Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
The farther out you can project the clew the better Precisely why some areas impose limits of J. In PHRFNS a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole are the same. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:00 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Neil, In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations. The regulation is 1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole. There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then LP. As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib. Best, Eric 34/36+ ___ I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft! Russ Cargill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHIS KER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
have a crew controlling the inboard end from near the shrouds. Also illegal in PHRFNS. Although it is done regularly and no one seems to care From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Tim If you used a 20 foot whisker pole to get your 155 clew further out to leeward do the rules state that the inboard end of the pole must be attached at the mast? I have never found a beneficial (better speed) use for a long whisker pole like that...and when I do see them used most boats have a crew controlling the inboard end from near the shrouds. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear Sent: April 4, 2014 6:00 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 BTW, ECSA (Eastern CT PHRF) has removed max length for whisker poles from the regulations (someone mentioned other parts of Long Island Sound may still have restrictions). I only have a spinnaker pole (I mainly race with spin), so that's what I use, but (much) longer is needed to effectively pole out a 155%. My J is 13.6'; the #1 would be happy with the clew poled a bit more than 20' out. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
Russ Someone hit and damaged my daughters car while it was parked. They left with no note and no contact information. She was pissed because this will have to be her own cost or at the very least her own insurance claim. When boating if some other boat hits me through a fault deemed theirs and not mine I would far rather their premiums take the hit than mine since it was their own issue or even negligence that caused the problem. You are not supposed to drive if uninsured. Yous should never be on a boat without insurance either. My 0.02 Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 9:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Hi John, The prevalent attitude that forces other people to buy insurance to protect themselves really confuses me. I have insurance and it includes under-insured protection, so I'm covered. It doesn't matter if the other guy won't carry insurance. In the case of an incident my policy will cover off my losses. If the insurance company wants to recover then they go after the other guy, I don't need nor am I entitled to. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 07:39 PM 04/04/2014, you wrote: I certainly would not race against uninsured boats. John McLaughlin CC29-2 Falcon -Original Message- From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Guess I'm in a weird area. Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never been asked for insurance for dockage or racing. For racing, a valid PHRF certificate is all I've been asked for. We occasionally have to sign a liability waiver for some races. I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida. I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage is adequate. Dennis C. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca wrote: Dennis, Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million liability insurance. My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file in the office to keep a boat here. Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 CC 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: April-04-14 17:53 To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Mike, $2 million insurance? Hmmm. Interesting policy. How many other racing organizers require insurance? I've never had to show in any race in my area. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com mailto:CADdEvn5eBVA9ow1XPrcExSZmf91JV+jz-ThGsuxVrzgSMbef7w@mail.gmail.c om Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7302 - Release Date: 04/04/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Thanks Mike I am aware of that but it may not be the same rule in all PHRF jurisdictions.therefore I suggested to just get the proper spin pole(carbon fiber if you can afford it but even aluminium on a 32 foot boat is not too heavy to handle, attach at mast, use the pole uphaul to get the pole parallel to water with white sail and trim with sheet.easy and that way with the stronger pole you can pole the jib out to weather which I am willing to bet is faster DDW on a mast head rig than poling the clew out several feel beyond J on the leeward side. _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: April 7, 2014 9:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 The farther out you can project the clew the better Precisely why some areas impose limits of J. In PHRFNS a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole are the same. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:00 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Neil, In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations. The regulation is 1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole. There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then LP. As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib. Best, Eric 34/36+ ___ I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft! Russ Cargill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles- http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER -POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description -Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/produc t_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person determine suitable length for a whisker pole? Asking price is $100, this seems pretty cheap?? It's a forespar. Buy?! Thanks, Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance?
True and I totally agree with you Mike but I am still amazed that sail boat insurance covers while racing.seems to me more collisions happen on the race course between racing boats than what ever happen between cruisers.could be it's only a matter of time before premiums for those who race their boats go up _ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: April 7, 2014 9:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Russ Someone hit and damaged my daughters car while it was parked. They left with no note and no contact information. She was pissed because this will have to be her own cost or at the very least her own insurance claim. When boating if some other boat hits me through a fault deemed theirs and not mine I would far rather their premiums take the hit than mine since it was their own issue or even negligence that caused the problem. You are not supposed to drive if uninsured. Yous should never be on a boat without insurance either. My 0.02 Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Russ Melody Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 9:51 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Hi John, The prevalent attitude that forces other people to buy insurance to protect themselves really confuses me. I have insurance and it includes under-insured protection, so I'm covered. It doesn't matter if the other guy won't carry insurance. In the case of an incident my policy will cover off my losses. If the insurance company wants to recover then they go after the other guy, I don't need nor am I entitled to. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 At 07:39 PM 04/04/2014, you wrote: I certainly would not race against uninsured boats. John McLaughlin CC29-2 Falcon -Original Message- From: Dennis C. capt...@gmail.com To: CnClist cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Fri, Apr 4, 2014 6:59 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Guess I'm in a weird area. Louisiana is fairly litigious but I've never been asked for insurance for dockage or racing. For racing, a valid PHRF certificate is all I've been asked for. We occasionally have to sign a liability waiver for some races. I have been asked for it for dockage in Florida. I think the race organizers around here think that the USSailing coverage is adequate. Dennis C. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Rick Taillieu rtaill...@eastlink.ca wrote: Dennis, Pretty much all the clubs in the area require at least $1 million liability insurance. My club requires a current copy of the insurance certificate to be on file in the office to keep a boat here. Rick Taillieu Nemesis '75 CC 25 #371 Shearwater Yacht Club Halifax, NS. From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: April-04-14 17:53 To: CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - Now racing insurance? Mike, $2 million insurance? Hmmm. Interesting policy. How many other racing organizers require insurance? I've never had to show in any race in my area. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Michael Brown m...@tkg.ca wrote: Well, $100 was pretty cheap. I have a twist lock that I may sell. Since getting the larger line control I have not used it much. As mentioned earlier, even at 17' it is small for a #1. If you would like to race National Yacht Club has a policy of welcoming racers from nearby clubs to join us for week night racing. You could race NFS on Tuesdays, FS on Wednesday, and there is a special beginners NFS on Thursdays. NYC also starts the race for the Alexandra Yacht Club on Thursdays. We have two Around the Island weekend races a year with an open invitation. You will need a PHRF-LO certificate and show $2M insurance coverage. If you are getting brave I have a spinnaker I could loan you. Mike Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:51:44 -0400 From: Stevan Plavsa stevanpla...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Message-ID: mailto:caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com caddevn5ebva9ow1xprcexszmf91jv+jz-thgsuxvrzgsmbe...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Dwight. I haven't raced the boat yet (except for some fun races the club hosts annually). The keelboat racing scene at our small club is dwindling but yeah, I plan to participate in the weekly races this year. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3722/7302 - Release Date:
Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32
Agree with Dwight. Different PHRF Regions have different rules for white sails/spinnakers/poles, etc. The last I looked, PHRF of the Chesapeake had the same rules an NE - no whisker (or spinnaker) poles longer than J without penalty. What I suggested earlier, for cruising (or racing if the rules permit), have the extra long whisker pole pushing the clew of the jib out to weather to allow you to go ddw - basically a big barn door with flat sails. Often faster than jibing downwind with your sails acting like sails (airflow). In moderate air (non planing), we find it often hard to keep up with a big boat going straight to the mark (with a J-legal pole) while we are blasting back and forth in our J-80, looking good and jibing well, but taking a much longer course. Gary - Original Message - From: dwight To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Thanks Mike I am aware of that but it may not be the same rule in all PHRF jurisdictions.therefore I suggested to just get the proper spin pole(carbon fiber if you can afford it but even aluminium on a 32 foot boat is not too heavy to handle, attach at mast, use the pole uphaul to get the pole parallel to water with white sail and trim with sheet.easy and that way with the stronger pole you can pole the jib out to weather which I am willing to bet is faster DDW on a mast head rig than poling the clew out several feel beyond J on the leeward side. -- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: April 7, 2014 9:40 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 The farther out you can project the clew the better Precisely why some areas impose limits of J. In PHRFNS a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole are the same. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Eric Baumes Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 7:00 PM To: cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 Neil, In my opinion you are mis-interpreting the YRALIR non-spinnaker regulations. The regulation is 1. Pole Length: Whisker poles may not be longer than LP without penalty. Extendable poles must be banded to indicate their maximum permitted length. Spinnaker poles may be used as whisker poles. When a competitor declares a LP greater than 135% and a pole of J length, a +6 credit may be claimed. If the declared LP is from 120% to 135% with a J length pole, +3 credit may be claimed. No credit is available when the declared LP is less than 120% with a J length pole. There is no penalty for a whisker pole, rather a credit if it is less then LP. As to the value of a whisker pole and the size appropriate for the boat, I raced my Catalina 30 Tall Rig with a forespar 12-22 whisker pole VERY successfully. Downwind or reaching I regularly passed lower rated boats who had spinnaker poles for whisker. The farther out you can project the clew the better. Also for a 32 foot boat I would be concerned with the diameter of the pole. More is better given the load on the jib. Best, Eric 34/36+ ___ I want 10,000 tough guys, and I want 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft! Russ Cargill On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rick Brass rickbr...@earthlink.net wrote: J is the max length for a spinnaker pole without penalty under PHRF rules. In PHRF regions that do not make a distinction between a spin pole and a whisker pole, any pole longer than J wil get a penalty. In regions that do make a distinction, you can follow the best sailing practice of having a whisker pole equal to 1.24 of J, presuming your largest genoa is a 155. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 12:22, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Whisker pole is generally supposed to equal the J measurement of your boat. For the 32 is 12.8 feet. Price for the one 7 - 15 feet is $399 + tax so this is a good price. http://ca.binnacle.com/Whisker-Poles--Hardware/c232/p3070/FORESPAR-WHISKER-POLE-(TWISTLOCK-ADJ.-7-15-FT.)/product_info.html#description From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:14 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Whisker pole - 32 There's one for sale locally, 7' to 17' extension. I don't have one (but there are chocks/mounts on the deck for one). Is this the right size for a CC 32? How does a person
Stus-List Boat for Sale-Where to Advertise?
My C+C 29 On Western Long Island Sound is for sale. I am advertising on *Sailing Texas* and *Windcheck*, as well as local bulletin boards. I am looking for ideas as to how else I can reach potential buyers. Bob Dryer ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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whatever you do don't answer any of the calls your going to get from those guys that call and say have buyers ready. The company is American Boat Listings Ablboats.com used boats scam Internet Although it is not technically a scam, they do nothing except take your money and post on all the free listing sites. They don't care if there is mistake in the listing, whether you want to change anything, lower the price, add some more detail...whatever... They will not answer your calls after they take your money and you'll never be able to revise or remove your listing. I got taken for $150. The one question I had was, ...will you list it on Yachworld? The answer was yes, among many other sites... When it never showed up there I wrote and asked and the one answer I got was we are not brokers and you need to be a broker to list on yacht world... When I said I was assured that it would be listed on yacht world by the sales guy that called me, I never heard anything from them again. Many, many attempts to contact them and get the listing changed to a new price, I never got another response, EVER... Danny,Lolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Bob Dryer bob07...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Boat for Sale-Where to Advertise? Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 09:37:40 -0400 My C+C 29 On Western Long Island Sound is for sale. I am advertising on Sailing Texas and Windcheck, as well as local bulletin boards. I am looking for ideas as to how else I can reach potential buyers.Bob Dryer Odd Carb-Hormone Trick 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5342b58ef38ae358e1b9fst03vuc___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List rod versus rigging question
greetings: Did my question on rod versus rigging arrive in your mail box. Sent about a week ago. Havent seen it yet. Maybe I need to resend? Thanks, Gordon Reid ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat for Sale-Where to Advertise?
Oh, and I ended up finding a buyer through Craigslist locally, in the end. The boat was every bit as nice as I described and the first serious buyer that showed up, bought the boat because she just wanted a turn key and that is what she got. You'll get a lot of tire kickers and low ballers. My boat was on a trailer in my yard so I wasn't racking up storage fees and decided I could wait until someone showed up that was looking for a solid boat, ready for sailing and was willing to pay a fair price. It took me almost 2 years to sell her. My asking price was easily 1/2 what I had invested. I started listing while I was using her one season and went through the next season in the yard and sold the following spring for very close to my asking price. Good luck! Danny -- Original Message -- From: Bob Dryer bob07...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Boat for Sale-Where to Advertise? Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 09:37:40 -0400 My C+C 29 On Western Long Island Sound is for sale. I am advertising on Sailing Texas and Windcheck, as well as local bulletin boards. I am looking for ideas as to how else I can reach potential buyers.Bob Dryer Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rod versus rigging question
Never got it! Joel On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM, CATHY DE PONT reiddep...@shaw.ca wrote: greetings: Did my question on rod versus rigging arrive in your mail box. Sent about a week ago. Havent seen it yet. Maybe I need to resend? Thanks, Gordon Reid ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat for Sale-Where to Advertise?
There is always craigslist. Have not used : http://doityourselfyachtbroker.com/en-us. They advertise on sailinganarchy.com Is there a local sailing rag like Spinsheet? Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Danny Haughey djhaug...@juno.com wrote: whatever you do don't answer any of the calls your going to get from those guys that call and say have buyers ready. The company is American Boat Listings Ablboats.com used boats scam Internethttp://www.ripoffreport.com/liars/american-boat-listin/american-boat-listings-ablboat-498de.htm Although it is not technically a scam, they do nothing except take your money and post on all the free listing sites. They don't care if there is mistake in the listing, whether you want to change anything, lower the price, add some more detail...whatever... They will not answer your calls after they take your money and you'll never be able to revise or remove your listing. I got taken for $150. The one question I had was, ...will you list it on Yachworld? The answer was yes, among many other sites... When it never showed up there I wrote and asked and the one answer I got was we are not brokers and you need to be a broker to list on yacht world... When I said I was assured that it would be listed on yacht world by the sales guy that called me, I never heard anything from them again. Many, many attempts to contact them and get the listing changed to a new price, I never got another response, EVER... Danny, Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Bob Dryer bob07...@gmail.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Boat for Sale-Where to Advertise? Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 09:37:40 -0400 My C+C 29 On Western Long Island Sound is for sale. I am advertising on *Sailing Texas* and *Windcheck*, as well as local bulletin boards. I am looking for ideas as to how else I can reach potential buyers. Bob Dryer *Odd Carb-Hormone Trick* 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/5342b58ef38ae358e1b9fst03vuc info.fixyourbloodsugar.comhttp://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3142/5342b58ef38ae358e1b9fst03vuc ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat for Sale-Where to Advertise?
/Points East/ magazine is similar to /Windcheck/, and is distributed free in many of the same locations around the LIS. It covers all of New England. I imagine that it would be seen by a lot of sailors within reasonable marketing distance, such as Mystic, Ct, All of Narragansett Bay, The eastern forks of Long Island and many other areas that are close enough to you, but where Points East is probably more widely distributed than Windcheck. https://www.pointseast.com/ Bill Bina On 4/7/2014 9:37 AM, Bob Dryer wrote: My C+C 29 On Western Long Island Sound is for sale. I am advertising on /Sailing Texas/ and /Windcheck/, as well as local bulletin boards. I am looking for ideas as to how else I can reach potential buyers. Bob Dryer ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Boat for Sale-Where to Advertise?
Selling on your own is not a bad way to go if you're willing to deal with the calls, showings, etc. When we sold our 34+ we did it on our own but had a local broker handle the money and paperwork for a significantly lower fee (2% if I recall correctly). Worked well for everyone. John Sent from my iPad On Apr 7, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Hoyt, Mike mike.h...@impgroup.com wrote: Create a simple website and highlight the boat with photos on it. List all your upgrades and other information. Then on any ads you post put in a link to the web site. This really helps sales. We sold our Niagara 26 on Kijiji with a link to a web site for the boat. The site showed pictures and described all gear and upgrades. I also have had a web site for the replacement boat from the time we purchased it. Any person who types “J/27 for sale” in Google sees this site in the top 15 entries (#4 in Bing). The boat is not for sale nor is it listed for sale but it comes up anyway. The boat is also well known as a J/27 should we decide to sell it. http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/ The funny thing about the kijiji saga is that I would contact a buyer back and they would ask questions like “which boat was that?” since they had replied to a lot of ads. Other questions were “does it have a toilet?” which was ironic because the head was listed in the equipment and in the upgrades and there was a photo of it on the website. The boat sold for $750 less than asking price to a pair of friends looking for a Niagara 26 who travelled quite far and picked it over two in the Montreal area. They picked this boat because of the upgrades and the sails and the fact that it was documented online for easy reference. There was even a copy of a survey from six years previous to the sale available to view on the web site. I will also consider doing future sales of my boats on my own. Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bina Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:44 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Boat for Sale-Where to Advertise? Points East magazine is similar to Windcheck, and is distributed free in many of the same locations around the LIS. It covers all of New England. I imagine that it would be seen by a lot of sailors within reasonable marketing distance, such as Mystic, Ct, All of Narragansett Bay, The eastern forks of Long Island and many other areas that are close enough to you, but where Points East is probably more widely distributed than Windcheck. https://www.pointseast.com/ Bill Bina On 4/7/2014 9:37 AM, Bob Dryer wrote: My C+C 29 On Western Long Island Sound is for sale. I am advertising on Sailing Texas and Windcheck, as well as local bulletin boards. I am looking for ideas as to how else I can reach potential buyers. Bob Dryer ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List rod versus rigging question
Nope, nothing on the list. I see you are still using Shaw, which is the issue. Shaw and this list do not coexist very well, which is why I use a Gmail account to post to it. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 7 April 2014 08:34, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what you are asking. I did not get a e-mail from you ? Sorry On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:28 AM, CATHY DE PONT reiddep...@shaw.ca wrote: greetings: Did my question on rod versus rigging arrive in your mail box. Sent about a week ago. Havent seen it yet. Maybe I need to resend? Thanks, Gordon Reid ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale.
http://gulfport.craigslist.org/boa/4403571186.html -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale.
Gen 1 40... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com Date:04/07/2014 1:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale. http://gulfport.craigslist.org/boa/4403571186.html -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Owner of S/V Apparition
Anybody own or know the owner of Apparition currently on the hard at Harbor Island Marina in Solomons MD? I think it is probably a 30 or 32. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale.
There’s some potential there, at that price — but looks like she’s in really rough shape. Definitely a project boat for someone. Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 7, 2014, at 12:36 PM, davidrisch75 davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: Gen 1 40... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Curtis Date:04/07/2014 1:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale. http://gulfport.craigslist.org/boa/4403571186.html ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale.
A Crusader, I believe. It looks almost derelict. I don't wonder there are no interior shots! Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:36 PM, davidrisch75 davidrisc...@msn.com wrote: Gen 1 40... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Curtis Date:04/07/2014 1:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale. http://gulfport.craigslist.org/boa/4403571186.html -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale.
Yeah, might be a Crusader. Looks a lot like one that was in Mandeville a while back. If so, I replaced an upper shroud on it a few years ago. Guy let it crash against the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway in a breeze. Shroud rubbed on the bridge concrete. From what I remember, the chain plates were aluminum and looked deteriorated. Don't remember looking below. Have faint negative inkling about it. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 mandeville, LA On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Curtis cpt.b...@gmail.com wrote: http://gulfport.craigslist.org/boa/4403571186.html -- All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake up in the day to find it was vanity, but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,for they may act their dreams with open eyes, to make it possible. T. E. Lawrence . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale.
Probably full of raccoons… :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 7, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I don't wonder there are no interior shots! ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List 34 for sale
Looks better than the 40! http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/4408261103.html -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 34 for sale
FROM THE CRAIG'S LIST ADD. First picture is of a sister boat, but Talisman is almost identical. MY SISTER DOES NOT LOOK ANYTHING LIKE ME. Ed CC 34 Briar Patch New Orleans From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 1:59 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List 34 for sale Looks better than the 40! http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/4408261103.html -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale.
Is it in Toronto? ;-) On 7 April 2014 15:46, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: Probably full of raccoons... :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 7, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I don't wonder there are no interior shots! ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Here is a 40 for sale.
Touche! Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Ken Heaton kenhea...@gmail.com wrote: Is it in Toronto? ;-) On 7 April 2014 15:46, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote: Probably full of raccoons... :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On Apr 7, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Burton a.burton.sai...@gmail.com wrote: I don't wonder there are no interior shots! ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 34 for sale
Ed, And no one is happier about that than your sister! No idea why they could not take a picture of their own boat these days. Joel On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Ed Levert elev...@grayinsco.com wrote: FROM THE CRAIG'S LIST ADD. First picture is of a sister boat, but Talisman is almost identical. MY SISTER DOES NOT LOOK ANYTHING LIKE ME. Ed CC 34 Briar Patch New Orleans *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 1:59 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List 34 for sale Looks better than the 40! http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/4408261103.html -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wildlife
Cool. Don't they have tequila in Canada? you wrote: I was merely trying to illustrate how wildlife starved we are here in Toronto. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List repower project on CC 34
Sean, Sounds like a big job! Best of luck! Let us know how it goes. I have a 3gm30F in my 35. Still purrs like a kitten! Joel On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:44 AM, conner.s...@comcast.net wrote: Hello - Been a member of this digest since late 90's, but haven't had time to monitor the board very often.I decided to take on a big project and finally replace the trusty old 2QM20 in my 1979 CC34 with a (new to me) yanmar 3GM30F. Will try and share info as I go, but the first (daunting) task appears to be getting the old 2QM out of the boat. Looks like I will need to disassemble most of it so it squeezes through the cut out behind the companionway stairs.So if anyone has done this project, I would love to hear about your experience. Also, if anyone has installed a 3GM30, especially in a 34, would love to compare notes. The footprint of the 3GM is a bit shorter on all sides, so in order to reuse the brackets from the 3GM, I may need to add thickness to the engine bed rails/risers. The good news appears to be the 34's engine bed area is designed with a slop (higher fwd at 13 and shorter in stern at 5) so that the shaft will align nicely once the 3GM is fitted. Thanks again.. happy to be back perusing this digest.. Sean Conner LADYHAWKE - 1979 CC 34 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List 34 for sale
Roger that. But she's still my sister... you wrote: MY SISTER DOES NOT LOOK ANYTHING LIKE ME. - ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Fuel system
Well spring is definitely in the air even though there is still 2 feet of snow around the boat. This week end I decide to remove the fuel tank to clean it. All I can say what a major job. Well with the tank nice and clean it was time to tackle the filters. The fuel lift pump and filter were very loose, probably could have turned the bolts without the ratchet. Now the question when I replace the pump and filter can I use some type of thread lock. If so any recommendations. Also I’ve always had trouble keeping the banjo fittings tight at the pump and filter. Anyone else experience this and how did you over come it. The engine is a 3HMF. Thanks Mike S/V Persuasion CC 37 Keel/CB Long Sault___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wildlife
It's illegal to sell tequila to raccoons in Canada. Plus they don't have any money. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 7 April 2014 13:50, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: Cool. Don't they have tequila in Canada? you wrote: I was merely trying to illustrate how wildlife starved we are here in Toronto. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Fuel system
I use the copper crush washers once. They are cheap like dirt, just use a new one every time you reassemble it. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 7 April 2014 15:58, Persuasion persuasio...@gmail.com wrote: Well spring is definitely in the air even though there is still 2 feet of snow around the boat. This week end I decide to remove the fuel tank to clean it. All I can say what a major job. Well with the tank nice and clean it was time to tackle the filters. The fuel lift pump and filter were very loose, probably could have turned the bolts without the ratchet. Now the question when I replace the pump and filter can I use some type of thread lock. If so any recommendations. Also I've always had trouble keeping the banjo fittings tight at the pump and filter. Anyone else experience this and how did you over come it. The engine is a 3HMF. Thanks Mike S/V Persuasion CC 37 Keel/CB Long Sault ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List wildlife
Toronto Racoons have great quantities of liquid assets. No need to sell to them. They own us. Don On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Jim Watts paradigmat...@gmail.com wrote: It's illegal to sell tequila to raccoons in Canada. Plus they don't have any money. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 7 April 2014 13:50, Wally Bryant w...@wbryant.com wrote: Cool. Don't they have tequila in Canada? you wrote: I was merely trying to illustrate how wildlife starved we are here in Toronto. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List a bargain.....maybe maybe not cc 40
depends on if a newport 41 or redline 41 or crusader model newports most of them had balsa core in hull ..might be delamanation below waterline, fixable but lot of work..latter two models no balsa core in hullif hull still true in shape ..not difficult to redo...great sailing hullsyou are buying for cost of engine winches.would want to be sure not been sunk in salt water ,makes lot more work if has been sunkam considering purchasing...if enough info can be obtained before flying down ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List LF38 rudder post grease fitting
Anybody know if the LF38 has a grease fitting on the rudder post, and if so, where it is? Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
