Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Curtis via CnC-List]

Here is the bottom of my 1980 C&C30MK1 HIN # 675

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On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:57 PM, Michael Brown via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Interesting that you mention the ~ 1976 redesign of the rudder. I have
> looked
> at various rudders from I think a 1972, 1976 and 1980, as well as pictures
> of
> the rudders on C&C 30 for sale. They have looked basically the same, the
> swept back scimitar shape.
>
> What does the high aspect ratio rudder look like? Does anyone have a
> picture of
> one? The redesign was mentioned in a few articles including from the cnc
> archive.
>
> Michael Brown
> Windburn
> C&C 30-1
>
>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:00:17 -0700
> From: "Ron and Sharon" 
> To: 
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design
> Message-ID: <26A18C5D391F41D48D524CF2A77D073A@Olson>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Good morning,
> This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing
> experiece; mostly on Petersons.
> I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older C&C 30 mk1's
> (1973-75).
> There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000.
> They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel
> engines.
> My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped).
> Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy
> air?
> How is it for steering when backing into a marina?
> I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent
> 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet.
> Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later
> one?
> I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me.
>
> Thanks for any replies.
>
> Ron
> Nanaimo, BC, Canada
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Interesting that you mention the ~ 1976 redesign of the rudder. I have looked
at various rudders from I think a 1972, 1976 and 1980, as well as pictures of
the rudders on C&C 30 for sale. They have looked basically the same, the
swept back scimitar shape.

What does the high aspect ratio rudder look like? Does anyone have a picture of
one? The redesign was mentioned in a few articles including from the cnc 
archive.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:00:17 -0700 
From: "Ron and Sharon"  
To:  
Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design 
Message-ID: <26A18C5D391F41D48D524CF2A77D073A@Olson> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 
 
Good morning, 
This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; 
mostly on Petersons. 
I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older C&C 30 mk1's 
(1973-75). 
There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000. 
They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel 
engines. 
My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped). 
Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air? 
How is it for steering when backing into a marina? 
I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 
mk1 for sale in my area yet. 
Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one? 
I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me. 
 
Thanks for any replies. 
 
Ron 
Nanaimo, BC, Canada 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Don Wagner via CnC-List]

Ron
I  purchased a C&C 30 MK in 1972 ( 1973 model, hull # 100) . Raced her until 
1986 when I bought a C&C 41 CB
We won a lot of races on the Chesapeake with her, She is essentially a CCA 
design and we sailed with a 170% genoa
She is a very stiff boat with the 170 and even stiffer with the 155% genoas in 
use with PHRF today
The scimitar rudder worked fine in all kinds of light air or heavy breezes.  
rarely had to reef.
The only problem I had with the tiller rudder was when backing up. Since the 
design is unbalanced, and the rudder had no hard stops,
I had to back up lowly, adjusting the rudder only a few degrees. otherwise the 
loads on the tiller arm would become huge, yank the tiller out of my hand, and 
knock me on my butt.
While I never installed rudder stops, I was afraid the if I did a serious 
mishap might break the rudder or the tiller.

You  may also note that the rudder post is very far aft, and needs to be 
rotated maybe 45 degrees or more to get out of the way, if you need it to clear 
the transom, say with a ladder or get near sea wall. 
No big deal, but you do need to remember it.
I found it to be well built, east to sail, low maintenance, and a great boat 
for racing or cruising with 4 – 5 crew.
Don Wagner
C&C 41 CB
Der Baron
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

My boat is a big version of the old C&C 30. I have noticed no issues in reverse 
with my rudder. I rarely use my tiller, so I can’t really tell you about that. 
I used to use the tiller in the rain so I could sit under the dodger, but then 
I got an autopilot. Like any boat, if the helm is a wrestling match you need 
some sail trim or sail reduction.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron and 
Sharon via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

 

Good morning,

This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; 
mostly on Petersons.

I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older C&C 30 mk1's 
(1973-75).

There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000.

They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel 
engines.

My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped).

Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air?

How is it for steering when backing into a marina?

I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 
mk1 for sale in my area yet.

Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one?

I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me.

 

Thanks for any replies.

 

Ron

Nanaimo, BC, Canada

 

 

 

 

 




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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Don Wagner via CnC-List]

From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

My boat is a big version of the old C&C 30. I have noticed no issues in reverse 
with my rudder. I rarely use my tiller, so I can’t really tell you about that. 
I used to use the tiller in the rain so I could sit under the dodger, but then 
I got an autopilot. Like any boat, if the helm is a wrestling match you need 
some sail trim or sail reduction.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron and 
Sharon via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

 

Good morning,

This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; 
mostly on Petersons.

I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older C&C 30 mk1's 
(1973-75).

There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000.

They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel 
engines.

My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped).

Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air?

How is it for steering when backing into a marina?

I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 
mk1 for sale in my area yet.

Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one?

I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me.

 

Thanks for any replies.

 

Ron

Nanaimo, BC, Canada

 

 

 

 

 




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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Antoine Rose via CnC-List]

Hi Ron,
I have a C&C 30 1973 (hull built in 1972) with that exact rudder.
Yes, there are some weather helm, especially on a reach with a tiller.
When I purchased the boat in 2000, I noted that an earlier owner bolted a piece 
of wood in front of the rudder to increase the compensation by adding surface 
forward.
Interestingly, when I hauled out the boat in Collins Bay Marina (Lake Ontario), 
the guys there noted the piece of wood and told me that it was the same as on
the boat hull number one, which was originally owned by Georges Hinterholler, 
the architect of this boat. Hull number was in Collins Bay back in 2000.
Georges added this piece to correct a flaw in the rudder design. Later on, I 
removed the piece of wood because it was rotting slowly
and was also a major source of water infiltration in the rudder.
I shaped a piece of high density styrofoam (used for insulation under house 
foundation floors) and glued it to the forefront of the rudder.
Using various sanders (belt, oscillating and hand) I shaped it to match the 
shape of the rudder and then fiberglassed over with two layers of cloth. I 
finished
it with interprotect over the rudder. In the end, it added about two inches to 
the fore front and reduced noticeably the weather helm.
Not a difficult job if you're handy a bit. Since this rudder has crossed the 
Atlantic ocean twice, I'm not worried about structural integrity.
Wonderful boat, capable of going far, safely.
Points to check:
- Early mast steps needed repair because of rot
- Boom may still be at 5'6". It can be raised with no big problem, meaning the 
boom needs to be shortened. Of course, if you do that the main won't fit 
anymore.
So, plan this for next replacement of the main.
- Later model had a split backstay and earlier had it in the center. It's hard 
to tension the stay properly without observing the stern distorting.
It's easy to shift to a split back stay eventually.
- Check carefully the lamination of the aft starboard bulkhead, in front of the 
stove.
These bulkhead were protected by a white plastics that didn't bonded well to 
fiberglass.

Fair winds
Antoine (C&C 30 Cousin)


Le 2014-06-11 à 13:00, Ron and Sharon via CnC-List a écrit :

> Good morning,
> This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; 
> mostly on Petersons.
> I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older C&C 30 mk1's 
> (1973-75).
> There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000.
> They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel 
> engines.
> My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped).
> Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air?
> How is it for steering when backing into a marina?
> I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 
> 1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet.
> Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one?
> I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me.
>  
> Thanks for any replies.
>  
> Ron
> Nanaimo, BC, Canada
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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Re: Stus-List Windows

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Tooth paste works.

-Original Message-
From: "Charlie Nelson via CnC-List" 
Sent: ‎2014-‎06-‎11 12:41 PM
To: "colt...@verizon.net" ; "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
; "bstrat...@falconnect.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows

My windows don't leak but they are significantly 'crazed' (?) so that they 
admit light but it is very diffused--something like the light you might get
thru a shower door.
 
Is there a solution to cleaning them up, short of replacement, with some kind 
of chemical or rubbing compound?
 
Charlie Nelson
C&C 36 XL/kcb


cenel...@aol.com




-Original Message-
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: 'Burt Stratton' ; cnc-list 
Sent: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 11:38 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows


http://www.selectplastics.com/
 
Or McMaster Carr, use Cast Acrylic.
 
Or Tempered Glass!
 
Bill Coleman
C&C 39
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt 
Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Windows
 
Hi
 
All the hatches and windows in my 1974 33 foot ¾ tonner are in need of 
replacement. All are smoked plexiglass. It looks like they would be easy to 
fabricate using the old ones as a template. Is that a reasonable assumption or 
would it be smarter to just try to find the parts and order them? Also, the bow 
lights look like the colored film (red and green) may need to be replaced.
 
I have owned this boat now for about an hour so this is truly my first rodeo. 
Just wondering if there are sources for parts for these hulls. 
 
Thanks,
Skip
 
1974 C&C 33 ¾ tonner
Narragansett Bay
Portsmouth, RI
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My boat is a big version of the old C&C 30. I have noticed no issues in reverse 
with my rudder. I rarely use my tiller, so I can't really tell you about that. 
I used to use the tiller in the rain so I could sit under the dodger, but then 
I got an autopilot. Like any boat, if the helm is a wrestling match you need 
some sail trim or sail reduction.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron and 
Sharon via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

Good morning,
This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; 
mostly on Petersons.
I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older C&C 30 mk1's 
(1973-75).
There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000.
They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel 
engines.
My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped).
Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air?
How is it for steering when backing into a marina?
I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 
mk1 for sale in my area yet.
Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one?
I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me.

Thanks for any replies.

Ron
Nanaimo, BC, Canada





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Re: Stus-List Windows

[Alan Bergen via CnC-List]

Welcome to the list, Burt, and congratulations on your new boat. There's 
information about window replacement on the web site cncphotoalbum.com, under 
the heading "Do it yourself." You can make your own. I used 9mm, #126 bronze 
cast acrylic. (Plexiglass is a brand name.) Cast is stronger than extruded. You 
should be able to find a source near you. A router with a pattern bit makes the 
job easy. 

Alan Bergen 
35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 
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Re: Stus-List Windows

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Skip,

Welcome to C&C ownership and the list.

I recently had Hammerhead Marine refirb Calypso's deck hatches.  The two 
original Atkins and Hoyle hatches plus one A&H 36"x36" foredeck hatch (added in 
the early 80's) came back looking almost new.  If you are thinking DIY, the cnc 
list archives have many posts regarding the process of replacing the acrylic 
and seals.

Are your side windows bolted/screwed or bonded to the outside of the cabin or 
mounted in a frame?

Calypso had the original framed side windows replaced by thicker acrylic, 
through bolted to the cabin side decades ago.  We resealed them in 1999, then 
again recently.  The recent project included removing any chance of balsa core 
contact by over drilling the mounting holes and filling with epoxy.  We did use 
the old window as a pattern.  There are a few pics of Calypso's windows in the 
cncphotoalbum photo gallery.

Regarding spare parts for the classic C&C's, there are several companies that 
specialize in C&C's including South Shore Yachts (.com).  I expect others on 
the list will have additional info. A web search under C&C parts should find a 
few specialists.

If the bow lights are original (look like eyes cut into the hull), new colored 
Plexiglas can be shaped to replace the faded ones.  Some C&Cs had light 
fixtures that are a chromed metal with a small round colored lens.  If that is 
the case and the fitting has failed (electrically and mechanically) a full 
replacement may be in order.

Many C&Cs have been converted to separate lights mounted on the bow pulpit.  
Calypso's are pulpit mounted with LED bulbs to reduce power consumption when 
racing at night.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Windows

Hi

All the hatches and windows in my 1974 33 foot ¾ tonner are in need of 
replacement. All are smoked plexiglass. It looks like they would be easy to 
fabricate using the old ones as a template. Is that a reasonable assumption or 
would it be smarter to just try to find the parts and order them? Also, the bow 
lights look like the colored film (red and green) may need to be replaced.

I have owned this boat now for about an hour so this is truly my first rodeo. 
Just wondering if there are sources for parts for these hulls.

Thanks,
Skip

1974 C&C 33 ¾ tonner
Narragansett Bay
Portsmouth, RI
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

This is the first time I've heard that the earlier 30-1's had a different 
rudder design - I have a 1980 version and the keel and rudder are shark fins. 
The scimitar does give you some weather helm when reaching in heavy air, but by 
then your rail is in the water and you should be reducing sail anyway. I have a 
friend who had an early 27 and he got tired of the helm and had a deeper rudder 
built (more modern, straight down) because he liked to blast around with the 
spinnaker up when it was blowing..

As far as backing, I haven't had issues, but I find that because of the offset 
prop and the rudder, you have to have some way on when backing or the prop walk 
and prop angle messes you up anyway. 

I usually start where there is room and run the boat backwards for a while and 
drive it like a car - facing aft and steering that way. It doesn't respond well 
to really low speed backing.

And they are fine boats, one of the stiffest that C&C ever built - perform 
well. I'm still pleased after 20 years of ownership.

Gary
#593
Maryland 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ron and Sharon via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 1:00 PM
  Subject: Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design


  Good morning,
  This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; 
mostly on Petersons.
  I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older C&C 30 mk1's 
(1973-75).
  There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000.
  They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel 
engines.
  My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped).
  Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air?
  How is it for steering when backing into a marina?
  I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 
1976-78 mk1 for sale in my area yet.
  Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one?
  I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me.

  Thanks for any replies.

  Ron
  Nanaimo, BC, Canada







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Stus-List C&C 30 mk1 rudder design

[Ron and Sharon via CnC-List]

Good morning,
This is my first entry on the cnc-list. I have 40 yrs. of sailing experiece; 
mostly on Petersons.
I am presently without a boat and have been looking at older C&C 30 mk1's 
(1973-75).
There are several for sale in my area; asking price about $16,000.
They seem to be well built and in good structural cond. Most have diesel 
engines.
My only real concern is the rudder design (swept back, scimitar shaped).
Does this design cause excessive tiller pressure when reaching in heavy air?
How is it for steering when backing into a marina?
I see that in 1976 they redesigned the rudder. I have not seen a decent 1976-78 
mk1 for sale in my area yet.
Do you think I should forget the 1973-75's and wait for a 1976 or later one?
I am looking at boats in this era because they are affordable to me.

Thanks for any replies.

Ron
Nanaimo, BC, Canada




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Re: Stus-List Windows

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

My windows don't leak but they are significantly 'crazed' (?) so that they 
admit light but it is very diffused--something like the light you might get
thru a shower door.

Is there a solution to cleaning them up, short of replacement, with some kind 
of chemical or rubbing compound?

Charlie Nelson
C&C 36 XL/kcb


cenel...@aol.com




-Original Message-
From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
To: 'Burt Stratton' ; cnc-list 
Sent: Wed, Jun 11, 2014 11:38 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Windows



http://www.selectplastics.com/
 
Or McMaster Carr, use Cast Acrylic.
 
Or Tempered Glass!
 

Bill Coleman
C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt 
Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Windows

 
Hi
 
All the hatches and windows in my 1974 33 foot ¾ tonner are in need of 
replacement. All are smoked plexiglass. It looks like they would be easy to 
fabricate using the old ones as a template. Is that a reasonable assumption or 
would it be smarter to just try to find the parts and order them? Also, the bow 
lights look like the colored film (red and green) may need to be replaced.
 
I have owned this boat now for about an hour so this is truly my first rodeo. 
Just wondering if there are sources for parts for these hulls. 
 
Thanks,
Skip
 
1974 C&C 33 ¾ tonner
Narragansett Bay
Portsmouth, RI


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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes

[Leslie Paal via CnC-List]

The primary reason is to have a 'fail safe' point on the keel stepped mast in 
case the loss of standing rigging.  If the mast was going over it would not 
open up the cabin as badly.  I agree the ventilation is a great bonus.

Leslie


On Wed, 6/11/14, Robert Abbott via CnC-List  wrote:

 Subject: Stus-List Mast Holes
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com, "David" 
 Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2014, 6:01 AM
 
 
 The mast holes were made by C&C at the factory to
 aid in
 ventilation.  There are about a dozen 1/4" holes
 on our mast, port
 side just below the mast collar..most times, you can
 feel the
 air being sucked into the holes and up the mast.  I
 would see no
 logical reason to cover these holes under normal
 circumstances.
 
 
 
 And I don't think C&C would have put them there
 if they thought
 it would impair the structural integrity of the mast in
 any manner.
 
 
 
 Tell your friend it is not a concern.
 
 
 
 Rob Abbott
 
 AZURA
 
 C&C 32 - 84
 
 Halifax, N.S.
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
 
 
 
 From:
   "CNC boat owners,
 cnc-list" 
 
   To: "David Knecht"
 ,
   "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"
 
 
   Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014
 10:02:38 PM
 
   Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:
 C&C
   question
 
   
 
   
   
 Yup
 – sure can.  They are an
 ingenious way to
 ensure good ventilation below. 
 The mast
 acts like a chimney especially
 on not days. 
 The holes suck out cabin air and
 it exits at
 the mast head.  Air gets in to
 the cabin
 through the main cabin hatch and
 engine
 vents.  Never had a problem
 with musty air
 below decks
  
 Cheers
  
  
 
   John
   and Maryann
   Legacy
   III
   1982
   C&C 34
   Noank,
   CT
 
  
 
   
 From:
 CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
 On Behalf Of David
 Knecht via
 CnC-List
 
 Sent: Monday, June
 09, 2014 9:26
 PM
 
 To: CnC CnC
 discussion list
 
 Subject: Stus-List
 Fwd: C&C
 question
   
 
  
 I got this from a friend who is
 looking for a
   new boat.  Can someone clarify
 what the holes
   are for?  Thanks- Dave
 
    
   
 
   
 Aries
   
   
 1990
 C&C 34+
   
   
 New
 London, CT
   
   
 
   
 
   
   
  
 
   Begin forwarded
 message:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   From:
   "jwstah...@comcast.net"
   
 
 
   Subject:
 C&C
 question
 
 
   Date:
   June
   

Re: Stus-List Windows

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

http://www.selectplastics.com/

 

Or McMaster Carr, use Cast Acrylic.

 

Or Tempered Glass!

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt
Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Windows

 

Hi

 

All the hatches and windows in my 1974 33 foot ¾ tonner are in need of
replacement. All are smoked plexiglass. It looks like they would be easy to
fabricate using the old ones as a template. Is that a reasonable assumption
or would it be smarter to just try to find the parts and order them? Also,
the bow lights look like the colored film (red and green) may need to be
replaced.

 

I have owned this boat now for about an hour so this is truly my first
rodeo. Just wondering if there are sources for parts for these hulls. 

 

Thanks,

Skip

 

1974 C&C 33 ¾ tonner

Narragansett Bay

Portsmouth, RI

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Stus-List Windows

[Burt Stratton via CnC-List]

Hi

 

All the hatches and windows in my 1974 33 foot ¾ tonner are in need of
replacement. All are smoked plexiglass. It looks like they would be easy to
fabricate using the old ones as a template. Is that a reasonable assumption
or would it be smarter to just try to find the parts and order them? Also,
the bow lights look like the colored film (red and green) may need to be
replaced.

 

I have owned this boat now for about an hour so this is truly my first
rodeo. Just wondering if there are sources for parts for these hulls. 

 

Thanks,

Skip

 

1974 C&C 33 ¾ tonner

Narragansett Bay

Portsmouth, RI

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Stus-List hydrophobic coatings - again

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I know there has been some talk here about the new nano-technology
concerning the water repellent which comes in a spray can, which apparently
doesn't last too long.

Looks like eventually this may actually come into the mainstream.

This would be a really slippery hull with this paint if it could repel
growth as well.

Would certainly be a fast dry sailer!

 

http://www.pfonline.com/blog/post/new-nissan-paint-is-self-cleaning

 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39

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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes...now mast wrap

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Agree on the effect of “warmth” in the main cabin. We had excess Ultra-suede 
from our new cushions project and the upholsterer took a length of it, added 
thin foam backing and velcro to close it around the mast. I mention the foam 
because a previous poster mentioned damping the sound of halyards. It didn’t 
really but it looks the bit.

As regards the holes in the mast, although I generally agree with Rob that it 
probably isn’t a structural issue I’d offer a differing opinion from an old 
friend who had a C&C dealership in the 70’s and then later went on to work for 
Forespar. He was never comfortable with all those holes. He kept urging me to 
heli-arc a formed plate over the area to stiffen it.

Best,

Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit

On Jun 11, 2014, at 9:05 AM, David via CnC-List  wrote:

> Nate,
> 
> Sorry, I meant warmth as in aesthetics...but I guess you could be right about 
> temperature-warmth too.
> 
> 
> 
> David F. Risch
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> 
> 
> From: nateflesn...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:36:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Holes...now mast wrap
> To: davidrisc...@msn.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> mast wrap warms up the cabin because it lowers heat loss? Interesting.
> Been thinking about adding one for halyard sound-muffling and aesthetics, but 
> hadn't thought about warmth.
> Warmth matters on Lake Superior...
> 
> Nate
> "Sarah Jean"
> 1980 30-1
> Siskiwit Bay Marina
> Cornucopia, WI
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:30 PM, David via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> I love the idea but I have a mast wrap that the prior owner provided.  Its 
> amazing how such a simple device can warm up the cabin.
> 
> I have other ventilation...so if you do too, I would heartily recommend a 
> mast wrap.
> 
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
> 
> 
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:13:23 +
> To: johnpr...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> Would it work better to put the holes below the floorboards, to suck air from 
> the bilge?
> 
> 
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
> 
> From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> To: "David Knecht" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> 
> Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
> 
> Yup – sure can.  They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below.  
> The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days.  The holes suck out 
> cabin air and it exits at the mast head.  Air gets in to the cabin through 
> the main cabin hatch and engine vents.  Never had a problem with musty air 
> below decks
>  
> Cheers
>  
>  
> John and Maryann
> Legacy III
> 1982 C&C 34
> Noank, CT
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David 
> Knecht via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM
> To: CnC CnC discussion list
> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
>  
> I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat.  Can someone clarify 
> what the holes are for?  Thanks- Dave
>  
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
>  
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "jwstah...@comcast.net" 
> Subject: C&C question
> Date: June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT
> To: "F5, David" 
>  
> Hi Dave,
> I've looked at 3 C&Cs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4" 
> holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port 
> side only.  The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of 
> the section.  After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good 
> reason for the holes.  Is it a way to control humidity within the section?  
> Is there another reason?  Is it something I should be concerned about?
> Thanks,
> John
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes...now mast wrap

[David via CnC-List]

Nate,

Sorry, I meant warmth as in aesthetics...but I guess you could be right about 
temperature-warmth too.



David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


From: nateflesn...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 07:36:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Stus-List Mast Holes...now mast wrap
To: davidrisc...@msn.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com

mast wrap warms up the cabin because it lowers heat loss? Interesting.Been 
thinking about adding one for halyard sound-muffling and aesthetics, but hadn't 
thought about warmth.Warmth matters on Lake Superior...


Nate"Sarah Jean"1980 30-1Siskiwit Bay MarinaCornucopia, WI

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:30 PM, David via CnC-List  
wrote:





I love the idea but I have a mast wrap that the prior owner provided.  Its 
amazing how such a simple device can warm up the cabin.

I have other ventilation...so if you do too, I would heartily recommend a mast 
wrap.



David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:13:23 +
To: johnpr...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com


Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Would it work better to put the holes below the floorboards, to suck air from 
the bilge?




Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md



From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 


To: "David Knecht" , "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 



Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question

Yup – sure can.  They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation below.  
The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days.  The holes suck out cabin 
air and it exits at the mast head.  Air gets in to the cabin through the main 
cabin hatch and engine vents.  Never had a problem with musty air below decks


 
Cheers


 
 


John and Maryann
Legacy III


1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT


 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht 
via CnC-List


Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
 
I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat.  Can someone clarify 
what the holes are for?  Thanks- Dave


 
Aries
1990 C&C 34+


New London, CT




 
Begin forwarded message:




From: "jwstah...@comcast.net" 


Subject: C&C question
Date: June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT


To: "F5, David" 


 
Hi Dave,
I've looked at 3 C&Cs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4" holes 
drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin, port side 
only.  The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the strength of the 
section.  After seeing three, however, I believe there must be a good reason 
for the holes.  Is it a way to control humidity within the section?  Is there 
another reason?  Is it something I should be concerned about?


Thanks,
John


 














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Stus-List Mast Holes

[Robert Abbott via CnC-List]

The mast holes were made by C&C at the factory to aid in ventilation.  
There are about a dozen 1/4" holes on our mast, port side just below the 
mast collar..most times, you can feel the air being sucked into the 
holes and up the mast.  I would see no logical reason to cover these 
holes under normal circumstances.


And I don't think C&C would have put them there if they thought it would 
impair the structural integrity of the mast in any manner.


Tell your friend it is not a concern.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.





*From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*To: *"David Knecht" mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>, "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM
*Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question

Yup -- sure can.  They are an ingenious way to ensure good
ventilation below.  The mast acts like a chimney especially on not
days. The holes suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head. 
Air gets in to the cabin through the main cabin hatch and engine

vents.  Never had a problem with musty air below decks

Cheers

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
] *On Behalf Of *David
Knecht via CnC-List
*Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM
*To:* CnC CnC discussion list
*Subject:* Stus-List Fwd: C&C question

I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat.  Can
someone clarify what the holes are for?  Thanks- Dave

Aries

1990 C&C 34+

New London, CT


Begin forwarded message:




*From: *"jwstah...@comcast.net "
mailto:jwstah...@comcast.net>>

*Subject: C&C question*

*Date: *June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT

*To: *"F5, David" mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>

Hi Dave,

I've looked at 3 C&Cs now, and each of them has a number (6 or
8) of 1/4" holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast
boot in the cabin, port side only.  The first time I saw this, I
was concerned about the strength of the section.  After seeing
three, however, I believe there must be a good reason for the
holes.  Is it a way to control humidity within the section?  Is
there another reason?  Is it something I should be concerned about?

Thanks,

John




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Re: Stus-List Mast Holes...now mast wrap

[Nate Flesness via CnC-List]

mast wrap warms up the cabin because it lowers heat loss? Interesting.
Been thinking about adding one for halyard sound-muffling and aesthetics,
but hadn't thought about warmth.
Warmth matters on Lake Superior...

Nate
"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Cornucopia, WI


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:30 PM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I love the idea but I have a mast wrap that the prior owner provided.  Its
> amazing how such a simple device can warm up the cabin.
>
> I have other ventilation...so if you do too, I would heartily recommend a
> mast wrap.
>
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-2
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:13:23 +
> To: johnpr...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> Would it work better to put the holes below the floorboards, to suck air
> from the bilge?
>
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
> --
> *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
> *To: *"David Knecht" , "CNC boat owners,
> cnc-list" 
> *Sent: *Monday, June 9, 2014 10:02:38 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
>
> Yup – sure can.  They are an ingenious way to ensure good ventilation
> below.  The mast acts like a chimney especially on not days.  The holes
> suck out cabin air and it exits at the mast head.  Air gets in to the cabin
> through the main cabin hatch and engine vents.  Never had a problem with
> musty air below decks
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
>
>
> John and Maryann
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C&C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David
> Knecht via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, June 09, 2014 9:26 PM
> *To:* CnC CnC discussion list
> *Subject:* Stus-List Fwd: C&C question
>
>
>
> I got this from a friend who is looking for a new boat.  Can someone
> clarify what the holes are for?  Thanks- Dave
>
>
>
> Aries
>
> 1990 C&C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
>
> *From: *"jwstah...@comcast.net" 
>
> *Subject: C&C question*
>
> *Date: *June 9, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM EDT
>
> *To: *"F5, David" 
>
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I've looked at 3 C&Cs now, and each of them has a number (6 or 8) of 1/4"
> holes drilled in the mast section just below the mast boot in the cabin,
> port side only.  The first time I saw this, I was concerned about the
> strength of the section.  After seeing three, however, I believe there must
> be a good reason for the holes.  Is it a way to control humidity within the
> section?  Is there another reason?  Is it something I should be concerned
> about?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
>
>
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