again because they wouldn't give me the shots on 
> the weekends...No one was there that could do it.  After wishing for 
> death...and I'm not exaggerating...They put me on a medication I believe was 
> called Hydroxeria, but that would never put me into remission.  Gleevec came 
> a little later and I never got into remission with that either.  After that 
> stopped working, they put me on Tasigna.  I've been on that for 6 years and 
> it did put me into remission.  It has always been a struggle of some sort, 
> and now the liver issue, but I'm still alive, and still here.  I did tell 
> everyone that he is putting me on a liver transplant list...so we shall see.  
> I never give up...I'm just happy that I've had the time I've had.  Much 
> longer then the 5 years they gave me in the beginning.  I can't imagine being 
> in a small bubble for 7 mo.  I am sure that you had to fight to adjust to 
> that.  You are such a strong person, and that probably helped you towards 
> being one.
>  
> I am not giving in to this thing and will  live as long as I can as I have 
> many things to accomplish.
>  
> Many hugs and 18's,
> Millie
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Re: [CMLHope] Hi

2013-07-16 Thread Marty Gartenberg
Millie,

Sorry to hear about your liver problems. Yes they do transpalnts even if
you have CML. Just so you know the liver would probably come from a cadaver
also you can get part of a living persons liver so if you know anyone that
has the same blood type as you do and they are willing to donate to you
then you should have them tested. Unlike a bone marrow transplant which
basically doesn't require a blood type match, a solid organ does.

I am in the same position as you are but for a kidney transplant  I may
have a donor back in Florida. I will be going back there in the middle of
September and I should know more once I return.

I wish you the very best of luck

18's times 18's for you

Marty


On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:59 AM, C.M. Houtz  wrote:

> **
> *Hello to everyone.  I didn't get on here yesterday as I was sick to my
> stomach (from what I don't know), and still have it a little today, but not
> as bad.  I did see my Oncologist and he was able to get the results of my
> biopsy.  Well, it is cirrhosis of the liver and so we have to deal with
> it.  Since I've been on Tasigna for 6 years he is confused as this would
> normally happen during the first year on the drug, so we have to find out
> how to deal with it.  He's going to call the people that make the drug and
> see what they can find out.  Meanwhile, I'm off of the Tasigna until
> further notice.  He did blood work, so he'll call me with the results when
> he gets them.  He is also going to put me on the list for a liver
> transplant.  I didn't think they would consider that at my age, and with my
> other health issues, but he says that they will.  He works for Geisinger
> Hospital, which is huge in this area and they do lots of advanced things,
> so we shall see.  I went to their new cancer clinic in Pottsville, and it
> was nice and brand new, so it was a pleasant experience.  *
> **
> *Your prayers, etc. will be appreciated.  I just have to deal with what
> is.  That's what we all do, so nothing new..! *
> **
> *Talk to you soon.*
> *Many hugs,*
> *Millie*
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Re: [CMLHope]

2013-07-16 Thread C.M. Houtz
MartyYou and I were diagnosed in the same year.  I had my sisters tested 
but there wasn't a good match.  I then decided that I'd take the 5 years that 
they gave me rather then hunt for a matchI also was reaching the age where 
they wouldn't do a transplant, so it was a choice I made.  They started giving 
me shots of Interferon and I thought I'd die on that.  It got so bad that at 
times I had to have the nurse come out of the clinic to give me my shot in my 
car because I couldn't make it in.  In PA they wouldn't let me give the shots 
to myself and so for 5 days a week I got the shots.  On Monday, Tues. and Wed. 
I wish I were dead.  I ran high fevers and couldn't get out of bed most days 
with the exception of going to the clinic for my shot.  By Thurs. I was feeling 
better and then Friday thru Sunday were okay.  Monday it started all over again 
because they wouldn't give me the shots on the weekends...No one was there that 
could do it.  After wishing for death...and I'm not exaggerating...They put me 
on a medication I believe was called Hydroxeria, but that would never put me 
into remission.  Gleevec came a little later and I never got into remission 
with that either.  After that stopped working, they put me on Tasigna.  I've 
been on that for 6 years and it did put me into remission.  It has always been 
a struggle of some sort, and now the liver issue, but I'm still alive, and 
still here.  I did tell everyone that he is putting me on a liver transplant 
list...so we shall see.  I never give up...I'm just happy that I've had the 
time I've had.  Much longer then the 5 years they gave me in the beginning.  I 
can't imagine being in a small bubble for 7 mo.  I am sure that you had to 
fight to adjust to that.  You are such a strong person, and that probably 
helped you towards being one.

I am not giving in to this thing and will  live as long as I can as I have many 
things to accomplish.

Many hugs and 18's,
Millie

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Re: [CMLHope]

2013-07-16 Thread anabu84
Can you tell me if 0,07 is 2 or 3 log reduction?




Enviado desde Samsung tabletbkbar...@aol.com escribió:Thank you Pat!!! Very 
helpful! Beth


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Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 7:44 pm
Subject: RE: [CMLHope]

Hi all – The International Scale (IS) is preferred, but there are still many 
places that are not using it.
The move to the International scale is due to the need for uniformity, the 
availability of more sensitive testing and the belief that one day patients may 
not have to take these drugs for life, but will instead be able to be stop 
treatment on the basis of how deep the patient’s response is to treatment.
In the past, the ultimate patient goal was a complete molecular response, which 
was known as “PCRU.” The use of “PCRU” is going away, in favor of a new, much 
more specific MR (Molecular Response) scale. (In labs that are not using the 
IS, the equipment is only able to detect up to a 3.5 log reduction.)
0.1% BCR-ABL = MR 3 (3 log reduction from 100% - IRIS)
0.01% BCR-ABL = MR 4
0.0032% BCR-ABL = MR 4.5
0.001% BCR-ABL = MR 5

Getting to this level is the ideal, but not all patients get there.  Higher 
levels, known as MMR or Major Molecular Response, indicate low levels of 
BCR-ABL and many patients remain in that status for years.
Hope this helps, and please share with others who can benefit.
Pat
FAQ on International Scale (IS) PCR by Dr. Michael Mauro
The International Scale (IS) PCR specific Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) was 
created by Dr. Michael Mauro, a professor and leading expert in the field of 
chronic myeloid leukemia (CML). In this FAQ, Dr. Mauro explains the importance 
of International Scale (IS) for PCR, a scale for standardizing PCR testing 
across laboratories.
1. What is the IS?
2. Why is it important to standardize PCR labs?
3. What happens if my PCR is not standardized?
4. What should I ask of my doctor with regards to IS PCR?
What is the IS?
The ‘IS’ stands for ‘International Scale’. International Scale is a means for 
standardizing and validating a patient’s PCR test results. It refers to a 
reference range developed for reporting of quantitative PCR results for Bcr-Abl 
for patients with Ph+ (Bcr-Abl+) leukemias.
The International Scale (IS) was developed as a result of the landmark IRIS 
trial. In this trial, untreated blood samples of 30 patients were shared 
between three precise and experienced PCR laboratories (Seattle, London, 
Adelaide), using the same control gene (BCR) to establish a typical starting 
point (untreated level) as well as a point which represented a 1000-fold 
reduction (3-log reduction) from the starting point. The mean untreated level 
was defined as 100% and a ‘major molecular response’, or MMR, was defined at 
0.1% in these labs. MMR, a further improvement over complete cytogenetic 
response (CCyR), is an important landmark for patients.
>From this starting point, other labs using different systems could normalize 
>their results so the scale used around the world would be the same: at 
>diagnosis a CML patient’s PCR value would be in the range of 100% (+/-) and a 
>major molecular response would come in at 0.1%.
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Why is it important to standardize PCR labs?
It is important to standardize PCR labs so that physicians in different medical 
centers or offices can all ‘speak the same language’ and ‘use the same tool to 
measure’. Results can be compared between labs and centers and response 
milestones understood and confirmed. Without standardization of PCR for Bcr-Abl 
it is hard to know how to interpret changes in Bcr-Abl levels- for example, 
does the change represent loss of a treatment milestone? Is the change the 
result of variations in the instrument used to run the PCR test?
PCR monitoring of Bcr-Abl is a crucial part of monitoring response to treatment 
for Chronic Myeloid Leukemia (CML). Guidelines describing the best way to 
navigate treatment options, especially early in treatment, are based on PCR 
results reported on the International Scale. For example, the first milestone 
in updated guidelines for management of CML treatment suggest PCR testing at 
three months of treatment looking for a reduction in Bcr-Abl to less than 10% 
in the ‘IS’. Without IS standardization, deciding if milestones are met or not, 
or lost, are challenging if not impossible!
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What happens if my PCR is not standardized?
Indeed many quality medical centers and CML experts do not have access yet to 
‘IS PCR’. In the absence of results reported using this scale, treating 
physicians can inquire for key details about the way the test was run and the 
parameters of the assay to accurately quantify response and potentially 
estimate depth of response as is done with IS reporting. It is somewhat 
unreliable and challenging, however, to make such estimations and this can 
often lead to under- or over-estimation of response; thus caution is 
recommended for any extrapolation.
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[CMLHope] Hi

2013-07-16 Thread C.M. Houtz
Hello to everyone.  I didn't get on here yesterday as I was sick to my stomach 
(from what I don't know), and still have it a little today, but not as bad.  I 
did see my Oncologist and he was able to get the results of my biopsy.  Well, 
it is cirrhosis of the liver and so we have to deal with it.  Since I've been 
on Tasigna for 6 years he is confused as this would normally happen during the 
first year on the drug, so we have to find out how to deal with it.  He's going 
to call the people that make the drug and see what they can find out.  
Meanwhile, I'm off of the Tasigna until further notice.  He did blood work, so 
he'll call me with the results when he gets them.  He is also going to put me 
on the list for a liver transplant.  I didn't think they would consider that at 
my age, and with my other health issues, but he says that they will.  He works 
for Geisinger Hospital, which is huge in this area and they do lots of advanced 
things, so we shall see.  I went to their new cancer clinic in Pottsville, and 
it was nice and brand new, so it was a pleasant experience.  

Your prayers, etc. will be appreciated.  I just have to deal with what is.  
That's what we all do, so nothing new..! 

Talk to you soon.
Many hugs,
Millie

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