Re: Stus-List 2013 CC Rendezvous Dockage
I'd love to come, but my boat is about 1500 miles from there. Love Block Island though... Cheers Colin. On 7/21/13, Robert Gallagher trys...@gmail.com wrote: Colin, Docking is certainly not mandatory. Some of us may anchor, pick up town moorings or dock. I'm coming in a couple of days early and will probably only spend Friday/Saturday night at the dock. There is a bit of a party in the bbq area by The Oar on Friday night and it's fun to walk the dock and look at all those beautiful CC designs all lined up. Personally, I have my own mooring in Noank and only spend the night at a dock a couple of times a year. I much prefer a mooring...unless there is a party and my boat is invited. Hope to see you in September! Rob Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 21:33:21 -0400 From: Colin Kilgour charliekilo...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 2013 CC Rendezvous Dockage Message-ID: cakr-nknzs+abju3gsdbl0qahqnchf02lbshnejaewrhypbt...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's @ Block Island right? Why wouldn't you anchor? There's tons of room and it's a totally sheltered anchorage. Cheers Colin -- Sent from my mobile device ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 MK1 prop location
Ron, As Gary said. Anchovy is hull 1 built in 1971. Centerline 7/8 shaft hanging of of an Atomic 4. Question for you. If your prop and shaft are offset, is your engine mounted crooked or just off center? Rick Bushie Anchovy ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for CC 27 Mk III
Another strong vote for Garhauer. From: Peter Fell prf...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:43:52 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for CC 27 Mk III Well, at this junction, the vang attachment will be a ‘cheap and cheerful’ solution ... considering my boat is sitting at the dock with the engine pulled for a rebuild. I did just splurge for new Harken blocks for the vang and the backstay tensioner (the PO had one block configured back there with the line tied off on the stern rail!). But I’m trying not to look at mainsail traveller and think how it would be much easier to replace it right now while the engine is out. From: Dennis C. Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 1:54 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for CC 27 Mk III Actually, my suggestion was to get only the bracket and clip the rope vang to it.Yeah, a Garhauer rigid vang would be the absolute bomb!As for the pad eye, look at an investment cast one like a Schaefer 78-98. Locate it as far down the mast as possible. Drill and tap into the back Forward flat part) of the sail track. Install with flat head machine screws. Attach the rope vang and go sailing.I have a similar install on Touche' for an outhaul turning block and have done same on other boats.Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA From: Gary Nylander gnylan...@atlanticbb.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for CC 27 Mk III I second Dennis' suggestion to get a Garhauer rigid vang. I did - and Guido at Garhauer had me send the profile of the mast and boom and they made pads to fit both. Six or eight screws for each. I drilled and tapped the mast and boom and screwed the pads in - done! We have a boomkicker on the J-80 I race on and I am not thrilled. It does the job but seems to be more difficult to modulate how much tension you have. Just my opinion. Gary 30-1 - Original Message - From: randy To: 'Peter Fell' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:56 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for CC 27 Mk III Personally, I wouldn’t suggest that. At least not if I’m picturing your picture correct. Unless you unstep the mast, and take everything apart, wouldn’t you have to go all the way thru the cabin? Most of us on the list like to over drill holes in the core, and fill w/ epoxy, then drill for the mounting. If you just punch holes thru, I’d be concerned about eventual water intrusion thru the hole, which is undoubtedly solid something under the mast, but working its way to the core elsewhere. Just my two cents. Bails on masts are used for vangs all the time, especially on the smaller (no offense, me too! ;-) ) boats. But do also consider the addition of a rigid vang. I love my boom kicker, fits in the mast track slot, and no topping lift! Just my two cents. There’s lots of opinions here, you get to choose! randy Tamanawas 29-II Hood River, OR From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Peter Fell Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:12 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for CC 27 Mk III Lots of good ideas here. Thanks guys. What about through-bolting an eye pad on the mast step bracket itself? I’d have to check the available space in there. From:sam.c.sal...@gmail.com Sent:Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:01 AM To:CnC Subject:Stus-List Fw: Boom Vang for CC 27 Mk III +1 I've had a Garhauer rigid boom vang for about 10 years. Good price for a good chunk of stainless and a worthwhile upgrade. Also gets rid of the topping lift! sam :-) CC 26 Liquorice Ghost Lake Alberta From: Dennis C. Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 9:09 AM To: Peter Fell; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Boom Vang for CC 27 Mk III Peter, A very good option would be install a hinged vang bracket near the bottom of your mast. Garhauer makes these for their rigid boom vangs and will custom make one to fit your mast. Their pricing is fairly reasonable. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From:Peter Fell prf...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: Stus-List Boom Vang for CC 27 Mk III My CC 27 has a mast-step that looks like this: http://imageshack.us/a/img191/407/ubt7.jpg The previous owner had attached the 4:1 purchase boom vang to the 45 degree side plate which has resulted in bending the side plate! It was recommended to me to use a boom/mast bail bolted across the vertical portion of the mast-step bracket at the aft-most set of holes, with a bolt and filler ‘tube’ to avoid compressing the mast step bracket. Or to replace the aft mast-retention pin with the same set-up. Dimensions of the mast step (‘vertical’
Stus-List Arpeggio Web Site
This spring I have assembled a Web Site on Arpeggio, a 1984 CC 32 that covers many aspects of the boat and upgrades and cruises that I have made since it's purchase in 2005. I did this instead of commissioning Arpeggio and sailing this season due to a shoulder operation and necessary recovery which is going very well. Web site follows: (nothing fancy) http://arpeggio1984.info Thanks to Tom Anderson for pictures and suggestion for Garhauer solid vang and Harken traveler upgrades, which were major improvements. Contacts can be made on or off the list. See contact section. John Russo Arpeggio 1984 CC 32 Norwalk, CT ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 MK1 prop location
crooked, meaning at a small angle to the centerline. Nate On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:46 AM, rick bushie rickbushie...@gmail.comwrote: Ron, As Gary said. Anchovy is hull 1 built in 1971. Centerline 7/8 shaft hanging of of an Atomic 4. Question for you. If your prop and shaft are offset, is your engine mounted crooked or just off center? Rick Bushie Anchovy ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 MK1 prop location
The engine, unless it has a CV or universal joint in the driveline, has to be closely aligned with the shaft. RK On 2013-07-21, at 13:05, Nate Flesness nateflesn...@gmail.com wrote: crooked, meaning at a small angle to the centerline. Nate On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:46 AM, rick bushie rickbushie...@gmail.com wrote: Ron, As Gary said. Anchovy is hull 1 built in 1971. Centerline 7/8 shaft hanging of of an Atomic 4. Question for you. If your prop and shaft are offset, is your engine mounted crooked or just off center? Rick Bushie Anchovy ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 04:05 PM 20/07/2013, you wrote: Group: I am considering replacing my 7/16 low stretch (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is no stretch . We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry . We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. The big problem is the sticker shock for Dyneema or similar material .. two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on reasonable priced high tech line? Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC .77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 MK1 prop location
Interesting question. I haven't really looked real close, but it appears from the companionway to be centered. It's a Universal 3 lunger, but started with an A4. It must be slightly crooked then to match up with the shaft. Ron Wild Cheri STL From: rick bushie rickbushie...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 30 MK1 prop location Ron, As Gary said. Anchovy is hull 1 built in 1971. Centerline 7/8 shaft hanging of of an Atomic 4. Question for you. If your prop and shaft are offset, is your engine mounted crooked or just off center? Rick Bushie Anchovy ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 MK1 prop location
My CC 30MK 1 built in 1981 Hull 675 has a 2gm Yanmay 13 HP 34oo rpms with a 7/8 shaft. It is off set from the rudder so the shaft csn be pulled without pulling the rudder. The Engine is offset in the engine mount... Please see photo.. http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s31/LTGoshen/March%202012%20Haul%20Out/IMG_0419_zps0aa2a92e.jpg On 7/21/13, rick bushie rickbushie...@gmail.com wrote: Ron, As Gary said. Anchovy is hull 1 built in 1971. Centerline 7/8 shaft hanging of of an Atomic 4. Question for you. If your prop and shaft are offset, is your engine mounted crooked or just off center? Rick Bushie Anchovy -- “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List CC 30 MK1 prop location
Crooked. Gary - Original Message - From: Nate Flesness To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 30 MK1 prop location crooked, meaning at a small angle to the centerline. Nate On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:46 AM, rick bushie rickbushie...@gmail.com wrote: Ron, As Gary said. Anchovy is hull 1 built in 1971. Centerline 7/8 shaft hanging of of an Atomic 4. Question for you. If your prop and shaft are offset, is your engine mounted crooked or just off center? Rick Bushie Anchovy ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
I've noticed lately some of the newer lines, possibly T-900, etc. may be more prone to slippage in clutches and self tailers when new. After some use, they begin to hold a bit better. One might consider throwing new lines in a commercial washing machine to give them some experience. Might want to ask your local rigger or cordage vendor about this issue. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 04:05 PM 20/07/2013, you wrote: Group: I am considering replacing my 7/16” “low stretch” (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is “no stretch”…. We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry…. We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. The big problem is the “sticker shock” for Dyneema or similar material…….. two halyards using Dyneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on “reasonable priced” high tech line? Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ….’77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
I just replaced the halyards on Delaney (another 38 MkII) using New England Ropes VPC 7/16. I really like that it has a polyester cover, nice hand and very durable but you still get most of the benefits of the new high tech ropes. Much easier on the wallet too!!! James Delaney CC 38 MkII Oriental, NC - Original Message - From: Bob Moriarty To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:25 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII I'm curious what the non-wire rope is and whether there were any difficulties splicing wire with a newer-type rope. Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Russ Melody russ...@telus.net wrote: Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII - now VPC sheets
I just bought NER 3/8 VPC for jibsheets. Put eyes on each end and am going to try APS ltd's version of soft shackles. Tired of the bowlines in the 7/16 StaSet hanging up on the forward lower shrouds. We'll see how this works. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: jtsails jtsai...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII I just replaced the halyards on Delaney (another 38 MkII) using New England Ropes VPC 7/16. I really like that it has a polyester cover, nice hand and very durable but you still get most of the benefits of the new high tech ropes. Much easier on the wallet too!!! James Delaney CC 38 MkII O ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
Hi Dennis, Spectra core with polyester cover. After the first failure, Serge (the rigger) put extra bulk in the core where the hoisted halyard lands in the clutches. That helped for all but one clutch, the starboard jib. After numerous failings over 3 years they got changed back to ol' reliable wire-rope halyards. I repaired these halyard covers between enough races that I was not unhappy to see them go. We use the core now as light air spin sheets... expensive but what a great use for them. No worries about overloading 'em. :) Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 03:12 PM 21/07/2013, you wrote: I've noticed lately some of the newer lines, possibly T-900, etc. may be more prone to slippage in clutches and self tailers when new. After some use, they begin to hold a bit better. One might consider throwing new lines in a commercial washing machine to give them some experience. Might want to ask your local rigger or cordage vendor about this issue. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.net To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 At 04:05 PM 20/07/2013, you wrote: Group: I am considering replacing my 7/16â âlow stretchâ (NER) halyards for both main and Jib with something that is âno stretchâ . We racr We raced last Wednesday in 22-25kts and both the Main and Jib stretched so as to make the jib trim really edgy. The Cunningham made up the difference in the main, but we finally broke the jib shackle and had to route a spare in a hurry . r We recovered OK, but I think better halyards are in order. The big problem is the âsticker shockâ for Dyneema or similar material .. two halyards using Dyneeneema SK90 estimated cost is near $1000. Has anyone faced this issue and how did you resolve it. Anyone have any suggestions on âreasonable pricedâ high tech line? Thanks, Ron C. Impromptu CC 38MKIIC ¦.â77 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/http://www.cncphotoalbum.com mailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.comCnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List New Halyards for 38MKII
Hi Bob, The new wire/rope halyards are Yacht braid for the rope part, a balanced polyester construction, not anything new. There is no stretch issue with Yacht braid for the 5 feet or so of rope between the end of wire and the clutch. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 05:25 PM 21/07/2013, you wrote: I'm curious what the non-wire rope is and whether there were any difficulties splicing wire with a newer-type rope. Bob M Ox 33-1 Jax, FL On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Russ Melody mailto:russ...@telus.netruss...@telus.net wrote: Hi Ron, Gracie, a IOR vintage custom 45, has gone back to wire rope for jib halyards after too many cover failures from slipping in the Spinlock clutches. So if you go the high strength fibre route you might need to factor in the cost of better clutches, such as Lewmar. Cheers, Russ Sweet, 35 mk-1 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
