Re: Stus-List storing handheld gps ..radios etc.

[Jim Watts]

That sounds like the last call at the Manhattan Ballroom, 15 miles out of
Saskatoon. That's where I saw Burton Cummings and the Guess Who in their
early days.
All those people, hurling in the bushes, cars in the ditch all the way back
to the highway. Man, I miss that. : )

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 17 January 2014 18:40, Rich Knowles  wrote:

> Gives new meaning to "One for the ditch!"
>
> Rich
>
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 22:11, Jim Watts  wrote:
>
> Small ditch bag. We barely have room for the potato chips and nachos even
> without the electronics.
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
>
> On 17 January 2014 17:49, Josh Muckley  wrote:
>
>> I ran into a couple that would store their whole ditch bag in the oven.
>> VHF radio, gps...the whole works.  Said it was a great out of the way place
>> to store stuff and they could get it in a hurry.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> On Jan 17, 2014 1:38 PM, "Don Newman"  wrote:
>>
>>> This should significantly improve the odds of survival of electronics
>>> stored in the oven.
>>> But it isn't impossible that a GPS sitting loose on the chart table
>>> would survive while one on the oven is fried by rf generated from current
>>> induced in the body of the oven.
>>>
>>> We experienced every combination you could imagine in computers over the
>>> years.
>>>
>>> One good war story was the computer on the second story of a building
>>> near the Welland canal the crashed occasionally from radar of a passing
>>> ship. Took a long time to spot that one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don Newman
>>> C&C 44
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2014, at 19:58, Jim Watts  wrote:
>>>
>>> The concept, IIRC, is that the metal oven acts as a Faraday cage when
>>> it's closed and there is no entry point for a sideflash. I'm sure someone
>>> will correct me here.
>>>
>>> Jim Watts
>>> Paradigm Shift
>>> C&C 35 Mk III
>>> Victoria, BC
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 January 2014 16:42, Jimmy Kelly  wrote:
>>>
 have not heard of oven storage before..would like to hear more...i was
 hit by lightning   a number years a go  ...only electrics not totally fried
 was  spare  b&g  rdf...was not trailing ground  from shrouds  as was   & is
 still  a habit  thanks.

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Re: Stus-List Connecting the SPX-5 to ST50 instruments

[Michael Brown]

Nothing complicated, more of a heads up. Basically the Raymarine documentation
appears to indicate pretty clearly that the SPX-5 can be connected directly to 
ST60
instruments using the Seatalk ( 1 ) cabling and protocol. A comment on the page
states:

SeaTalk cable, carries:
- 12V power from Course computer
- Data to and from Course computer

The document is the "SmartPilot X5 Installation and Setup 87076-3 EN'
found at http://www.raymarine.com/manualsearch, reference page 3.

Although the SPX-5 does have a port marked SeaTalk, and can be wired to the
ST60 ( ST50 ) instruments it does not function as a SeaTalk / SeaTalk NG bridge.

The following link contains the response from Raymarine:

http://raymarine.ning.com/forum/topics/connecting-spx-5-p70-wheel-pilot-with-st50-instruments-seatalk-to

A separate Raymarine product, SeaTalk1 to SeaTalkNg converter kit, Raymarine 
Part Number# E22158,
is required and it does not wire in as documented in the SPX-5 manual. The post 
does cover the installation.

A further issue came up as I wanted to power up the Aurohelm and instruments 
separately. There are
times, such as course racing, were I have no need to use the Autohelm. I noted 
the following cautions:

1) Note: It is important to disconnect the +12Vdc power feeding  the existing 
SeaTalk1 bus, thus allowing the
+12Vdc power to  the Seatalk1 to SeatalkNG converter (or SeaTalkNg bus) to 
power the  existing SeaTalk1 
instruments and not back feeding the power into the  converter (SeaTalkNg bus) 
via SeaTalk1.

2) The X-5 and the SeaTalkNg bus need to be directly powered +12Vdc as the X-5 
doesn’t supply power to the SeaTalkNg bus.

As a work around, the Autohelm and SeaTalk NG bus are powered from one switch, 
the power lead from the
SeaTalkNG converter to the SeaTalk network is _not_ connected, and the SeaTalk 
network is powered separately.


The diagram shows a GPS being connected directly to the course computer as NEMA 
or SeaTalk. I tried a SeaTalk GPS
and it did not work. Also I noted that the SPX-5 is advertised as "bridging 
NEMA and SeaTalk", though if the unit does
not talk directly with SeaTalk I wonder what it is doing.

The take away from this is I spent three days installing the SPX-5, which is 
working perfectly, instead of one day due to
information misunderstood or misinterpreted from the manual. I think it is well 
summed up by the Raymarine tech:

The documentation can be confusing and in some cases is outdated.

The main confusion I have is why nearly a year later has the manual not been 
updated?

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1

PS: Very happy to answer questions or post more details.



 


Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:16:48 -0800 
From: Russ & Melody  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk 
Message-ID: 
      
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" 
 
Hi Michael, 
 
Please post the Seatalk talk info. 
 
I don't need it right now but I save these kinds of posts for when I  
do need it. 
 
         Cheers, Russ 
         Sweet 35 mk-1 
 
At 04:55 PM 16/01/2014, you wrote: 
>Short answer is yes. 
>. 
> 
>Michael Brown 
>Windburn 
>C&C 30-1 
> 
>PS: I can post more information about the installation and getting the 
>Seatalk NG working with ST50 instruments on Seatalk 1 if anyone is 
>interested. 
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Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

[Russ & Melody]

Wow.
And here I thought it was one of my original ideas. I've been doing 
this since 1979 (on various boats) in order to eliminate a 
through-hull opening. The minimized stink was an unintended benefit.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 11:12 AM 17/01/2014, you wrote:
This works really well on Cat's Paw.  I learned about it on this 
list a year or so ago and I implemented it last winter.  Someone 
said the idea originated with the lady who has published extensively 
about marine toilets (name eludes me) - Danny - you talked to her by 
telephone a few months ago - right?


Flushing the bowl with fresh water at the end of the day has made a 
big difference in smell.  It also has made winterizing the toilet 
and holding tank easier - just fill the basin with antifreeze and 
pump it into the toilet and then into the previously emptied holding tank.


I would not have gone so far as "sweet" though!

Eric
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II

> From: Russ & Melody 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds
> Another idea:
> My toilet intake passes under the heads basin. So I teed the basin
> drain into the toilet raw water supply. It works like a charm, basin
> drains out the intake trough-hull and when the toilet gets used there
> is good agitation to clear the basin drain.
> As an added bonus, being a salt water high organics boat area, before
> I leave the boat for any length of time I close toilet supply
> through-hull, half fill the basin with fresh water and pump through
> the toilet. When I get back and use the boat there is no sulphur
> smell in initial uses of toilet, sweet :)


Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA


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Re: Stus-List Lightning strikes/storing handheld gps ..radios etc.

[Brent Driedger]

With the talk of GPS etc storage in ovens, it got me thinking about lightning 
strikes in general. My 27 Mk5 has some fat welding cables bonding the shroud 
chain plates on each side to the largest of my keel bolts. I hope this is 
adequate protection but of course all lightning protection is purely 
theoretical. None the less lightning strikes is the only part of sailing that 
actually scares me a lot. It's an element that is just so completely out of my 
control. 
I'd like to hear from those who have suffered a lightning strike. What was the 
damage, were you on the boat, did side flashing jump the protection, what were 
the exit areas etc. 
I keep earplugs aboard for when I can't avoid the storm.  I figure if I'm going 
to be struck, I don't need my eardrums imploding too. 

Brent Driedger
27-5 s/v Wild Rover
Lake Winnipeg 

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> On Jan 16, 2014, at 6:42 PM, Jimmy Kelly  wrote:
> 
> have not heard of oven storage before..would like to hear more...i was hit by 
> lightning   a number years a go  ...only electrics not totally fried was  
> spare  b&g  rdf...was not trailing ground  from shrouds  as was   & is still  
> a habit  thanks.
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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Chuck S]

BTW, you may want to place a slice of bread in your faraday cage/oven with your 
VHF. That way you can prove to the insurance company, it got struck by 
lightning when you show them the toast? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS 





What about watches, Ben? I always used to keep a casio digital watch in my 
sextant box. But it occurs to me that it might be toast, too, in the event of a 
lightning strike. 

Andy 
C&C 40 
Peregrine 




On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Ben < sutton...@gmail.com > wrote: 


One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get hit 
by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried even if 
it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old fashion alternatives 
including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to save a hand held GPS would 
be to put it in a screened cage, known as a Faraday cage, to protect it from 
the electric field which results from a lightning strike. 
Incidentally, this info is courtesy of Andy & Liza Copeland cruisers and 
authors. 
Ben Sutton 
BC 

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Re: Stus-List storing handheld gps ..radios etc.

[Rich Knowles]

Gives new meaning to "One for the ditch!"

Rich

> On Jan 17, 2014, at 22:11, Jim Watts  wrote:
> 
> Small ditch bag. We barely have room for the potato chips and nachos even 
> without the electronics. 
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
> 
> 
>> On 17 January 2014 17:49, Josh Muckley  wrote:
>> I ran into a couple that would store their whole ditch bag in the oven.  VHF 
>> radio, gps...the whole works.  Said it was a great out of the way place to 
>> store stuff and they could get it in a hurry.
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2014 1:38 PM, "Don Newman"  wrote:
>>> This should significantly improve the odds of survival of electronics 
>>> stored in the oven. 
>>> But it isn't impossible that a GPS sitting loose on the chart table would 
>>> survive while one on the oven is fried by rf generated from current induced 
>>> in the body of the oven. 
>>> 
>>> We experienced every combination you could imagine in computers over the 
>>> years. 
>>> 
>>> One good war story was the computer on the second story of a building near 
>>> the Welland canal the crashed occasionally from radar of a passing ship. 
>>> Took a long time to spot that one. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don Newman
>>> C&C 44
>>> 
 On Jan 16, 2014, at 19:58, Jim Watts  wrote:
 
 The concept, IIRC, is that the metal oven acts as a Faraday cage when it's 
 closed and there is no entry point for a sideflash. I'm sure someone will 
 correct me here. 
 
 Jim Watts
 Paradigm Shift
 C&C 35 Mk III
 Victoria, BC
 
 
> On 16 January 2014 16:42, Jimmy Kelly  wrote:
> have not heard of oven storage before..would like to hear more...i was 
> hit by lightning   a number years a go  ...only electrics not totally 
> fried was  spare  b&g  rdf...was not trailing ground  from shrouds  as 
> was   & is still  a habit  thanks.
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Re: Stus-List storing handheld gps ..radios etc.

[Josh Muckley]

Sounds like the foundation of an compelling argument for a larger
boat..."that way we can get a larger oven...so we can store a larger ditch
bag."  ;-)
On Jan 17, 2014 9:11 PM, "Jim Watts"  wrote:

> Small ditch bag. We barely have room for the potato chips and nachos even
> without the electronics.
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
>
> On 17 January 2014 17:49, Josh Muckley  wrote:
>
>> I ran into a couple that would store their whole ditch bag in the oven.
>> VHF radio, gps...the whole works.  Said it was a great out of the way place
>> to store stuff and they could get it in a hurry.
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> On Jan 17, 2014 1:38 PM, "Don Newman"  wrote:
>>
>>> This should significantly improve the odds of survival of electronics
>>> stored in the oven.
>>> But it isn't impossible that a GPS sitting loose on the chart table
>>> would survive while one on the oven is fried by rf generated from current
>>> induced in the body of the oven.
>>>
>>> We experienced every combination you could imagine in computers over the
>>> years.
>>>
>>> One good war story was the computer on the second story of a building
>>> near the Welland canal the crashed occasionally from radar of a passing
>>> ship. Took a long time to spot that one.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don Newman
>>> C&C 44
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2014, at 19:58, Jim Watts  wrote:
>>>
>>> The concept, IIRC, is that the metal oven acts as a Faraday cage when
>>> it's closed and there is no entry point for a sideflash. I'm sure someone
>>> will correct me here.
>>>
>>> Jim Watts
>>> Paradigm Shift
>>> C&C 35 Mk III
>>> Victoria, BC
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 January 2014 16:42, Jimmy Kelly  wrote:
>>>
 have not heard of oven storage before..would like to hear more...i was
 hit by lightning   a number years a go  ...only electrics not totally fried
 was  spare  b&g  rdf...was not trailing ground  from shrouds  as was   & is
 still  a habit  thanks.

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Re: Stus-List storing handheld gps ..radios etc.

[Jim Watts]

Small ditch bag. We barely have room for the potato chips and nachos even
without the electronics.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 17 January 2014 17:49, Josh Muckley  wrote:

> I ran into a couple that would store their whole ditch bag in the oven.
> VHF radio, gps...the whole works.  Said it was a great out of the way place
> to store stuff and they could get it in a hurry.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> On Jan 17, 2014 1:38 PM, "Don Newman"  wrote:
>
>> This should significantly improve the odds of survival of electronics
>> stored in the oven.
>> But it isn't impossible that a GPS sitting loose on the chart table would
>> survive while one on the oven is fried by rf generated from current induced
>> in the body of the oven.
>>
>> We experienced every combination you could imagine in computers over the
>> years.
>>
>> One good war story was the computer on the second story of a building
>> near the Welland canal the crashed occasionally from radar of a passing
>> ship. Took a long time to spot that one.
>>
>>
>> Don Newman
>> C&C 44
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2014, at 19:58, Jim Watts  wrote:
>>
>> The concept, IIRC, is that the metal oven acts as a Faraday cage when
>> it's closed and there is no entry point for a sideflash. I'm sure someone
>> will correct me here.
>>
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C&C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>>
>>
>> On 16 January 2014 16:42, Jimmy Kelly  wrote:
>>
>>> have not heard of oven storage before..would like to hear more...i was
>>> hit by lightning   a number years a go  ...only electrics not totally fried
>>> was  spare  b&g  rdf...was not trailing ground  from shrouds  as was   & is
>>> still  a habit  thanks.
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Re: Stus-List storing handheld gps ..radios etc.

[Josh Muckley]

I ran into a couple that would store their whole ditch bag in the oven.
VHF radio, gps...the whole works.  Said it was a great out of the way place
to store stuff and they could get it in a hurry.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
On Jan 17, 2014 1:38 PM, "Don Newman"  wrote:

> This should significantly improve the odds of survival of electronics
> stored in the oven.
> But it isn't impossible that a GPS sitting loose on the chart table would
> survive while one on the oven is fried by rf generated from current induced
> in the body of the oven.
>
> We experienced every combination you could imagine in computers over the
> years.
>
> One good war story was the computer on the second story of a building near
> the Welland canal the crashed occasionally from radar of a passing ship.
> Took a long time to spot that one.
>
>
> Don Newman
> C&C 44
>
> On Jan 16, 2014, at 19:58, Jim Watts  wrote:
>
> The concept, IIRC, is that the metal oven acts as a Faraday cage when it's
> closed and there is no entry point for a sideflash. I'm sure someone will
> correct me here.
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
>
> On 16 January 2014 16:42, Jimmy Kelly  wrote:
>
>> have not heard of oven storage before..would like to hear more...i was
>> hit by lightning   a number years a go  ...only electrics not totally fried
>> was  spare  b&g  rdf...was not trailing ground  from shrouds  as was   & is
>> still  a habit  thanks.
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Re: Stus-List Chartplotter Question

[Frederick G Street]

Graham -- yes, I do.  $1025 for the a75 WiFi with Navionics Gold charts. I 
should double-check to make sure there's no difference in price for the 
Canadian charts .

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On Jan 17, 2014, at 5:44 PM, Graham Collins  
> wrote:
> 
> I tried the A75 wifi version at the boat show - I had downloaded the 
> RayControl app on my tablet ahead of time.  I walked up, reset the wi-fi, and 
> was connected to it before the rep could get over to see what I was doing.  
> Works a treat, easy to set up, and on my shopping list.  Fred - do you ship 
> to Canada???  If so I'm looking for some Ray goods...  
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
> On 2014-01-17 12:35 PM, Frederick G Street wrote:
>> Steve — you might consider one of the new Raymarine “a” series displays; 
>> cheaper than the e7, and they play well together on the Seatalk HS/Raynet 
>> network.  Even the smallest a65 has the network connection, and can share 
>> all the data and control the system.  Advantages over the iPad solution are 
>> permanently-connected power   and much better waterproof-ability than 
>> the iPad.
>> 
>> Let me know if you’d like pricing.
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Steve,
>>> 
>>> My E7 is at the helm.  The problem is that you can only see it when you are 
>>> behind the wheel.  I have not tried the Ray app on the IPad, but for the 
>>> Bermuda race I intend to use a RamMount and a waterproof case so I can 
>>> mirror the E7 and swivel the IPad from side to side.  I 
>>> installed a power outlet in the NavPod to keep the Ipad charged.  I also 
>>> have both the Garmin and Navionics apps on the IPad as a backup.
>>> 
>>> The new OS for the E7 should be out by spring. 
>>> 
>>> Joel
>>> 35/3
>>> Annapolis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:38 AM, OldSteveH  wrote:
 Two years ago I  replaced my old Magellan GPS (it was a dinosaur) with a
 Raymarine E7 chartplotter.
 I wanted it at the helm, but for expediency initially set it up at the 
 chart
 table, same place as the old one.
 The plan being eventually to move it to the helm in a navpod.
 
 However over past 2 summers its actually worked well at the chart table.
 Its integrated (Seatalk NG) with my other electronics so when racing I will
 pop down below and set the waypoints for the helmslady and she can see the
 new course, SOG, COG, DTW, etc. on an ST60 multidisplay at the helm.
 All in all not bad but I would still like to have the chart plotter at the
 helm. Or at least some kind of chartplotter functionality.
 
 What does the group think of these options:
 - is there a repeater screen of some kind which can be put at the helm?
 - how well do ipads work with the E7 - are they truly functional or is the
 Raymarine app just a toy?
 - and the reverse - chartplotter at the helm and ipad at the chart table.
 Better for sun and rain considerations.
 
 Am headed to the Toronto boat show this weekend to explore options.
 Aren't boat shows great (though for whom - the sellers or the buyers -  I'm
 not sure, maybe both)
 
 Cheers
 
 
 Steve Hood
 S/V Diamond Girl
 C&C 34
 Lions Head ON
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Chartplotter Question

[Graham Collins]

I tried the A75 wifi version at the boat show - I had downloaded the 
RayControl app on my tablet ahead of time.  I walked up, reset the 
wi-fi, and was connected to it before the rep could get over to see what 
I was doing.  Works a treat, easy to set up, and on my shopping list.  
Fred - do you ship to Canada???  If so I'm looking for some Ray goods...


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11

On 2014-01-17 12:35 PM, Frederick G Street wrote:
Steve --- you might consider one of the new Raymarine "a" series 
displays; cheaper than the e7, and they play well together on the 
Seatalk HS/Raynet network.  Even the smallest a65 has the network 
connection, and can share all the data and control the system. 
 Advantages over the iPad solution are permanently-connected power and 
much better waterproof-ability than the iPad.


Let me know if you'd like pricing.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 17, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Joel Aronson > wrote:



Steve,

My E7 is at the helm.  The problem is that you can only see it when 
you are behind the wheel.  I have not tried the Ray app on the IPad, 
but for the Bermuda race I intend to use a RamMount and a waterproof 
case so I can mirror the E7 and swivel the IPad from side to side.  I 
installed a power outlet in the NavPod to keep the Ipad charged.  I 
also have both the Garmin and Navionics apps on the IPad as a backup.


The new OS for the E7 should be out by spring.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:38 AM, OldSteveH > wrote:


Two years ago I  replaced my old Magellan GPS (it was a dinosaur)
with a
Raymarine E7 chartplotter.
I wanted it at the helm, but for expediency initially set it up
at the chart
table, same place as the old one.
The plan being eventually to move it to the helm in a navpod.

However over past 2 summers its actually worked well at the chart
table.
Its integrated (Seatalk NG) with my other electronics so when
racing I will
pop down below and set the waypoints for the helmslady and she
can see the
new course, SOG, COG, DTW, etc. on an ST60 multidisplay at the helm.
All in all not bad but I would still like to have the chart
plotter at the
helm. Or at least some kind of chartplotter functionality.

What does the group think of these options:
- is there a repeater screen of some kind which can be put at the
helm?
- how well do ipads work with the E7 - are they truly functional
or is the
Raymarine app just a toy?
- and the reverse - chartplotter at the helm and ipad at the
chart table.
Better for sun and rain considerations.

Am headed to the Toronto boat show this weekend to explore options.
Aren't boat shows great (though for whom - the sellers or the
buyers -  I'm
not sure, maybe both)

Cheers


Steve Hood
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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Jack Brennan]

I had a near-hit a while back that appeared to send a charge through the prop 
and shaft. Everything is grounded to the diesel and nothing else on the boat.

Fried an old battery monitor and the 110-volt battery charger; Everything else 
was fine. 

I was anchoring the boat at the time as the storm hit. Felt nothing, but jumped 
a foot or so when the bolt struck very close to us. 

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.

From: Bill Bina 
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

I was once standing in a doorway less than 50 feet from a huge oak tree that 
got struck as I watched. The power involved is unimaginable. The idea that you 
can do anything at all to steer, or deter such a large force is wishful 
thinking at best. No amount of #2 gauge ground wires is going to mean anything 
whatsoever. In a direct hit, your "faraday cage" oven will be a glowing puddle.

Bill Bina

On 1/17/2014 3:36 PM, Gary Nylander wrote:

  The big mystery about lightning is just that - you never know what it is 
going to do. I've had a half dozen friends whose boats have been struck. On my 
buddy's Thunderbird (plastic one), he couldn't understand why the boat was 
taking on water. Nothing was bothered except the depth sounder, which was 
located on the centerline in front of the keel - and it was just loosened in 
its thru-hull, not any more. He motored down his 'creek' and across the river 
to the boat yard - and called them to have the travel lift ready - motored into 
it, they hauled and the sounder literally fell out!

  Another had everything boiled on a Morgan 38, including a hole in the hull - 
fortunately he was in a slip in water that was only a foot deeper than his 
keel.He had one of those whisk broom thingies on the mast - no help.

  And it goes on.

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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Bill Bina]

I was once standing in a doorway less than 50 feet from a huge oak tree 
that got struck as I watched. The power involved is unimaginable. The 
idea that you can do anything at all to steer, or deter such a large 
force is wishful thinking at best. No amount of #2 gauge ground wires is 
going to mean anything whatsoever. In a direct hit, your "faraday cage" 
oven will be a glowing puddle.


Bill Bina

On 1/17/2014 3:36 PM, Gary Nylander wrote:
The big mystery about lightning is just that - you never know what it 
is going to do. I've had a half dozen friends whose boats have been 
struck. On my buddy's Thunderbird (plastic one), he couldn't 
understand why the boat was taking on water. Nothing was bothered 
except the depth sounder, which was located on the centerline in front 
of the keel - and it was just loosened in its thru-hull, not any more. 
He motored down his 'creek' and across the river to the boat yard - 
and called them to have the travel lift ready - motored into it, they 
hauled and the sounder literally fell out!
Another had everything boiled on a Morgan 38, including a hole in the 
hull - fortunately he was in a slip in water that was only a foot 
deeper than his keel.He had one of those whisk broom thingies on 
the mast - no help.

And it goes on.
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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Gary Nylander]

The big mystery about lightning is just that - you never know what it is going 
to do. I've had a half dozen friends whose boats have been struck. On my 
buddy's Thunderbird (plastic one), he couldn't understand why the boat was 
taking on water. Nothing was bothered except the depth sounder, which was 
located on the centerline in front of the keel - and it was just loosened in 
its thru-hull, not any more. He motored down his 'creek' and across the river 
to the boat yard - and called them to have the travel lift ready - motored into 
it, they hauled and the sounder literally fell out!

Another had everything boiled on a Morgan 38, including a hole in the hull - 
fortunately he was in a slip in water that was only a foot deeper than his 
keel.He had one of those whisk broom thingies on the mast - no help.

And it goes on.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marek Dziedzic 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS


  I don’t want to get into a scientific discussion, but the main point about 
lighting strikes and faraday cages is that the amount of energy in the lighting 
strike is huge and the faraday cages that we use (ovens, antistatic bags, 
aluminum foil wrap and even many of the commercially available cages) are not 
perfect (they have openings, the holes in the net are often too big, they have 
sharp edges, their grounding is of non-zero resistance etc.). 

  The combination of these two factors creates a situation where it is a bit of 
a crapshoot of what would and what would not survive. 

  Having said that, it is probably better to protect these instruments to 
whatever degree is reasonable (I cannot see anyone carrying a heavy safe to 
keep a handheld GPS in it).

  Marek
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  Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:21:58 -0400
  From: Rich Knowles 
  To: cnc-list Cnc-List 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS
  Message-ID: 
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  This is an informative site about Faraday Cages:

  http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Faraday_cage.html

  We had them at maintenance shops located at TV and radio transmitter sites to 
enable interference-free equipment testing in high RF environments. Direct 
lightning strikes on transmission antennas and equipment were always a crap 
shoot as to what damage would be incurred. All towers, buildings, cages and 
protective devices were religiously grounded. Some times they would survive 
direct hits, and, at other times, damage would occur ranging from catastrophic 
to minor. Always a surprise.

  Rich Knowles
  INDIGO LF38
  Halifax, NS.



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Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk

[Gary Nylander]

Yes, I have two thru-hulls there - one for the speed wheel and the other for 
the depth. Plus the hubs for the mast wiring (one for the Nexus system and the 
other for the lights). The speed is pretty far forward and as close to the 
centerline as possible and the depth is back a ways and a little outboard so it 
doesn't get into the prop wash from the speed.

My head drain is in the head cabinet (actually three, the drain, the sink 
input, and the sink output). It is pretty busy in there.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Curtis 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:50 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk


  The forward dinette seat? I have a drain there fro the head and t electrical 
buses for the mast wiring? Think it would work?>





  On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Gary Nylander  
wrote:

Curtis, your 30 is not cored - at least below the water line. I've mounted 
a transducer in mine - under the dinette seat - all solid glass.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Curtis 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk


  I was thinking that I would need to separate them so as not to interfere 
with each other? I was thinking my C&C30 MK1 was a solid Glass bottom "Not 
Cored)?  if the new transducers can see 300 feet deep can it not see forward 
the 25' of separation from one end to the other of the boat? 


  Thanks





  On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Jim Watts  
wrote:

If you have transducers working on the same frequency you will get 
crosstalk. If you have one instrument @ 50 Hz and one @ 200 Hz there should be 
no problem. 

You can get around this by mounting the transducers very far apart, but 
apart from showing you what you just hit I don't see much point in having one 
at the stern. 

In-hull transducers generally lose a lot of depth because the signal is 
attenuated by the hull, the thicker the hull the smaller the signal. They don't 
work at all with a cored hull unless you remove the core in that area and 
replace it with solid glass. If you can put up with limited depth, the in-hull 
installation will be easier and probably won't leak. : )






Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC




On 17 January 2014 04:23, Curtis  wrote:

  I have a new Garmin ECho 50s  
  I would love to know how to set  the wind gauge up to the ST50 Gauge 
and the Garmin at the same time. I know it can be done . I want to keep 2 
different depth sounders one in the New Garmin transducer and one in the older 
st50. One question on that topic? should I put the 2 depth transducers one 
astern and one forward? so I can see both ends of the boat better or keep them 
both just forward of the keel. and sense I have not purchased the Garmin 
transducer yet do I get the in-hull or the threw-hull?



  On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Russ & Melody  
wrote:

Hi Michael,

Please post the Seatalk talk info. 

I don't need it right now but I save these kinds of posts for when 
I do need it. 

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 04:55 PM 16/01/2014, you wrote:

  Short answer is yes.
  .

  Michael Brown
  Windburn
  C&C 30-1

  PS: I can post more information about the installation and 
getting the
  Seatalk NG working with ST50 instruments on Seatalk 1 if anyone is
  interested.




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Stus-List Chartplotter Question

[Tom Buscaglia]

I installed an E7 on Alera to interface with my ST60 stuff and a 
converter cable was needed to link the older seatalk to the newer 
seatalk.  It was irritating but not too complicated, mostly just a 
little head scratching and an additional spend.  That said, I rarely 
use the E7, except for backup.  I rely on my iPad, which I mount in a 
watertight bag on the pedestal running Navionics.  I also run 
Navionics on my iphone.  Our adventures are limited to the SOunds and 
straights here in the PNW,  So, line of sight is also there as 
well.  Not sure I would be OK on a long ocean trip, but for what we 
do, it's fine.


My original iPAd did not have wireless.  I bought it for charting and 
was disappointed to learn it had no GPS and calculate location be 
triangulating cell towers which was useless on the water.  So, I 
found the DUAL external GPS.  It is blue tooth and samples all 
available satellites.  It is much more reliable and I still use it if 
precision is needed.  I do my preplanning on my laptop.  I used to 
use a copy of Chartplotter Pro.  It allowed for tagging way points to 
current makers which allowsw for aa fairly decent ETA 
calculation.  With currents running at 6 kts at some spots, a real 
boon to planning.  Unfortunately the company went out of business and 
that application does not work on anything later then XP.  So I have 
been using the Navionics PC application for planning and then doing 
the current analysis manually.


I then set the route and way points in the app on the ipad .  Then 
manually set the autopilot from waypoint to waypoint or steer 
manually.  We always keep an eye on the water due to the tides around 
here throwing out hull busters every cycle.  The other feature I use 
even trip uis the tracking.  I turn the track on as we leave the dock 
(which drives my wife crazy) and then end it once we have tied 
up.  It provides distance, speed and time (which I then use to help 
monitor fuel consumption) of each trip.  This works great for us 
because all of you trips (so far ;) ) are day trips of no more than 8-10 hours.


Tom B

 Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com



At 10:05 AM 1/17/2014, you wrote:

Message: 10
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:03:31 -0500
From: John Russo 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chartplotter Question
Message-ID: <00ad01cf13ae$6ed231a0$4c7694e0$@optonline.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Steve,

I had a similar need with my E-80 and installed a Raymarine A50 at the helm
but had to also install a converter for sea talk to sea talkNG so the units
could talk to each other. You may not have to do this with the E7. See
arpeggio1984.info web site under projects 2013 for further details.

John
Arpeggio C&C 32
Norwalk CT

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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Marek Dziedzic]

I don’t want to get into a scientific discussion, but the main point about 
lighting strikes and faraday cages is that the amount of energy in the lighting 
strike is huge and the faraday cages that we use (ovens, antistatic bags, 
aluminum foil wrap and even many of the commercially available cages) are not 
perfect (they have openings, the holes in the net are often too big, they have 
sharp edges, their grounding is of non-zero resistance etc.). 

The combination of these two factors creates a situation where it is a bit of a 
crapshoot of what would and what would not survive. 

Having said that, it is probably better to protect these instruments to 
whatever degree is reasonable (I cannot see anyone carrying a heavy safe to 
keep a handheld GPS in it).

Marek
--

Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:21:58 -0400
From: Rich Knowles 
To: cnc-list Cnc-List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

This is an informative site about Faraday Cages:

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Faraday_cage.html

We had them at maintenance shops located at TV and radio transmitter sites to 
enable interference-free equipment testing in high RF environments. Direct 
lightning strikes on transmission antennas and equipment were always a crap 
shoot as to what damage would be incurred. All towers, buildings, cages and 
protective devices were religiously grounded. Some times they would survive 
direct hits, and, at other times, damage would occur ranging from catastrophic 
to minor. Always a surprise.

Rich Knowles
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Re: Stus-List Redundant instrumentation / tools

[Tim Goodyear]

I have a friend who is very proud of using a road atlas to bring his Tartan
30 from New York to Boston a few years back (way before GPS).  There is
much less to worry about with all that plain blue in Long Island Sound
rather than seeing the tiresome rocks and shoals...

Tim


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Frederick G Street wrote:

> The Brits have been dealing with these kinds of novice sailors for years;
> this one from 2000:
>
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/sailor-using-road-map-to-navigate-is-rescued-710914.html
>
> And another from 2012:
>
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2167297/Lost-yachtsman-Andy-Brown-rescued-TWICE-using-ROAD-ATLAS-navigate-North-Sea.html
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
>
> On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
>
> Interesting story about a novice going coastal cruising with only his
> phone for location
>
>
> http://www.soundingsonline.com/dispatches/291566-video-a-novice-sailor-and-a-moonless-night
>
>
>
> http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2014/01/09/2869285/boat-rescue-helicopter-piedras.html
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39
>
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Re: Stus-List Charlie Doane's Great Adventure

[Bill Coleman]

Doesn't look like they are going to sell hull# 2 on this boat! At least not
without going back to the drawring board.
Pretty much everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Shows again that
rudders are the wrong place to try to save weight. Also, if you really think
things are so bad you need to abandon. best to take the first offer!  I'd
rather end up in Israel than Davey Jones Locker.

Bill Coleman
C&C 39 


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:20 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Charlie Doane's Great Adventure

Sounds as if an emergency rudder would have been useless in this 
particular case. The one of two rudders that was still intact, was bent, 
and permanently steering pretty hard in one direction only.

Bill Bina

On 1/17/2014 1:05 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:
> I guess that's why you need an alternate means of steering in the 
> event of a rudder failure when doing an offshore race.  My emergency 
> rudder is 90% done.  Just waiting for some bolts.
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis


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Re: Stus-List Redundant instrumentation / tools

[Frederick G Street]

The Brits have been dealing with these kinds of novice sailors for years; this 
one from 2000:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/sailor-using-road-map-to-navigate-is-rescued-710914.html

And another from 2012:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2167297/Lost-yachtsman-Andy-Brown-rescued-TWICE-using-ROAD-ATLAS-navigate-North-Sea.html


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Bill Coleman  wrote:

> Interesting story about a novice going coastal cruising with only his phone 
> for location
>  
> http://www.soundingsonline.com/dispatches/291566-video-a-novice-sailor-and-a-moonless-night
>  
>  
> http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2014/01/09/2869285/boat-rescue-helicopter-piedras.html
>  
>  
>  
> Bill Coleman
> C&C 39

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Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

[Eric Frank]

This works really well on Cat's Paw.  I learned about it on this list a year or 
so ago and I implemented it last winter.  Someone said the idea originated with 
the lady who has published extensively about marine toilets (name eludes me) - 
Danny - you talked to her by telephone a few months ago - right?

Flushing the bowl with fresh water at the end of the day has made a big 
difference in smell.  It also has made winterizing the toilet and holding tank 
easier - just fill the basin with antifreeze and pump it into the toilet and 
then into the previously emptied holding tank.  

I would not have gone so far as "sweet" though!

Eric
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II

> From: Russ & Melody 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds
> Another idea:
> My toilet intake passes under the heads basin. So I teed the basin 
> drain into the toilet raw water supply. It works like a charm, basin 
> drains out the intake trough-hull and when the toilet gets used there 
> is good agitation to clear the basin drain.
> As an added bonus, being a salt water high organics boat area, before 
> I leave the boat for any length of time I close toilet supply 
> through-hull, half fill the basin with fresh water and pump through 
> the toilet. When I get back and use the boat there is no sulphur 
> smell in initial uses of toilet, sweet :)


Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
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Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

[Frederick G Street]

Agreed — no way to know for sure if it’s working, or just back-siphoning.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 17, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Della Barba, Joe  wrote:

> I would never want an underwater bilge pump discharge. I know this from 
> waking up to knee-deep water in Rock Hall one night. Just Say No and run it 
> out a normal above-the-waterline fitting!

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Re: Stus-List Chartplotter Question

[Martin DeYoung]

>- is there a repeater screen of some kind which can be put at the helm?<
> Better for sun and rain considerations.>
>... you can only see it when you are behind the wheel.<

Calypso has an 14 yr old Raytheon RL70 radar/chartplotter system with displays 
at both the nav station and the helm.

The helm display is in a NavPod housing that enhances the RL70 displays 
designed in water resistance.  We also have a Sunbrella/clear flex plastic 
cover that drops over the housing/display for dampish sailing conditions.

Display readability has some issues with sun and angle but in general it has 
performed to our expectations.  A usability variable based on the helmsman has 
been the focal range and whether the helmsman remembers to have his reading 
glasses handy.

We do the vast majority of waypoint setting and detailed radar observation from 
the nav station and mostly use the helm repeater on very close range when 
performing close quarters maneuvers.  Being able to quickly switch between the 
radar and chartplotter displays as the sphincter tightens has been helpful, 
especially in low visibility conditions.

If you are considering single or short-handed sailing the helm display, 
especially with radar has been very helpful especially at night.  On ¼ mile 
range I have been able to identify small skiffs crossing at high speed and 
confirm there is little risk of collision.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle
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Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 8:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Chartplotter Question

Steve - you might consider one of the new Raymarine "a" series displays; 
cheaper than the e7, and they play well together on the Seatalk HS/Raynet 
network.  Even the smallest a65 has the network connection, and can share all 
the data and control the system.  Advantages over the iPad solution are 
permanently-connected power and much better waterproof-ability than the iPad.

Let me know if you'd like pricing.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 17, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Joel Aronson 
mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Steve,

My E7 is at the helm.  The problem is that you can only see it when you are 
behind the wheel.  I have not tried the Ray app on the IPad, but for the 
Bermuda race I intend to use a RamMount and a waterproof case so I can mirror 
the E7 and swivel the IPad from side to side.  I installed a power outlet in 
the NavPod to keep the Ipad charged.  I also have both the Garmin and Navionics 
apps on the IPad as a backup.

The new OS for the E7 should be out by spring.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:38 AM, OldSteveH 
mailto:oldste...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:
Two years ago I  replaced my old Magellan GPS (it was a dinosaur) with a
Raymarine E7 chartplotter.
I wanted it at the helm, but for expediency initially set it up at the chart
table, same place as the old one.
The plan being eventually to move it to the helm in a navpod.

However over past 2 summers its actually worked well at the chart table.
Its integrated (Seatalk NG) with my other electronics so when racing I will
pop down below and set the waypoints for the helmslady and she can see the
new course, SOG, COG, DTW, etc. on an ST60 multidisplay at the helm.
All in all not bad but I would still like to have the chart plotter at the
helm. Or at least some kind of chartplotter functionality.

What does the group think of these options:
- is there a repeater screen of some kind which can be put at the helm?
- how well do ipads work with the E7 - are they truly functional or is the
Raymarine app just a toy?
- and the reverse - chartplotter at the helm and ipad at the chart table.
Better for sun and rain considerations.

Am headed to the Toronto boat show this weekend to explore options.
Aren't boat shows great (though for whom - the sellers or the buyers -  I'm
not sure, maybe both)

Cheers


Steve Hood
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Re: Stus-List storing handheld gps ..radios etc.

[Don Newman]

This should significantly improve the odds of survival of electronics stored in 
the oven. 
But it isn't impossible that a GPS sitting loose on the chart table would 
survive while one on the oven is fried by rf generated from current induced in 
the body of the oven. 

We experienced every combination you could imagine in computers over the years. 

One good war story was the computer on the second story of a building near the 
Welland canal the crashed occasionally from radar of a passing ship. Took a 
long time to spot that one. 


Don Newman
C&C 44

> On Jan 16, 2014, at 19:58, Jim Watts  wrote:
> 
> The concept, IIRC, is that the metal oven acts as a Faraday cage when it's 
> closed and there is no entry point for a sideflash. I'm sure someone will 
> correct me here. 
> 
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
> 
> 
>> On 16 January 2014 16:42, Jimmy Kelly  wrote:
>> have not heard of oven storage before..would like to hear more...i was hit 
>> by lightning   a number years a go  ...only electrics not totally fried was  
>> spare  b&g  rdf...was not trailing ground  from shrouds  as was   & is still 
>>  a habit  thanks.
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Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk

[Curtis]

Wow! O.K  than I must find a way to get both forward. I have no intention
of backing up thats for sure.
Thanks.


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Bill Bina  wrote:

> Your SONAR projects a pretty narrow beam, Curtis.  It is like looking
> through a telescope. At close range, you have a very narrow view. In
> shallower water, it may not even cover the width of your boat.
>
> A typical Sonar beam is about 20 degrees. The footprint in 10 feet of
> water is a little over 3 feet in diameter. The same 20 degree beam in 50
> feet of water has about a 17 foot diameter footprint.
>
> Bill Bina
>
>
> On 1/17/2014 12:18 PM, Curtis wrote:
>
>> I was thinking that I would need to separate them so as not to interfere
>> with each other? I was thinking my C&C30 MK1 was a solid Glass bottom "Not
>> Cored)?  if the new transducers can see 300 feet deep can it not see
>> forward the 25' of separation from one end to the other of the boat?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: Stus-List Chartplotter Question

[OldSteveH]

John, nice website!

I too had to upgrade the SeaTalk to a SeaTalk NG backbone. It was actually
easy.
I had tried hard to get the E7 communicating with other instruments via NMEA
but could not make it all work.
Am presently thinking an A65 or A75 is an expensive solution to this
problem.
Will hopefully find out more about iPad app at the boat show and how well it
really works.

Cheers,

Steve Hood
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Steve,

I had a similar need with my E-80 and installed a Raymarine A50 at the helm
but had to also install a converter for sea talk to sea talkNG so the units
could talk to each other. You may not have to do this with the E7. See
arpeggio1984.info web site under projects 2013 for further details.

John
Arpeggio C&C 32
Norwalk CT


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of OldSteveH
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 10:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Chartplotter Question

Two years ago I  replaced my old Magellan GPS (it was a dinosaur) with a
Raymarine E7 chartplotter.
I wanted it at the helm, but for expediency initially set it up at the chart
table, same place as the old one.
The plan being eventually to move it to the helm in a navpod.

However over past 2 summers its actually worked well at the chart table.
Its integrated (Seatalk NG) with my other electronics so when racing I will
pop down below and set the waypoints for the helmslady and she can see the
new course, SOG, COG, DTW, etc. on an ST60 multidisplay at the helm.
All in all not bad but I would still like to have the chart plotter at the
helm. Or at least some kind of chartplotter functionality.

What does the group think of these options:
- is there a repeater screen of some kind which can be put at the helm?
- how well do ipads work with the E7 - are they truly functional or is the
Raymarine app just a toy? 
- and the reverse - chartplotter at the helm and ipad at the chart table.
Better for sun and rain considerations.

Am headed to the Toronto boat show this weekend to explore options.
Aren't boat shows great (though for whom - the sellers or the buyers -  I'm
not sure, maybe both)

Cheers


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Re: Stus-List Charlie Doane's Great Adventure

[Bill Bina]

Sounds as if an emergency rudder would have been useless in this 
particular case. The one of two rudders that was still intact, was bent, 
and permanently steering pretty hard in one direction only.


Bill Bina

On 1/17/2014 1:05 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:
I guess that's why you need an alternate means of steering in the 
event of a rudder failure when doing an offshore race.  My emergency 
rudder is 90% done.  Just waiting for some bolts.


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Re: Stus-List Charlie Doane's Great Adventure

[Andrew Burton]

In this instance, the rudders were really the problem as they were jammed
askew. from reading Charlie's explanation, their only option would have
been to drop the rudders, something he says they thought about but could do
because they float.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:

> I guess that's why you need an alternate means of steering in the event of
> a rudder failure when doing an offshore race.  My emergency rudder is 90%
> done.  Just waiting for some bolts.
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Wow.  I'm a little in shock from that.
>> I had watched the construction of the Alpha 42 from when they first
>> announced the boat - all the info on the boat looked good but maybe the
>> systems and final results where not everything they had hoped for.
>>
>> Terrible all around.  For the couple to lose the boat, for the company to
>> have boat #1 lost barely off shore.
>>
>> I wonder where the boat will end up?  I'll have to watch the beaches
>> around here!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -
>>   Dr. Mark Bodnar
>> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
>> Bedford Chiropractic
>> -
>>
>> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>>   - George Santayana
>>
>>
>> On 17/01/2014 10:51 AM, Bill Bina wrote:
>>
>>> This story is starting to get general media coverage, but here is a
>>> first person account from Charles Doane, who was aboard, and is also
>>> Executive Editor of Sail Magazine...
>>>
>>> http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/558-helicopter-
>>> evacuation-abandoning-be-good-too
>>>
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk

[Bill Bina]

Your SONAR projects a pretty narrow beam, Curtis.  It is like looking 
through a telescope. At close range, you have a very narrow view. In 
shallower water, it may not even cover the width of your boat.


A typical Sonar beam is about 20 degrees. The footprint in 10 feet of 
water is a little over 3 feet in diameter. The same 20 degree beam in 50 
feet of water has about a 17 foot diameter footprint.


Bill Bina

On 1/17/2014 12:18 PM, Curtis wrote:
I was thinking that I would need to separate them so as not to 
interfere with each other? I was thinking my C&C30 MK1 was a solid 
Glass bottom "Not Cored)?  if the new transducers can see 300 feet 
deep can it not see forward the 25' of separation from one end to the 
other of the boat?


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Re: Stus-List Charlie Doane's Great Adventure

[Joel Aronson]

I guess that's why you need an alternate means of steering in the event of
a rudder failure when doing an offshore race.  My emergency rudder is 90%
done.  Just waiting for some bolts.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Dr. Mark Bodnar wrote:

>
> Wow.  I'm a little in shock from that.
> I had watched the construction of the Alpha 42 from when they first
> announced the boat - all the info on the boat looked good but maybe the
> systems and final results where not everything they had hoped for.
>
> Terrible all around.  For the couple to lose the boat, for the company to
> have boat #1 lost barely off shore.
>
> I wonder where the boat will end up?  I'll have to watch the beaches
> around here!
>
> Mark
>
> -
>   Dr. Mark Bodnar
> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
> Bedford Chiropractic
> -
>
> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>   - George Santayana
>
>
> On 17/01/2014 10:51 AM, Bill Bina wrote:
>
>> This story is starting to get general media coverage, but here is a first
>> person account from Charles Doane, who was aboard, and is also Executive
>> Editor of Sail Magazine...
>>
>> http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/558-helicopter-
>> evacuation-abandoning-be-good-too
>>
>>
>> Bill Bina
>>
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Re: Stus-List Chartplotter Question

[John Russo]

Steve,

I had a similar need with my E-80 and installed a Raymarine A50 at the helm
but had to also install a converter for sea talk to sea talkNG so the units
could talk to each other. You may not have to do this with the E7. See
arpeggio1984.info web site under projects 2013 for further details.

John
Arpeggio C&C 32
Norwalk CT


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of OldSteveH
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 10:39 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Chartplotter Question

Two years ago I  replaced my old Magellan GPS (it was a dinosaur) with a
Raymarine E7 chartplotter.
I wanted it at the helm, but for expediency initially set it up at the chart
table, same place as the old one.
The plan being eventually to move it to the helm in a navpod.

However over past 2 summers its actually worked well at the chart table.
Its integrated (Seatalk NG) with my other electronics so when racing I will
pop down below and set the waypoints for the helmslady and she can see the
new course, SOG, COG, DTW, etc. on an ST60 multidisplay at the helm.
All in all not bad but I would still like to have the chart plotter at the
helm. Or at least some kind of chartplotter functionality.

What does the group think of these options:
- is there a repeater screen of some kind which can be put at the helm?
- how well do ipads work with the E7 - are they truly functional or is the
Raymarine app just a toy? 
- and the reverse - chartplotter at the helm and ipad at the chart table.
Better for sun and rain considerations.

Am headed to the Toronto boat show this weekend to explore options.
Aren't boat shows great (though for whom - the sellers or the buyers -  I'm
not sure, maybe both)

Cheers


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Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

[Russ & Melody]

Agreed Joe. It is far better to plumber it through the bilge and out 
the back and loose some efficiency than go under.


But if a guy is heading down that path I feel compelled to offer the 
best solution I can. (And saving a hundred bucks or more on install 
costs is a bonus.)


Cheers, Russ

At 09:40 AM 17/01/2014, you wrote:

Content-Language: en-US
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boundary="_000_1073606396712942AEE54D9A960E45A718C9654C7BHQMB07baadssa_"

I would never want an underwater bilge pump discharge. I know this 
from waking up to knee-deep water in Rock Hall one night. Just Say 
No and run it out a normal above-the-waterline fitting!


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK 1
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Russ & Melody

Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

Hi Joel,

That's not a bad idea if you can fit a float type cockpit drain in 
the heads basin drain. This is from a UK supply but you get the idea.

http://www.force4.co.uk/4585/Force-4-Cockpit-Non-Return-Drain.html

Two details of importance:
- the bilge pump goes to the large port of the Groco manifold as the 
(large) primary user, the heads basin then has to go to a smaller 
port and should have a screen at the basin to minimize fouling at 
the manifold (shavings & other hair are very real plugging concerns 
with an elbow transition to outlet.
 - the bilge pump will REQUIRE a vented discharge loop to prevent 
siphon when idle and the internal check valve leaks-by.


Another idea:
My toilet intake passes under the heads basin. So I teed the basin 
drain into the toilet raw water supply. It works like a charm, basin 
drains out the intake trough-hull and when the toilet gets used 
there is good agitation to clear the basin drain.
As an added bonus, being a salt water high organics boat area, 
before I leave the boat for any length of time I close toilet supply 
through-hull, half fill the basin with fresh water and pump through 
the toilet. When I get back and use the boat there is no sulphur 
smell in initial uses of toilet, sweet :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

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Re: Stus-List Charlie Doane's Great Adventure

[Dr. Mark Bodnar]

Wow.  I'm a little in shock from that.
I had watched the construction of the Alpha 42 from when they first 
announced the boat - all the info on the boat looked good but maybe 
the systems and final results where not everything they had hoped for.


Terrible all around.  For the couple to lose the boat, for the company 
to have boat #1 lost barely off shore.


I wonder where the boat will end up?  I'll have to watch the beaches 
around here!


Mark

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B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
-

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  - George Santayana

On 17/01/2014 10:51 AM, Bill Bina wrote:
This story is starting to get general media coverage, but here is a 
first person account from Charles Doane, who was aboard, and is also 
Executive Editor of Sail Magazine...


http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/558-helicopter-evacuation-abandoning-be-good-too 




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Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

[Joel Aronson]

Its a manual Whale Gusher.  There is no way I can see to run the line so it
is above the water line unless I run it up from under the dinette to
somewhere in the head.


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Della Barba, Joe
wrote:

> I would never want an underwater bilge pump discharge. I know this from
> waking up to knee-deep water in Rock Hall one night. Just Say No and run it
> out a normal above-the-waterline fitting!
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
>
> *C&C 35 MK 1*
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ
> & Melody
> *Sent:* Friday, January 17, 2014 12:28 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds
>
>
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> That's not a bad idea if you can fit a float type cockpit drain in the
> heads basin drain. This is from a UK supply but you get the idea.
> http://www.force4.co.uk/4585/Force-4-Cockpit-Non-Return-Drain.html
>
> Two details of importance:
> - the bilge pump goes to the large port of the Groco manifold as the
> (large) primary user, the heads basin then has to go to a smaller port and
> should have a screen at the basin to minimize fouling at the manifold
> (shavings & other hair are very real plugging concerns with an elbow
> transition to outlet.
>  - the bilge pump will REQUIRE a vented discharge loop to prevent siphon
> when idle and the internal check valve leaks-by.
>
> Another idea:
> My toilet intake passes under the heads basin. So I teed the basin drain
> into the toilet raw water supply. It works like a charm, basin drains out
> the intake trough-hull and when the toilet gets used there is good
> agitation to clear the basin drain.
> As an added bonus, being a salt water high organics boat area, before I
> leave the boat for any length of time I close toilet supply through-hull,
> half fill the basin with fresh water and pump through the toilet. When I
> get back and use the boat there is no sulphur smell in initial uses of
> toilet, sweet :)
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
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Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk

[Curtis]

The forward dinette seat? I have a drain there fro the head and t
electrical buses for the mast wiring? Think it would work?>



On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Gary Nylander wrote:

>  Curtis, your 30 is not cored - at least below the water line. I've
> mounted a transducer in mine - under the dinette seat - all solid glass.
>
> Gary
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Curtis 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 17, 2014 12:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk
>
> I was thinking that I would need to separate them so as not to interfere
> with each other? I was thinking my C&C30 MK1 was a solid Glass bottom "Not
> Cored)?  if the new transducers can see 300 feet deep can it not see
> forward the 25' of separation from one end to the other of the boat?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Jim Watts wrote:
>
>>  If you have transducers working on the same frequency you will get
>> crosstalk. If you have one instrument @ 50 Hz and one @ 200 Hz there should
>> be no problem.
>> You can get around this by mounting the transducers very far apart, but
>> apart from showing you what you just hit I don't see much point in having
>> one at the stern.
>> In-hull transducers generally lose a lot of depth because the signal is
>> attenuated by the hull, the thicker the hull the smaller the signal. They
>> don't work at all with a cored hull unless you remove the core in that area
>> and replace it with solid glass. If you can put up with limited depth, the
>> in-hull installation will be easier and probably won't leak. : )
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C&C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>>
>>
>> On 17 January 2014 04:23, Curtis  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a new Garmin ECho 50s
>>> I would love to know how to set  the wind gauge up to the ST50 Gauge and
>>> the Garmin at the same time. I know it can be done . I want to keep 2
>>> different depth sounders one in the New Garmin transducer and one in the
>>> older st50. One question on that topic? should I put the 2 depth
>>> transducers one astern and one forward? so I can see both ends of the boat
>>> better or keep them both just forward of the keel. and sense I have not
>>> purchased the Garmin transducer yet do I get the in-hull or the threw-hull?
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Russ & Melody wrote:
>>>
  Hi Michael,

 Please post the Seatalk talk info.

 I don't need it right now but I save these kinds of posts for when I do
 need it.

 Cheers, Russ
 *Sweet *35 mk-1

 At 04:55 PM 16/01/2014, you wrote:

 Short answer is yes.
 .

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Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk

[Gary Nylander]

Curtis, your 30 is not cored - at least below the water line. I've mounted a 
transducer in mine - under the dinette seat - all solid glass.

Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: Curtis 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk


  I was thinking that I would need to separate them so as not to interfere with 
each other? I was thinking my C&C30 MK1 was a solid Glass bottom "Not Cored)?  
if the new transducers can see 300 feet deep can it not see forward the 25' of 
separation from one end to the other of the boat?


  Thanks





  On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Jim Watts  wrote:

If you have transducers working on the same frequency you will get 
crosstalk. If you have one instrument @ 50 Hz and one @ 200 Hz there should be 
no problem. 

You can get around this by mounting the transducers very far apart, but 
apart from showing you what you just hit I don't see much point in having one 
at the stern. 

In-hull transducers generally lose a lot of depth because the signal is 
attenuated by the hull, the thicker the hull the smaller the signal. They don't 
work at all with a cored hull unless you remove the core in that area and 
replace it with solid glass. If you can put up with limited depth, the in-hull 
installation will be easier and probably won't leak. : )






Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC




On 17 January 2014 04:23, Curtis  wrote:

  I have a new Garmin ECho 50s 
  I would love to know how to set  the wind gauge up to the ST50 Gauge and 
the Garmin at the same time. I know it can be done . I want to keep 2 different 
depth sounders one in the New Garmin transducer and one in the older st50. One 
question on that topic? should I put the 2 depth transducers one astern and one 
forward? so I can see both ends of the boat better or keep them both just 
forward of the keel. and sense I have not purchased the Garmin transducer yet 
do I get the in-hull or the threw-hull?



  On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Russ & Melody  wrote:

Hi Michael,

Please post the Seatalk talk info. 

I don't need it right now but I save these kinds of posts for when I do 
need it. 

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 04:55 PM 16/01/2014, you wrote:

  Short answer is yes.
  .

  Michael Brown
  Windburn
  C&C 30-1

  PS: I can post more information about the installation and getting the
  Seatalk NG working with ST50 instruments on Seatalk 1 if anyone is
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Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

[Della Barba, Joe]

I would never want an underwater bilge pump discharge. I know this from waking 
up to knee-deep water in Rock Hall one night. Just Say No and run it out a 
normal above-the-waterline fitting!

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK 1
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ & Melody
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

Hi Joel,

That's not a bad idea if you can fit a float type cockpit drain in the heads 
basin drain. This is from a UK supply but you get the idea.
http://www.force4.co.uk/4585/Force-4-Cockpit-Non-Return-Drain.html

Two details of importance:
- the bilge pump goes to the large port of the Groco manifold as the (large) 
primary user, the heads basin then has to go to a smaller port and should have 
a screen at the basin to minimize fouling at the manifold (shavings & other 
hair are very real plugging concerns with an elbow transition to outlet.
 - the bilge pump will REQUIRE a vented discharge loop to prevent siphon when 
idle and the internal check valve leaks-by.

Another idea:
My toilet intake passes under the heads basin. So I teed the basin drain into 
the toilet raw water supply. It works like a charm, basin drains out the intake 
trough-hull and when the toilet gets used there is good agitation to clear the 
basin drain.
As an added bonus, being a salt water high organics boat area, before I leave 
the boat for any length of time I close toilet supply through-hull, half fill 
the basin with fresh water and pump through the toilet. When I get back and use 
the boat there is no sulphur smell in initial uses of toilet, sweet :)

Cheers, Russ
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[Russ & Melody]

Hi Joel,

That's not a bad idea if you can fit a float type cockpit drain in 
the heads basin drain. This is from a UK supply but you get the idea.

http://www.force4.co.uk/4585/Force-4-Cockpit-Non-Return-Drain.html

Two details of importance:
- the bilge pump goes to the large port of the Groco manifold as the 
(large) primary user, the heads basin then has to go to a smaller 
port and should have a screen at the basin to minimize fouling at the 
manifold (shavings & other hair are very real plugging concerns with 
an elbow transition to outlet.
 - the bilge pump will REQUIRE a vented discharge loop to prevent 
siphon when idle and the internal check valve leaks-by.


Another idea:
My toilet intake passes under the heads basin. So I teed the basin 
drain into the toilet raw water supply. It works like a charm, basin 
drains out the intake trough-hull and when the toilet gets used there 
is good agitation to clear the basin drain.
As an added bonus, being a salt water high organics boat area, before 
I leave the boat for any length of time I close toilet supply 
through-hull, half fill the basin with fresh water and pump through 
the toilet. When I get back and use the boat there is no sulphur 
smell in initial uses of toilet, sweet :)


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 07:14 AM 17/01/2014, you wrote:

Andrew,
Good point.  The current manifolds mix intake and discharge.  I've 
never tried using the head with the Y Valve set to discharge, but it 
could be ugly!

Joel


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Burton 
<a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> wrote:
I like the idea of cutting down the number of holes in the bottom, 
but I think through hull manifolds are better used for intakes. You 
would certainly need a check valve in each drain line if you had 
them sharing a thru-hull.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Joel Aronson 
<joel.aron...@gmail.com> wrote:

All,

I am having thru hulls replaced and reconfigured.  I'm considering 
running two lines (Heads sink drain and emergency manual bilge pump 
in the cabin) into a single thru hull and using a Groco manifold such as this:


http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_11151_10001_475791_-1?ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=475791&cid=sc_googlepla&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CNHDr4quhbwCFaVQOgodB1gAzw#.Utk2EhCwK6U

I'm trying to minimize the number of holes in the bottom.
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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Rich Knowles]

This is an informative site about Faraday Cages:

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Faraday_cage.html

We had them at maintenance shops located at TV and radio transmitter sites to 
enable interference-free equipment testing in high RF environments. Direct 
lightning strikes on transmission antennas and equipment were always a crap 
shoot as to what damage would be incurred. All towers, buildings, cages and 
protective devices were religiously grounded. Some times they would survive 
direct hits, and, at other times, damage would occur ranging from catastrophic 
to minor. Always a surprise.

Rich Knowles
INDIGO LF38
Halifax, NS.





On Jan 17, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Andrew Burton  wrote:

I've checked my mother's lasagna recipe again, and sure enough, she recommends 
mixing in a handheld VHF.
I know if I kept anything in my oven, it'd get baked eventually. :)

Andy


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Gary Nylander  
wrote:
And that is why so many cruisers recommend putting a spare VHF/GPS or whatever 
in the oven.

Gary
- Original Message - From: "Ben" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 9:38 AM
Subject: Stus-List Electronics GPS



One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get hit 
by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried even if 
it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old fashion alternatives 
including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to save a hand held GPS would 
be to put it in a screened cage, known as a Faraday cage, to protect it from 
the electric field which results from a lightning strike.
Incidentally, this info is courtesy of Andy & Liza Copeland cruisers and 
authors.
Ben Sutton
BC

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Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk

[Curtis]

I was thinking that I would need to separate them so as not to interfere
with each other? I was thinking my C&C30 MK1 was a solid Glass bottom "Not
Cored)?  if the new transducers can see 300 feet deep can it not see
forward the 25' of separation from one end to the other of the boat?

Thanks



On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Jim Watts  wrote:

> If you have transducers working on the same frequency you will get
> crosstalk. If you have one instrument @ 50 Hz and one @ 200 Hz there should
> be no problem.
> You can get around this by mounting the transducers very far apart, but
> apart from showing you what you just hit I don't see much point in having
> one at the stern.
> In-hull transducers generally lose a lot of depth because the signal is
> attenuated by the hull, the thicker the hull the smaller the signal. They
> don't work at all with a cored hull unless you remove the core in that area
> and replace it with solid glass. If you can put up with limited depth, the
> in-hull installation will be easier and probably won't leak. : )
>
>
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
>
> On 17 January 2014 04:23, Curtis  wrote:
>
>> I have a new Garmin ECho 50s
>> I would love to know how to set  the wind gauge up to the ST50 Gauge and
>> the Garmin at the same time. I know it can be done . I want to keep 2
>> different depth sounders one in the New Garmin transducer and one in the
>> older st50. One question on that topic? should I put the 2 depth
>> transducers one astern and one forward? so I can see both ends of the boat
>> better or keep them both just forward of the keel. and sense I have not
>> purchased the Garmin transducer yet do I get the in-hull or the threw-hull?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Russ & Melody  wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> Please post the Seatalk talk info.
>>>
>>> I don't need it right now but I save these kinds of posts for when I do
>>> need it.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Russ
>>> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>>>
>>> At 04:55 PM 16/01/2014, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Short answer is yes.
>>> .
>>>
>>> Michael Brown
>>> Windburn
>>> C&C 30-1
>>>
>>> PS: I can post more information about the installation and getting the
>>> Seatalk NG working with ST50 instruments on Seatalk 1 if anyone is
>>> interested.
>>>
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Re: Stus-List Electronics - was Re: Setting GPS Waypoints

[Rich Knowles]

Thanks, Marek. Understood. I misinterpreted the email.

Rich







On Jan 17, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Marek Dziedzic  wrote:

You need the radio. It just happen that in the iPads, Apple implemented GPS 
radio together with their cellular data radio. So you only need the radio (GPS 
receiver) in the iPad, not the service. In other words, you need the 
capability, not the coverage.
 
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To: cnc-list Cnc-List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics - was Re: Setting GPS Waypoints
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

I don't understand. 3 or 4 4G cell capability Is cell coverage.

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Re: Stus-List Chartplotter Question

[Frederick G Street]

Steve — you might consider one of the new Raymarine “a” series displays; 
cheaper than the e7, and they play well together on the Seatalk HS/Raynet 
network.  Even the smallest a65 has the network connection, and can share all 
the data and control the system.  Advantages over the iPad solution are 
permanently-connected power and much better waterproof-ability than the iPad.

Let me know if you’d like pricing.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Jan 17, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> My E7 is at the helm.  The problem is that you can only see it when you are 
> behind the wheel.  I have not tried the Ray app on the IPad, but for the 
> Bermuda race I intend to use a RamMount and a waterproof case so I can mirror 
> the E7 and swivel the IPad from side to side.  I installed a power outlet in 
> the NavPod to keep the Ipad charged.  I also have both the Garmin and 
> Navionics apps on the IPad as a backup.
> 
> The new OS for the E7 should be out by spring. 
> 
> Joel
> 35/3
> Annapolis
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:38 AM, OldSteveH  wrote:
> Two years ago I  replaced my old Magellan GPS (it was a dinosaur) with a
> Raymarine E7 chartplotter.
> I wanted it at the helm, but for expediency initially set it up at the chart
> table, same place as the old one.
> The plan being eventually to move it to the helm in a navpod.
> 
> However over past 2 summers its actually worked well at the chart table.
> Its integrated (Seatalk NG) with my other electronics so when racing I will
> pop down below and set the waypoints for the helmslady and she can see the
> new course, SOG, COG, DTW, etc. on an ST60 multidisplay at the helm.
> All in all not bad but I would still like to have the chart plotter at the
> helm. Or at least some kind of chartplotter functionality.
> 
> What does the group think of these options:
> - is there a repeater screen of some kind which can be put at the helm?
> - how well do ipads work with the E7 - are they truly functional or is the
> Raymarine app just a toy?
> - and the reverse - chartplotter at the helm and ipad at the chart table.
> Better for sun and rain considerations.
> 
> Am headed to the Toronto boat show this weekend to explore options.
> Aren't boat shows great (though for whom - the sellers or the buyers -  I'm
> not sure, maybe both)
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> Steve Hood
> S/V Diamond Girl
> C&C 34
> Lions Head ON
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Chartplotter Question

[Joel Aronson]

Steve,

My E7 is at the helm.  The problem is that you can only see it when you are
behind the wheel.  I have not tried the Ray app on the IPad, but for the
Bermuda race I intend to use a RamMount and a waterproof case so I can
mirror the E7 and swivel the IPad from side to side.  I installed a power
outlet in the NavPod to keep the Ipad charged.  I also have both the Garmin
and Navionics apps on the IPad as a backup.

The new OS for the E7 should be out by spring.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:38 AM, OldSteveH  wrote:

> Two years ago I  replaced my old Magellan GPS (it was a dinosaur) with a
> Raymarine E7 chartplotter.
> I wanted it at the helm, but for expediency initially set it up at the
> chart
> table, same place as the old one.
> The plan being eventually to move it to the helm in a navpod.
>
> However over past 2 summers its actually worked well at the chart table.
> Its integrated (Seatalk NG) with my other electronics so when racing I will
> pop down below and set the waypoints for the helmslady and she can see the
> new course, SOG, COG, DTW, etc. on an ST60 multidisplay at the helm.
> All in all not bad but I would still like to have the chart plotter at the
> helm. Or at least some kind of chartplotter functionality.
>
> What does the group think of these options:
> - is there a repeater screen of some kind which can be put at the helm?
> - how well do ipads work with the E7 - are they truly functional or is the
> Raymarine app just a toy?
> - and the reverse - chartplotter at the helm and ipad at the chart table.
> Better for sun and rain considerations.
>
> Am headed to the Toronto boat show this weekend to explore options.
> Aren't boat shows great (though for whom - the sellers or the buyers -  I'm
> not sure, maybe both)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Steve Hood
> S/V Diamond Girl
> C&C 34
> Lions Head ON
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Andrew Burton]

I've checked my mother's lasagna recipe again, and sure enough, she
recommends mixing in a handheld VHF.
I know if I kept anything in my oven, it'd get baked eventually. :)

Andy


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Gary Nylander wrote:

> And that is why so many cruisers recommend putting a spare VHF/GPS or
> whatever in the oven.
>
> Gary
> - Original Message - From: "Ben" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 9:38 AM
> Subject: Stus-List Electronics GPS
>
>
>
>  One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you
>> get hit by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be
>> fried even if it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old
>> fashion alternatives including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to
>> save a hand held GPS would be to put it in a screened cage, known as a
>> Faraday cage, to protect it from the electric field which results from a
>> lightning strike.
>> Incidentally, this info is courtesy of Andy & Liza Copeland cruisers and
>> authors.
>> Ben Sutton
>> BC
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Gary Nylander]

And that is why so many cruisers recommend putting a spare VHF/GPS or 
whatever in the oven.


Gary
- Original Message - 
From: "Ben" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 9:38 AM
Subject: Stus-List Electronics GPS


One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get 
hit by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried 
even if it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old fashion 
alternatives including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to save a 
hand held GPS would be to put it in a screened cage, known as a Faraday 
cage, to protect it from the electric field which results from a lightning 
strike.
Incidentally, this info is courtesy of Andy & Liza Copeland cruisers and 
authors.

Ben Sutton
BC

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Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk

[Marek Dziedzic]

I would get the in-hull transceiver. P79, if memory serves me right. This is 
what I did. I don’t like making holes in the hull, if I don’t have to. There 
was a lot of discussion on the installation topic here and in other forums. The 
short version of that all is to install it where you want it (probably ahead of 
the keel, if nothing else to avoid any water turbulence around the keel) and 
try it there, before installing it permanently. A Ziploc with water under the 
in-hull transducer should work as a temporary measure. Eventually, you want to 
have solid contact with the hull. Some people install in a tube filled with 
oil).

When you buy the transducer, make sure that you get the right one. They come in 
6-pin and 8-pin versions (the cable (I think 30 ft) is directly attached and 
you need to know what kind of connector you need for your Garmin chart 
plotter). I think you need an 8-pin cable.

Also consider if you need an extension cable. When you route the cable around 
the boat it takes a lot of length, sop probably a 20 ft extension is on order.

I cannot comment on the other issue, but probably NMEA 2000 network would help.

Marek

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:23:32 -0500
From: Curtis 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk
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I have a new Garmin ECho 50s
I would love to know how to set  the wind gauge up to the ST50 Gauge and
the Garmin at the same time. I know it can be done . I want to keep 2
different depth sounders one in the New Garmin transducer and one in the
older st50. One question on that topic? should I put the 2 depth
transducers one astern and one forward? so I can see both ends of the boat
better or keep them both just forward of the keel. and sense I have not
purchased the Garmin transducer yet do I get the in-hull or the threw-hull?

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Re: Stus-List Charlie Doane's Great Adventure

[Steve Thomas]

 Verry interesting.

 I had the pleasure of meeting Hank Schmidt as crew on a boat participating in 
one of his NARC rallies from St. Martin to Newport
several years ago.
 He is also runs OPO, {Offshore Passagemaking Opportunities) which is kind of 
an online match making service between crew and
skippers.

 Steve Thomas
 C&C27 MKIII
 Port Stanley, ON

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Bina
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Subject: Stus-List Charlie Doane's Great Adventure


This story is starting to get general media coverage, but here is a
first person account from Charles Doane, who was aboard, and is also
Executive Editor of Sail Magazine...

http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/558-helicopter-evacuation-abandoning-be-good-too


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Re: Stus-List Electronics - was Re: Setting GPS Waypoints

[Marek Dziedzic]

You need the radio. It just happen that in the iPads, Apple implemented GPS 
radio together with their cellular data radio. So you only need the radio (GPS 
receiver) in the iPad, not the service. In other words, you need the 
capability, not the coverage.

Marek

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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:23:59 -0400
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics - was Re: Setting GPS Waypoints
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I don't understand. 3 or 4 4G cell capability Is cell coverage.

Rich

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Stus-List Chartplotter Question

[OldSteveH]

Two years ago I  replaced my old Magellan GPS (it was a dinosaur) with a
Raymarine E7 chartplotter.
I wanted it at the helm, but for expediency initially set it up at the chart
table, same place as the old one.
The plan being eventually to move it to the helm in a navpod.

However over past 2 summers its actually worked well at the chart table.
Its integrated (Seatalk NG) with my other electronics so when racing I will
pop down below and set the waypoints for the helmslady and she can see the
new course, SOG, COG, DTW, etc. on an ST60 multidisplay at the helm.
All in all not bad but I would still like to have the chart plotter at the
helm. Or at least some kind of chartplotter functionality.

What does the group think of these options:
- is there a repeater screen of some kind which can be put at the helm?
- how well do ipads work with the E7 - are they truly functional or is the
Raymarine app just a toy? 
- and the reverse - chartplotter at the helm and ipad at the chart table.
Better for sun and rain considerations.

Am headed to the Toronto boat show this weekend to explore options.
Aren't boat shows great (though for whom - the sellers or the buyers -  I'm
not sure, maybe both)

Cheers


Steve Hood
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C&C 34
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Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk

[Jim Watts]

If you have transducers working on the same frequency you will get
crosstalk. If you have one instrument @ 50 Hz and one @ 200 Hz there should
be no problem.
You can get around this by mounting the transducers very far apart, but
apart from showing you what you just hit I don't see much point in having
one at the stern.
In-hull transducers generally lose a lot of depth because the signal is
attenuated by the hull, the thicker the hull the smaller the signal. They
don't work at all with a cored hull unless you remove the core in that area
and replace it with solid glass. If you can put up with limited depth, the
in-hull installation will be easier and probably won't leak. : )



Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 17 January 2014 04:23, Curtis  wrote:

> I have a new Garmin ECho 50s
> I would love to know how to set  the wind gauge up to the ST50 Gauge and
> the Garmin at the same time. I know it can be done . I want to keep 2
> different depth sounders one in the New Garmin transducer and one in the
> older st50. One question on that topic? should I put the 2 depth
> transducers one astern and one forward? so I can see both ends of the boat
> better or keep them both just forward of the keel. and sense I have not
> purchased the Garmin transducer yet do I get the in-hull or the threw-hull?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Russ & Melody  wrote:
>
>>  Hi Michael,
>>
>> Please post the Seatalk talk info.
>>
>> I don't need it right now but I save these kinds of posts for when I do
>> need it.
>>
>> Cheers, Russ
>> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>>
>> At 04:55 PM 16/01/2014, you wrote:
>>
>> Short answer is yes.
>> .
>>
>> Michael Brown
>> Windburn
>> C&C 30-1
>>
>> PS: I can post more information about the installation and getting the
>> Seatalk NG working with ST50 instruments on Seatalk 1 if anyone is
>> interested.
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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Della Barba, Joe]

I agree. It would likely make it worse.
BTW - trivia fact for you all - the most common mode of lightning damage I 
worked on was a lightning hit on another boat or power pole that came up the 
shore power cord.

Joe Della Barba

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

I think connecting the "cage" to ground would nullify the protection.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 17 January 2014 07:25, dwight 
mailto:dwight...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I read your post Jim, guess some others did not...or maybe just wanted thought 
what you wrote needed to be restated and embellished.

No one mentioned but I believe the Faraday cage may need to be connected to 
ground, otherwise where do the electrons go


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Sent: January 17, 2014 11:20 AM
To: 1 CnC List
Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

It was also courtesy of me, yesterday.

Jim Watts
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Victoria, BC

On 17 January 2014 06:38, Ben mailto:sutton...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get hit 
by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried even if 
it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old fashion alternatives 
including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to save a hand held GPS would 
be to put it in a screened cage, known as a Faraday cage, to protect it from 
the electric field which results from a lightning strike.
Incidentally, this info is courtesy of Andy & Liza Copeland cruisers and 
authors.
Ben Sutton
BC

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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS - now lightning

[Della Barba, Joe]

The oven-as-Faraday-cage urban legend has been around a long time. It *might* 
work, but having been in the repair biz and having worked on a ton of lightning 
damaged boats, I would NOT COUNT ON IT. The damage can be incredibly variable 
and random. I had lightning blow my VHF antenna off and not damage the radio 
and I have seen boats sunk by lightning. In theory a closed metal box will 
conduct all charges around the outer skin and nothing inside will be damaged. 
It does not need to be grounded. Airplanes are like this - I have been hit 
while flying and it did no permanent damage. All the power went offline, but we 
got it back on with the time honored tradition of resetting the switches a 
couple of times ;)

Do make sure a heavy cable connects the base of the mast to a keelbolt. That 
helps as much as anything.

Joe Della Barba
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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Jim Watts]

I think connecting the "cage" to ground would nullify the protection.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 17 January 2014 07:25, dwight  wrote:

> I read your post Jim, guess some others did not…or maybe just wanted
> thought what you wrote needed to be restated and embellished.
>
>
>
> No one mentioned but I believe the Faraday cage may need to be connected
> to ground, otherwise where do the electrons go
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Watts
> *Sent:* January 17, 2014 11:20 AM
> *To:* 1 CnC List
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS
>
>
>
> It was also courtesy of me, yesterday.
>
>
>  Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
>
>
> On 17 January 2014 06:38, Ben  wrote:
>
> One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get
> hit by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried
> even if it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old fashion
> alternatives including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to save a
> hand held GPS would be to put it in a screened cage, known as a Faraday
> cage, to protect it from the electric field which results from a lightning
> strike.
> Incidentally, this info is courtesy of Andy & Liza Copeland cruisers and
> authors.
> Ben Sutton
> BC
>
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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[dwight]

I read your post Jim, guess some others did not.or maybe just wanted thought
what you wrote needed to be restated and embellished.

 

No one mentioned but I believe the Faraday cage may need to be connected to
ground, otherwise where do the electrons go

 

  _  

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Sent: January 17, 2014 11:20 AM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

 

It was also courtesy of me, yesterday.




Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

 

On 17 January 2014 06:38, Ben  wrote:

One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get
hit by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried
even if it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old fashion
alternatives including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to save a hand
held GPS would be to put it in a screened cage, known as a Faraday cage, to
protect it from the electric field which results from a lightning strike.
Incidentally, this info is courtesy of Andy & Liza Copeland cruisers and
authors.
Ben Sutton
BC

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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Jim Watts]

It was also courtesy of me, yesterday.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 17 January 2014 06:38, Ben  wrote:

> One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get
> hit by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried
> even if it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old fashion
> alternatives including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to save a
> hand held GPS would be to put it in a screened cage, known as a Faraday
> cage, to protect it from the electric field which results from a lightning
> strike.
> Incidentally, this info is courtesy of Andy & Liza Copeland cruisers and
> authors.
> Ben Sutton
> BC
>
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Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

[Joel Aronson]

Andrew,
Good point.  The current manifolds mix intake and discharge.  I've never
tried using the head with the Y Valve set to discharge, but it could be
ugly!
Joel


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Andrew Burton wrote:

> I like the idea of cutting down the number of holes in the bottom, but I
> think through hull manifolds are better used for intakes. You would
> certainly need a check valve in each drain line if you had them sharing a
> thru-hull.
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Joel Aronson wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I am having thru hulls replaced and reconfigured.  I'm considering
>> running two lines (Heads sink drain and emergency manual bilge pump in the
>> cabin) into a single thru hull and using a Groco manifold such as this:
>>
>>
>> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_11151_10001_475791_-1?ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=475791&cid=sc_googlepla&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CNHDr4quhbwCFaVQOgodB1gAzw#.Utk2EhCwK6U
>>
>> I'm trying to minimize the number of holes in the bottom.
>> Thoughts?  Recommendations?
>>
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Re: Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Andrew Burton]

What about watches, Ben? I always used to keep a casio digital watch in my
sextant box. But it occurs to me that it might be toast, too, in the event
of a lightning strike.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Ben  wrote:

> One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get
> hit by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried
> even if it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old fashion
> alternatives including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to save a
> hand held GPS would be to put it in a screened cage, known as a Faraday
> cage, to protect it from the electric field which results from a lightning
> strike.
> Incidentally, this info is courtesy of Andy & Liza Copeland cruisers and
> authors.
> Ben Sutton
> BC
>
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Stus-List Charlie Doane's Great Adventure

[Bill Bina]

This story is starting to get general media coverage, but here is a 
first person account from Charles Doane, who was aboard, and is also 
Executive Editor of Sail Magazine...


http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/558-helicopter-evacuation-abandoning-be-good-too


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Re: Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

[Andrew Burton]

I like the idea of cutting down the number of holes in the bottom, but I
think through hull manifolds are better used for intakes. You would
certainly need a check valve in each drain line if you had them sharing a
thru-hull.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Joel Aronson wrote:

> All,
>
> I am having thru hulls replaced and reconfigured.  I'm considering running
> two lines (Heads sink drain and emergency manual bilge pump in the cabin)
> into a single thru hull and using a Groco manifold such as this:
>
>
> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_11151_10001_475791_-1?ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=475791&cid=sc_googlepla&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CNHDr4quhbwCFaVQOgodB1gAzw#.Utk2EhCwK6U
>
> I'm trying to minimize the number of holes in the bottom.
> Thoughts?  Recommendations?
>
> --
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Stus-List Electronics GPS

[Ben]

One thing to bear in mind when choosing navigation instruments. If you get hit 
by lightning, every electronic gadget you have on board will be fried even if 
it is not plugged into anything. Thus you will want old fashion alternatives 
including a sextant if you are offshore. One way to save a hand held GPS would 
be to put it in a screened cage, known as a Faraday cage, to protect it from 
the electric field which results from a lightning strike.
Incidentally, this info is courtesy of Andy & Liza Copeland cruisers and 
authors.
Ben Sutton
BC

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Re: Stus-List Painter Attachment to Boat

[Wally Bryant]

When towing the dink, I attach a heavy floating line to it with a strong 
caribiner.  The painter's just for docking.  The caribiner clips on a 
little towing bridle.


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Stus-List Thru hull and manifolds

[Joel Aronson]

All,

I am having thru hulls replaced and reconfigured.  I'm considering running
two lines (Heads sink drain and emergency manual bilge pump in the cabin)
into a single thru hull and using a Groco manifold such as this:

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_11151_10001_475791_-1?ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=475791&cid=sc_googlepla&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&gclid=CNHDr4quhbwCFaVQOgodB1gAzw#.Utk2EhCwK6U

I'm trying to minimize the number of holes in the bottom.
Thoughts?  Recommendations?

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Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints

[Indigo]

I do all my passage / route planning on a laptop (Offshore Navigator) - mostly 
in the comfort of my home - so I can closely look at the planned track using 
large scale electronic charts to ensure it safely avoids all charted hazards. I 
the upload the defined waypoints to my tach GPS - this avoids any keying 
errors.  If I am to pass close by a hazard. I will place a waypoint at a safe 
distance from it - and this is often just a virtual point if there if no 
navigation aid nearby. Like others have said, I NEVER place my waypoints at the 
location if the navigation aid (buoy etc) but always place them a few boat 
lengths away on the safe side. This has two advantages - a) I am unlikely to 
hit the buoy! and b) I always know which side of the boat I need to look out to 
find said buoy

Jonathan 
Indigo 35-III
Southport CT

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On Jan 16, 2014, at 9:07, "Maturo, John"  wrote:

> I certainly subscribe to Dennis's practice. It took me a couple of years 
> before I trusted the routing capabilities of my gps. All of my routes are 
> verified in good visibility before I trust them in the dark of night or fog. 
> 
> A proper watch and attention to what you see and hear rather than exclusively 
> relying on the electronic version of reality is the way to keep ones boat and 
> life safe. As has been said electronics are an aid to extend our vision not 
> to replace it
> 
> 
> John Maturo
> Ashe Baltic 39
> 203-494-6782
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2014, at 8:30, "cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  4.  Electronics - was Re:  Setting GPS Waypoints
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Re: Stus-List Setting GPS Waypoints -> Seatalk

[Curtis]

I have a new Garmin ECho 50s
I would love to know how to set  the wind gauge up to the ST50 Gauge and
the Garmin at the same time. I know it can be done . I want to keep 2
different depth sounders one in the New Garmin transducer and one in the
older st50. One question on that topic? should I put the 2 depth
transducers one astern and one forward? so I can see both ends of the boat
better or keep them both just forward of the keel. and sense I have not
purchased the Garmin transducer yet do I get the in-hull or the threw-hull?


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Russ & Melody  wrote:

>  Hi Michael,
>
> Please post the Seatalk talk info.
>
> I don't need it right now but I save these kinds of posts for when I do
> need it.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> *Sweet *35 mk-1
>
> At 04:55 PM 16/01/2014, you wrote:
>
> Short answer is yes.
> .
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
>
> PS: I can post more information about the installation and getting the
> Seatalk NG working with ST50 instruments on Seatalk 1 if anyone is
> interested.
>
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